committee all going to them to be found and to investigate this matter all of the show the sensitivity shown by the international community why is this important it is important because there are a number of questions still waiting to be answered and we have not been able to receive the answers to those questions from now on we will continue. cooperation with all international players including saudi arabia and we are determined to continue our own investigation until all matters are fully in satisfactorily investigated. a moment ago you talk about exception. discussions. however the way the exception progress is going at the moment because as this appointment to the turkish people have you ever carried out any self-criticism as to

what mistakes you may have made towards turkey in in the in relation to the turkey's accession to the e.u. . in relation to the exception. turkey has been criticized but. i'm wondering where the e.u. has. carried out some criticism to see if. he should could have should have acted in a different way moment you like to say to the tax people nation to exception. of turkey where four counts of conclusions and the consequent delusions are very clear saying that for the time being. no further chip the should and. this is sort of the deceit duration we are facing and the reasons for that are well

known but the understand is always and you are damn fools of but turkey. with s. this issue and if this is the case and some other issues are also followed up in particular. so there's a the attempts to to reengage in so there's a better relationship with many european countries i think this might be off in the future and i don't want to predict anything but this is the situation as it is sent but as you know in live situation can change in one of the other their action. but once again i think and this is my point again and again and some people who know me quite well consider me to be a very pragmatic but me is a. very pragmatic but based on the way you pace the foundation we

should always follow up on things which immediately realistic which are achievable and that's why we should not lose wishless out of our eyes but we should concentrate on the areas where. concrete is alts. the main areas we have touched the day this is security cooperation this is. this is some and that she so many environment not to forget and all this can contribute to further. even if you're joining us on al-jazeera we're watching a news conference out of ankara turkey capital with that turkey's foreign minister the e.u. foreign policy chief and also the e.u.'s lodgment commissioner talking about turkey's a session to the european union this is the first high level meeting between the two sides in nearly two years as expected the questions from journalists gathered

there focusing first on the. investigation and the call by saudi arabia for turkey to release all the evidence it has in the murder of the journalists who you'll recall was killed inside the saudi consulate in istanbul on october second. the turkish foreign minister members kushal saying that they were happy to cooperate with saudi arabia on this but they had already made sure that everyone involved in this case had access to the information he also highlighted the discrepancies and the contradictions in the saudi investigation into show deeds murder and said that he was surprised that the saudis would ask for cooperation at this stage. when day the saudis hadn't really corporator with turkey in the investigation. the e.u. foreign policy chief for her part said that the e.u. is calling for a complete and transparent credible investigation into jamal khashoggi is murder

that they haven't seen yet and that they want accountability in this case let's bring in mohammed who is in istanbul for us outside the saudi consulate in the turkish city we were expecting of course the turkish foreign minister to respond to the saudi foreign minister comes forward with all the evidence it has in the murder why did you make of what we heard from the turkish foreign minister as far as what turkey's next step will be in this investigation. right for the i think the the terms not to use the words that are used are very strong and indicate. a situation of anger here in turkey to words the saudi arabian approach to this problem he mentioned for instance the contradictions and he mentioned that he doesn't understand how the saudis understand the idea of cooperation on this file because any time they sent someone here the delegations

they sent to cooperate and the time they sent them the saudis asked for information from the turks attacks give the information that the saudis have asked for but in return the saudis don't give any information or clues and they don't answer to any questions so he is clearly saying that the two sides are not on the same page with regard to this investigation they have to unify their understanding of the investigation so that they can be there can be an approach of give and take between the two countries and he said very clearly unhappy frustrated with the saudis and he thinks that if the saudis continue to do that turkey will take its own approach it will never stop this investigation and it will seek a new ways to continue it via. cooperation from other countries like opinion like other countries of the u.n. there is also talk about possible possible request he said we received demands that we should take this to the you aren't possible request to the u.n. to open an international inquiry about this matter. mohammed we're hearing from

turkish media this hour they're reporting that the cia has evidence linking saddam arabia's crown prince mohammed bin solomon to the killing of jamal khashoggi a columnist for the who are a newspaper has written that mohammed bin soundman instructed his brother the ambassador to the u.s. to sign an instrument as soon as possible and this conversation was reportedly captured in a wiretapped phone calls so this information mohammed being released once again in turkey by turkey presumably what does it say about all the evidence that turkey has it feels like they have more and that they're just feeding it every time they're not happy with what the saudis are saying. right fully it's not something that has been released by turkey it's something that has been talked about during the last several weeks and it was talked about first

in the u.s. by the cia so the cia reportedly talked about a recording in which conference mohammed was the man was caught talking in to his brother who is the boss of that washington and the two men discussing what to do with. and happy with him obviously and the crown prince saying that he should be silenced are soon as possible so here in reaction to the transposition i think turkish newspapers have taken this and knew this point and you and they have revived interest and revived the memory about what the cia said before and they said and the question here turkey according to the columnist is why this particular point has not been highlighted and why if it is included in the cia report why this report has not been made public so that so that the public in the u.s. and also international public knows the truth that indeed the crown prince mohammed

the same man gave the order to kill. so that's interesting just to clarify it's not really new information that the turks are releasing it as you said this information was stand only that it's coming to light now. yes the turks now they are in reaction to the term position they are reminding the public both here and across the world but they have their facts that have been talked about by the cia and those facts are being suppressed now because the u.s. administration is not willing to allow the cia report to be made public so the demand here in turkey why they are saying this again they remind us that the truth is being suppressed in the united states and that there is a need to release this truth and to make to declassify those reports included in the cia report that has been handed to president trump so that the truth comes out ok mohamed thank you very much stand by i'm going to bring in marwan now who is the

director of policy and analysis at the arab center for research and policy studies he's here in the studio with me what do you make of this smoking gun that's being reported by the turkish newspaper hoary at that apparently was known has been known for a while but that the americans chose not to bring forward or maybe this is the case. but i think everything would be bent on the position of the u.s. president broad probably because we all know by the report of the cia which has been leaked to the media last week that the home of this woman was somehow responsible for doubt. nevertheless actually president trump is still adamant that he will keep his alliance has a relationship with saudi arabia that actually disappointed the turks very much to a key despite the reports saying apparently that there was

a phone conversation between the crown prince and his brother the ambassador to washington a phone conversation in which he talked about silencing jamal khashoggi i think the president the u.s. president he does have all the information right now from the cia and the report which was presented to the president actually must have included all the information that the cia. on in order to come to that conclusion right so and despite that we have seen presidents from. ignoring all the hype and seeing that he cannot actually sacrifice his relationship with saudi arabia as i said i mean this is a very big it is a boy for the turks this is why the turks now are trying to find a new venue is in order to carry on with this because they cannot actually have this die without actually coming to the point where they believe actually is first of all to uncover the truth about the whole issue because the they still think that this is an act of aggression on their sovereignty a breach of their sovereignty on one hand on the other hand i think the turks are

trying to come to the point where they can keep the pressure on the united states administration saw that the administration might at some point in the future shift the policy towards saudi arabia or actually of the final conclusion would be having the sort of change is hoping to have from actually pursuing this approach considering it you say the turks are disappointed in the americans they are and donald trump still two days ago not to all of the americans because we're still going there is a division. in the next year or so they're turning to other venue's now and presumably that would be europe we saw them all greeny and the turkish foreign minister in correct today they're supposed to be talking about a session but no doubt that the affair will come up. saying that they want a complete and transparent credible investigation that they haven't seen yet into

matter can the turks count on the europeans to put pressure on saudi arabia do they have the same amount of leverage on the saudis that the americans have in fact the europeans they don't. because we all know i mean the special relationship is in fact between saudi arabia and the largest u.s. but nevertheless i think they will be as the. to put some thought to avoid actually put the sort of pressure on the saudis. because we have seen for example the germans we have seen in other countries maybe to a lesser extent france the u.k. taking their house. was thinking of tough position because they halted all sorts of what. arms deals are going to saudi arabia so the turks although actually the americas of the major party to this issue they are they will be trying . through the european may be as. foreign minister said

to you might even go to the united nations. for an international. investigation into that with that of her shortly so there will be do they will be doing all it takes i mean that is how it goes on the position on this case in order to come to the conclusion that them what about the saudi position vis the foreign minister gave several interviews yesterday they seem somewhat relieved after u.s. president donald trump statement that he was standing by saudi arabia's rulers despite you know everything we know that went down inside that saudi consulate in istanbul. if the turks want an international investigation who can they count on for that. says he wants to cooperate he wants more cooperation from the turks we heard that the response from the turkish foreign minister where do they take the investigation next and how do they do that first of all i think the saudis are trying to buy as much time as possible in order to i mean to have this case go away

somehow but the turks are having also their counter strategy by actually keeping it alive all the time and they have been really successful with this like as you for the past couple of i wanted to sizing this that this is a political issue and you i mean you can talk about this is not i mean this is not clear when the this is political case from the very beginning is a political figure he's a journalist a prominent journalist he was working with the washington boards he was worth. and with the with the saudi government until he was criticizing all build up of bossing the saudi government so this is a political case. so this is for the saudis the about trying to buy as much time as possible but they will come to a point where they hit they will hit the wall when the new congress come comes into office in. january. we believe that the congress will be actually reviving the case once again the congress will be actually asking for

a hearing such as from the cia from the city park months from other. institutions within the united states but for for the investigation that will depend very much. if you say this is a political. politicizing it what do they want out of it is size of course finding out the truth about what happened to who ordered his killing what else are they looking for out of this we should look at the what's what's going on right now in the region views this tectonic conflict between saudi arabia emirates on the one hand to a key. to an extent qatar on the other hand. don't forget that the saudis they did support in fact this is what the government believed they did support the military coup in the field the military coup the attempt ok in two thousand and sixteen against president bush a plea bargain that too expensive that the saudis that these in fact that we're

behind the collapse of the. last summit of the turkish government believes that the saudis and the amount these are supporting these separatist groups in syria and the finest in fact that if on them on the independence of north. of iraq last last september saw two key believes that saudi arabia yemen is very much working in order to undermine and. but i think talking for uprising as a regional power so this is why i believe the turks i mean this is something they would not be actually letting go away unless the achieve something ok. let's listen to what turkey's foreign minister medvedev said a little earlier when he was asked about. murder and who ordered it take a listen for some reason some countries have displayed a tendency to cover it up because of individual interests. this

is. a matter which still carries many questions that have not been answered yet it is important that answers i provided this shocking murder premeditated murder one that it cannot be condoned cannot be accepted by anyone has to be investigated fully and points it must be revealed and the matter of the older who never the murder of us all that boy is something that needs to come to light. the turkish foreign minister says many questions haven't been answered yet in the murder of jamal khashoggi but if it is like in the last month because it's been more than a month now we've learned quite a lot and this is really nothing left out there to be answered which is. actually what he was that

a feeling to actually is who gave the order for the murder of casualties we know all we almost know almost everything you know about america but the issue of the whole the whole issue a lot right now comes to the boy this is the people who ordered the mill and we know that the turks the cia report is boycotting that one person in this case that is i mean the combis of saudi arabia this is where the turks believe that they can make the change if the managed actually to. make a change within saudi arabia i mean the top leadership of saudi arabia by holding been some other responsible for the killing of hostages ok so where finally briefly does the investigation go next i mean the turks want an international inquiry but that might take a while so to happen what happens then. and also it will depend very much on the position of that with boys on the other hand because if you want to go for international investigation you have to go through the security council and in the security council you have many not only the united states might or bows this

but we have russia we have china and we have also other members that's not very much upset by what had been in the saudi consulate in in islam board. because they themselves actually called dorn thought acting opposition figures so they don't see this as a big issue or a big problem so the turks actually would be having. to work hard in order to get to this to this point and one but they can still rely on one thing that is the new u.s. congress when it comes to office in january next year ok thank you very much for that thank you we've been watching. again the turkish foreign minister talking in ankara with the. e.u. foreign policy chief about a number of issues including of course turkey's a session to the european union but once again the matter of saudi journalists or my shoji overshadowing the discussion say turkey saying that it still has many questions about the matter and who ordered. the killing we will of course continue

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your communities frequently being the victims of discrimination and try to use it in ukraine where war with russia separatists and spark measures tensions surgeon and she roma hate crimes to spark trouble we've been to find out what. the war in eastern ukraine against russian backed separatists has dragged on for over four years taking the lives of more than ten thousand people and resulting in a million internally displaced refugees it is ledge to a deeply polarized country where now another human tragedy is unfolding.

xenophobe because sold against the roma in parts of europe is nothing new but recent events in ukraine are on a different scale to anything seen the years of. hard world to take long come along to live concert. racial attacks are increasingly common remote communities burned to the ground a young roma woman having her throat cut. their witness to an academic a hate crime. some people starting to shout about that they're almost army ranger they're on this army armed for body sound and they are committing the crimes. fall rise paramilitaries viewed by the government as a vital in the fight against russian aggression of draining number. itself in situ later on the boys but actually choose the best it's their way and they just lose.

you which is the million economies case of blacks as the value of us most of that with the problem. is even just india africa chested but they're just others and you know many of these groups lauded by some as war heroes or attacking those who they view as racially inferior. or watch it as a whole lot of storm. visit a visit of only about what they don't want a lot of what you call. most interesting. bathed in all tunnel sunshine. on days perhaps no nicer european capitals in kiev. wonder around the graceful streets and its hold to believe the country is actually sworn. to thame a small town square is full of tourists. but term night and the atmosphere in some

parts of the city changes. terror comes with a thong. at roma settlements like this one people are afraid and with good reason it was during a night time attack in june twenty eighth seen the david paul became the first room its be killed in the pogroms outside the city of the. his widow was stabbed three times. three hannibal do they. get that i ask a guy i know that was a great challenge and knows. that leisurely and as a leisurely not the family. they know that please that. this is all the trimmings of the roma camp where david was murdered. nicholai years chang a room activist has agreed to come and tell us what happened here. he carries

a baseball bat to his introspection is this slight shallow really at the what the view that the bull a bit past was or was than any of them caught up or bizarrely were brought on the billy will brother talk about it doesn't put it all but the noble about not over when it was a slip of the ball out with the shalit it doesn't islam one has a gun as over when it is possibly what the store and if a pilot moved out of battery or from reports appear to want out of but it also is not an annual cost the most of the onus is. on the bush la police. so not to chile. yes. i. could kill a bully any mug or. charlie may be.

uniquely in the current wave of the time the ukrainian police schools the culprits the teenagers who know a way to try. the truth of the seeing the problem is home grown the minister for internal points the finger at russia. immediately stores question bollocks go ballistic. when you're. not the cause of it. it is just good. to get out there is no real information about links between those groups. against roma with russian federation and of course criminals are not russian agents guys with. no forbidden to use. for the most

part crimes against the rumah go unpunished no one has ever been convicted for killing a room and. these protesters are demanding justice following the shooting which left warm room a man dead and several others injured in the eastern city of cold cave. on the remove is the law. but taking on such cases is a dangerous business as move could discover that when he received a visit from the state prosecutor he was omed with a gun and accompanied by several men on stop at the moist that adult bus line yet for a court order you will know before that they will store many of those not because a terrible day of cigar nima e.-m. . in the standard that those two but polo shirts huge school for much less the children yes no daughter on the group little yellow ball such one is just. such it

is not that i would aim a little just the past but the talk of the knowledge is going to actually move sustained serious head injuries and you've put says that there was the looming is the margin for four door aboard the strong one. the current wave of hate crime began on the twentieth of april which happens to be hitler's birthday. when a temporary rumah camp in kiev was attacked by a group calling itself c fourteen. it was the group who is writing ideology i would say. and we know that because they lost it on their facebook accounts the video all that actually we see how their own people are attacked. our own people are just taken out of their homes and they had to run away. say fourteen is an example of their yours so the culture of the rule was strong.

you know not so bad ground. some of them know not just. some of their war. siege at their answer. was because it's theirs and they. were. at the group but it's when you know it's about. someone in the kitchen but their teachers we see all those lives of the nation. or. you can. see four teams leader yevgeny us agreed to meet us he says his group works closely with the police and they too were involved in the program in kiev. they want to do. all that is going to be with you but it was their operation of the police and

the official authorities or those in the think it was also very good manipulation women to be solved just walk. but it was born and by the. people of the sea fourteen attack inspired other attacks across the country. like this one point national school which they streamed live on the internet. to see if you don't stay with the good reason you like. the apparent impunity of those who participate in these crimes has led to an exodus of running the from kiev. and then your ideas are thought of as kind of any fighting at. the time to cut seriousness jim i want to thank you. thought this is falling upon us but just as.

well i would say it's all political games was you know will have a legs. adamant. and always are talks with. the test of the society. on how they will react whether they will support such political parties. to get. a polarity among people because of those radical groups but. this was all dog tags. presidential candidate for the socialist policy in iraq either is a strong advocate for the death penalty so you can be seen here congratulating paramilitaries after they assaulted a group of running the close to kiev station the group included a pregnant woman and several children so it's

a good idea. in here all morning at the chest options still eves you were the snobs who were. cheek reach who also wore no born star on the. i knew there was. this is the reason if the district of kiev. a rundown neighborhood littered with abundant hines's. for years rumors have migrated to these who says from the hungarian speaking province of trans cooperate here in western ukraine desperate to find work. people like anton who scrapes together a living by collecting scrap metal to sell. in the current climate many have fled.

kind of into the ghost all of the incident. i can tell you sort of kills. the senior years always out of the money of c.b.s. the person asked. if she'd like to get a stylist. but if someone has a car by ten years dealing for the most on a pay me out of his. temper silliness to he next. movie just out of court will be gods as a facility that was issued when i was also on the key. plus truly certified ellison as in level of. them is a big ol buddy. after the sea for tina turner this house was burned inhabitants of fled back to trans call. to places

like this. the roma settlement of barrow. where many people have no documents. it did you name it. yes when you're in the comment dining approached him because of anya i knew all the politics so i think it says cup or mush and you know what all those towards i need so just to not name here the source of the thought of this year one of my numbers isn't. just one nurse provides health care for the seven thousand inhabitants of the settlement. by the. us. at the back a battle of there. are you willing to stand here. many of the children here have never been to school an unofficial quota system means

that only four room of children are permitted to a class of thirty even in areas where room of children are in the majority. but even without the quota for many it would remain impossible. but he said that you are all ok thank you we are not but some of. the squad are. not that you but figured. it was all very well that you did. not show up at the a party. at thirteen is natalee's eldest son out of six children excluded from school the kernel tree and turn off right. most days he helps his mother got the nuts and berries to supplement very meek it dies to. boxing's his passion.

which is a shit hole till i thought it was. right not to go. to i was drawing from barrow is the turn of the road where warm room a woman is changing the lives of many ramit children. to school is the any one of its kind in ukraine. the waiting list for those parents hoping to enroll their children extends two years it's a clump of horror that absolute not only women's nine. at the data thought they. knew me within the there's a chance that this is my brother will. that's a statement that i don't use that yes i thought. yes some are wrong

yes i asked the quick that that's a suburb of the viney i'm. saying that in your mind. back in may we meet and last year i had a daughter isabella was brutally killed whilst walking in the time. an unknown assailant with rage. is opposed to underlings is all for. my fear. and i get those levels to. this level my. leg fellows like to lose me won't work toward woman or not. will. make among. men.

there. it's just the latest in a series of attacks that has left ukraine's ruin the community feeling abandoned by the state. if thirties refusal to treat the murder as a hate crime simply adds insult to injury. elsewhere the issue is being taken seriously. this is the celebrated actor igor creek you know directing rehearsals at the roma theater in kiev. the play tells the story of multi atrocities committed against the room and is being staged because of the rise in hate crimes. that. everybody feet here the murder her. soldiers his wish that he is a victim and you must listen no one is to me probably when the national it's

against him god was who in his richest would which is the same in the will gray. he will let him lead you to a study in the process but dames and they jihad to get the bill again at his age you have to store those not to be chilly just for them on list. if you're going to quarry by lloyd. that's and then his associate. one and a half million rumah were killed in the holocaust the second largest ethnic group after the jews there is fear within both communities that the horrors depicted in this play are in danger of returning especially among those who survived the second world war and particularly in light of the most recent fatal attacks against the regime at the thrash it was all the flesh men for a good year. yet there's a cheerful dictatorial regime if it but a little. less

a story says they're leaving you. with no that each of the books. he used to do for you wouldn't last and ideally. the most will be to sort of your own good do you believe to keep the grown up case a bit of dust an easy ears who dearly brutes the more the big issue with your new brother but the quote would need to be near you to him. this is the card careful of course museum in eastern ukraine. it was founded by the research of all of the age here as a jewish child a state called kids just before the time was seized by the moat says she passionately believes we must never forget what can happen when far right xenophobia is obliged to go unchecked what's causing. your pain is less.

compressed gonzalo i mean how much unknown evil. if a cousin committed to it. i now induce an aviation authority hostile us and i want to you certainly have got a scuffle and then let's go to packing and the thought of a awesome oh my god there you only see i'm here to answer that's three i. the worst atrocity occurred in kiev as bobby young over thirty three thousand men women and children were taken to ravine and shot in just two days by german forces and the ukrainian collaborators. most of the victims were jews but many room of perished here too. very few escaped one woman who did was die on the j.v. or. rather

proud of their brother there will be a burger. bar owner whatever the mayor. she said was younger though but it says that was that it tumble at this joke at the rest area by view of euro bill idealisation like association it is you cheered to see your jeremy i say may i say that every there's a word you said and i was all of that when you got that he's got all studied a c.c.s. . by the motions other it over the work at that hour with people obsessed only where is the alley. you know. more this or. this candlelit vigil remembers the victims of. the march tells a story of the city of king a muslim this is remembering

a. jewish. community but also a drama for giants and some speakers also underlines in all the parallels between the past and the current. there so. that it what i think is that there are serious stuff we're stuck. here about still missing but. none with us so when anybody would know that you could do was really good at the idea of. who it was just give it this will usually. it is really in the deed is the new book that it took thirty thousand but the most it does look with was that i'm sick of this bullshit because that seemed to do it at length and as you say. it's ok with the fourteenth in cannes and

a very different commemoration is underway this is defenders day a national holiday. thousands of ukrainian nationalists have converged in the center to mark the seventy sixth anniversary of the creation of the ukrainian insurgent only the nationalist paramilitary force that participated in nazi genocide joined the second world war. is an important date for the likes of you have guinea count us need of see fourteen. to show strength as next year's election approaches possibilities of it but that it used at the last. stop at the. going to put it all day. when you sit flog me so as to know what spit them with a feast and what was fake given the floor. thing that you need to get out of it i was upset but i got the same business out of this guy's name is that all you. have

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hello and welcome to news hour live from doha i'm on team denis coming up in the next sixty minutes the e.u. calls for accountability for those responsible for murdering saudi journalist jamal khashoggi and ankara demands the suspects be tried in turkey. the u.n. envoy for yemen is expected to visit the port city of a day where the u.s. says the saudi u.a.e. coalition has stopped its offensive crouse. the refugees call it the case but it's a game that will always losing the european union has turned their back on their suffering i'm david traitor in bosnia herzegovina. on paul race with all the sports coming up the cleveland cavaliers have nothing but love from the bronx james as he returns to his home team and beats them for months in light of this news out.

of the e.u. and turkey is calling for those responsible for the murder of journalists to be held accountable at the same time ankara says it wants a suspect to be tried in turkey the government said that if saudi official doesn't cooperate it will seek an independent international investigation speaking to reporters earlier the turkish foreign minister took a stand against the u.s. position on. for some reason some countries have displayed a tendency to cover it up because of individual interests. this is. a matter which still carries many questions that have not been answered yet it is important that answers i provided this shocking murder premeditated murder one that cannot be condoned cannot be accepted by anyone has to be

investigated fully and thanks must be revealed and the matter of the older who whoever the murderer was ordered by is something that needs to come to light. we expect that accountability is in short which means that those responsible those really responsible for this terrible murder have to be taken accountable we expect in line with our principles and our values and our practices on additional systems. a full investigation transparent. and fair to take place i guess this will be one of the issues we will be discussing over a working lunch not only the. situation itself but also the . role that. they're all that. i stop

here thanks for let's go live now to assemble and our correspondent there mohammed vall mohammed so less than forty eight hours after that rather disappointing statement coming from the u.s. president it seems very much to say the turkish authorities are now focusing the next part of their saturday on pushing for what they're calling an independent international inquiry. that's right martin the turks are now looking to other partners in this investigation now that they have been they think they have been let down by the american administration that the americans have put interests over justice and human rights and that has been very clear in the statements of the turkish foreign minister today and in that press that we've just heard and the turks are looking not only to your peers but also to. look into any other country that to me help in this investigation and they

are severely criticizing the foreign minister has severely criticized the level of cooperation received so far from saudi arabia and he said the two countries are not on the same page in this investigation they don't have the same understanding of what this investigation is about he said that the saudis only come here or send their own voice here to get more information flowing from the turks but in return they're not giving any information to the turkish investigative teams and judiciary so for the turks now there have to be alternatives as you mentioned the europeans to help in this respect and also probability of this taken up to the u.n. to have the international inquiry i have this new line that is a little bit interesting the turkish news agency and i don't know has mentioned but . turkish president played ever do and may meet with crowned prince of saudi arabia on the margins of the of the summit that is go to the g twenty summit that is going

to take place in argentina so if this means anything to me it means that turkey is not going to leave any stone unturned in order to find answers to the questions that it has including even meeting with crown prince of saudi arabia whom who is accused here in turkey by name by some people not by name of course by president himself to be the man who gave the order to kill tomorrow so turkey i understand is not going to leave any any any stone unturned or any effort that it is not going to deploy in order to find a conclusion to the situation and it is thinking that everybody else should be on board and that the american stance should not to discourage the world from searching for truth about the situation and also today mohamed we're hearing that there's been that from a rather interim influential columnist in turkish media publish what he believes to

be a smoking gun details of the smoking gun phone call held between the crown prince and his brother the ambassador to the united states. that's right this columnist in. very renowned columnist has mentioned in his column today that the u.s. has more evidence more powerful evidence about the responsibility of crown prince mohammed the same man in the murder of samantha scheibe ji and that has to do with with the cia revelation that was circulated during the even about something that happened before the killing of the much of the which is a phone call that was intercepted by the cia between congressman howard said man and his brother how it was impossible to the united states in which they discuss the annoyance of. the to their policies and the need congress one hundred the same and giving the order to to silence. our soon as possible the

turkish columnist thinks that this has been covered up by the united states particularly by the government the government is preventing the cia report from being declassified and that means that the government doesn't want the world the wider world to know the whole truth about this murder and he believes that if. if an international inquiry is opened maybe this report should be made public to help the international inquiry and that will push further towards the finding of the ultimate truth about who gave the order to kill jamal khashoggi mohammed val live in istanbul thank you very much indeed we're here in the studio with me is mohammed ali he's a senior fellow with the al-jazeera is studies centers where there's a professor of conflict resolution at george mason university thank you very much indeed for joining us mohammed first of all can i ask you what do you make of this latest revelation to come viable

a columnist in turkey suggesting that the cia has vajra wide wiretap a recording of the conversation between crown prince mohammed bin sound man and his brother the. ambassador to the united states in which i quote it is said silence jamal khashoggi as soon as possible does this amount to the smoking gun apparently the turks maximize their cooperation or it's a state department and other federal agencies in the united states with the hope that president trump would shape a decent comprehensive and moral position toward what happened to mr hariri so if he still insists on portion the accusation from him of assignment as far as he could or he is investing in a place provided in another month and a half of political cover up since the congress will be. will break way from

the session with the hope that nothing will happen between now and early january i think the turks telling him once again you should not ignore the valid and the significance of our facts that we have shared with you therefore if there is a recording of a particular voice given direct the guidance or all of them to. all kind of to kill her so we should not go as far as turning the blind eye and the marks in my eyes in the potential for economy break operation between the united states and they and the saudi arabia therefore i think this is the eleventh hour process you have the turks you have the europeans you have some of the senators in washington who are trying to prevent the killing in or the death penalty of those five indicted individuals with the hope that mr man can not push all the way now the

turks do seem to be treading a very fine a very delicate line insofar as the accusations are being directed specifically at one particular member. the royal household the tents do not want to they made it quite clear sabotage the relationship the saudi arabia but they do want the crown prince to be held accountable because they do believe that he's the one who gave the order i think the turks have taken to made of steps and now considering a third one the first step was announced by president of the organ when he talked directly to king solomon and he praised his prime and praised the dignity and. the servant of the torque the custodian of the holy sites and so forth with the hope that there should be a revision of the whole within the royal family with the hope that some men would be marginalized or the new crown prince would be appointed or selected however it

didn't work then turkey moved toward washington and old information or most of the information with. the head of the cia so this is i think what the turks have done toward pushing the saudis and the americans towards sort of a common effort to put pressure on hands on the third movies today when they invited the e.u. senior official movie arena to own car so i think now that they are working on the european platform more than the american or the saudi ones. we're talking just hours after the point man if you like in terms of the saudi defense of this. episode the foreign minister there has given a couple of interviews in which he's maintaining the line of this having been a rogue operation operative exceeded their all sarti and and he's.