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tv   Joseph Wu  Al Jazeera  December 10, 2018 5:32pm-6:02pm +03

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and you can mobilize all the western countries to do some sanctioned was a news garment who is responsible for this atrocity you say that but couldn't it go the other way couldn't it be that donald trump and president xi do a deal on trade which involves the americans looking the other way on what's going on and. i'm saying that. not very. optimistic news is calculating what. action and we already talked about sanctions three months early and until now we didn't see any action and i know if u.s. sanctions some few of which all the rest of the wall there will follow and the u.n. can stand firm in their commitment to the human rights who shot her son would have to leave it there thank you so much for joining me on outfront so thank you so much for having. french president emmanuel
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across government is on the defensive following violent protests against a proposed fuel tax credit was supposed to be a hopeful alternative to europe's right wing populists but in this week's reality check out from producer ryan cole examines whether the french president really is a hero of the global resistance in the age of donald trump in rising authoritarianism many have failed french president emmanuel mack or as the savior of the liberal order even declared himself the main opponent of europe's nationalist populist but this is a really well since assuming power mccall has passed a massive an unpopular reconfiguration of france's labor laws by decree critics say this weakens collective bargaining rights and decreases worker security constantly dismissed the naysayers as slackers his contempt for some of the inconveniences of french markets the extend beyond the workplace in the aftermath of the horrific twenty fifteen terror attack in paris strick state of emergency laws were implemented. whoever has now incorporated these provisions into ordinary law as
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a result authorities have been gifted draconian powers to curb the rights of individuals suspected of having links to terrorist networks all without any independent judicial oversight the ombudsman. the man in charge of defending civil liberties warn these policies stigmatize muslims and threaten social cohesion refugees haven't fared so well in france either yes the occasional refugee has been fast track to citizenship because they went viral scaling a building and saving a child but most haven't been so lucky last august passed a law reducing the number of days one has to apply for asylum from one hundred twenty to ninety and asylum seekers whose applications are rejected could be deported before the asylum court has the chance to rule on their appeal for freedom of the press doesn't always support those seeking to hold power to account in july it was revealed that one of his bodyguards violently attacked two protesters will be illegally disguised as a police officer attack journalist reporting on the unfolding scandal saying that
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france has a press that is no longer pursuing the truth and media power that wants to become a judicial power the remark or a swift rebuke from human rights watch who said his arguments were dangerous rhetoric will journalists around the world are coming under fire from populist leaders and other autocrats who wish to discredit or prevent all criticism of power perhaps the greatest lesson of the presidency is that threats to liberal democracy do not always come from the political extremes can arise from the left the right and yes the center. claims of illegal campaign overspending of russian interference of data theft was the twenty sixth referendum in the u.k. a free and fair vote as britain prepares to leave the european union next month there's a growing chorus of voices calling for a second referendum partly on the grounds that the first one may have been illegitimate one of the reporters who has broken most of the stories related to.
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facebook cambridge analytical on the possible role of russian money in the twenty sixteen vote is the observer journalist carole cadwallader she joins me now from london and from brussels member of the european parliament stephen wolf a longstanding brooks at supporter and former member of ukip the u.k. independence party thank you both for joining me from. carroll let me start with you as a result of your own investigative journalism you have criticized the way in which the brics referendum in the summer of twenty sixteen was conducted that's when fifty two percent of the public voted to leave as opposed to forty eight percent who voted to stay do you believe that brooks's vote was tainted well i think it's absolutely know that it that the vast majority of people voted the way that they did because of their very strong and genuine views that is absolutely not in doubt and never question that at all there are now multiple criminal investigations i think the last count there actually nine ongoing serious or criminal investigations
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into laws that were broken during the campaign so that includes illegal overspending illegal coordination of campaigns illegal use of data and then we've got this extraordinary revelation that the the biggest sum of money spent you in the referendum campaign that was supplied by our own banks this were still businessman who supported nitrile for raj is campaign the electoral can commission looked at that donation for a year they investigated it for an entire year and at the end of it they said we're not sure where that money came from and we're not even sure that it's british ok stephen moore did you win that vote in twenty sixteen fair and square carroll talks about all the illegality that's now associated with your campaign. of course we are absolutely won fair and square and i think i'm pleased that carol actually said that people's votes were based on opinions that they had previously formed there is
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no way that i was campaigning in the streets of the north of england in the early and blackpool in the middle and the home towns that i grew up in that we were being funded by the russians had some sort of dark money from some organizations in the united states but where i do have a problem with carol's assessment is there was no connection between vote leave and leave the e.u. in fact there was the opposite there was a complete hatred between those like karen banks and those who were leading the vote leave campaign there was no way in heaven that these people would have been collaborating with one another stephen what about carroll's point about overspending both levy you and the holy fire in the new accorded to the police by the electoral commission into factors and the main thrust of carol's argument is that nigel for odd was involved in some sort of illicit campaign with the russians to fund a campaign to undermine british democracy i'm
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a star is the main case about it then is compiled probably wrong because that is never what i campaigned on never what the millions of people of i'm are i and the people involved in ukip met and worked with ok carol is that palpably wrong is that your main case and is that probably wrong the vast majority of people this made absolutely no difference at all to you but what is key here is that they when targeted by these advertisements that is not where the money was spent all of the money in the referendum was spent in locating a few people who were called the persuadable and they were the people who were targeted with a fire of this information in the last two weeks of the campaign and that was where the money was spent it's the fact that it's just seven sensual. if you're going to have a referendum that is going to affect the foundation the constitution of our country
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you better do that within the law and we know that is not the case we know that multiple laws were broken and an investigation is. a multiple of the laws that might have been broken even what about aren't banks this multi millionaire businessman who's been donating to the to ukip and to probe records for years now you know him you were at the top of ukip for a while we've seen all these ties are coming up between now and boeing's sources in russia did you know about them when you were working alongside him. well look i never knew about his various meetings with the russian ambassador but he never knew about meetings that i had would have a variety of people in the in the camp various campaigns what i do know is that he did meet these people carol has pointed these out but at no stage has anybody ever said that what he's done is illegal their investigations and that is the point here we can't just run a witch on based upon the idea of evidence that is being pulled together by people
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that's never been found in a steve carroll carroll you've not convicted these people it's not been proved in a court of law there are three investigations now that the electoral commission carried out and that it has concluded and that has now passed to the metropolitan police so that is overspending by levy overspending by leave and overspending by believe and they say that that sent the electoral commission is that concluded those investigations to a criminal level of proof and it's passed those over to the metropolitan police so we can say definitively again and actually those rules were broken and that has been proved stephen. no no carol come on let's be fair about this this is not beyond a criminal level of proof because the electoral commission doesn't have a criminal level of proof is it did it wouldn't pass it on to the metropolitan committee police in the first place what they're saying then has had
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a nasty but doesn't fit their particular view which is the is that ruled they are the government regulate process that is how different is not saying that the law was broken they are the official regulator appointed by the u.s. and the rules and. that is what there says. now all there is and all those laws were broken. you know like heroine there is a different scene about the electoral commission has said make your point carol i appreciate your point of interest to me about sixteen times that in the u.k. we have very different levels there is a civil liability law and the recruitment of laws and in the civil liability law that is where the electoral commission is they have no criminal powers and no criminal designation of what it is that's why they passed it on to the metropolitan police because they don't have the powers do you know did you can't get money from russian sources given you got so much money from aaron banks when you were part of you can't. absolutely know how you know. because we wouldn't have been struggling
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for most of the money that we had in the first place ok karen let me ask you this this is where the nonsense comes from mehdi ok well essentially sleep well let's try to get a lot of final colors let's try to get to the bottom of the alleged nonsense carol you've written an article for the new york review of books saying britain needs its own russian investigation its own robert muller given how controversial and divisive the motor investigation has been here in the united states do you think that actually be of any value in the u.k. . well i think i look at this at this speech the head of m i six made his only his second ever speech since he's been in office and he pointed to the fact that how am i six had been involved in the mass expulsion of russian spies from britain and that happened after a script was poisoned the foreign office took this action now one of those people who was expelled from britain at that time we shared my six confirmed was a russian intelligence officer this is the person who's targeting our own banks and
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he wasn't just targeting our own banks any old time he was targeting him in the months before the referendum and banks was invited by the russian ambassador to meet a russian businessman who offered him these kind of like fantastic gold and diamond deals and i don't think we can it's not a question that russia just like write a check to to a political campaign and that's how it works what we know from patterns all across you it is it's this is it's about enriching businessmen who then donate to campaigns it's about offering sweetheart deals and when we look at the office we look at what was proposed to our banks that just looks like a sweetheart deal it does stephen let me ask you this given you want to get to the bottom of this like carol does would you support almost all investigation an independent investigation i sound like a liberal democrat the answer is yes and the answer is no on the answer is yes because i think it would be farcical show that there was no involvement between
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ukip and the russians or leave the e.u. in the oceans or more importantly a connection between vote leave and leave the e.u. but on the other side of it would actually continue the negativity and the divisiveness and the dangerous damage to our political feeling that's happening in the united kingdom at the moment and whereas i believe that carol has a complete duty as a reporter to pursue people like cambridge on a little girl and the courage that she's looking at now. but there is a duty on all of us to look at this carefully and responsibly about how we're damaging our democracy when you link things that are not factual with things that are just kind of ideas you mention damaging democracy as time goes by stephen as more and more evidence of seeming wrongdoing emerges more and more questions go unanswered there does seem to be a momentum growing for a second referendum on sky news did a poll last month that found more than half of britain support a second referendum you're a democrat what's wrong with having a nother vote given all the controversy given it's nearly three years later purely
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and simply because democracy demands that once you have a vote you have to enact the decisions of the people and this this to you here is different what's being asked is not to enact leaving the european union is to change your mind before actually happens and if you do so there will be millions of people who still would vote to leave and i don't want to see that division between families between rich and poor between the those so-called who don't know what they're talking about and those who believe that they do continue to try and use that carol final question to you said the british politics now is quote conducted in darkness in britain it's no longer possible to keep money out of politics or even to track it so given a second referendum would probably be in your view as compromised and tainted as the first one wouldn't how would you get around that problem given your own reporting. well i'm not here to campaign for a second referendum i'm just here to tell you that that was not free and fair vote
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it was not conducted democratically we can have absolutely no assurance the outcome of it and the rest is for politicians to deal with but yet the role of the tech companies of facebook and of google right at the heart of this it's a refusal to answer questions to our lawmakers that is a massive problem that. makes hosting a free and fair election in years to come. just filled with when we normally see and that's why it's so important what parliament is trying to do in trying to hold them to account on that note we'll have to leave it there carol stephen thanks for joining me on the arena that's our show from will be back next week. counting the cost becomes the first country in the middle east to quit opec un
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affairs that matter to you. al-jazeera. jamal khashoggi his fiance speaks exclusively to our jazeera more than two months after his murder she demands to know where his remains are. there live from doha i'm latina and there's also coming up europe's top cold confirms the u.k. can stop cracks if it wants without permission from the rest of the e.u. . after four weeks of protests in france president mccraw meets union and business leaders before addressing the nation. efforts made
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to prevent scenes like this but countries are pulling out of an international act on safe migration before a deal is even signed. it's been seventy days since have to j. also her fiance the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi alive it was outside his country's consulate in istanbul he was vetted to let papers for their upcoming marriage but instead walked into a death trap saudi crown prince mohammed bin solomon is accused of ordering his murder in an excuse. interview with al-jazeera his fiance says she'll fight to ensure everyone who's responsible for his death is brought to justice under the sort of i want to expose the details of this horrific crime identify the
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perpetrators and put those who carried out the killing on a fair trial including those who ordered the hit so they get the punishment they deserve on behalf of jamal's relatives and loved ones and i say this isn't one of them we need to know the whereabouts of his body this is a basic human right. now you know according to what i was convinced he was still alive i never imagined such a crime could happen in a consulate and a simple normal person can never imagine what happened near jamal never committed any crimes and never did wrong in any way and all he did was in turkey consulate to get hold of legal papers to get married we were on the right track him and i he wanted to build a new life and as you know he was excelled in he was in so much pain over it so to be honest i never imagined the day i'd be in this position to be honest it still hasn't sunken yes you see me sitting and talking and talking about what happened
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but human can't the words fail me. let's go live now to assemble our correspondent mohammed vile is mohammed you're in front of the saudi consulate which of course is where jamal khashoggi was so brutally murdered and we've been hearing have we within the last twenty four hours from syria saudi figures. that's right martin the saudis for a sponsor to a turkish request. that took place a few days ago the turkish prosecutor general filed a request to issue an arrest warrant for. two saudi top suspects in the plot to murder them out hotshot gee we understand there are eighteen of them but the top two who gave the orders who made the planning would look at me and that last city those are the men and turkish prosecution want to be extradited to turkey to be to be tried also they failed the similar request before that for the remainder that
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they made of those men who contributed to the execution of that plot however we learnt from the saudi side as you said but there is no way the saudi the saudis are going to hand over those men take a listen to the statements of saudi foreign minister their job at the with regards to with regards to their rents we will not hand any of our citizens to turkey even the turkish constitution prohibits extradition of their own citizens so why should we turkey has not provided us with the information that we need on the investigation the legal way and the other voice we've been hearing from of course isn't exclusively hearing from jamal khashoggi his fiance mohammed and every mind that more than two months since his murder there are still many questions that remain unanswered. well that's right those questions are at least four major issues between turkey and saudi arabia now four
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big questions that have to be answered by the saudis you can he's here and say said the whereabouts of the remains of them out how you clear also the the suspects those eighteen suspects have to be extradited saudi arabia as we have just said refuse that who is the man that gave the ultimate order the to kill. all the suspicions all the evidence points to crown prince mohammed inside man as we have been listening to and what the turkish. evidence has been pointing out as we said during the last several weeks and that has been raised to the americans the americans are discussing it senators u.s. senators are discussing it and they are going to table at a solution this week that points to mohammed the same man as the man behind the whole crime but not something that saudi arabia is not willing to discuss with the turkish side turkey says it has given every piece of information that's tough to
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the side that it has to the saudis and it is complaining that the saudis are not our setting and they are not responding to those demands as i said the whereabouts of. the starvation of the four of the men in charge who gave the order and also who is that local collaborator the saudis talked about and failed to report to to show him or to a produce any information about him these are questions to be answered by the saudis as i said and the what we hear here in the local media is that probably if none of this. happens the turkish side may raise the file to the level of the united nations and there could be requests for a u.n. international investigation there could be also a request to seek help of interpol to arrest those men if saudi arabia fails to produce them any time they travel outside saudi arabia now. live in istanbul thank you very much indeed and as mohammed made mention of the moves in washington
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particularly in the senate are taking shape this week because they are considering a resolution that would condemn the saudi crown prince specifically for the murder one prominent republican has had some very strong words if it weren't for the united states said be speaking farsi in about a week in saudi arabia their military can't fight it out of a paper bag they give us nine percent of our all imports we need them a lot less than they need a side of this you've got to hook up to our murderous regime of. america from iran quite the opposite i think by hooking up with him we heard or ability to govern the region europe's top causes ruled the britain's parliament can cancel the whole brett sit process without referring to the other members of the european union and the case was brought by anti bracks it campaign isn't
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politicians but the british prime minister terry's amaze pushing ahead with a deal to leave the block the poller mentary vote on tuesday this is may's under increasing pressure from some m.p.'s to renegotiate or even scrapped the agreement let's go live now to jonah howell he's at westminster outside the houses of parliament and jonah first of all this is c.j. ruling it's a confirmation basically of what we'd already had before coming from one of the advisory members the britain can counsel the process if it wants how does this help if at all mrs may. what well yes i mean this is a full judge panel of the confirming that advised by the advocate general last week it's pretty significant if he's saying look the u.k. is able unilaterally to get out of this article fifty clause revoke it cancel breaks it and walk away and crucially do so with exactly the same deal that it has now and that's interesting because it contradicts the arguments of
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a number of very senior pros ministers who said look be careful of this idea of revoking article fifty there's no way we'll be able to return to the status quo we won't be offered the same concessions that we've fought for in achieve over the years and you will rebate no membership of the shango zone no membership of the euro and so on with e.c.g. saying you can revote and you can do it on exactly the same terms as now one of the consequences overall it makes it yet more unlikely that the u.k. can sort of walk blindly into a no deal scenario with all of the economic chaos that many economists predict would follow that there's no majority for it in parliament here the u.k. can simply push the button at the last minute and revoke it also will give truthful impetus presumably to pro second referendum campaigners who will now have european law to point to to say that breaks it can be cancelled in terms of mrs may and her
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last minute drive in the last in the next twenty four hours to push skeptical m.p.'s progress of m.p.'s over the line to vote for her deal on tuesday night and she can now say to them while she can no longer say it's my deal or no the deal that's a threat she's been bandying about and she could now say it's my deal or no briggs it that may give her just a little bit more of a push over the line all right a little bit more assistance perhaps but nonetheless the numbers from every which direction you look at it are overwhelmingly against her is that your understanding . that is still the case it doesn't appear that there's very much movement in the direction that reason may the prime minister number ten downing street would like to see word this morning coming from a very senior minister and her cabinet is to go to the environment secretary suggesting that there are last minute efforts underway now to talk to the leaders
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to talk to head of the commission to try and win some sort of concession on that much hated backstop the guaranteed keeping an open border on the island of ireland the progress of his seat as a surrender of sovereignty as a way of ensuring we are not able this country to strike independent trade deals with members with other countries outside the e.u. we'll she's hoping to try and win perhaps some last minute concessions there that been suggestions that if she couldn't she might pull the vote all together at this point we are assured by michael gove and others that the vote on tuesday night is still on all those he said. it does seem to be the case she's set to lose it heavily. jonah how that live at west point said thank you now the french president emmanuel mccraw is used to address the nation after holding tools to try to resolve the yellow vests movement cabinet members also joining the talks in paris alongside union and trade ins the demonstrations were initially ever
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fuel tax increases but they've now become an anti government movement calling for president mackerel to resign. we can talk to our correspondent dominic cain now he's in paris so these. long awaited talks are now under way because many people saying that president karl has been rather remote and even aloof from these demonstrations that have torn apart france for the last four weekends. very much so many people in this country believe that the sort of that he has been displaying the haughtiness some might say is under fitting of the role that he is in right now particularly given the fact that his capital city and parts of his country have seen such violence over the past four weekends nevertheless as you say he is now meeting with representatives of trade unions with representatives.

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