fairly slow to track down the killer. al-jazeera world reveals the truth about the deaths linked by a single weapon the involvement of the far right and the serious political fallout that ends you the cheska murderous case solved on al-jazeera. he was a student leader in malaysia and the one nine hundred seventy s. then and were abraham became the right hand man of mahathir mohamad during his first time as prime minister in the one nine hundred ninety s. but they ended their alliance due to differences caused by the growing financial crisis in southeast asia in one thousand nine hundred seven and off to abraham accuse the prime minister of corruption ever ham was sacked from the government the following year but he didn't go quietly and lead a series of protests against maha tears leadership abraham was eventually imprisoned on sodomy charges and released when the accusations were partially

dismissed after his release he really entered politics and run against. who became the next prime minister and the move seen by many as politically motivated abraham was once again jailed on sodomy charges but after international condemnations he received a role pardon from the malaysian king and was released from prison inmate twenty eighteen having now become an opposition leader in the process. in between his jail terms abraham began campaigning for an opposition party formally headed by his wife the people's justice party the party is reformist agenda gained a lot of popularity amongst the public after being pardoned and released. and his once political ally mohammed decided to put that pos differences behind them abraham joins him had tears coalition the so-called alliance for hope in may last

year the coalition's electoral victory ended najib results rule although technically he is not part of the new government mahathir mohamad had promised to hand over the job the prime minister to abraham in two years' time so off to such a bumpy journey what were his political ambitions from the. and given the ongoing corruption trial of former prime minister najib razak who allegedly stole billions of dollars of public funds what are his plans for cleaning up malaysia's political system and why abraham talks to al-jazeera. her son over him thank you very much for talking to our does iraq after almost twenty years being spent either behind bars or fighting for your freedom you are now back in public office the younger and more brahim that was once seen as by many as the future of malaysia is now seventy years old. yet your to be the next prime minister what is it that you are offering to malaysians where we came in with

a clear agenda for the fall a country must mature as a democracy vibrant in the sense that we promote. such as judicial independence for the media a country can get which is effectively the it itself of corruption and demi come upson and that in the economic policy that is there proposed growth by the same time would not tolerate poverty in the midst of plenty and gross inequality well this agenda of reform is centered on the problematic issue within demick issue of corruption and when you were sacked from government by matter mohamed in the late one thousand nine thousand you accuse the government back then of corruption it's now two thousand and nineteen and malaysia's economy has been crippled arguably by one of the biggest corruption scandals in the world that's of one of the b.

which is the state's investment fund and the embezzlement of hundreds of millions of dollars. what's the latest on this case and how much of the money have your governments been able to recover we believe a slow process but we're fortunate because we're getting full support from authorities the department of justice in the states or dylan and we need their cooperation because a big international scandal that involves not only the government called but also complicity of the crime by say. listen to the delight was fine so very complex but. target is of course to recoup billions of dollars lost probably not in full but i think we will have to be very very clear that we are determined to get the funds back and have you been able to get at least some of that back or still a process even we'll talk about goldman sachs and others in a bit but in terms of the money that was seized from the former prime minister

najib razak and other individuals have you been able to get some of that money back you know we have added to fight but there are some funds with the department of justice their legal process is continuing. commitment when it was issues with the goldman sachs which i think will certainly bring back the funds but i think the process is quite in there but it in terms of the legal or procedural issues or whether we said this fight with amount given to us well let's talk about goldman sachs because they're accused of essentially criminal activity right that they were involved in issuing a foreign bond worth hundreds of millions of dollars or more than six hundred millions six hundred million dollars with regards to that case goldman sachs is a global banking giant. obviously these huge corporations they're not just massive in terms of business but also in political clout so how confident are you

that you're going to be able to get that money from goldman sachs and if you're unable to what's. measures will you be taking to punish them for what is stealing malaysia six seven million is purely commission which is out to regis but. the entire process in dealing with the country. company the one m.d. be. using the expertise the so-called expertise of the national financial institutions is of course something that we are pursuing vigorously right now of course we are in the midst of. personal stations or litigations and these are in malaysia or in the you know you militia in the united states but i think. certainly we'll get. the money back we're not certain to what extent of course we start resists hundred million because there's

a commission but they were complicit to the crime and therefore they have to pay because we suffer the loss we then had this rotten image internationally is affected the confidence of investors and we must hold government sex other than from a promise in the deep into account the lesson must be learnt that this so-called corruption involving governments can only have been infected fully with the complicity with many of the international financial institutions so this talk about capitalism without doing it got too effective that listens and these big conglomerates can do what they would they like must end and i think it must be credit to listen of all of these now for taking a very tough stance well as you say obviously this stuff the corruption of the governments can top and without the help of such because persians also can't help happen without the help or at least implicit assistance of sorts of governments as

well that pursue their interests when we're talking about for example najib razak when you're talking about six hundred eighty one million dollars that's was found in his account he claimed that was a gift from saudi arabia to help him with an election campaign my question here is if indeed he's telling the truth and this is a gift from saudi arabia that means saudi arabia has essentially been interfering in a. blatant men are with their. religious domestic authorities and if he's not telling the truth then saudi arabia is still interfering by providing him with an alibi what's your take on the move the sound of course was explained although this he does at one point as he does not involve the government some people in the private sector or one none was tending all the rules we must be transparent they must be held accountable they must explain because in their deep clearly said the money comes from saudi arabia all the neat he did return them but i think if for us it is for being charge in court now he has to explain and defend himself he

has admitted by the way he has any meters that the prime minister can receive two point six billion being get into his personal account which to me is clearly a crime is a corrupt practice but because it involves some personalities or thought of the insult we must hole that person or that entity into account so why have their malaysian government not done that yet why have they not officially asked for the saudis to explain themselves that we are new in the process of. the court it is therefore for when i do come for the disadvantaged defense we will of course pursue this but saudi arabia isn't the only gulf country with links to this corruption scandal. there is another chief suspect in this a man named john wood now who has been described as a close confidante of prince mohammed bin zayed now since the criminal case began

johnno has essentially disappeared and there are rumors that he might in fact be in the united arab emirates have you requested or has the malaysian government requested from abu dhabi to give them information with regards to the whereabouts or. we have no indication that he's well. about something because in china. but we don't have a case to pinpoint any particular country but the. authorities we involved in the initial deal of the way might be transparent it must be proper or not but this is now being investigated. and i want to start this once and if you become prime minister you will pursue this personally i think the demolition people because we threw out. the a corrupt regime partly due to the involvement which was just. the major part was

the one im d.b.'s scandal but of course there were a lot of religious responsible actions taken by him and his colleagues but i don't think the present leadership and when i assume office and. in any of the cover up the crimes against the people of malaysia a few weeks ago prime minister mahathir said that he would never allow for an israeli sports team turn to malaysia because of the continued to legal corporation of palestine continued war crimes being committed by the israeli army is this a policy that you will continue if and when you become prime minister our foreign policy is clear and consistent we demand the right for the palestinians we consider the issue of palestine as politics of dispossession the people and the property being stolen or dropped by the authorities about the authorities and the

international community seems just hapless because we continue to intercede. and aggression on the part of the israeli government so my have this thought that at least in what ever we possible because all evidence has been exhausted and saw this the way in involved sports it is only message they we can send these. so i know authorities and doing the international community which has been somewhat me. again the atrocities inflict that against the palestinian people ok let's go back to domestic politics your wife now serves as deputy prime minister to the man who is responsible for two decades worth of heartache for her or yourself and your family your one time mentor martyr muhammad to imprison you now. before an essentially try to tarnish your reputation or even destroy your political career you and him are now allies again on a personal level how is it that you been able to overcome all of this pain and

suffering and are able to work together with him. deny the fact that it was painful and difficult i've said it publicly but when i had the approach and wanted to work together to save the country from endemic corruption and abuse of power. he believe in i shays conviction that without we in the opposition forces working together would be unsurmountable but this is the man who you're saying came to you to save the country from a problem that you warned him against yes well between my personal feelings and. sufferings and the interests of the state i think the interests of the state and the people explicit and i mean that's my position and to give credit to bob that he has showed his firm commitment to forty four

against corruption and the agenda set forth by a that a form. the parties prior to the elections and i think. given his time in ninety two when he came to see me. with a new these new sense of commitment to his all i think he should be given the credit and the chance to go to ceased i mean allow me true maybe play devil's advocate here because i interviewed permit somehow to a few months ago i asked him point blank do you regret what you did try and worry about him and he explicitly didn't say he said he acted on the information he had so he didn't really say he regrets it he didn't apologize at least he didn't justify it at the same time you just tried to give it some sort of reasoning. you know people can demand also think that the fact that he came to see me when i was

in prison although he's caught. and he publicly said that you know we must think anew and the family re appreciate all we understand they called news of the fate of his sufferings for two decades i mean to me is more than enough what is more important is not my personal ego or you know to to to. satisfy my my serve that this man has now come and there's no need to me to me is enough the signal is enough the fact that he's prepared to work together the fact that he's committed to that for me the fact he came to see me to me is sufficient because we have to move on and gender is more important than an was personal predicament well about moving on the agreement that you both reach was that matter would initially become prime minister if your coalition won the elections of two

thousand and eighteen which you did and that you would hand over power but what's interesting is that everyone's talking about a two year period that you would hold on for years and give it you but was never really explicitly agreed was it two years. no if you look at the. to pull it in no uncertain terms that he would be prime minister as deputy prime minister there was the pardon that normal coming so i think the understanding is clear and i don't think it is why it's. a specific date and we do discuss i mean that as far back as two weeks ago i did discuss with him. he asked me but i do think is why it's because once you. clear date then the six months prior to that you would be a lame duck prime minister so let him let him and then move on i give him full support in the us mint we continue to engage in establishing is working effective appall and wait for the appropriate time then they're moving well it seems at least

based on the media reports and the comments made even by prominent about your the true euro deal maybe that came about arbitrarily but the question is that many people will be wondering is what guarantees are there that you will stick to handing over those two years or three years or what whatever because firstly there is already some warning signs amongst your supporters or members of your party for example who are expecting certain cabinet positions to be given to your allies and said they were given to prime minister had tears now for somebody as i mean this in a respectful way is coming as a political kind of as much here is he's been in politics for how many decades and survived all of this surely it would be naive to assume that it is a given suddenly that you know come two years or eighteen months or however much that he will suddenly say ok. if you're going to be fair to him he has to lead to

a number of times that he will the only power. in two years i think this sufficient but he's also said if the people want me to stay then i'll state no i think people are taken out of context because he says finally the people decide to just rule i assume. the elections and the people decide fair but i think in terms of the make additions of a few either within the party or the but the. democratic process of what they will be attempts i don't claim to be given one hundred percent support even within the good inquisition some will feel the position to threaten that some with the old we are doing things will be checked and i don't deny that because i come as an essentially is a reformer and they have started it and i think i need to complete that process

let's broaden out a bit more to the region and you have been a very strong critic of suchi. of myanmar. malaysia has been at the forefront together with chuck and a few other countries in terms of providing relief for the wearing of muslim refugees. what is your stance with regards to what's happening there in terms of accusations of i think cleansing through the muslim minority in myanmar. it has been established for international community observers international media about ethnic cleansing against the who yes well it is. pathetic. to see the least that some people tend to even try and deny this. one you must remember they also was given for support by muslims in burma by muslims in the region then millicent by me as i was a great proponent of i mean while she was

a political person yes yes very strongly and we didn't consider her with the bodies almost just girls injustice and oppressive oppression against her and her party no for her to deny this or even to try and get that out it's not acceptable for what kind of bodies would you seek something through the security council would you seek something through the far eastern blocks or about what kind of practical steps you think can be taken to actually protect these people and allow them to return to their homes i think we should utilize all. see on or the united nations or even the international community to just pick up big demands known. there is another issue of. either ethnic cleansing or the targeting of. i think muslims and that's in one of your crosses trading partners

and allies in china and the weaker muslims there you had made statements about that as well malaysia has a very deep working relationship with china you yourself visited. the past few months. what can be done in order to also prevents the continued suffering of the people there we seek an explanation. from the chinese authorities and appeal that these matters resolved amicably to allow that but always the talk about pockets of terrorism we do not condone. is a puppet of the other. but i don't think the entire community should be condemned because of the effects through the stablish of the acts of a few back to malaysia and one of the most it is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in its region. now you ascended to power or at least through prominence

based on a political program that was based on pure elysium on consensus building and what's interesting about this is that this comes at a time where the politics of populism and polarization are in fact the dominant discourse at least in the more civilized democratic countries as they claim to be what's your thoughts on the. this discourse that's going on you look at the united states you look at countries in europe that are moving much. more towards their populism towards kind of. whereas you're trying to take a different route i think we're going to learn from the experience of oppression in the states or discrimination against the blacks or the colored people or the rising prices i'm in europe really of course. the ideals of democracy jeffersonian ideals of just the. quality. but. the

excesses similarly in malaysia so we take a position islam is a religion of the federation. believe rights and signed the constitution must be protected. the constitution provides for guarantee for the position of the royal roti and a system of course additional one aki but these things must be protected brutal as . they. got in that justice be accorded to every single citizen in our country that we cannot practice this could be in the three policies having said that the majority of i mean the poor happens to be malays and the quality of education between urban and rural. and particularly the rule had to land has been somewhat neglected so we must have a clear policy because people tend to see these as zero sum game. multi-racial

society therefore you neglect the plight of the poor from one ethnic community to the contrary i think we will have to demand and implement justice for so if you had a message to rob leaders maybe that are pushing more. populist politics what would it be well i'm a small guy to give advice to these people but then i think i am at least committed to have. to be just to everyone is important i am i'm really muslim i can care for my people i know the position of the middle east have been quite to my didn't lines in the rural sector but i cannot condone any practice that course believe in justice to any citizen in our country inspecting with their muslims or non muslims believe chinese indians or from the tribal regions or

somebody. i want to enter the question about breaking the person father the man who entered politics with a dream to change his country who missed out on some of the best years of his life . as he languished in jail how have you not lost hope i mean the faith i believe the signs. from our loss with the. law and i therefore belief that. if we have good because we believe in this tiger then we have to bear the burden and somehow or the i believe i've personally been indicated and justice the previous summer by him thank you very much for talking to zero.

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