and we felt drawn to the situation we face there was a rush of adrenaline will be hard this is the moment that we have been waiting for and we abandoned classes. and we went to the brim the building with there was a meeting held and that's where everything started with people said ok well you know got to tell us when the statue is going down then we're going to occupy this building and this is the sessile road statue which is on the on the campus of the university of cape town and it was a bucket of poo that was thrown at sessile road statue. of figure this was an education process to work out what did this guy down and some university cape town students so furious about his presence there. for a lot of students i think we weren't really aware of what the legacy of sessile john rhodes actually was because it's not really something that you get taught about at high school level so if you actually pursue history into university maybe second or even third year do you really start learning about the actual rotter of

colonialism as the tweeter had said. so for me it was you know ok people are really reacting to this statue to this moment why don't i know about this what can i do to seek out this knowledge and really the only place that you could get the information was the movement and it was amazing to be part of that moment where it wasn't only as a lot of people thought it was just this like an angry bunch of students occupying buildings knocking down things you know being annoying to the staff members they were also from screenings that were held there were lectures with the black academics that were held there was information that was passed around to people and it was it was really like a separate university to the university which was amazing says well what was it about this moment why why twenty fifteen why not the two thousand why not. last year what was it about that particular town i. i think i

think you know the stars aligned in three fifty two was that. i'm fortunate to be part of the group of twenty fifteen because of a such a big symbol the removing the moving of the statue was such a big symbol that you know we had to move the statue so you have to turn fifteen is the yeah you know i don't know why it was twenty fifteen but it's twenty fifteen and that's when you know just. i want to bring this this is from who says on twitter that the impact abroad must fall brought greater attention to the existing legacy appraising colonialism in our institutions of how euro centrism sexism and capitalism still reign of how narratives toward embracing african epistemologies are still just regarded a lot there in two hundred eighty characters that she has just packed in there but break it down for us because in the play for those who do have the chance to go see

it you do explain some of the what some people might call microaggression that happened to students whether they actually happen to you or your characters or other people you know help us explain for our audience who's watching at home right now what some of those microaggression is are what some of that colonialism looks like for a day to day average student i mean it's it's an understanding that we live in a country that has a majority of black people and we go to university with firstly we can't afford to stage a cation so majority of poor people in south africa black people and already there is. there's a. devide something is stopping you from pursuing that education so from from the entrance already there's an issue then there comes the issue of the material that we're learning the material did not reflect us we constantly have to change ourselves to fit into euro centric ideas of what the actress looked like you know issues with the way we spoke we have eleven different languages in south

africa that come with eleven different and even more different accents but our intelligence and our ability to to apply ourselves in class was closely linked to the way we expressed ourselves our history was also not considered when we were doing tasks in class so students who were privileged who had the schools with the libraries we had the parents with the money who could take them around the world and show them you know historical places were ahead immediately and students like us who came from a less advantaged background. were constantly playing catch up and basic racism. it was a lot to handle that we didn't quite understand. country in a black majority country and a majority rival sort of the fury and the passion was there we rooted around see if we can find some new scripts from twenty fifteen or a couple years ago we found three students and they had two very different opinions so we want to play those two clips for our audience and have a listen have

a look and as you can comment on them. i don't feel that you can look at these people only as colonialists all racists a lot of these people. on the statues at least have contributed to would have cost of south africa and the regular if it is positive or negative this is south africa this is always history our history should be remembered as it is the statue symbolizes so much of a destructive violent history and we're here to tell management and the greatest south africa that would tie it is students we like tired of this we're tired of being told transformational happen so we want it to happen now not in five years not another talk now is the time. so you had two contrasting opinions you had a white south african who didn't see what the issue was with the statue then you have black south africans is ok now it's time at the same university can you explain how those two co-exist. with great difficulty i think is probably the

easiest answer the issue with the south african education system really is that it is comp. segregated in the sense that the predominantly rich white kids will go to high schools and primary schools where you can afford to be nonchalant about things where it's not as much of a struggle you've got easy access to books reading materials the the windows of the school are broken whereas you have majority black and of color students who go to these kinds of high schools and primary schools which are dilapidated so when you get past that matric level you then go into the same institution which causes these like rifts and differences of opinions which really are university level should be a good thing but for me at least a difference of opinion your opinion shouldn't be that my livelihood is less important than yours or black rooted and bigotry which is what the civil john road

statue is. when that movement started i remember i was. i was on the fence about the removal of the statue and i'm from a black school so you know what what thank you so in a mirror talking about and i'm talking about my school what when they talk about the fact that you you always have to work two times harder i have you know. i wasn't taught. metz in english i wasn't taught physics in english i was taught in my mother my mother tongue so coming to the city i had to catch up so when when the movement started what got me was that this statue is is just a symbol of what needs to fall in the university and it shows you that. that white people will kill. you and they will be celebrated for it and that's the truth that's what that's those who represented and i have to walk past this but

it's just the statue and that's a symbol that will remove everything and that's what. i'm going to put that in a. context that sounds incredibly revolutionary about how you describe. in the context of the colonialism that happened to south africa white people will accept. you see it in america today as well i mean the fact that christopher columbus has an entire holiday that celebrates him where is actually his legacy is of the murder. of native american people and that's i mean that happens with these glorious white men of history in every single country in the world south africa was just happened to be a very important moment in time for us and i think that we can also discount the black lives matter movement because i think that if b.l.m. hadn't happened in the u.s. that roads must form might not have happened in south africa that's that that's

a big connection oh we are talking about up about a production called the four i want you see a little excerpt from it and i'm going to pick up on the production where the students have just occupied the brand administration building on the university of cape town's campus and now they discuss in a way forward with regards to the roads must for movement in the penry of all of the students who were at the first protests so here to perform a scene from the four clear overact is. so. this movement belongs to all of us it belongs to a whole lot of groups involved with transformation at the university like the trans collective non-binary i mean that in the black monday the black academics caucus the workers' union the s.r.c. i mean that too when our comrade c'mon e through human excrement on the stats you of roads he was at

a loss for words about how crap it is for university students at this university in fact throwing some poor in the statue was a one hundred percent articulate it's amazing really how so many people got late about some statue but some very hard work was going on around transformation long before he did that. we need to talk about the statue hand i'm a little confused doesn't management want the statue to be taken down i mean i'm just following due process process. in my sister we all know the history of law he starts on our campus climatized us that men never wanted us here. still john rome's. i learned about him in my second year african history course it

was then that i realize that the history we were learning was not the history of africa but rather the history of how britain and the western powers stole africa and covered it up into little countries with people like livingston little pulled and rolled featuring as heroes you see rose didn't only wrap up the kimberley diamond mines for himself or a couple of his buddies thank you very much he was an arc imperialist who believed one hundred percent in the supreme of the english phrase you know all i learned about africans was how weak we were weak in weaponry trouble including how we had to be civilized by the great christian nations i mean what kind of history is that and they say he donated this land to the university but whose land was it to begin with. guys thank you so much you know several what is

it like when you are taking elements of your life sitting on stage for everybody to look into to critique thinking that this character is you what's that like so one thing the art does is that it gives you an opportunity to reflect society on itself and the other tools that we were taught in vassar to you know how to create drama how to create how to facilitate the conversation and conversations that are necessarily easy to be had outside of the black box space so when we created the show we were looking to represent as many people as we cared that we saw within the movement you know so my character who represents the sport of letting guy who comes into university thinking that ok i'm working so hard and i can easily be filtered into the cricket system but there's a quarter in the cricket sports where there's a limited amount of black people that can play for the national team or the first

team right so that also creating and reflecting the movement and solve reflecting society on itself and how it treated the movement gave people a key into understanding why the students were so angry what was happening so like i mean what we're seeing on the desk is not these hooligans that are this thought that goes into a plan of the store that goes into what management sees that the conflict that that management gave the students it's not like the students just went ok we going to produce we're going to throw poor is that there was conversations that will facilitate really climb out we release our own and a lot of that yes you know and we wonder about you another monologue and everybody staring daggers at me. thank you thank you and what we shared a minute i love or a belief out there and i think it resonate here in this tweet this is rank and file . south african that's their handle they write i think such productions are important in absence of literature because they document the complexity that

characterize the movement they operate as a dynamic historical archive one other person writes in really strong words here our producers and i love this tweet and post he says the cast of the fall is absolutely spectacular i was there when road spell and the way they articulate what happened is remarkably accurate all the characters represented what we saw i'm so proud of them i saw it in d.c. far away from home and i literally felt the chains of colonialism fall off of me all over again it was the spiritual performance and experience so as i'm reading the audience for those of you at home i wish you could have seen through a space that you were you got a look at this in wonderment which is how i think that this person saw your production the chains of colonialism fall off of this verse and what do you make of some of the reactions you've gotten from audience members who. you know it's different performing at home and performing because when you perform at home

you perform for people who are the people who are seeing themselves people who are remembering things that they probably you know. forgot so. it's very refreshing performing for its innocent audiences and seeing how issues resonate and how how similar we really and that at the end of the day. we all just want to be treated like humans who are just going to be treated equally you know that resonates across the world. i'm going to show our audience some pictures that you shared with us so so that they can see that not only are you performing this that you list this as well i march because africa is all i have in europe is not an option for me look at that face there's no acting going on there but do you remember how you felt i do i was excited i knew that change was going to happen and it was time. i

get goosebumps citizen i'm going. to hear. this one i mean this this these are protests photographs i mean they really are that that happened kind of by accident so i accidentally ended up leading the march from fees for fees must fall from hitting campus to parliament because i was on the student council on for the performers on hitting campus and we realized. the police were stopping the jamming shuttles to allow students to get from upper campus to hitting so they were trying to stop the protest before it even happened and we got three drama students who had cars on campus to form a barricade of cars so that the students who were on hitting with us could march up the highway stop traffic get the students off the jammies and go to parliament and so that kind of accidentally got on top of a jeep. to move people around my mom was very unimpressive. so all of you i want to

share this comment from joshua graves a student at the university of maryland baltimore county and this is what he told the story. i just want to share three main points really quickly the first is that i want to congratulate the cast and creators of this amazing play because they were able to them by nice only concepts and ideas and conventions so well that they were able to really tell of a hearts of all the audience members in this now moves on to my second point that they were able to make me cry through their emotions through their through their use of pathans to their their embodiment of their character and i think that character development is something that was very much in for science in this plan i think that it was well executed now moving on to my third point which is that this play was amusing for conversation starters it sparked up a conversation and a very important i think that i'm gage in so many conversations that were very impactful and powerful in meaningful and i think that i heard so many around me

that were like what. give me a little taste of what joshua experience when he went to see the four i want to show you another excerpt perform life here on the strain so where we in the production the statue of royals is being removed from the university grounds and that's a people arrive to see the monument being taken down to perform one more time it's a cast of the force of the whole world. to come out. at last the crane lifts the statue and there's a cast from the crowd everything slows down the road is suspended in the air and then he swings a few inches above the plane like his not sure if he should get off or not it's

like his ghost is fighting back trying to make him topple over and curse our black bodies the one more time but then his core. he is finally gone i feel as of our land has just waved in a giant of relief a space to breathe at last. as that statue lands on the flip it struck i see the look of our face and so i jump on the truck and i give him six lessons so with my belt. yeah. rolls for all.

the world on. his is suspended in the air and continues to wash over us like a salty healing the way. pull mild has finally arrived the earth shakes and crumble i hear oh mom died or joy or two or seen gretsch at their coffins from underground i hear the clinking crack and push of the metal gate if i hear the slaves who didn't arrive in the singing on the mendi i hear i am gone now from across the atlantic but told the people around me reprimanded be excited crowd the world foaming at the mouth i hear the ruth pull between prong that.

thing is brooding yellow with us and solomon's garden is growing. i hear the cameras as i hear eric garner across the atlantic that's just a reminder that eric garner was an african-american man killed by police in new york in twenty fourteen his last words were i can't breathe which became a rallying cry seeking justice for his death the roads must for movement was fueled by armrest in other parts of the world and in turn impassioned a motivated marginalized people worldwide to push against injustice we're going to have a part two of this show we're going to bring back the cost of the fall and then we'll talk about the impact of the rose must for movement around the world and beyond

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condemn the saudi arabia is committed to the vision that our leaders have put forth for us in terms of vision twenty thirty and in terms of moving along the path of reform meanwhile senators in the us are calling for an inquiry into the saudi crown prince's rolled the shoulders murder politicians on both sides of the house were angered by president trump statement on tuesday that would be no further action against riyadh the cia is understood to believe that a short g.'s death was ordered that directly by the crown prince but trump on wednesday repeated his backing for saudi arabia in a tweet praising the kingdom's rolling keeping oil prices their own oil prices getting lower he tweeted great like a big tax cut for america and the world enjoy fifty four dollars was just eighty two thank you to saudi arabia but let's go lower. well the editor of the washington post says the now strums decision not to take any further action against riyadh over the murder i showed you was

a regular cola mist for the paper i was astonished even after two years of kind of astonishing and dismaying things from this president this one was is really almost beyond belief and it's wrong on so many levels. i mean of course it's wrong to excuse the murder of. journalist. any human being which is doing but even on a strategic basis you know i mean he seems to see it as well we can't worry about things like morality and human rights because we need saudi arabia. the u.s. defense minister says saudi arabia in the united arab emirates have seized offensive operations around yemen's vital port city of of ada the u.n. special envoy to yemen met who the leaders in the capital sanaa martin griffiths has been discussing peace talks to take place in sweden early next month the iran backed rebels announced this week that they were ready for

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government in rome refused to change it the commission says italy's draft budget raises structural deficits while failing to tackle the country's huge amount of public debt but italian deputy prime minister marcos of eeny says he will not back down and has called any possible sanctions against rogue disrespectful towards its citizens. but that's a from brussels has arrived i was expecting one from some to close as well we will respond politely as we always did but i will not back down. hundreds more central american migrants have arrived in tijuana join the thousands that have already gathered near the mexican border with the united states a u.s. judge has blocked president donald trump's order to ban people from seeking asylum if they enter the country illegally well those are the headlines i'm going to have more news for you in half an hour stay with al-jazeera coming up next it's witness the opposition thanks for watching or by.

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