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tv   Javier Solana  Al Jazeera  February 18, 2019 5:33pm-6:00pm +03

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the week began with a ninety day truce in the us china trade. the world's largest supplier of liquefied natural gas is leaving the biggest oil cartel we bring you the stories shaping the economic world we live in counting the cost on al-jazeera. after having everybody here to it and you have a certain side that almost potential doesn't exist pretty much potential doesn't exist so unless we're going to have something that we all agree to we can't be put at the disadvantage of going by a treaty limiting what we do when somebody else doesn't go by that treaty. our american partners stated they will stop their participation in the treaty so we
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will also stop they stated that they will do research and development of arms so we will also do the same. president trump and president putin announcing their intention to withdraw in six months from the intermediate nuclear forces treaty banning short and medium range missiles capable of carrying conventional or nuclear war this is the first meeting with dreams russian made took has been to my mind to be a success the former secretary general of nato javier solana presided over the first joint meeting between russia and nato in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven many festing and i'm to cool war era he also served as foreign policy chief dealing with burning issues affecting european security and military matters at the time such as the war in kosovo in one thousand nine hundred nine do think the president made the right decision no i don't think he made the right decision he is one of
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the most experienced european diplomats and he is concerned about the consequences of the trump and putin and that's meant. to tell you the truth earlier today he talks to al-jazeera. for years russia has violated the terms of the intermediate range nuclear forces three. without remorse the united states will therefore suspend its obligations under the and have treaty effective february second. the decision by washington and moscow in early february to quit the treaty had been in the works for some time nevertheless the implications for the global balance of power can be very serious according to the official american version president trump made his decision after russia developed a class of missiles called eight that americans say is banned by the agreement what did the russians do wrong because this is something that president obama had
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already brought up there was already he voiced his. discontent with i say with moscow and then president trump took this bold step what did the russians actually do well. both that. the russians have produced you. already knew. that. the range of the intermediate. took. i have to be very sure that. they don't. react. let me say with the heaviest reaction the nuclear reaction to the nuclear problem. it's play with
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a lot of cart so i don't think we should play with ask our. or nuclear match to play with we don't have to play but we have to just. debate talk until the very very end and and i think we should. have a machine called. the russians to. be. seen on allies in phosphor really and a license. to marry and to for just liberty and before taking this this is because we are kind of witnessing is tit for tat action reaction president trouble makes one announcement then president vladimir putin says well in that case we're pulling out too and we're going to go ahead with our plans these it's for to play about other things but not to to.
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blame procedures thank you and have treaty was signed by us president ronald reagan and soviet leader mikhail gorbachev in one thousand seven it was the result of high stakes diplomacy and military maneuvers threatening to reignite the cold war which was a radio at that point. it all started in one nine hundred seventy six when the soviet union placed s s twenty missiles on its territory capable of carrying nuclear warheads with a range of about five thousand kilometers unlike intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the united states yes says twenty missile was designed to reach targets mainly in europe but at that time western europe had no similar weapons capable of reaching the soviet union and therefore was unable to restore
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military balance nobody wants them back no you have to have a good weapon this is so this is something that has functioned quintus use it for third countries like the you been you know in this case we are live on the really very diminished part like the german leader at the time chancellor helmut schmidt pleaded with the united states to counter the move initially hesitant the americans started negotiating with the soviets hoping to reach an agreement but with no progress the reagan administration moved to deploy american medium range missiles the pershing two to western europe i. not everyone welcomed the move while the political leadership was in agreement some in berlin and london took two districts protesting the deployment of american
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missiles. this is the moment all the people with the sense to know that you clear weapons are made by human beings nuclear weapons must be dismantled by human beings that is the code of common sense. unable to keep up with the cost the arms race the soviet union back down inside the i.n.f. treaty with the us it had taken almost ten years the numbers alone demonstrate the value of this agreement on the soviet side over fifteen hundred deployed warheads will be removed and all ground launched intermediate range missiles including the s.s. twenty's will be destroyed. on our side our entire complement of pershing two and ground launch cruise missiles with some four hundred deployed warheads will all be destroyed the agreement like all agreements between two parties required
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a basic trust between the two superpowers but it went only so far we have listened to the wisdom of in the russian maxim and i'm sure you're familiar with it. my smith to general secretary though my pronunciation may give you difficulty. the maxim is no provia i trust but verify feel. like there's this treaty with the boat that is. going to be to pick up i. and now is there any of the trust left it's a break and trust but it's also i'm supposing that that treated the first base took a lot of hard work to british and cited together yes so. if it really breaks we didn't be realistic to think that these two parties and others
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would sit together in one room let me go again with nuclear. we have. a nuclear problem with iran and i very much and that. of the united states. when back. now we are trying to see how it would look at where do you doing today the human spirit. of nuclear material. in a positive manner by talking. talking and talking and talking to put a lot of thought. and then he was. trying. to date the secretary general of nato is e n stoltenberg he welcomed the move by president trump he said quote russia is in material breach of the i.n.f.
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treaty and must use the next six months to return to full and verifiable compliance or bear saul responsibility for its demise need to fully supports the u.s. suspension and notification of withdrawal from the treaty secretary-general mr stoltenberg seemed to have quite a welcoming statement about the move by the trumpet ministration to temporarily suspend the i.m.f. but i'm wondering in berlin paris in other european capitals. people must be worried and wondering what happened next is because i mean they need to work because that is possible to change their mind or rush. in.
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a different position i think that we have to do much more in order to try and attract and keep pushing push these. steps in the wrong direction. perforation away but it isn't what it is but this is the type of thing that in the . here we're living in a twenty first century should not happen the m.f. dispute comes in the middle of political tension between president trump and some european leaders first in november twenty eighth french president emmanuel mccall followed by german chancellor angela merkel said it was time for europe to create its own army implying american military support could no longer be taken for granted also foxworth about some of it in military life i just want photo here but just didn't want us to ever visit the flag there are both of us
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then let than you thought. i know thoughtless of and. here's me too soft. actually. live. only. in a. democratic. does it is need to mimic. because of world because you don't turn and see the men. gauntleted the disarmament give it a preacher up in a pillar. when you does and they could have given up a lot key on the. security one partition. soon this it but i've worked in for the army or been president we seek it and of. not much of
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a constraint of the good of the security because respect get up there in the army won't do of well we know obviously for the service on the panel so moderate as you need it the many of. you think the president mark or france has a point when he says the europeans should create their own army i think we have we need to have the europeans more european cup abilities. i mean i don't i'm i'm looking troll much and i don't want to go into an army i don't see the european union marching on after the flag of the european union no i don't see that but i see very clearly that we have to be much more interoperable much more integrated i would come abilities and we have the possibility of acting acting. in a strategic manner along with everybody military right then right. enter
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into. security march more interconnected which means for instance where. we. are not germany should not buy. weapons in. russia the united states or china even truly but they have to talk with mean you so i believe you've been union have utopian abilities so you said you believe in that for quite a while now yes in today's world with what we're seeing all these international agreements fragile and falling apart being suspended you think it's become a priority for europe for europe is a priority yes it's a priori to be able to and to possibility of the family will act and i would say the european union will never go to war as you say you would be as
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a country this is not the case but we have to defend ourselves and we have to be ready. to respond. and somebody takes decisions. affect us. but there's another side of the story and never has until now effectively limited the ability of the u.s. to counter moves by other nations to develop and police short or medium rain. missiles around the world. when the agreement was signed for example china was still a developing nation with a small economy it had nuclear weapons but its conventional military was limited and it's not a party to the i.m.f. . today china is the largest economy in the world and its military might is growing it includes short and medium range missiles north korea and iran have also developed similar weapons leaving the n f would in theory free up the u.s.
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to counter these rising military powers more effectively another way to see it it could potentially ignite an arms race but trump says he wants a new and improved agreement maybe the i.m.f. should have been up to date to have ok. i mean for for. for most of the country i think that. the treaty treaty. i wouldn't say was forgotten but nobody. naive maybe that. treaty would change because as he said it's a treaty that. makes the nuclear matter something much more dangerous because range in the medium range of nuclear weapons imagine if we continue on that path if
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you go to to a usual nuclear would push even for a shorter range i mean really that world and you can you can do that with you for things that. he would be really dramatic food world and we thought become positively and rich borne the trend which is the deterrence is really what the nuclear weapon brass. so i think. i'm very very very sad that that looks saw so bad it's think it would have only dangerous as well then you do it in the near fact of having. playing with the distance. by these maybe the russians or them early maybe to get out of the treaty it is a sign of dramatic breaking up of. t.v.
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trucks which i'm sorry i'm very formal on this word order as we know it since you were aboard basic right. there things. that we have the possibility. even greece can something to move from here to there but then think we should touch first or you have to add countries obviously it's old but very importantly one side has not been adhering to it we have but one side has it so let's think that it would here we should be the only one i hope that we're able to get everybody in a very big and beautiful room and do a new treaty that would be much better but certainly i would like to see that but you have to have everybody here to it and you have a certain side that almost pretends it doesn't exist pretty much pretends it doesn't exist so unless we're going to have something that we all agree to we can't
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be put at the disadvantage of going by a treaty limiting what we do when somebody else doesn't go by that treaty president trump said that he is open to a new meeting in his words in a big group with more participants presumably he is thinking among others about china but how realistic is that it must be very difficult to bring that kind of treaty about now look at the moment we have big family groups that have to his respects and provide him provided by those who can provide it will be the international community stability but nuclear climate change. which climate change. poverty is still. under issues that can. do we cannot make
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a mistake in that we have proclaimed in to break that it's a very seduce big i think they do agree or blame it. very risky decision they think that the negotiations continue. very driskill but they do the real the end and it was one of the builders of the end of the cold war which is destruction. risky risky risky thing to do because think about. the treaties what transfers are allowed to them never to have to end a nuclear level between japan and china or between in china and something of a nuclear nuclear and now we open another situation another condition
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whereby this type of scene may happen. so we enter into completely different line in the nuclear to make. the russians displaying them military power these weapons have been used by the russians in the war in syria leading to this question could be end of the i.n.f. treaty impacts regional conflicts around the world and not just the overall balance of power between the two superpowers. there is those of conflicts in this world where. the russian to us are they're pulling their own strings ukraine comes to mind syria comes to mind when. the syrian green i'm not to say yes they're not the same conflict but both sides have interests. when you reach a point where the diplomatic relations are so tense and the threat of breaking up
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treaties. would that have an impact on what is happening on the ground on the day of the fighting on the ground in ukraine or in any other place but is no doubt a clever thing every decision that has a military backed get drunk countries morning morning tense the countries which have created the problem are also involved in that the third could third conflict a grain of and the problem of drain russia this clearly there in the european union are clear that. russia is clear that they're the united states is clearly there but to say that they're going out they're going to remove this truck troops from on the ground. and direct in direct contact with the city so it's not the same exact same and in any case
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i think that we would reopen at the same time. train into nuclear of this treaty that we're talking about and. maybe if we open the sanctions may be applied in a short period of time i think we enter into unknown territory. to gether with in the economy which is not going to speed is decreasing the speed of growth. i mean did you put all these things together he's up for the twenty three and the twenty percent true which objectivity objectively could be a very. very gruesome dream center in which the. life expectancy is going to skyrocket to move from tassie poverty's been dreamin is only
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things which are good at taking place at the same time to put all these of risk for something we tease objectively south. well we have six months to see where this is all heading. when we have many more conversation like this to. be called to the table when did they mention that hi thank you very much mr javier solana and thank you very last february to the ship.
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and the. u.s. and british companies have announced the biggest discovery of west africa but what to do with these untapped resources is already a source of heated debate nothing much has changed they still spend most of the days looking forward to for a dry riverbed like this one five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the war . going green bacteria in a. gas escape. and the threat for how to experiment. and. how. the
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