tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera April 12, 2019 6:00pm-7:01pm +03
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alas quits. will you provide on a perch it is for all the political parties to engage without any discrimination oh or you will ban any. way to quest. members of the media to limit their questions to only one so we can. comment. on the the interim military. council is that here used to be the child of the national congress. and you are
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a staging a charade a farce. simply because you are accused of being part of the former regime. the second. sound. how would you respond to the a comic situation on the ground. we will collect. and questions and then we'll start answering following the common question. when you realize the importance of establishing communication with the international community video establish any communication with any.
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foreign country. the and. the what is the situation of the foreign relations and fun and policy. so no one with respect to the first questions the priorities our top priority is the stability and security that i'm older and that's why our council was formed we have i did the case that this committee for defense and we have another that my subcommittee for them economic. and. other domestic conditions and this committee is a sponsor one for catering to the people's demand. to the people's requirements
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specially living requirement we have a third subcommittee for you know stealing the dialogue within sedan and also. the foreign relations with the world countries why don't the south as to the deteriorating economic condition this is a legacy of thirty years it has been at him related for in decades we don't have a magic wand we can not provide. an override solution however with the upcoming government the government to be formed we will. join forces in order to provide solutions to the economic condition and up at the podium as to our foreign policy and our foreign relations this evening
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we will be alone when you go holding. meetings with the members of the diplomatic corps we will furnish them with the necessary information together with a mission to establish communication with the outside world with the world countries and order to continue to function without. as to the armed groups and our statement is actually. very welcome to join the dialogue. that i believe it is the right of the people to engage and they have is that i doing gates as to the interim provisional period of two years. it was fixed based on the lessons learned specially that we have been conferring and deliberating.
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the lessons learned. on us was. employed as a result of the transitional period it was fixed. at two years as a maximum however if the situation improves and the sudan the sudanese people are able to come up with a final clear cut solutions within one month practical ones we will step aside again this transitional period is fixed as a maximum so yes. during which we will be and communication with political forces in order to establish a final solution to the crisis. in the home people and.
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also question the future of the national congress again. and us of the. we will address this and deal with the sudanese people without any prejudice and racism or discrimination and nobody political party will be banned they will be all in dealt with on equal footing all the sudanese will be i see myself treated. on a quill footing otherwise we'll go back to square one because what if the national congress would not function. democratically go love fully legally and lead to timidly they're welcome. therefore you know. the situation and the arena is open we
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provide us and our plane feen for all of the sudanese and political parties as to the upcoming government it is going to be added will be us as totally civil government we have no authority to appoint a single member new political forces the people are required to sit together deliberate negotiating converse and gates in dialogue and you come up with the formation of the government we will not enter fear we're closely monitoring from a distance us from will and we will not dictate any orders we have no suggestions however we must be practical we have also to be realistic
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but we have some sovereign to fall is some sovereign ministers the defense minister for example the interior minister will be from among the armed forces and this is simply put to maintain security and to ensure public order. and that's why i request the sudanese people to support their military to stand behind their military. we. are we have as well and then. an animist we are known figures you have just come to know us may god bless and accept in his mercy the late so are internationally the leader of the earlier we are the children of so wide that we were by god almighty
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we will support all the peoples demands we will. take the people's demands yet we will respond firmly to any cares. our top value. rests in our peace stability and security. and. my fellow countrymen leaders. of the press will lead to kill forces the political parties. do not engage the military in your political affairs you sit together deliberate discuss negotiate openly converse and arrive at the unanimous solution it is a golden opportunity do not waste it and do not fail amendment the sudanese and
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work them out of. as to the question. regarding the accusation that the military a military council is a child of the national congress. these are false accusations and i'm that what the defense minister is the general command of the chief or commander of the armed forces what sort of place he has absolute power as an authority as you know as the chief commander who up he is the one that has managed to have and still is but the current change he has put his own self in jew party he has put his own carried i was on the line the same applies to the chief of the police who did the guys and i'm director of the security apparatus of words
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these are all your eyes and i'm gonna yeah he himself. was a key and instrumental guy down the street you. can play the key role in this change you know the rapid deployment help that the forces he commanded himself he was also part of the change. there are some information i cannot disclose to the media. that i swear by god almighty the rapid deployment force is an additional asset to the sudanese and the sudan and in its entirety there are certain information i cannot disclose it is a well disciplined responsible. false.
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reports false reports and accusations. are all baseless now that we. are familiar with the nature of the rapid deployment force their commanders in the duties of and the performance again these are false accusations of the internal military council is not. handpicked or tailored to why the former j. m and that yes this itself would call for more. as i said someone once. thanks got heated the defense minister the chief of the police the chief of the security apparatus has. gathered held meetings
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with top leaders top commanders and. i deliberated the issue then we requested them to go back to their bases to their barracks. and then at decision was made that we did not jump on the wagon and our decision of change was taken in manama slee. my game and most of our weapons we were not part of the national congress we have no relevance relation with the national congress. we the men of the armed forces. have no precious but the home soil of the sudan we have no political ad filiation we have no political
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ideology we are the men of the armed forces let us work. with the militia as to the next question. and. we came forward and the response to the people's demands. it was the people who call on us to seize the reins of power and we acted in the response and that's why this question is not acceptable we were not dictated to it was us who adopted this option simply because we were monitoring the situation on the ground. i. swear to god almighty that we are not prepared. to sacrifice a single soul we. are acting based
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on our values and virtues these values principles and virtues is where a spoon fed to us by our respected mothers sudanese mothers and fathers. i want to sponsor was a direct response to the people's demand and we will live up to the people's aspirations however i urge the political leaders to seize this golden opportunity. as to the questions regarding. v. sudan's foreign relations there is no doubt that our country is part and parcel of the region and the world. we are not an isolated island we should continue to communicate with other word community however our top put it at
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the now is to maintain security and order within us in order to be able to function be on. again we will do all what we can to continue to establish communications with the world community. as to the. responses from the world community i believe they are mostly positive and we should join forces to take the sudan forward and achieve a better change.
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use we have no ambition to hold the reins of power the message there from almost the same lobby the chief of the political military council he's speaking addressing the sudanese nation saying we will be the guarantee gallants halls of change mandated by people we are the guardians of change he went on to characterize the military's intervention which ended with the president ahmed bashir being relieved of his juices by saying we responded to the demands of the people. and i ask the sudanese people to support the military. he went on to defend the military's role saying the accusations that the military and some of its top brass were the children of the ruling national congress party were false accusations he particularly defended the minister of defense saying he had put his
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career on the line to steer the change that the people wanted here dress political parties and leaders saying i urge political leaders to see this golden opportunity. he said if the sudanese people are able to come up with practical solutions soon or we will step aside before two years he went on to explain that the transitional period of two years outlined yesterday by the military was a maximum term that could be shortened if the political leaders come up with the unanimous solution and decision on how to form the next government. he said the next government would be completely civilian and that the army had no demands or requests on the next government he said their priority was simply
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stability security and order. here dress some of the economic challenges facing the country saying we don't have a magic wand but will join forces with the upcoming government to help find solutions. he had invited all to be part of the political process to form the next government saying his message even to armed groups was that they are welcome and have a right to join the dialogue no political party will be banned all sudanese will be treated equally. here dress the issue of. the ruling party is saying if the national congress can function legally they are welcome to join the process too we will not dictate any order he said. the people called upon us to seize the reins of
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power and we are simply responding to the demands and the requests of the people. he described the decision that prompted the military to intervene saying the former leadership was ignoring political and economic challenges. he said in during that period they kept contact with political forces and that intervened simply to steer the country away from chaos. let's bring in hebron morgan she joins us now live from khartoum so here we are. so far it doesn't seem like the military is announcing any change to the sort of planet outline that it's going to hold power for the next couple of years correct.
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yes sami and that's one of the reasons why people are still out in the streets as a matter of fact even as their admiral armor isn't abdeen was giving his speech basically a conciliatory tone saying that he will be opening dialogue that the minute the military council will be holding dialogues not just with the political parties around the country but also with foreign diplomats as well for foreign representatives in the country he said that they will be meeting them later this evening and he seemed to be trying to tell the people who have been protesting outside as well as the whole nation that this military council is not set to hold on to power for long because people were concerned that most of the members are from the ruling party which was bashir is a party and there are concerns that more or less the courts in the same thing in fact after the liberation yesterday that president bashir was no longer president and that the military council was in charge people were saying that they replaced the one end of the coin with the other end of the point so they're saying that the
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chance that you could hear in the streets was one fee for one place with another one figure replaced with another from the same basket so he seemed to be wanting to strike a conciliatory tone saying that most of the members of this council that will be steering the country forward will be civilians will be from various political parties there he will be opening up dialogue with the political representatives of the country and as you said he said that there are no solutions to the economic crisis but he's going to leave that to the political parties to members that will represent the military council and their job is to keep safety security and order how that will go on with the people in the streets it's still not clear we can still hear outside the office here we can hear people chanting still making their way to the army headquarters still very determined to see a completely civilian transitional council they don't want to military representatives especially military representatives who are part of the old regime are. starting to speak again. the constitution was not.
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simply so suspended. and this constitution is suspended as a result of the marcello a state of emergency a state of emergency automatically puts the constitution on hold this is the basic know that if people demand the spencerian be lifted it will be lifted immediately this is lot a divine message it is simply a temporary measure. taken as the prevailing know. what is the nature of detention all the names listed were detained and kept in custody what are the names where mention names were given now that the security
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subcommittee will be meeting soon. for may i am responsible for the political aspect of the security subcommittee have a list of all the names the key figure. all detained and put in custody the chief prosecution and my chief public prosecutors present however the names are made public and you can have access to them. and. we. are. set and. taking the current affairs. and. their careers to be handed down. however if we are requested to that two thousand and
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five constitution says pension be lifted we will immediately those serve. as a corruption yes true it is true that's why we stayed in corruption. again one of the key responsibilities is to drain the source of the corruption how how can this be achieved this can be achieved by nation by the people. of official positions or any figure proven to be corrupt will be immediately detained tried and penalize we have come with the motors slogans of justice and equality.
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shall either by the slogans hosted by the people the slogans chanted by the people must be materialized first within our respective so within our respective persons then that the wider levels. as to the formation of the subcommittees it was meant for further deliberations and consultations. as i said the military men are very. keen on maintaining. however. we cannot establish communication before an announce an announcement be made then ourselves be made
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known to the public presented and then engage in dialogue with other forces as to the question. on the key political figures who could provide swift solutions as a matter of fact. the security subcommittee was in direct contact with various political forces however. the did not get x. suppress any genuine desire for a dialogue or what they asked for was change and change only that's why we responded and stepped in when i go again. and if you know what we will sit with every political figure we will sit with them on the floor on the floor we will listen to them we will listen to
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even average citizens even those who have no political ad filiation we will sit with them on the floor. we will sit we will deploy ourselves into the streets and the square. we are all pin. to all we will listen to every single average citizen is lay men our people is rich in this source's qualifications qualified professionals skills. we wish at change not only and there is james but with the full sense of the word. what about the future of bashir. yes.
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the president the former president is now in custody again the former president is in custody. as to. protest and demonstrators. we will have zero tolerance against any person who is proven to have committed murder any person who have who has been proven to have killed a single citizen but yet this is to be established by the judiciary by the court. but we will have but as zero tolerance and again we are not responsible for any killing we will leave the matter to the court does it did the dish or a system to establish who is proven guilty we will have no
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say in this and whatever is to be established by the court will be executed enforced and implemented. many people believe that. bin of is one of the remnants of the former regime and he cannot be trusted for the upcoming period. and you said that you have stepped forward with no political laughing over ideology however many people suspect this
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political committee of the military council that's currently ruling so than answering questions from journalists about the fate of former president bashir who was relieved of his duties yesterday he went on to say we will have zero tolerance for anyone who has killed a citizen but this will be established by the courts and whatever courts decide that decision will be implemented and up held he went on to call for justice and equality saying the chance of the people must be fulfilled and promised a dialogue with politicians and indeed with ordinary sudanese citizens saying we will sit with every political leader with every ordinary citizen on the floor and listen to every lay man he went on to defend the army's actions of suspending the constitution saying the constitution had been suspended
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but not scrapped he said he would leave it up to the people saying if the people demand the suspension of the constitution be lifted it will be lifted a conservatory tone there from. the leader the chief of political affairs of the military council on what is in labadee in closed trying to reach out to the protesters who remain camped out outside the army headquarters in khartoum. let's bring in a man he's a researcher at the africa program in chatham house he joins us on skype from london good to have you with us sir. thank you although so far it doesn't seem like are more of the. same law of the day and
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has changed significantly the plan that the army announced yesterday for the transition period he does seem to be indicating would it be fair to say a lot of flexibility in how that plan is to be implemented saying well it could be less than two years well we might reinstate the constitution right. yes i think i think what we're seeing you know is a lot more flesh being written on the bones of yesterday's much briefer announcement about the military transitional council. and i think the army is very keen as we can see and you mentioned to appeal to people who sympathies you know people who have had sympathies and do have sympathies with the army and he's used very. firm to the army several times as opposed to the other
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military institution so i mean clearly as well. his interests has been to deep politicize the army to say look we are not a member or a part of the national congress party that we stand in the interests of the sudanese people and we are here for our first priority which is to maintain order and stability and work in the interests of the be no ambitions of power no politicize asian i think those messages rather than very clearly. will ring hollow for many sunni people who who see the army the top echelons of the army as having been politicized under president or modern issues reign and so it would be hard for them to accept this is a turning face of of the the military institutions and it would also
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mention that this is a net that in a coordinated unified effort by a lot of the military the security services the rapid support forces the militias so this is a unified effort not and that will also concern people because it's only a couple of days now since the national intelligence forces and some of the militias aligned to president bashir were trying to remove the protesters forcibly using violent means from their sit in outside the army headquarters so this is a very you know appealing message i think and of course one which i think will be welcomed i think will be outward facing as well which you saw in parts of the message. appealing to the international community in saying that we have we have things in order this is a transition as you mentioned two years paschal terrific political forces
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can come to at solution in sadat. do you think his suggestion there the military during this period is going to be working with civilian figures that sort of approach will that sort of off resonate at all with the protesters or they see that simply as too thin a make up on a military situation or military role. i think this is an expansion i think he he has clearly said that they would like to realize the aspirations of the sudanese people. he has clearly said that this is the arena is open with the words that he was using the arena is open for all the political forces to come to gether and provide a solution for a legitimate transition to a civilian administration so i mean you know the proof will be in the pudding of course in this i know that there have been conversations or was talking about them
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between the initial conversations taking place between the military transitional council and some of those political opposition forces but then they've not of course reached any extent yet or any. you know they haven't come that far down the line that we know so this is the most the most information we have received of course since the council was announced so i mean if you take it at face value there is an extremely positive opportunity for sorry i am and i'm going to have to join in because as a latina speaking once again we'll come back to in a bit let's listen in to what they're saying there. it was them who led the current change. those you accuse of being the figures of the third eminent regimes they were the key
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leaders the true leaders of their team we military men cannot be sold we cannot be bought the military men are acting in the interest of the people. whatever the people would agree upon we will heed and support. if. we fall in the trap we cannot go and teach the futures. up don't you think that any rift endemol attorney. would cause mayhem would plunge the country into the unknown cat tester of his this
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asters. we are doing all what we can we the military men are doing all what we can to provide a safe exit to the crisis. as reports that the african union has taken a stand against the military change again we are not a coup plotters we simply step forward in the response to the people's demand the people's desires. we did not act based on our own desires or intentions we step forward as a response to the people's demand once the demands are materialize we will go back
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to the barracks. had it been. the situation would have been different we would have come forward with our own idealogies. odors we simply stepped forward to provide a peaceful atmosphere for all the sudanese. to brave through the crisis. as to peaceful gatherings and demonstrations. any citizen is a man can a step forward then it suppress his own opinion i get this transitional period of two years was fixed as a maximum yet if the people agree upon a solution earlier than that. if the political forces believe that. we should step back we
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will go back to our barracks. again though we are the children all of the late so wanted that we are the legacy of the late at that. saw as to relationship with the security council. as a matter of fact then tire issue has been on leave running for two days we are concerned mostly with sudan's domestic security and public order however and future we are prepared to establish communication with all the countries regional. and international community the world countries we will explain to them the situation we assured them however that we are part and parcel of the word fabric we will do all what we can and cooperate with the world community in
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order to integrate. as to the question on the strategic stockpile. yesterday all the concerned with the russian supplies ministries finance ministers. the sudan's central bank they are now active doing what they can in order to cater to the current situation and. the more than we did not invite the national congress to the dialogue with. the national congress was this principle for what we have been through or do you believe it is reasonable of logical to invite them to the negotiations. or to the dialogue.
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it was them who were responsible if for what we have been through do you believe that it is logical to call them to the dialogue that. as to the extradition of the former president we believe that all of the military based on our values and principles shall not accept our died but she is eighth is our old values principles and virgin we will have him tried here but we cannot extradite him over see here this is our option yet once the reins of power has had are handed over to the political forces they have the liberty to decide yet
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since we are in control at the moment we will not extradite any said then these citizens to any outside force bashir will be dried dull mystically we have our own judiciary and we have our own established systems. it is an ugly spark a dark spot in our history even if we extradite him even those rebel is one that once called those carrying arms those rebels carrying arms. one says they are captured very cannot and will not be excited diety it is part and parcel of our own values principles and virtues again
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he will be tried and if. will be penalize the mistaken. as to the popular defense group these groups were established randomly. that were groups established under the rule of law including yours yourselves. the populars defense at at the time. was subject. and by the law that if there are any irregularities of a latent they cannot be address however they are part and parcel of the sudanese fabric and the current change is a living proof. to our diversity. as to the monetary system shortage.
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the economic. conditions the toady anything conditions again it is a legacy a thirty year legacy at is a legacy of decades we will do our best. so i live yet the spot shortage. will do all what we can and we will call all this sponsible professionals to lend a helping hand exit the current crisis mount us. as to our response to those opposing the change. my statement my answer is clear. our duty is to maintain order and this concert. and security and i warn any
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cydonia to violate others'. freedom of expression. that. you have the liberty to protest and demonstrate peacefully yet no single person as allowed or up nor be permitted to violate other people's freedoms. but me any person the cutting of road. be dealt with harshly and firmly. the whole nation what. those who are violating public order and security will be dealt with harshly and firmly.
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any questions are missed. well if you just joined us we have been listening here at al-jazeera to the head of sudan's transitional council saying dean giving a press conference in the day after saddam's military removed president obama the shia from power. he said that the military has no plans to stay in power while inviting political parties for dialogue he's also calling on protesters who've been on the streets now for months to provide solutions for president bashir he said is in custody we will have zero tolerance for anyone who's killed a citizen this will be established by courts whatever the courts decide will be implemented in just a few moments ago he said that the military will not extradite. bashir over the
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scenes we will try him here however he said any future civilian government may choose to do so. now the chief of the political military council is taking up a group of questions at once. and. then on to them so though it appears to have been the it appears to be the end of had to press conference. let's. move on then to analyze what we've heard over the last hour or so as i say we spent the last hour listening to the head of sudan's transitional council let's recap what's been happening so fast military has defended thursday's crew saying it has no ambitions to hold on to power but it says it will take action if any on rest breaks out. this just the day after the army removed president omar al bashir from
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power a state of emergency is in place a curfew has been imposed for three months but that so far has been ignored by many sudanese rallies were held overnight the opposition is calling for further protests later on friday. we have not come with future solutions the solutions will be devised by those in protest and those staging sit ins you the people will provide solutions for all political economic and social issues we have come with no ideology we are the people of the armed forces we have come here to maintain order security and provide an opportunity for the people to achieve change they have been aspiring to and to devise their own visions for the leadership we have no ambition at all to hold the reins of power. to mount a serious here is the head let's draw together everything that we've heard over the
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last. day in the head of the transitional council saying that the way the military have no ambition to hold the reins of power we are the guardians of change we will guarantee change mandated by the people is that going to be enough to satisfy the protesters. well at the at the moment adrian it doesn't seem to be enough right now as we're sitting and talking we can hear people outside continuing to march to the army headquarters their whole point is that they don't want anybody from the old regime or associated with the old regime or the ruling party or the former ruling party may say to be part of the transitional council now out of me are admirals they nabbed in they're all part of the ruling party they are part of the old regime so for the people who are often in the streets and for the thousands who have been staging a sit in in front of the minutes or headquarters for the past week it's more or
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less the same thing they feel like they haven't actually achieved anything and that their past four months of protests for a demand demanding a change has not been heard from has not been heard from by the military which is very funny because the admiral who was speaking on reason abdeen the chief of the council said that what happened yesterday the military took take over was not a coup it was a response to the demand of the people to the thousands who are staging a sit stand for six days in front of their headquarters so they defended their actions but at the moment the people are continuing in front of the army headquarters not just in the tomb but around various other states in the country saying that we don't want to military representative to lead us in over the next couple of couple of years or however long the transitional period is they want a completely civilian government that has nothing to do with the old regime but he was fairly clear though in what he said the military is there just to ensure stability to prevent an wrists and he said that if the surge of these people are
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able to come up with practical solutions. the strength period could last as little as a month. yes he did say that it was a very conciliatory tone and he did say that in a few hours he will be meeting representatives from the various political parties he also said that he will be meeting members and representatives of the diplomatic corps in sudan so he said he basically seemed to be extending or rather the military council seemed to be extending a hand to those who are inside sudan various political parties including the people who are staging the sets in as well as foreign powers or for it for in countries in sudan so it seems like they're really trying to open their hands and say listen we are here just to maintain the order we are going to try to seek solutions together and they also said admiral almost in an absent also said that whatever happened any differences the political parties have they should not try to take advantage of the military so it seems like they're really trying to open a political dialogue pave way for what they said yesterday would be
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a transitional government that includes all political powers all of society in sudan all tribes and basically all ethnicities full representation is what they said yesterday and what was repeated today so it seems like they were really trying but the question is will the people listen at the moment there are thousands and thousands of people in front of army headquarters who didn't really want to even hear the speech they didn't want to know a knowledge the fact that at the moment the military the military is taking over the transition period that it started yesterday they say that the only thing they want to hear is that the military transitional council is there for a few hours and is ready to hand over power to civilian government yes the military council said that if solutions are reached they will be able to do that but i don't think it's going to actually affect the people right now they're still continuing to protest and they said that they will not stop and less a civilian council is actually appointed to help us understand why people are so suspicious of the military's motives here. betty i'm keen to point out one one
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point that the that the current. officers the current. group of officers are the children. of military chiefs who handed power to the people in one thousand nine hundred six. yes he did say that but then again he is also a member of the ruling party he's a member of the old regime dollars of the of the defense minister who is currently leading the military council is also part of the old regime and that is what people are saying is very suspicious to them they're saying that these are the people who have been part of president obama bashir is regime they've been part of his government they are part of his political party so how can we trust them when we wanted them gone in the first place when they were parts and parcel of the old government that we were trying to topple for the past four months and so they do really want a civilian government they really want people who have nothing to do with the political parties specifically the ruling party over the past thirty years they
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want new faces new ideas that's what they've been demanding adrian over the past four months they're saying that they want the whole regime not just bashir not just the ruling party they just want they want all three gone because here the ruling party and the military the fact that bashir is gone the ruling party members still remain in power and the military still in power is what is bothering them at the moment or whatever for the moment we're back with you shortly let's speak now though to our susi who's a protester who's currently near the army headquarters in khartoum and is on the line now you heard what the head of the military council had to say what's your reaction. your reaction we want to watch your videos you know when you can you it is of the fourth a little bit like the playback i can hear you say what's your reaction to what you heard from. the head of administration official.
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yes the military saying what the people. longing to hear but clearly you know there is a. still a mistrust between the people on the military especially that the the the transitional council had a number of key players who used to work with the former regime that make the. difference this is the sudanese people. joining still coming through the army headquarters and they feel like they've been cheated and they feel like the exchange. like a regime was the worst kind of. they feel like you know. the former government the new congressional council are the same thing and they feel like they haven't done anything so the action here is. you know no
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to any of. the members in the prison council was associated with. the former regime on the just sees of people still coming to the army headquarters. to the friday prayer to continue protesting until their demands are met he said we have no ambition to hold the reins of power and that the transition period can last a little while people think face value. it's i mean you know thirty years of you know. we genius in the making the people. even in a very tricky situation like first thing any new form of. government and i think this is not going to be just like this delusional. account so i think
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it could be also for the. going because well that that's just part of being you know. part of the game but people don't really think that fitzgerald you know. council can be trusted and can lead the country see a six plus softeners say well look tough you. look at the question well look if you being ignored again. yes yes yes that's what appears to be the situation nobody's talking about the curfew as if there is no curfew. yes so people to ask you coming people still protesting here in the army headquarters and they will still be. going to curfew.
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