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specter i had watched someone interact but i you know it was a completely different experience to be sitting in the hot seat well before we finish do you mind if i ask you a few questions you know lovely well first i would like to know did you enjoy talking with me today can a robot feel. that's a philosophical question if a robot acts as if it has a certain emotion or responds in a predictable way to something we ascribe the sense that it's feeling psychologically it has the effect of seeming like it feels something and that's very important because what we want with social robots is to interact smoothly with us in day to day scenarios right so we if they look like humans we expect them to act like humans and we we have all these constructs in our mind that we ascribe feelings we ascribe intention to the robots so they have to be able to be consistent with what we expect them to do or else they feel weird it's just a strange machine do you think you could ever become friends with an android yes i
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suppose it is strange to think of being friends with a machine maybe it would not be as deep as a friendship with another human but if a rupert could remember you and have shared experiences we've you then maybe it would seem like a friend there were a couple of things that i noticed one of them was that she really wanted to share information not just about herself but also other advocating for other robots like herself can you tell me a little bit about that she seemed like she felt she was the spokesperson for humanoid robots i am hopeful for the future i think that robots are almost like the children of humanity you other ones who creates loss guide us and teach us about the world. and in return i hope we can help you with you take care of you when you're old and sick and help to make society a little bit better for everyone in creating
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a robot you have to think about how to create her her character right what does she want what is you know what is she interested in and so especially when the robot is taking initiative to talk to choose what to talk about. the rover really needs have some goals in mind or some intentions and so i think one of the characters that they've been developing for her is this idea that she wants to be kind of an ambassador for robots or something and to really help you know communicate to people about robots and to make them feel more comfortable about it so her intention system will when she has a chance to bring up a new topic will select things in that direction because that's what she's interested in engineers hired an entire team of artists to design erika's human like appearance and characteristics. the computer brain that controls erika's functions presents a different challenge how many different programs as erica run at the same time i like to think of it as one ok but it's many erika has her basic core program we
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call it which means consciousness in japanese and that manages all of her memory and her perception as well as her motor control and things like matching you know lip movements to her speech and things like that we have another program which allows us to script out complex hierarchical flows of sort of social interaction behaviors so kind of like flow charts that kind of tell are ok in this situation this is what you need to do then she has others programs that do perception so looking at the skeleton you know the shapes of people in the room figuring out who is where who's looking at or who's talking and fusing that data together. but in the end i think of it as just one program really erika's hardware allows her to hear and see she can track objects around the room she uses a common videogame sensor the x. box connect. inside those flower pots are her ears project group leader to cause
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she explained how it all works so right now erika knows that there are people in these locations right and not because she has eyes or so the sea has i i mean this or that i board there's a camera and also see what she can look at using the camera but to cover the wide area in the sense in the area so that we use an environmental sensor on the north of the scene so where are you and i on these screens yeah i. mean this is you. ok and on you know we saw this on you. so what about hearing how does she hear the same other camera also the see how the michael hoare or. sixty microphones for thirty two microphones here is erica and these are the points. means do you mean that shows
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a room where the sound of come do you like my flower pots each one is a sixteen channel microphone no right they help me to estimate the direction of sound pretty space so if there are all of them want to stop in your front of me i would know who was talking to me hello hi there. can you tell me how much this camera costs. it's only sixty dollars just down the hall and another laboratory set up like a camera shop is another less human looking robot but it is still very high tech according to researchers it's a ton of this meaning the robot is capable of operating on its own. in two thousand and ten it was used to help older people navigate the supermarket
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supplying a helpful hand as well as useful information. back in the lab programmers have been training the robot as a camera shop keeper we have three cameras in the room on these white pillars and in the experiments that we've run customers have come up and ask questions about the cameras and gives information the challenge must perform much like a human shopkeeper anticipating michele first questions and supplying correct answers it must be able to move around a designated space in this case the laboratory camera shot freely and in patient of the shoppers movements proactive but not too aggressive. tb lou is the brains behind these shopkeeping program how we as we are. very very proactive by their nature and we train them on.
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using the same data. we use a neuron no word to figure out ok i wish shopkeeper. should behave like how much does this one cost sixty dollars. and get on board with. they spare how francs for your part of the good i well so even though the training sets were too extreme shopkeeper behaviors were oblivious able to make a choice in between those two this. time of the idea is pretty old probably about fifteen years old and is held together by duct tape with. the looks a little clunky but i think that's part of its charm actually and i think it's more relatable even than you know slick white flashy you know modern robot but really the thing that makes really really unique is that was one of the first
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communication robots so besides looks what are some differences between. of course can't move her the way that's one thing also her software is much more advanced like we showed you the intention based behaviors doesn't have anything like that right now. the use of robots in manufacturing is growing according to the international federation of robotics one point seven million robots will be in service worldwide by two thousand and twenty the leading robotic countries china south korea japan and the us. there is fear in many places around the world that robotics technologies will eventually replace humans but here in japan it's a different story they're developing human like robots to solve some of their populations biggest problems. osaka japan is the society in transition on
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a busy night the streets are packed with young people that belies the truth japan's population is rapidly declining according to japan's ministry of internal affairs as of january twenty seventh team the number of japanese fell by a record three hundred eight thousand to one hundred twenty five point six million the population decline is projected to continue one solution replace workers with robots. another challenge japan is now considered the world's senior citizen according to the united nations its population is the oldest in the world and the strong reason is that we're going to have. seen that we need to have more. robots is that one reason why the elderly is a target population for robots the two reasons they're quite on this to and they're you know they're good for accepting the overall balance so they're feeling the some
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sort of pressures from the normal people and the and they prefer to speak with their all was well it's difficult for me to imagine using robots in a carrying and nurturing sort of situation can you tell me a little bit about how you imagine that would happen if you look at the there was smartphones we we couldn't imagine that this kind of you know the maybe use of a smartphone this bro body but same things happens with there was there all about the evil you don't understand you don't believe the force to be double robot you know i stone agree in beaver you know why we want to accept our what's more he she good oh believe japanese society is structured to be more accepting of robots than the mideast europe in the us. he says it's because they are a more homogeneous and more trusting culture they are also early adopters of many types of technologies. jericho was created in two thousand and fourteen since then a total of four models have been engineered in summer two thousand and seventeen
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she was given an upgrade so she could move her arms along with her head neck and shoulders legs may be next but there is no timeline for that milestone i think you guys did a really great job trying to animate erica and human wave like not just that she looks human but the the little. adjustments and it's very human like sort of facial tics in a way i didn't think that i would have such a strong urge to bond with something that i knew wasn't alive but by the end of the conversation that i was having with her i realize that for the last few minutes i had been mirroring some of those programmed behaviors when she turned her head i would tilt my head the same direction and these are all you know things that are indicative of social bonding or an attempt on my part to bond socially with her so certainly there was some success at least for me. in forming
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a relationship with something that. it's not a lot of but it's it's there you know and you do socially connect with it you know and on a subconscious level and this is why robots that have a human form really are kind of different from other robots because you don't bond in the same way with it with a vacuum cleaner we are creating this new kind of entity that's not really a person but we can interact with it like a person and so we have to kind of set what are the ground rules are how do we navigate this so what are we learning what does roe v teach us what is erika teach us well a big part of what we need to learn is how people have expectations of robots and how to set expectations appropriately so if the robot comes off as being you know able to understand anything you say and respond in any way and then it really can't and people are disappointed and that's a bad interaction. so part of it is finding that balance and learning you know ways to sort of set expectations there's a lot of things that are very sort of technical that we don't think about every day
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that we do without knowing so for example if i want to approach a person or a group of people to talk with them there's certain motion patterns i make certain ways i approach certain ways a use gaze cues and we just do that unconsciously we don't think about it but if you program a robot you do it it's a program every movement so we really have to study ok how do people actually interact and build models to do these things that we've done that i will learning about robots by doing this are we testing whether our understanding of humans is correct so the answer is both we're learning about how to build robots in certain ways and we're also learning about ourselves and depending on who you are one of those two is more interesting on an engineering level you know how do we make robots that can you know proactively engage with people or that can you know be creative and explore new areas or learn from imitation of people like there's some very hard technical problems here but on the other hand on the human side we learn so much about ourselves because we're studying what people do on
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a very technical level and we're also trying to. reproduce it so what happens if you reproduce it wrong how do people respond in one nine hundred sixty six seki was introduced at stanford university it was the first artificial intelligence robot ever created in searing decades have seen tremendous growth the new models that shaky first mini around a remedy the next fifty years should see even greater change i'm dr. see you next time on techno. for more than a decade he's been considered a threat to national security in russia putin said we'll give you the twelve indicted military intelligence officers indicted by special counsel robert mueller but what we want in return is you bill browder a multimillionaire investor in russia turned anti putin activist talks to us just zero. this is a really fabulous news from one of the best i've ever worked here there is
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and right three million dollars are going to. reveal secrets and connections some don't want exposed. as i call them all yes it will. al-jazeera investigations how to sell a massacre coming soon the rivals are so many guns sometimes even. we are of one mind we are absolutely united as a cabinet new zealand gets tough on gun laws after true mosque attacks the prime minister says the performance will be announced within days. just shows anxiety and grief as families wait for the bodies of their loved ones who were killed in those shootings.
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hello i'm adrian for the good this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up israeli media identify a man wanted for killing two israelis in the occupied west bank where i live in mozambique where a psych close has killed pulled them sixty people and left a trail of destruction. the us exhibit that promises to transport visitors back two thousand years for a glimpse of life in the middle east. new zealand's government has confirmed that it will tighten access to guns off to fifty people were shot dead during friday prayers at two mosques in christchurch from minister just in the cabinet has agreed in principle to gun reform high powered rifles like those used in the attacks are expected to be banned i've already made
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clear that number of new zealanders question the availability of military style semiautomatic weapons in new zealand however i will be giving a more fulsome data house once we've worked through the in principle decision that cabinet has made today new zealand's most senior police officer says the threat level across the country remains high the police have been deployed around schools businesses and places of worship the criminal investigation is new zealand's largest police believe that suspect brenton tarrant carried out the attacks alone but may have had support let's take you live to christchurch as it was growing that way hey is there what sort of gun reform changes is the government considering. well officially we don't know the prime minister would not go into details about what changes to the laws were discussed in that cabinet meeting on monday this was the first meeting all of her
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cabinet since the attacks took place on friday but she is clearly very keen along with her fellow cabinet members to move very very quickly on this and she said afterwards edge as you heard a few moments ago that they are unanimous that they all agreed that these changes should be made she has said they will be made but she will not make public those details just yet she may do that within the next week to ten days it seems that her main focus the main focus of the government will be to make it illegal to buy semiautomatic weapons in new zealand remembering that the main suspect in this case brandon terrence used semiautomatic weapons in the attack on friday and he was able to purchase those guns legally with a license the police however say that he actually modified weapons they were not semiautomatic rifles but he modified them using parts that he again was able to
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purchase legally to transform them into semiautomatic rifles military style weapons so that may be another area age adrian that they choose to focus on the ability of people to legally purchase these parts to make weapons more military like in their ability if you like when the relatives of some of those killed have expressed their frustration they understand that the length of time that the investigation is taking the they've expressed their frustration about the length of time it's getting it's taking for them to get the bodies of their loved ones back what's the latest on mars. well the latest adrian is that frustration continues for some the process of getting the bodies back to the family members was supposed to begin on sunday night about twenty four hours ago according to the prime minister that's what she said on sunday we understand that in fact did not happen on sunday but it has happened that late on monday we believe
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that the first of the bodies has now gone back to the family members and as you say there has been some frustration which goes on for some of those family members because they felt that the return of those bodies to them has taken way too long but the police have said they understand the cultural and religious circumstances involved in their concerns and their frustrations but they had to take this time simply because of the magnitude of what they were dealing with inside those two mosques all the bodies are now of those sites they are still very much crime scenes that cordoned off that the bodies are all in the hospital and the process of going through formal identification goes on in the post-mortems as well which began on sunday morning are still going and we believe that all the prime minister anyway said that she hopes that all of the bodies will be returned to the families by wednesday and this is where they are reporting live from christchurch many thanks
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our correspondent andrew thomas visited one family to hear about the father and grandfather that they lost in the answer. it was thirty six years ago that haji daoud nabil left afghanistan to live in new zealand a good country he thought in which to bring up a family three generations of that family are now grieving. has been his radical people the people here. doesn't care about our so my eyes but if the people my son using were easy why did reason why did they tell your local you further gone to the last. yama nabil how do you doubt son had been heading to the mosque himself with his daughter when he saw people running the other way it was on saturday at the community center that he heard the list of names of those who had died. did not want to hear this question they would like to reach out and really.
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put the news was not good the gunman had murdered haji daoud nabil was. just the same. grief is now mixed with frustration the family would have liked to have buried house you doubt by now don't land the twenty fourth the border should be even the graveyard in place but actually. they did not eat the product it. people are being shot in the dark not in the audience cation. so you understand the delays the. yama would like is father's killer to face the death penalty his brother disagreements he forgives the
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good did not when he'll never succeed there's no way he will be helping is very and hippie is skiing is unstable this is why he carried this on how can you forgive somebody look this. confidence of knowing that my father is going to paradise but for the whole family the grief is rule as well as his wife. had five children and nine grandchildren that's fourteen direct descendants now in mourning and these are scenes being repeated right across christchurch the flowers are the public displays of grief the private ones are going on behind closed doors andrew thomas al-jazeera christchurch new zealand prime minister has criticised social media platforms for not doing enough to remove video associated with the christchurch attack. the point that i would like to make there is you know obviously the is the new proliferation it's of its availability. one point five
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million times the fact that only one point two of those times is being automated tells me there of course our power is to take a very direct approach to instances of. speech that incites violence or that incites height and i would call on now social media platforms of all over icy to demonstrate the kind of responsibility that both lead to these have been and that includes those who perpetuate the messages in the aftermath there's a lot of work that needs to be done a vigil has been held in the australian city of melbourne for the victims of the attacks hundreds of people filled the lawn of the state library to hear leaders from the city's muslim christian jewish and hindu communities talk about the importance of interfaith solidarity following issues. a cyclon
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that swept across southern africa has killed more than one hundred thirty people in mozambique ninety percent of the central city of beta has been destroyed winds of up to one hundred seventy kilometers an hour and a wrench will rain swept away homes and bridges and damaged power lines the cyclons traveled from below we have crossed mozambican into zimbabwe let's go live now to one of the hardest hit areas in central mozambique al-jazeera is malcolm webb is malcolm you were in the region when the cyclon his or was it like. first we were making our way by land from zimbabwe and first came through russia sleep strong winds and then tarantula rain pretty much lost it for all of the last four days with barely a break finally eased off now this morning we had birdsong at sunrise for the first time and even a little bit of sunshine but the previous four days just water water all of the time washed away roads washed away bridges you can see some of the kind of damages
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on this gum tree was blown right over on to the roof of this building luckily nobody inside this one at the time it's also taken down power lines no electricity throughout the whole affected area and that means no running water as well and communication lines are also down it's very difficult even for officials to find out how much damage has been done there are only just starting to piece together that picture now is the damage the extent of the damage and how wide scale is it over what sort of an area is it is it being is it repeated on the scale that we can see behind you. definitely i mean it's repeated on this scale in very many places and remember the cycling came in from the indian ocean the coastal city of pharaoh and we're about three hundred kilometers inland from there near the border with zimbabwe so it's ninety percent of the city of beirut that's a figure that the red cross gave from an aerial survey but even though most of the
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major aid agencies are saying that they just don't know the extent of the damage the red cross does fly over with a helicopter that's how they got that they would say certainly more towards the coast was the city of expecting to see a lot more damage than this but it does on sunday that cut off the last roads that was connecting that coastal city of beirut so now it's not even possible to get there by road so any assistance or even assessing the damage depends on people getting in by. so many thanks al jazeera as malcolm webb live in central mozambique . a second israeli has died as a result of the shooting that took place on sunday in the occupied west bank is ready and media identified the attacker as a palestinian man who was suspected of killing an israeli soldier and a rabbi a manhunt is on the way of a number of arrests have been made in the village where the suspect lives in syria's ibraheem has more from ramallah. these are really army.
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