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does deliver but politicians can rise above our differences and come together to do what. is the test series for us to do it will determine the future of our country for generations we each have a solemn responsibility to deliver great city and take this country forward i with my whole heart i call on this house to discharge that responsibility to get out and i could manage this closure. order of the house of the fall of december ninth through june really i must know a very warm welcome to the program eights nineteen hundred g.m.t. your watching our jazeera live from london just been hearing from the u.k. prime minister to resign may making a final plea to parliament to support her breaks it deal but to resume a is
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expected to face a crushing defeat as m.p.'s are preparing to vote on her deal for the u.k. to leave the european union come march twenty ninth this is the scene in parliament now we've just been listening to the prime minister also in westminster is laurence lien he is covering all these events and so tonight's vote on trees amaze breaks it deal lawrence is perhaps one of the most historic parliamentary vote in years tell us what we can expect in the coming hours yes he says it is genuinely a moment of history because whatever happens tonight in the coming weeks is going to define the the shape the nature of the united kingdom you know that this is all about what source of country it wants to be does it once or its own is ties with the european union does it actually think it can break free completely and go off with entirely different directions what's its relationship going to be like with foreigners living in this country or what. so the right skins
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a bit of british citizens living in other countries in the future these are very very big and important questions and clearly because parliament has been entirely incapable of coming to any source or joint agreement is made the u.k. look very very bad on the world stage and there you saw to resume a the prime minister saying to these m.p.'s across the house please back my deal because the only alternatives are no deal little crushing out which used to say was better than a bad deal doesn't say that anymore or not leaving the european union at all which she says would be a betrayal of democracy but for all that if that was her best attempts i have to say it's probably going to fall short because didn't really say anything that we didn't already know his donors unless from the campaign group and think things and pretty influence going to be with us for this evening. is that it is not the best you can offer and if so is he going to get anywhere tonight it will get her trees they may as you say offered nothing need tonight and if i just delivered more of
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the same pot to cheese and posters which has been a whole mob for the last two years she talks about the house of commons being a fulcrum of democracy for example but she's on her op now you see bypass and overrule m.p.'s of the last two years they don't trust her she talks about another president a security relationship with the e.u. she must know that that relationship is the one that exists now and there is nothing the e.u. can offer which can ever better it and then she talks about this of giving and peace say she talks about proud but really she sacrificed judaism in favor of ending free move to people if she was a real progeny as she wouldn't be dividing or not even great britain by keeping northern i mean the single market great britain stands outside of there she's just come up with a deal that she says is a compromise that delivers bricks it but doesn't harm the economy too much and yet similar anastasia's managed to ostracize and alienate people who want a much harder form and people to what was a much softer form so how much do you think based on that she's likely to lose by this evening it's really hard to say some people are saying she could lose by eighty votes. some by over two hundred every depends on on on where m.p.'s got
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a bit any idea that a prime minister kate's considerable loss by eighty bodies as some kind of victory which is only a precedented to. history is absurd and it reveals the the kind of unprecedented times we live in eighty votes is a massive loss there's no way she can recover from it and it seems likely that plan b. will be exactly the same as plan a which is another example of cheating holman would tell you to content that she thinks she can do is go to brussels then come back and get the same motion to buy some again just as we're speaking if we get back to the live pictures. forgive me i'm just getting some new information that the labor policy that there was supposed to be amendments just come back to me for a second and a memo from jeremy colvin. voting to resume a's deal down on the basis that it doesn't keep the u.k. in the customs union completely labor has just withdrawn that's amendments and i'm
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told the second amendment which is going to be from the scottish national party in blood to me the welsh nationalists which was to extend article fifty on the grounds that parliament is incapable of moments of coming out of session that spin with drollness well that's really interesting isn't it because for it means that the other two amendments which will now be heard instead of from the hollowed line breck's it says who wants the u.k. to be able to say unilaterally if with that they should be able to leave the european union without any sort of joint agreements in the customs union on this if those terms when they will lead but if they did that would stop they would do them a deal to completely would miss i guess the media implies that the e.u. and the u.k. combine and agree on when the u.k. will leave the customs union absolutely say parliament between dosti the bus stop and then meant that would effectively void the agreement because the whole point of the agreement is to say that the bus stop can all be ended you know laci by. to the
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parties and they say that should be a set for the back story it's interesting the labor in the city which when the members i suspect. that make it says hold the crowd to defeat. the destructive by labor recipes to fix this is they they won't too much the noise the things the government just how did you know it's the government's version yeah. ok john thanks very much ali for now we're going to come back. we'll come back once we get the first of those two amendments which calls for the u.k. to be able to say by itself but it leaves the customs union with the european will talk about will more about the little israel but yes we'll continue our conversation lawrence but as you're mentioning to reason may has been fighting to convince not just the opposition but people from our own party to support her deal she had her final meeting ahead of the vote with her cabinet at her official residence in number ten downing street lauren taylor is that and joins us now and lauren many of tourism a's predecessors have appeared embattled while
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a number ten but her resilience in particular has been tested to an unprecedented level has met how is this going to plan out. yes i think i mean in the past one might have thought well it depends how big the defeat is if it's quite a small defeat that it might be manageable she could go back to brussels and ask for some more concessions and maybe have another vote but i think in general the idea that even if the defeat is big she would then necessarily resign is perhaps not the case in the case of the reason makes as we've seen in the past whenever she's been in a corner she's actually continued to fight so the idea of her resigning at the moment i think is probably unlikely earlier on her spokesman was asked specifically would she quit if she hadn't she did lose the vote and they said that the prime minister is that the government is a servant of the people and she believes passionately that we must deliver on the result of the twenty sixteen referendum so that doesn't sound like somebody who's prepared to step down to regardless of the of the of the figures perhaps and also
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interesting issue even if her party are very annoyed with her and if she does lose in a big way they can oust her they tried that in december with a vote of no confidence in her and they didn't succeed she survived that vote and so as per the rules of the conservative party she is not she can't be challenged in her leadership position for another year having said that you said that miriam should what we do know from what's been said today is that she is going to respond quickly to the vote this evening so we should hear from her one way or another and of course she also has to come back to parliament within three days to say what her plan b. is what we don't know what b. is that's the thing there is a feeling that many people have been excluded she's been criticized for not reaching out to. across the different parties in parliament she's been playing her cards very close to her chest. i think that's right i don't i don't think she's one to to be particularly collegiate and she's an opposition where her cabinet is split the party is bit countries bit parliament is it and so there isn't really
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particularly an obvious way out of this i mean what we what depends what happens next is whether we have a vote of no confidence in the government which germy corben has promised that he will do table it what he hasn't said is when it that that would be now if he were to win a vote of no confidence in the government then he would have fourteen days to be able to show that he can command a majority and have a new government without an election if he does not unable to do that then it would be a general election but the point is he's not necessarily going to get the support from disgruntled tory m.p.'s to vote against a promise to may's government so we could in different situation where there is a big defeat but she's still in power and then beyond that there's the question of maybe a second referendum but the but the path to that certainly isn't clear area it's not on main possibilities thank you very much for now lauren taylor in downing street well in europe in commission president young curry is back in brussels to prepare for emergency meetings if may loses the vote they have
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a change here is that the european union headquarters in the belgian capital and so david can we expect the e.u. to offer any help to tourism a. well the president of the european commission has been back in his office since this often noon he says he will help any emergency talks that may be necessary but just like everybody else it's the arithmetic the parliamentary arithmetic now if the reason may is defeated by more than two hundred votes which many commentators are saying then there's really nothing to discuss but if he she can keep the humiliation down to fifty or eighty votes then there might be something that the european commission and john code you can actually start discussing with us so like all of us he'll be watching the actual vote and deciding what measures to take but tourism is said that she wants to act very quickly off defeat in parliament and that means that perhaps she will be ready to take
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a plane straight here to brussels to have emergency talks with john told you but she has gotten calls parliamentary questions to deal with tomorrow will she hand that over to a deputy or will she come straight here as i say depends on the arithmetic but many people have been saying that there is simply no chance of any new solutions on the table it's taken more than two years to reach this deal and in three days time can she get back to plan b. to pull paul polman next week everybody very much doubt that especially here in brussels all they can offer more reassurances on the backstops deal and reassurances are not enough for the m.p.'s the brics it isn't the skeptics they want something with a leak with the legal backing that's what they need so the options are not rowing all the time and there may be very little for it to resume
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a the british prime minister to discuss with the euro european commission junko dmca and nevertheless she will have to go through with that because she'd thousand need to come up with a plan b. very quick all right thank you very much for now from brussels david is there laurence least still following events for us at the house of commons in westminster now we were speaking before it emerged that a couple of the amendments had been removed so it seems as though there is going to be a much bigger focus tonight on to reason may's deal on perhaps the scale of defeat or the scale of opposition to that deal but right now there is an amendment they're voting on an amendment to britain to have the unilateral right to exit that backstop arrangement with with northern ireland. yes and that's amendments is almost certainly bounces fail because all the opposition passes and indeed
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a sufficient number of concession piece will votes against states suit voted down and remember if that's amend the us a pos to allow the u.k. unilaterally soon to leave their customs union without the u.k. did without the european union agreeing to its it would basically destroy sarees a maze deal anyway there in the division lobbies at the moment and within i should think three or four minutes what will happen is that the that the tellers the people who had the votes up will come back in from behind the speaker's chair and then will stand in in front of the speaker and if there is all the while we're just waiting for it to happen let's bring john list from british influence back in just about jeremy colvin just just for a second to john. what exactly is his position on breakfast because so many people say if the labor policy supported a second referendum or staying in the european union then that would unlock the whole of this thing because there are sufficient number of concerns and piece it would but that position and it would be
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a clear line through to result wouldn't it and yet he doesn't seem to want to do that he doesn't want to do that and he's also very favorite of doing it because he's very mindful of the labor leave very serious loss of labor and leave seats in twenty seventeen or twenty sixteen as well and say he doesn't want to alienate those voters now report after report show us that she did majority of labor votes in the seas i remain is that actually going coming out for main would be good for him but the problem jeremy coburn has is that he passed he doesn't want a second referendum and he seems to be reconciled to bracks it and so there's a real problem brewing between him and his party by the party policy says that if you can get a general election he's to go for a second referendum but coleman himself will resist whiteface me and city as he has to move very often say is that people voted leave and we must deliver bricks it because the people. should leave i mean you know you can argue all day whether it was the people or whether it was any thirty five percent of the insoluble bill
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ation or a majority of the people who did vote on the day but a lot of the polling seems to suggest that people may now be changing their minds because they're so fearful of no deal do you get the sense that there's been a shift in the pinion absolutely ever since the summer. of quite major studies published by respectable institutions which is showing that there's a majority for a final say referendum obviously that depends on the question that you are asked but there is a majority when you all stop taking a question there is a majority for maine as well by anything from so fifty state to six percent now obviously that's not a landslide any in a campaign anything could happen but so far it seems that people are not satisfied with a deal that has been struck they're not such spice with a price that was promised and they know it's not going to be delivered and they want another say in terms of the choreography of tonight's once the deal when once the vote on sarees amaze deal happens which we now expect to be probably within a quarter now is twenty minutes or so she's expected then to stand up and say something more or less straight away and once she said that which was seems to be thanks very much and back off decision. then do you think jeremy colvin will use
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the machines to nights to say i'm calling for votes in the commons in the government's vote then what happens tomorrow wednesday he'll do you think you'll buy his time because he knows you'll actually lose that vote the moment i think the labor night is they going to lose it the first time a coalition member there's no limits the number of times that the opposition can cool down motion a conference a few leases tonight he can call it again but certainly he has he's not he has any unlimited number of chances politically if you lose credibility if he was in the same question absolutely i don't see the labor party would that be press aide to move on to the next the next stage on the plan which is to support second referendum so he's going to want to use their use sparingly but i think that labor has now said that they will they will call on imminently if not tonight then certainly this week and say there's very little wiggle room in that case but i think it's that state. you will not win that but now the thing is that if theresa may dollars ever get her deal through she's toast in that way as well because then
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the d.p. will withdraw its confidence and now a labor will win a motion a confidence and that is going to spell disaster the government is that of a general election and that would happen before march twenty ninth absolutely because if she manages to get a deal three first i would have to extend article fifty anyway to get the legislation through but then the d.p. would be in race and then they would almost certainly withhold their support from the government so is a sense in which it was so all of this things this is happening so this is something of a shirov because each if she can get this deal through whatever happens is always saying if she if she doesn't get the deal three where instead promises parliament to rule out no deal with that leaves us with radio the two options a general election or kind of a second referendum and if she does get the deal through then the government fools there's a general election a new parliament and government returns and then potentially the numbers are very different and then we have to go through this process will over again so really even if she does get the deal through that is only the beginning of our problems
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and at the moment it just doesn't seem at all possible that she'd get any kind of a deal through thanks for that state up but she of the time being. ok thanks. all right thanks very much for now lawrence and this is the scene right now in the house of commons where just in the process of voting on an amendment this an amendment specifically which says that the bricks it deal must be changed to give in the unilateral right to exit the northern irish backstop so that result is expected in a couple of minutes but just just about fifteen minutes ago or so we learned that a couple of the amendments had been have been withdrawn so they're not going to be tabled atoll and that puts much more of a focus on the trees in may deal tonight and that vote is going to be probably happening a bit earlier than expected and lawrence your following all of these developments
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there outside the houses of parliament for us and it's interesting that even before this vote has taken place the debate had already turned to what happens next and the sort of level of uncertainty this could result in not just for some reason may and her own political future but of course how it could change the entire course of bricks it. well yes and you know one of the arguments that ahd been using for some months now and other people have as well is is this this this mess of four of a circular firing squad or a mexican standoff way you have all these different i mean there are a least five different factions inside politicians from those on the extreme right see once of fall out of the european union with no deal those is about to resume a sale which is sort of enough out those jeremy colvin and others who want. a softer one say in the customs union those who want to allow freedom of movement a so-called norway jail and those who don't want it to happen at all and and they
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keep cancelling each other out that's the problem and there's no majority in parliament for any of those things to happen and you know another metaphor you could use is it's a bit like a maze with no exits for that that's where they're stuck at the moment and you know a some points someone's guns that something's going to have to give in someone's going to have to say ok well fine i'm prepared to soften my position or change my position and align myself with this other grouping as well and this appears to be happening behind the scenes at the moment we're told there are backstairs talks going on between a guy called only robin soused the reason is chief bracks in the guy. who seems already to be trying to reach out to groups of politicians not just from the conservative policy but across the other political parties as well and saying to them other any grounds on which we could support. and if we do this then then might we be able to get something of a some kind of breakfast on whatever basis he sees that has some sort of majority
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and it may even be the case in the coming weeks it's not actually politicians who are tasked with organizing they split civil servants if you like not elected mandarins inside governments who seem to be slightly more neutral by apps and can stop some of the anger in the bickering going on between the different policies in china. get them to sit position where they could agree some sort of way through but at the moment it's very difficult to see where that where that is because all i've heard of the last two or three days of the debates are m.p.'s from all sides restating exactly the positions that they've hells week of the week and month to month and almost no m.p.'s have changed position and certainly very few have had have been saying they they wouldn't support may and then turn around and said that they probably will now. in the interests of compromise and so it's very difficult to see what's going to happen but something is going to have to happen because if it doesn't if either got no deal and leaving that that that this is the cliff edge
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scenarios people say or actually no bricks it and that's what's the reason they said to so tonight isn't going to resolve any of those problems but what it will too is clear the way for i think a bigger conversation inside parliament's about how they actually get through this mess without no brakes at all no deal and that's the problem isn't it aren't it feels very much like an echo chamber at the moment with all the same positions being reinforced all the same arguments being restated and it be very interesting to see how this attempt by the civil servants to sort through to sort through all the possible options is likely to play out because it's not clear what option if any will command a majority in the house of commons. no another of them do at the moment and frankly there is a problem with many m.p.'s and this is mostly true of labor m.p.'s who all voted
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remained in the referendum but that constituency still voted leave and they've suddenly turned into devout leaves and saying we have to respect the result of the referendum and many cynics suspect that they're only saying that because they want to hold power and not to not lose their seat and so you know how how how if you support remain as an m.p. in the rest do you do you then explain i don't think. the r.'s to the right were twenty four. the nose to the left for six hundred. the no use to the right twenty fourth the news to the left six hundred thirty the nose have it the names have it oh no thank you. for the. order. you can be by now put the main question
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to the house the main question in the name of the prime minister the question is the main motion in the name of the prime minister as many as are of out of pity and say oh i was over the country now. a little over. right so a remarkable difference in the numbers that lawrence not sure if you could hear that bought some six hundred u.k. lawmakers vote voted against this amendment only twenty four u.k. lawmaker has voted for the amendment and this specifically is the amendment which would say that the deal to reason may's deal would be changed to give birth to
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a unilateral right to exit the northern irish backstop this would be the arrangement that would prevent a hard border this is one of the most contentious aspects of the deal. yep so basically what that vote says is that there is absolutely no appetite whatsoever at the moments inside politicians apart from a few real diet. hard line breaks it is for scrapping to raise a maze daily entirely at the moment you know so at last the by the most crushing defeat imaginable what what what could plainly what it says is the m.p. is now going back into the vision of his now to vote on sarees amaze deal ok so that's going to happen now with the next five or ten minutes we'll find out exactly what the scale of her defeat is but you know it effectively says there is very little appetite inside parliaments for saying to the european union get stuffs
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we're going to leave customs in agreement with you whenever we feel like ok you know so in that sense you could all get it's a tiny bits of good news for some reason maybe because at least it suggests that people want to keep a conversation going with the european if that's ongoing or at least get some sort of clarity from the european union as to what basis the e.u. and the u.k. could unlock that trade arrangements by twenty twenty or twenty twenty one but just bring jonas back in just for a quick thoughts about what what what what you made of all that six hundred against twenty four i mean so much for so much hard line practices or yeah we we really meet these the honest about what's happening now no deal is simply not an option the government has been throwing billions of pounds into us annoying which they have the power not to implement on which the parliament will do absolutely everything it can to describe it i have a rule so let's assume forget no deal now they will either be
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a deal the two parties with those two options in mind that we need to get food ok. it's about five minutes from now they'll come back in and we will find out what's the. to resume a negotiated deal indeed that low coming a bit earlier than expected off the certain changes or amendments to the deal have been scrapped in just the last few minutes so we will get a result on the whether the reason may is likely to get m.p.'s on side the expectation is that she will face defeat there in the house of commons as m.p.'s vote on withdrawal deal on the tums of britain's withdrawal from the e.u. but now more than fifty seven percent of the people in the city of dobby voted in favor of breaks it and the twenty sixteen referendum and a wood is gauging public opinion there and then a what have you been hearing. well mari and what happens in westminster
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tonight will have far reaching implications for places like darby this is one of the u.k.'s economic hub the home of manufacturing big names like toyota a base to many of the people who come to this club have connections to the automotive industry it provides thousands of jobs and of course through a strong trade ties to europe now throughout the evening we've been sort of trying to gauge opinion from three different people they are kavita oberoi who is a businesswoman and entrepreneur calvin simpson the secretary of the club who also used to work for rolls royce for many years a micro hosting university student at the university of darby now to reason they were saying that a vote against a deal really is a vote for uncertainty with that worry you if it doesn't go through tonight yeah i mean i personally there's his reign and i think you know what's happened in the last two years has been quite symbolic and i think the situation we are now in is
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very critical and i think whatever people's opinion are now i do agree that we need some form of certainty so i would rather that we do get a deal rather than a no deal potentially another challenge to the government which i don't think would be very good for the country at all. calvin you voted to leave but i know you've kind of you voted to leave because of the offer of money for the n.h.s. but now what are your sort of things about it i have a feeling it's still the same i still think we should leave. i don't understand why it's been so messy. all the way along for the last two years. and i feel a lot of people are coming to this club probably affected by the note. and the uncertainty of jobs going forward why do you think we will be better outside europe than by we i mean the u.k. . got to do it. because up to the concrete thing we could bring more production back into this country we. but the skills within this country to do anything next
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need to be gone so i feel that we we should leave my he would do you to graduate this year aren't you are you worried about what the future might hold on deeply worried about what the future might hold or the economic forecasters say we will be worse off outside of the e.u. regardless of the deal we have whether it's extremely close perhaps in norway option or the clean break or with the congress or agreement that no deal breaker would be disastrous for the country that's not just economists us politicians and to resume his cabinet i'm brought in people like that. yeah we're talking about the earth manufacturing industry the british run a factory and see industry relies heavily on integrate to supply chains. rely on seamless tariffs with goods going across the border constantly and comedy fractures of said time and time again jaguar land rover toyota rolls royce they've all said if the single market if it brings us to the single market is disruptive then that
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will it have it their ability to trade and that will therefore mean they're going to invest less and cut jobs in this country which is not what we want but the reason the way forward is to actually would boost british manufacturing which it does i agree with we definitely need is to invest from sting significantly increased investment from central government and even the e.u. isn't going to solve their problems it's going to make it worse what you've been disappointed by the way british politicians have behaved during the last two and a half years what i mean it's been for some year i've been absolutely appalled thought i was up in the really kind of showing that comes to the fore and shown the kind of. show that all cars really it's take off what they believe in at a subaru or a ferrari recently you've been under intense criticism i am going to leave it there for now but we'll come back to you throughout the evening thanks so much for joining us here on out to say i was there about the now back here in studio now.
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thank you very much i am here with their friends in darby and this is the scene now in westminster where there has just been one vote on a change but that appears to have gone perhaps to reason may's way because lawmakers m.p.'s from her own party tried to force the government to change it deal to make it conditional on britain having the unilateral right to end the so-called northern irish backstop this is the the mechanism that is in place to prevent a hard border and so she and that would have been very this is one of those contentious parts of the series in may's withdrawal withdrawal deal and that would have been very controversial but that has been voted down by a huge margin parliament voted some six hundred versus twenty four against the amendments laurence lees following all of this for us in westminster and now we
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await the final vote on the terms of britain's withdrawal from the european union this deal that reason they struck with her you count. yes and just only amendment is just what it is quite remarkable actually because there was so many supporters of a hard bracks it's all particularly conservative these who said that they absolutely hated the facts that the european union would be able to effectively have a veto over the u.k. leaving the customs union this trading arrangement and they were imploring stories of major changes and to more on that the european union say legally that the u.k. would have the right to live what it felt like it and that's why it's a reason they kept going back and forwards across a little bit on to speak to these people she couldn't go anywhere with them then she had a colleague and they were with them you know this is this is and they're in the end only twenty four employees you have to assume all concern.
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