i deal. in. the issues that actually determine development in the world much more complex. requiring architects really think more outside the domain of art so i think work with other collaborative. challenges you don't just show i want to tell our audience about an architect called michael arad michael rad to you may know is the design of the memorial for the nine eleven victims he's here on my laptop page you can see the memorial in the background more recently he just dying to this which is. a memorial for another tragic event which was the emanuel nine memorial to commemorate the charleston church shootings you may remember a gunman went into the church and killed people in the church so michael spoke to us a little bit earlier and told us what he felt was the role of the responsibility of

an architect have a listen to him here i believe architecture has a very important role to play in affecting social change our public place. our reflection of who we are as a society we make them and they turn make. and this public place is bringing us together as a community as a group. and i think that is one of the most important things we can do they can affirm our sense of identity is part of the collective and drive the dialogue and interaction with us you know we're more than. our individual. yes me what i find fascinating about your career is that you changed at some point from designing grand buildings designing very practical buildings what happened to you why did you decide that you needed to make an impact on the people in the house

seeing the way people lived in pakistan. with me basically of course pakistan is a really a poor country and we have an enormous sort of high poverty levels and now i work with people who are barefoot they have no shoes so i you know we're designing something we call barefoot social architecture which is to see that we can change the minds and transform their mindset it's like social engineering but with a dimension of culture in it because what we do is to try to see what has been there when that live tradition and to try to incorporate that in everything that we do it has to be something that has to be a participatory process where people themselves are able to build themselves and we had them to build better because the problem in my country in many countries of africa is that people suffer from enormous deficits of basic needs i mean they have no shelter they may not have any attorney if there is no what. there is no cooking

facilities so all these are basic needs and also plantation so what we are trying to do is to is today really implemented now these holistic models will people themselves begin to take pride in what they do and they have understand their own self worth and that is the challenge and asking what we were showing just them was an elevated building because those people know so much flooding in pakistan jeanne the monsoon season so the building is elevated it's so simple so that when the rains come people don't have to leave their homes they're not displaced people in their own land and then there's everything all of the living can happen above the flood water and then that means that that changes their lives so that social impact right now. and in the going to get displaced because that's the worst thing that happens when any flooding takes place or earthquakes happen then you know obviously you are displaced and this is what we have to now guard against we have to really have disaster preparedness everywhere so everything that is built is safe so i have to tell you that i only was bamboo mud and lime i don't know whether you know that

or not i do not. was anything meant that is normative that we was meant might have high carbon emissions so that is something that's not very important for the future to think and it is something that people are used to they can work with those materials themselves and so they can actually raise above it was a day by themselves and that is what we need to do is to give them the tools where they're become self-reliant and this is what the attempted that in all of the work that i did today i am there is this this debate going on within the architecture profession which is about purpose and then also about beauty and art lady standing in that debate tell us about the work that will doing that that straddles that us. i don't really see them are necessarily you know two separate things or to compare canuck where exists and i think as architects and a function one of the functions of design is you know beauty it is it is a com component and i think it goes often this. opposition. between

you know good thing for good or making something that is for me be the most people have the least means and building from computer for as do you could not do both let's get let's give you one example i want to see the market that you know you designs are going to show the market and you can tell us what are they singing it. essentially we made this market in a rule village in there and it used to be a weekly market that was just made out of. straw and basically that they had to rebuilt roughly every six months and essentially the village was very interested in developing a local economy this used to be a weekly market so they could only really be ignorant. and sell it selling their goods every week and so the idea was to create displaced that would be you know whimsical and beautiful and provide all these playful little canopies were children could play around and maybe feel as though it was this

really massive playground and parents and you know sellers and whoever customers would just sort of sit about and just want to hang out not just about commerce not just about anything else in order to reading good kind of sense of what pride sense of place that you want to be instance of beauty because no matter what your income is no matter where you are sometimes there's i don't see why we should say bad just because something it's opposed to before. a village or you know some other. gift rich area that it should not have beauty so we really try in all of our projects to find ways in which to inject something that can make you dream something that's playful something that maybe you've never seen before and i can transport you outside of yourself and maybe even sometimes as a sort of condition psychologically these things matter i really believe can let me put this tweet somewhere in my victor he says architect should allow members of the community to have a voice in the design design should it be technocratic as economic. describes in

chinee of experts track human she designs as policies that each one is affected differently i have seen you what with the local community it is a fascinating process how do you do it how to get say this is my design i'm the architect but also i'm doing it here. well i actually don't. typically go into a community or go into. a condition where there's a need for service and have conversations with people me talk talk to them understand the problems understand that challenges but also more importantly the opportunities. it doesn't matter how difficult condition is always opportunities. and that's what we look out for since time is not you know academy because the consequences of that a little tell me how you how you came through that process. so the black rhino

academy project and in a very remote village in khorat to kind of been there and we worked with the local partners and the founder to understand what the material or kind of material resources on the building type ologies and. bricks where. a common commonly used. work in the community there to develop a way of creating spaces an architecture that was simple but were go so also had. something to solve the problems and also created an identity for the school. yes minister anything do you want to ask. about the what doing because you

pining even danish when they when they were still at school. starchild well i think that would be really interesting because i eagerly would you know what they said in terms of good design because i think that's needed in people who are very poor they will appreciate good design and where there is deficit you need more design rather than less to really support who needs the services of good architects but i would say that i'd be really interested to see if francis really could really designed something in bamboo he saw things that could be involved bamboo rather than wood or muddy and could design her world and you know rather than one brick if that could be mud bricks and we could pass on the information about how to use lime because lime is an amazing material it makes it absolutely waterproof and that's what i do in all our modern buildings we actually mix lime and it's through villages the soil and it makes really very strong bricks so i would really like to see good architecture getting involved in humanitarian was because that's what

they're really needed urgently because i might just explain to you that there's a whole barefoot eco system i believe where people are you know there's a multi-day which is like for the barefoot market where transgressions can take place and if you can train these poor people how to be able to help to build that is the best thing that we can do it for me just give you an example here of why pakistan chula i don't know whether you have an image of that or not which is a story with an urgent job in the platform to direct compliance what is on the sex trade and yet there they are and i designed it as another platform with really this particular kind of you know to start with angel and give them the but i feel that my work is like you know creating a canvas on which they didn't begin to innovate and they you know produced something that after the extraordinary out of these forty thousand jewellers and we just heard that we got this world happy thought it was for pakistan for the

audience to each one is a unique project to see. so that's where we do them if you allow them the possibility of. our audience is very concerned about the sustainability of architecture and new buildings and jamal says that the world needs more sustainable architecture it's our responsibility to build cream green and clean smart cities and then peter here talks about architecture on the positive side has been critical in recycling waste an example of construction of buildings using recycled material in los angeles you're also doing something very similar in the share tell us your take on marble for instance where should marble be used and why should marble not be used i think it might just wake people up just a little bit. well i mean i think really when it comes to materials you use what you have writing and the climate and the geology of the place you're in usually would determine that if

there's no marble in and i have to import it from italy we have a bit of a problem right especially because landlocked country we're far away from italy it would be under your prerogative and that's the least sustainable thing we can possibly do if you're in a village in italy that car is marble then by all means you know it includes the marble it's not a problem and so in the just for example we have let's right the soil that's amazing and we make our projects making these earth breaks and are unfired and we just use. a press to to to make them stronger and. draw the raw material that we use. in the direction but also even the metal that we use is actually recycled metal we have in the jar has this great. ability and a bunch of people who have really really high skills in transfer from metal scrap metal that didn't melt down and turned back into tubes and. sheet metal which is

not structural but it's wonderful for doing for example the kind of piece that we made in the project that you just showed and so we end up recycling these things over and over again and turn them into something else and then harnessing the local skills to do the necessary the skills of the people who live there but the skills of bin or the workers that can transcend with their use to doing which is also something that's incredibly important in terms of reidy furthering the skills are already there and putting forth challenges and providing new designs and new kind of ways of putting together the things that they already know how to do which ends up for us creating a situation where at the end of a project we always have the construction workers or the metal workers who always comment about the fact that oh my gosh i've never done something like this before and when you do. i thought it was absolutely crazy but oh ok you know i'm happy we did it and for us that's absolutely most gratifying thing that we can possibly have in our work. can i i'm thinking about think generations of architects i know that

you already inspiring if you could tell them one tip for how to do architecture that actually changes people's life what would it be. i think. my explain to our kids. it's one that we do on a time so it requires a lot of focus on the art. and the trade and for that reason i like the architecture is not a sprint in the market. i want to show a little clip from a film the yassmin helped us make it easier some years ago it's called rebel architects and you'll teach chick you're teaching a class i don't think this woman comes apart from yourself but you have

a mission in mind and i want to share this clip with everybody this is from rebel architects and this is yeah spent just a few years ago teaching about architecture. if you haven't heard of. one. of them. you know you know you can give you money than we can you know. even more than. young people. when we start. yasmin briefly at the very end of asho how is the brain washing going in pakistan. being i mean is going well let me be getting more and more involved and picking up more and more religious learning to dig of these forty thousand to learn really does know will be the you know the rates this model being applied but i have to say that i really would like

you know that we should really really read that the rest indebted to you basically i don't believe in handouts i believe that people are going to think them so we have to invest into their training and they really would like i need massive amount of help from tech giants because i need communications so you can like google or i don't know microsoft. and they. this is the end of our conversation when i'm impressed that you are using this opportunity as a platform for getting more people involved with fuel style of architecture i appreciate that says here architects able to make the world a better place by responding to climate responding to users and then making it special can lay and yassmin omarion thank you for making this episode of the stream special i will be online always at a.j. stream take a.