the villages around my village are still in the hands of isis are sold raped and we don't know what their situation is and what it's going to be until now we see what has happened to them and we have seen that they haven't received the right yet i hope that with the aim and with the prize of the nobel peace. may because we will shatter the light to this issue that we will hopefully see justice and we are doing tireless work by going to no question we have seen a lot of awful things and difficulties and ice is itself showed what has happened precisely to all these girls and women but we were far away from justice and therefore up until now and we hope that very soon we will be able to see justice taking its place don't you see heard no idea tell her story you heard it again today you've heard thousands of similar stories over the years now i know you

are a doctor you have to be professional you have to be dispassionate but when you hear these stories inside as a human being does it give you or is it just anger. reports i think that even if even if you are a doctor you remain a human being and when you all find yourselves in this humanity that you share with the victim of one of the patients in front of you there are sometimes things that will make you angry because. i have difficulties in understanding how an adult can't destroy a child how after having rape somebody which is very serious and then furthermore introduce objects to destroy the genital organs i think you feel that show in

a state of anger because you do not understand how on top of rape somebody can apply this torture now we see you together today two different people different ages different backgrounds from different parts of the world but with a shared message you're together here in all slow i'd like to know have you met before and how did that come about if you have. yes you have. me before in two years in paris. he was trying to help me. become thinner rock and had this. been through. the years you could be. so you know just nobel laureates your friends. very well it's not just questions coming from us here on the podium today also questions coming from you we're all now just zero we're also on facebook we're on you tube or

on twitter the how stark is a.j. nobel please send in your questions are around of course we've got our audience here in oslo city hall and they've got questions too the first one of those is from madeleine you are a masters student can you tell us your question please sexualize violence against girls and women has been used as a weapon of war for a long time why do you think this hasn't been brought forth as a big issue on the world stage until now why now dr dennis. you know i think that the schools. up until now. this is the weapon of silence weapon of been used and i think that the latest weapon is impunity and i think that day more and more women are

capable of speaking and that's the reason why i have a lot of respect for not next to me who had the courage to go beyond this barrier of. to break the silence and to state what happened i think that when women start to speak out it is an absolute weapon to be able to bring these terrible crimes. before the population and even the courts can't be done and i think that day more and more women are speaking which is a wonderful thing and need needs to be encouraged and i think that me too breaking silence all these movements will help to make the calls go forward and progress precisely on that night yeah you refuse to accept the social codes in many cultures that require women to stay silent and ashamed of the abuses that they've been

subjected to why did you decide to speak up no matter how hard why did you decide to be a voice for the thousands of years of the women. after. of course i felt shameful from day one of our until today i still feel shameful about what has happened it is something very personal that i have experienced myself it's not something that has just happened to myself. do you seeing of the women being sold and the rape everybody in the world knows about it everybody knows you will be talking about it and if this has now but never happened to us and in iraq as well that. women will stand up and talk about this topic of rape and will talk about it here me and many other u.c.d.

girls after we were somewhere safe such as germany we wanted to raise our voices because this will continue was older women but if women and girls don't allowed to do that and this is going to be a weapon off what if we don't use it today and don't speak up today tomorrow and this will continue but do you feel sometimes a certain burden the burden of representing an entire people. and there. as the image has some unknown. always it is a heavy load on me because this has happened to me as well if i was working on it would have felt lighter but it is a heavy burden. and i can see that i'm working on this topic that i'm listening to everybody that has survived that is very very difficult why is it important for you mention there the word survived why is it important for you niger to be called

a survivor and not a victim of sexual violence and conflict. why is it important for you to be called a survivor and not a victim. as you heard it. as bad as. i mean because i could rest i could be rescued. or i wasn't a victim for them i didn't want to stay somebody like a victim for them. but i wanted to make it possible to make my voice a race to everybody and everybody could hear my voice dennis some of the patients you've treated have had the most dreadful severe injuries can you describe for us some of the brutality involved and the effects on those women both physically and mentally. i think first of all.

rape as a weapon of war is not a sexual act and i think it must be clear it is an act of terror an act. to do the greatest harm not only more towards a victim but also to his surroundings and when this. takes place on a woman it is to try and attempt to traumatize her surroundings a husband and and the children and the rapes that we've dealt with in pansy often there were public rapes collective rapes with torture and this torture does that no it can range from like weapons. in the genital parts with injuries of the intestines and. these these. injured people that i treated in very difficult conditions because

they come with a generalized infection when. that has been introduced in the genital parts of to rape that is horrifying well we spoke to one of the thousands of victims that you've treated over the years of democratic money i mean was taken by militia men in the east and they are saying two thousand and two she was held for six months and raped repeatedly she managed to escape and ended up at panzi hospital here's her message to you. it was or was it if you really wish to see yourself in this after i was raped i thought it was the end of the wild because i was stigmatized i was abandoned by everyone but. i didn't think i could go back living in society and even not fuzzy so when i arrived at panzi hospital i was treated don't because i said look to me thanks to dr macwhich i made it and

everyone respects me again as you seem to differ from me now i am a mother i have six children i have and i continue to go to school. papa mcquay i'm so grateful to you for giving me a new life the new life you we were abandoned by our own communities rejected by our families stigmatized everywhere we went so may god continue to protect you. because you have saved thousands of women including myself and six women. good luck in your fight good luck in your struggle. than they did. ten years one of the appalling stories but with a very uplifting message at the end sank in you for the work that you're doing that apparency hospital maybe you could tell us a little bit more of what happens after surgery and what you do to try and heal

these women that van reintegrate them into a society where rape victims tend to be stigmatized. the medical treatment for the victims of sexual violence is a small part in the treatment and the handling of victims of sexual violence when we started. to look after victims we did what was within our field that is to save medically or surgically speaking but very quickly we realized that for the those who were sick. heavily traumatized even their trauma trauma psychological trauma was so strong that they could not continue a normal life and so. we included psychological handling and so much of what is care it is you see that a woman regains confidence in herself when i see that all girls for instance.

applying makeup and coming towards me and saying daddy do you think i'm pretty you can see there is a process to accept of oneself and to really integrate because they. suffer from disassociation and when i see them that once again they start to look pretty i can see that psychologically. there is something happening but when they're excluded by the family by the community by the husband if you leave them in the street they will be raped again and so we must be able to support them. to be reintegrated into society and if we have. educational. programs but we also give classes so that they have a new profile that allow them to start a new life and i'm very touched by it while the lady i

just saw and and her children. it's a success and it's not. the final it's a patient them to say what she wants and finally when women are reintegrated into society it is at that moment that they are asking for justice and we therefore cannot not help in the hands of the hospital can see how. solicitous that accompany them before the court so that they can have plenty of. room and treatment and will get to the issue of justice and accountability in just a moment in a bit more detail but i want to bring back an idea into the conversation not here you know yes the women who escaped i saw or who were saved were rescued faced an array of new problems they have a difficulty living in a past present and in the future they can't get married or getting gays have

a boyfriend you know idea. congratulations and your fiance is here with us in the audience here in oslo. how were you able to survive your ordeal and build a future for yourself what helped. go to. girls and women. that could rescue themselves from isis you know the same as many other women and girls in the world whenever they see this injustice happening to them accepting that is a very difficult when one man so society is not accepting what the girls are doing but what do you see the people have done is something huge and enormous they have accepted what has happened when we returned and for the married girl that went

bad were accepted by the husband with all know and they were accepted and we could see that many of these girls could actually get married they have given birth to children as a woman is on in was not and i didn't know that i would have a. beautiful life one day again that i would have my own family one day. and. i have a fiance know. is there and he's also using it buddy or big of a bin which is me and he knows everything of that and that was the difficult aspect but he knows exactly what has happened to me and more than anybody else in this world and every single day i mean i've been tried i've tried to forget what has happened and what has happened to me the assault and everything of course is not in my what i have been joint not at all and i see that i can find justice and find my

rights here so acceptance is important to your healing process basically james yeah more questions from our audience here in oslo city hall that we have with us two business owners who also work on a project to prevent gender violence here in norway we have felicie who originally was born in liberia and we have salt who was born in turkey and is kurdish and you have two related questions if you could give us your questions yes what you said to men across the war by being reaganite to women who have been reaped. what are most important ways to support this woman dennis maybe if you can asked if you answer that question to the men the men who are close to women who have been raped for quite a result think that men also we have a responsibility first of all because when rape.

if you are in society these. acts are committed by men but not all men are rapists men know how to love them well you have to show affection but unfortunately you know men commit film rape who represent a very small minority of your men who do not commit rape. are not sufficiently courageous to show that we do not rape and we both support women and it is up to us. men vital to show that men who rape are not true men and other true man is someone who can talk to a woman and who does not rape and respect. that the family is something men can do women have done. i've done a lot to conquer sexual violence and it's time for men to be engaged to

commit themselves and then yes while we're on the subject of men one aspect that really is on the reports is in conflict zones and in your own country male rape. men rail rape of men by men. become poland the big problem is that rape is when rape is used as a weapon of war we try to use all the means that allow. it and they allow us to dehumanised the other person under i've known and i've looked after men who have been raped by men it is not the specific armed group that thinks that the best thing to do is to rape a man so here's my plea for his children and to humiliate him before his family and i think that this attitude is simply an attitude of war which i also

just as bad as the rape the raping of women nadia you mentioned in your speech today and it's believed that some three thousand women still remain enslaved by ice or four years after they swept into. i know your dream is for your people to return to their homeland but what do you tell to the women of your community who had children from i saw fighters and who don't want to come back who are afraid to come back what is your message to them. those girls and women. if they had children from isis. that's not because they wanted to have those children's farm children from isis this any women that is in the hands of

a terrorist of isis they might get children and this is a big sin by. isis terrorists go to my message to these girls and women. it's not your fault it's not a fold of the children that's the fault of isis and the girl is if you go and is a do woman no matter what has happened to you how many children you have from isis . so to begin your bit of a good idea how you raise your head and go back for every single is a deep person you know the doors are open and we are looking forward and we are waiting for you it doesn't matter if it's one child ten children as long as you are safe come back thank you and back to our audience jordan. who was born in dr my work is so in country a democratic republic of congo you have a question yes first of all dr required in this maraud thank you for all that you

do for being so brave and for never giving up so what do you believe the international community should help these human rights violations and to support those fleeing sexual violence both fleeing sexual violence that brings the whole problem of migration into this and we're in an international atmosphere of growing nationalism and populism you just have to look at the most powerful country in the world not the president trump doesn't have very good words for migrants what would you say to john that giordano's question. to no idea about those fleeing sexual violence across borders. circus one would overcome and normally look at me i'm one of them i ran away from rape. from. from losing myself from losing my religion that's why i flipped fled. not everyone who's running

away is happy about what has happened not happy about being a refugee in another country i wanted to have a beautiful life with my family in my village but not everybody who is leaving their country is a bad person and we want to have a safe life that's the reason we leaving our country my expectation it is near and to look at these people they're running away from atrocities their want to be in a safe place until there is justice in their own country so an idea we wanted to find out what life is lying today for your community the easy these in northern iraq and we went to northern iraq to find out about the current situation that they're facing today the vast majority of you see these are living in camps for the internally displaced al jazeera as rob matheson visited one in his report. holiday oh yes is one of thousands of years e.d.s.

once driven to the mountains of northern iraq ahead of an onslaught by ice on the northeast twenty fourteen holiday lost thirty seven members of an extended family of four there at the darshan i still had no mercy we were told that my family had been stopped at an isolation appoints the men were killed and women and children were taken reports of years he's dying from lack of food and water huddled together and leaks in john monckton finally provoked other countries to take action western helicopters dropped supplies the u.s. joined the fight against eisel the threat may have receded but you say their struggle to live continues it's estimated there are between five hundred thousand and one million visitors in the world most of them are here in northern iraq and many of them live in camps like things they say they've been persecuted for hundreds of years because of their religion they say there's part of their religion

which is misinterpreted to the easy to use the ferocious attack by i saw them twenty fourteen was just another attempt at what the u.n. describes as genocide some aid organizations are still working is eighty camps but global help is dwindling they think that the that is over here thought about concentrating on the other places but it's not like that because people are still living in the camps and they need they need food they need shelter they safe a place. some years it is believe the war against eisel isn't over and the damned fighters are living among them in disguise where they. were not expecting much from the world right now is not giving much to help ease our suffering we feel left behind as you say that is threats remain and supply shrink their battle simply to exist is being forgotten by the rest of the world. no idea you've seen those

pictures you've been to those camps do you think there will ever be justice for the appalling crimes committed against your people. i'm a limb homework i hope so i have the belief to see the justice for my people. we see that we might be five hundred thousand people in the world. you see that we haven't done any atrocity any difficulty to any person in this world but isis has been doing that everybody in this world. for what they keep saying it's what well isis is fidel. group or dish been doing to the girls and women kidnapping this female person raping the years cd girls and women and the believe and those people believing according to isis and saying this

is right we see this is the the wrong just act they can possibly do not just my commit but everybody knows that. we need to see our justice and we are on the right assigned and we are searching for our rights and we don't want to lose our rights here on the question of just says there is someone collecting evidence the united nations has established an investigative team to support iraqi domestic efforts to hold i saw accountable for crimes committed in the country karim khan is the head of that team the u.n. investigative team for accountability of diana's uni todd thank you very much for being with us today please send up i have a few questions for you on the work that you're doing now the resolution that establish your team was adopted over a year ago but i understand that you haven't actually started anything you'd work in iraq what is the most urgent priority right now and is enough being done to preserve the evidence of eyesores atrocities in iraq well firstly i think we have

two remarkable laureates today and i think the speech that we heard this afternoon is one that repays. relistening too because there's many important lessons that is correct that the international community in september of last year passed a resolution that created an investigative team and it was with a large part the advocacy of morag that the security council with one unanimous voice decided that the rule of law and proper judicial accountability must be part of the way to confront the evil in the criminality of but the team hasn't started at work no well i've i've been appointed for ninety days. last week i presented my first report to the security council we have a budget we have an office we are reaching out to other parts of the united nations so the upside of it is the mechanisms in place in this very fractured international

environment that we witness around us that the states there is a consensus that judicial accountability is not an afterthought it's absolutely essential but this to observe ations the first thing goes to what dr dennis said earlier justice claps is too glib a phrase of justice requires that the acts don't take place in the first place and that requires a larger conversation so we actually give life to the promise that we've heard since nuremberg of never again what we're trying to do is accountability and that is. an arduous process to requires proof beyond reasonable doubt but we have the political will to hunt us yeah in your inquiries are they any answers are you finding answers are as to where the missing is easy women are today to believe that some three thousand of them are still missing are they still alive because they're still pockets of i so active in iraq what are you hearing finding out about the

fate of the missing is the girls and women well i hear a lot but as a lawyer i am driven by evidence and i must make a pronouncement. speak based upon evidence and investigations of course there's a variety of options we know from the u.n. reports that there's two hundred grave sites scattered throughout iraq not just use edis but all communities we know of course that individuals may have been taken into syria or elsewhere and this is really one of the purposes of a proper evidence based criminal investigation so we can get the evidence we don't listen to the gossip we don't listen to the rumor we don't listen to the understandable speculation we get evidence that will hopefully give some kind of answers to the victims that have waited far too long thank you very much i mean can you thank you for talking to us tennis if i can bring you in on the issues of accountability you've heard of an international mechanism there on i so you have an international criminal court i know the hospital already mentioned you have your

legal clinic do you think the international routes or the local route to justice is the best one. soon the but. it's and i'm not the person that is saying it's the best way. to pick tim's. we proposed to them we say to them look you feel this is what is possible that can be done and it's up to them to decide. and i think that for the victims that we treat i think less than ten percent seek justice for several reasons and i think without. the feeling that the crimes. committed have been recognised and that there is a mechanism that ensures that this recognition leads to a certain amount of compensation and satisfaction for the victim and finally the

community has recognised the harm that's been committed it's very hard for the victims to build because if there is this recognition with reparations it gives the victims the feeling that the harm. it's it's committed by the community but when the community doesn't want to follow in that direction the community can sinews to torture the victim so i think it's very important to have justice to allow the rebuilding and reconstruction of the victims but in your country the justice system like everything else it's a country where things are barely functioning. don't you actually need political leadership and i guess that's why the elections on the twenty third of december less than two weeks from now are so important before you answer that fully i think you've got something might have a comment here from one of our viewers on facebook dr mccuaig eric who asks how is

dr mccuaig planning to strategize his fight in a country where instead of acting against perpetrators the state's first action is to deny and try to justify the unjustifiable what do you respond to that. quite is i think the government buffet he made that comment he's absolutely right the great suffering of the victims of sexual violence in d r c is the fact that our government is in full denial and does not accept that. what is happening right up to this very moment that there are there are cases of mass rapes and that for the victims instead of feeling that they're protected by the government they must have confidence in the government in fact the victims lose all confidence in the institution which not only should protect them but to give them

their rights and that in fact in congo is the big problem they have been a lot of mistakes in the past in relation to the process the peace process where justice was sacrificed in the name of peace and twenty years later we can see that we neither have justice nor peace and so violence continues with the experience of congo and i'm happy that we have experts for instance from the united nations here with the experience of congo i think we can be we can say clearly say that when you ignore justice you will never be able to build peace because the people have committed crimes with regards to the. d r c the people who are in power .