tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera April 29, 2019 5:00am-6:01am +03
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bronzes is far from unique more and more pillage countries are demanding the return of their cultural assets the trophies of the renowned museums of the western world . pillaged countries have a legal tool to negotiate for the return of their stolen treasures the nine hundred seventy unesco convention signed during the era of de colonization imposes on all nations to return objects obtained illegally. in recent years the pressure on renowned museums has intensified. the pergamon museum the most visited in berlin is obliged to know the origins of its collections. you start to understand that what you have here is not just archaeological object but it's part of the cultural heritage of the region or of these countries and at that point you realize you're talking about
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a political dimension or a cultural political dimension. as a director i cannot say i don't know when somebody asked me how did your collection actually come into being so my responsibility as director of this museum is to know everything about the objects. well the key documents in this file the ones that tell us basically that it was ok to take up the objects and this we have to do for everything and i'm considering that we have roughly five hundred thousand objects you know that this is a huge task ahead for us something that has to be done over decades really five hundred thousand objects all in there so that's an ongoing process that will will take until i'm preparing to cook but the important thing is somebody is doing it every day because you have to have a lot. i'm aware that this september madden is going to close the critics on the
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present is an extent bush said you know i said that is ideologue a big lead by example in just those atlantis on every national device the exact amount of yeah. the professor. and. all the friends you see here have been pretty good to see you and we would be acquiring stuff anymore the pergamon stopped acquiring in the one nine hundred thirty s. forty years before the signing of the unesco convention which isn't retroactive this is. so the museum's collection is seemingly protected from demands for restitution but that's not the opinion in turkey especially in the city of guardian tep young guys and. me and can. live for so often only a minister. you know seeing. that we don't at all maybe.
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never sat down on that was. the money issue when there was a debate intern and there was. a man and a leg and then say you know when i said enemies many people and this is from this is now you know that i've had. this black list includes objects on show in the british museum in london but also in the pentagon in berlin although they were all acquired before nine hundred seventy turkey still wants them back. it's not a question of museums anymore because it's a request of the state of turkey. they also are in the process of overcoming. colonial attitudes towards cultural heritage and in this process they have started to realize that. countries in the west have not always been upfront about their practices of acquiring collections begin to do yeah
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savation. there is. here's john dowd and they can i know. given busy. busy you know gunson shante can play in kent and then just begin to d.l.c. the beauty of a set we've been engaged in in our money and them made. music and then to shoot it in this new they are abusing in. the pillagers happened over a century ago but turkey isn't ready to forget. like china and italy turkey has made the restitution of its treasures a political priority. within its culture ministry the turkish government has set up a special restitution unit. forty or so lawsuits have already been won resulting in the return of over four thousand objects.
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one of the special units successes is the restitution of this music of orpheus stolen in the nine hundred fifty s. then purchased by the dallas museum of art after several years of legal wrangling the museum was obliged to return it. while pillage nations like turkey have a legal framework to demand reparations this isn't the case in the private sector where only the market rules. in this antique shop window how many artifacts have a perfectly established origin in many cases it's practically impossible to verify . does the private antiquities market have its own rules immune to international legislation you know asco had
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attempted to extend its nine hundred seventy convention to better control private transactions a new convention adopted in one thousand nine hundred five the convention on stolen or illegally exported cultural objects obliges sellers to prove the legal origin of an artifact it also obliges buyers to demand proof but although the original unesco convention is recognized by one hundred thirteen nations only thirty seven party states have committed to the united wired convention. so the market is winning thriving with its own often shady rules chadian as embodied by the freeport system one of the main thoroughfares of art market
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trafficking. the best known are here in geneva but the exist throughout the world free ports were originally special economic zones which stocked in transit merchandise to reduce or avoid customs duties are dealers were soon renting space in these huge warehouses to discreetly store artifacts by allowing people to store all kinds of objects without the slightest control free ports have long been considered as a hub of antiquities trafficking it's estimated there are over a million works deposited here more than twice the number contained in the movie. this swiss establishment guarantees its clients one hundred percent confidentiality its high security site is protected from theft but also from prying eyes artifacts can be stored safely here for years simple as up
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a column on the. left you. know i mean you can join on would you like to find a not understood it should one miss with one on sauce fiske out when your d.v.r. would order to keep the tax or look a mess nadal set up. no taxation and appealing advantage for our dealers while the works remain inside a free port they can be sold and bought without being subjected to any kind of tax . customs duties are only paid once when a work definitively leaves the freeport a perfectly legal tax haven right in the heart of europe. these facilities explain why the gallery phoenix keeps most of its merchandise in
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free ports and these showcases only a small part of the collection is displayed the gallery belongs to tom one of the biggest antiquities dealers in the world. in twenty ten customs discovered in alley a tons warehouse in the freeport of geneva this is second century roman surkov a guess since then it has been the center of a complex legal battle. it will be awful you know all over the prevent sank our love and do i love on this song on the on the top end of our daughter to follow us of hope you bleak put on the all music. so decidedly don't. do jane alcopop level. first as a proposition on the don't assume. you want you have a clue jake don't use it id still don't know a dip or perform
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with doubts over the object origin the sale was finally cancelled as the so called because it was probably looted in turkey swiss authorities decided to allow ankara . let your key for me do cool let your key sit there. but get up was if you. employ situated it will see aunt jackie amanda who thought they did agree. to sit this sit exposed does she want to sit for you call this to impress us your report you did for it. as to the tumble blues doc. on a lot they're full of the story of it we're talking my live any longer than to declare i loved or phoned them. except that after being restored in london this or coffee because didn't return to geneva until two thousand and nine so the
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turkish lawyer heading the case believes it comes under the new swiss law which demands every protocol origins for all works of art imported after two thousand and five in september twenty fifteen swiss justice finally ordered the repatriation of the second office to turkey but ali abu tom continues to claim ownership based on a certificate delivered by the company art loss register over four years that if you get positive really. the hope of us buys it at sue glenn is that if you go out last night as you don't cope what is observed really classic may see. laid down. in the simple good it. is sucky sucky sucky due to a for me. what is an art loss register certificate the precious open sesame of the art market
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a document which states that an object wasn't stolen. founded in london twenty five years ago as a private information service with over four hundred thousand listed objects art loss register who owns the largest database of stolen artifacts in the world. for a fee any buyer or seller can ask art loss register to verify that a piece is not listed on its database. these registrations. could also be registrations from a museum just in case items ever started on the register them on the database just in case they show up for sale somewhere else and most stuff is examples of the surface from the national museum of iraq. in two thousand and three and two thousand and four. and what was amazing is they were very careful and you can tell it was well because they went into the basement once they'd stolen everything and
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they destroyed all the documentation for the objects so that people would know what had been stolen unfortunately the major objects have been recorded elsewhere. they can see actually a different words that we've entered just to help bring that up so here they were wrong they were put. braided have something like that. in the case of the baghdad museum an inventor really existed so stolen objects could be captured on to the database but in war zones very few museums keep precise invent a reason and there is no way that objects discovered during illegal digs will ever be listed obviously that's incredibly difficult when you're looking at lucci don't logical material that has been looted out of the ground if it's taken out of the ground then potentially the only people that even know of its existence of the people who dug it out. and yet this
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certificate is widely used on the antiquities market as is the case for tom's sarcophagus. i wish i had a clue powers. i would say. ates we've always been very clear about what our certificates are for and they state very clearly that an item is not in our database and has not been registered with us but that not every theft or loss or looting event is registered with us say it's not complete. the art loss register certificate nonetheless remains the main document supplied by a seller to prove his or her good faith a precious certificate which can multiply the price of an object by ten but why is this was provided by a private company and not by a public body at least on
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a european level changes in national laws you go across an interesting nation states in the make it very difficult to resolve issues relating to stolen art in particular because suddenly limitation periods change principles of acquiring good title change is something that people take advantage of to get around the system. and. radicalism is on the rise across the globe and we're told it's every west we're told we're supposed to be highly suspicious of everybody and everything but our government policies aimed at tackling radicalisation in fact pushing youngsters to
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with the absence of common legislation and with skyrocketing prices trafficking has taken on industrial proportions. that it will be in the minority but the evolution is very good but there is an intelligent the list below sea level i do not meet that look it up but it will come and join us and repeat this story to us a lot don't be surprised at the second japanese out of the second at the argument and indeed a south of us that if you know your generality and you don't know is that the teacher then that us earth out there is played as a catalyst to the brain activity think that as i said that because today is have direct access to the market all they need to do is post their object online where it can be sold anonymously in recent years the number of websites selling
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archaeological artifacts has increased or hundred fold on one of them we found this clay nail probably from a rock officially this type of object has been banned from sale since two thousand and four but on these platforms no one cares about origin export licenses or legal documents it's the final stage of what has become global trafficking. believed to be the third highest illegal trade in the world antiquities trafficking was rarely in the public eye and they usually got the. best it has gone unnoticed for years but footage of destruction by the islamic state of iraq and the levant isis has caused a major international commotion. being here oh me my. scenery let me to let you to know.
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its founding has been suspected of part financing it's a go to the tease through antiquities trafficking. see poor good it is. now and again i guess with nonstick said that they did then that two security in the three said maddon it took until it is like you think that. this was a key subject at a press conference to present the new red list published by i called the international council of museums for fifteen years i com has been publishing lists of rare objects from various countries which threatened to turn up on the international art market this time it concerned antiquities from iraq and syria suspected of financing eisel operations as proof that the subject is being taken seriously several international figures attended the meeting including richard
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stengel representing the us government who would launch the offensive or you might mr we just don't go and essentially has these the department. also why. are you going to. good evening i'm delighted to be here what we've seen over the last year is i saw as weaponization of information and the cultural destruction that they're practicing is the weapon ization culture so this is a destruction of history and destruction of culture and the destruction of human beings thousands of human beings at the risk of being too graphic. i would say that burying or selling an artifact is where finances the beheadings of muslims in the middle east. don't sell that's one quick solution.
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you know by now selling is a very good slogan it's obviously impossible to completely police it and to be certain about it. one of the things that we've seen is that isolates using existing criminal markets that have existed over ten twenty thirty years in the region they're using those people as middlemen to finance their operations. but how do we know what exactly is going on in the field absa the association for the protection of syrian archaeology has been recording cases of plundering in syria the association based in strasbourg and founded in twenty eleven at the outbreak of the country's civil war is headed by syrian archaeologist. according to information gathered by eisel isn't the only armed group plundering sites in syria
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all the actors in the conflict are to blame. li who. will act here in mass military talks here youngster. oh you didn't know. an example. that. this is supposed. to dodge. city money on the many people. sick. with siri. what's the extent of this. trafficking and how do the local networks that supply had to operate to find the answers you need to go into the field so ship most makes regular visits to turkey to meet other members of his
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association. only in the war as correspondents could easily cross the turkish syrian border but turkey recently closed entry into its territory. the same your stock of. the c.e.o. but they are. not the sessions on the p.c.b. that you there live pushing it up to have. to see you. up to get it could eat option is it on the case for the increase never be you know he just lost most depressing able to keep up the quality to find. it easy enough but little going to mitt romney job to sit in a semi no suitable place and be cured of. the.
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and i limited my sight on all my most new vanishing point book at home he's repeatedly on your people the only. you know me. sick it can't have it in this world i don't why did you speak. nobody. should have been meant for the levy you didn't get stoned on those you prove also why he personally am if not to respond it's there you are going to continue to contact. b.s. guy they told could go to others or more you know. don't need any.
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sooner rather. than say not so long ago it was still possible to cross the border and large quantities of merchandise alive here in gaza and ten sixty kilometers from the syrian border. according to several sources this turkish city is a hub for the trafficking of objects plundered by isis showing bush. show money. doesn't have is full of antiquities stores in one window check most spots what he thinks artifacts smuggled in from syria. before the earthquake that lead you to start.
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that you then started to shout i'm actually initials like yes you're seriously seriously. you know this whole thing. seems to be a. particular sound with music in the chemistry happen then there's the insults you went through thirty today no most if you still miss it but the city by the. syrians and the south. of them. a lot of them yellow new york. some of them one of the muslim american ramadan i mean there are not and they are. not going to be
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a lot of the. original if they get that someone almost. made it about it it gives them with a paltry. amount of. maple one of these objectives as you sample it forth for you know visual if. you vashti. because we won't create hopefully for peace well sure because it would be spitting police action maybe only people with limited off lived. in or can. see the city react to. the. last minute they always. did i think in norman i said the need some part of me a very dizzy. or blanket child they tell me
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a good deal i make up the. community. obs to secure him keep on a lot then buy it if you can match them but not us if you cannot be chic they do critics any mail was a wreck is no santa claus nass stand there thought that the sun don't all agree and please the. council on the back to lead the german judge sign a bad. day. yet the cossack of their heritage i cannot sit at the back it was do says she passe. i it's no longer possible to publicly sell all purchase an archaeological object without legal documented proof of origin. the pressure on private collectors has increased. any of their acquisitions can be examined at
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a time. that's proper for. muslims through the use of is that one. reporter super. woman and when you say is that one also i don't know what i think your walk on water is both evil and emotional these are pretty careful to avoid if you are going on a gallup poll says the same forty killing anybody who says it's legal or. a legal question the clues each year and a commitment to kids like you are now with a close group of school going to see if they move knowing you can do the p.l.o. schools monder ph if we are it was just a truly did you know what i thought that it looks even although he's in tucson. some don't say on acceptance of the course of the. ski or.
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exclusively whose fortunes you get you follow cause they call on somebody to get on is up so i suppose and i'm sure i'll survive it because waiting on. the funding talk all but it was our. laws to do employ. them since civil court has offered them to. a. news reporter while the rules receive a similar device one is across one when you have. to divorce it in an easier or repressed moment when the alladin this year a. more difficult through or me a gal or the lawyer get office to work. after an eight hour search the customs officers seized one hundred and twenty three pieces archaeologists have estimated
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the value of the collection at ninety five dollars euros the collector will be questioned further at the customs offices is facing three years in jail. she took it as. if you were there if you. know what. day it would be calling you or if you had lost a fit. suppose she said. and. they go to the shop. as european dealers and collectors are subjected to a growing number of controls they now represent only a small part of the international antiquities market far behind the chinese a new category of collector has appeared every year in europe they flock to spend. allies to auctions ready to spend fortunes to buy back their national heritage.
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to have a spending spree that has seen prices skyrocket and guaranteed. that you don't get a. very good week out i know. i see steve as my spawn r.c.l. again there's a month this year in the peak of all event don't and the taliban for the. me puppet who were tons of so you may appreciate one of these examples. of own place home but you invented the needy leaky belong to my decades mino whole thing can only bust like usual police hold on the media on us and so me to demean and oh. yes he's doing it you better mention your. ass right there you had it better you coming up afternoon on a budget sheen. that's it the no six you don't got boy sitting there up at
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a yellow she. says so much rather elated don't pee on me your sons for a softer august second friday it did. such a good to do or not but i could put that question right on about them and sometimes i'm going to present a lot don't tell and it's only present both on. i don't. want to forcibly. did that. except they did a nice defense of a new says so i began. to reason gomez is sure he'll find a nato is prepared to buy this chinese seal is because wealthy chinese buyers are willing to invest fortunes in highly symbolic assets. these assets include a good number of plundered national treasures objects with a high financial and ideological value. purchases are driven by
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a strong patrie arctic feeling and encouraged by the state. of the us. in the euro hundreds. if a town toward the. pension down obama levy when the hot. hot to go. home being shared city utah. this is bob believes that those who wish to become cultured should invest in safeguarding national heritage she has even founded an association which aims to repatriate historical masterpieces through any means. food see that records see the got so much of that soil tashi you tenderfeet how shitty that means that this is your father said that the heat leak could see him
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truly that jennifer taiyo show that evil will. not go miss regularly visits mrs barnes home and headquarters to collect the funds necessary for buying back plundered chinese works that are sold in europe i am a foreigner working in china since long time i understood that when there isn't a question of really when. there is no beyond of china's but only one voice it's a national really it belongs to our national and everybody sings the same things you know event if our country's. taken to german soldiers. but here was the other day he had to hit the bush would you do it at the bush would you do it or. care tony the only just to wash out and up.
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to what i tell you he shall in about are told. so soon quade so gentle so gentle function or she should go back. to your fate ha ha. saw that soldier she is out that you open. the message got across in the west to plundered artifacts must be returned to china otherwise sooner or later you will be held accountable former president of the french union of antique dealers christian did he personally paid the price. in the late one nine hundred ninety s. he bought a collection of chinese gold plates the for selling part of it to french businessman in hong swapping no for one million euros later the two men donated the plates to the queen mainly newseum in paris where.
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a few years after their donation the chinese announced that the plates had been looted and beijing demanded the repatriation in two thousand and seven the first lawsuit was filed but not pursued eighty years on did he receive a phone call from the french culture ministry is all de c. knew no. don't sit if i see you don't send you pool i've done as you need for the children. but only real name law accomplices. ok so question did he cancelled his donation to the green a museum and flew to china to return the plates to the authorities the other generous patron of the arts fall swap you know would return his plates in person to the chinese ambassador in paris
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a month before the official visit to beijing by french foreign minister. a model for cultural diplomacy. is taken uneek. count. on. dani babb. claim as you all were. the debt is very immune film it is yours she averred vicious if we receive a little less all fed will do the needy bears the i pray you had to deal guess your loss. bargaining that has taken on a new dimension. and. parity is now being
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used for political leverage as a bargaining chip between states. the status of antiquities has changed once thought of as part of the heritage of all mankind cultural assets are now being held hostage by armed groups and used by states for narrow nationalist political and economic agenda as. action is needed by imposing tougher rules recognized by all through international organizations cultural heritage may regain its true place in our societies.
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filmmakers and the front lines i feel like i know it i have the data prove. witness on al-jazeera. hard place. zira. hello i'm maryam namazie this is the news hour live from london coming up. the socialist when the most seats in spain's general election but as no clear majority for the left or the right. a second meeting between protest leaders in
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sudan and the military is this post until monday. and the synagogue shooting described by donald trump as a hate crime california police question a suspected far right sympathizer. in schools around me as a point formula one grand prix them a safe driver now leads the world championship and if there is how many. believe. the ruling the socialists have won the most seats in the spanish election but it's neither left nor the right holds a clear majority led by the prime minister has the socialist set to win one hundred twenty three seats the conservative people's party which was ousted after a corruption scandal last year has sixty five the worst of a result see adonis the populist centrist party which has shifted to the right is
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projected to get fifty seven seats and the left wing populist party but demos has thirty five the far right vox fati has twenty three seats and is poised to become the first far right to enter the spanish parliament and voter turnout was very high in this election at seventy five percent we have two cars. once following the election closely jonah hall is standing by in barcelona first though we can speak to sunny gago what's party rally in the spanish capital and i can see people waving flags and they appear to be celebrating behind you sonia rocks might be about to enter parliament for the first time but they haven't done perhaps as well as they might have hoped for. was really the atmosphere on the ground here gives folks supporters is really rather telling this is exactly the result they anticipated even better than what they expected as well but what it really shows thing about radical shift in what's happening there's
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a monitor politics in the last few years what you have seen now is as you mentioned recently the president of the first of his the franco of the far right of the our house of parliament well that is in part due to the fact that support had been hemorrhaging from the traditional good the right wing party the people's party the competitor of the socialist party of course many voters and how angry at how government the party when it was our government dealt with cancer like i said was that of course that is good to see. you so much was said to write citizens parties well which is done with great love and even upright who are more seats as well to the polls so the main winner is a socialist party their own head still not enough to let the majority but strangely quite interesting have to see who they are going to try to coalition with their options that are on the table. that is going to be sort of in the coming days ago
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a lot of the typical of something a lot of ideas being exchanged services are now as far as the supporters of folks are concerned this is the night this is their moment and what they say the big entrance into the mainstream what six mariama. but as you say it's the socialist that are ahead with pedro sanchez increasing his part. he's share of seats in the parliament but bottom but he won't get enough to be able to govern alone where that might attention time now who might he try to reach out to in an effort to form a coalition. with the various options on the table what was being discussed before election day he was a possibility the socialists doing the deal was old enough to start to night so you can see this is our hope is that really has a lot of white strong left leaning says well as snowstorm it was dirty is going to
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ruin your lives a republican aussie is well on with that they are natural allies wondering what he made a son of a line of. bull old gesture that they would suppose a child and i situation is oh well we'll see that this is the actual policy. of it was a genius was told that he has a positive there was well so that is also a very important fact it is also but let's don't write off the sense of reverence for us citizens who are see as well while they are day to day i bet you made it to save a little bit is not an answer is not in the coalition with the socialist party but is the one who goes got his job loss of militancy and stuck with one of the most surprising turnouts if indeed that would be suggested to him in the coming days i am thank you very much son i gather in madrid to i'm joanna hall is in barcelona force and so what might be the implications on these early results for catalonia.
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for catalonia and the independence movement it's interesting to note that this issue of independence has come to be said to the national political debate that is in some ways changed the face of spanish politics over the last eighteen months has returned. unfilled just maybe seven percent of the national parliament in madrid this is an election that is in no way that answered the fundamental question what next for the independence movement here is gone largely dormant in the last eighteen months well of its leaders you can see some of their pictures their portraits up there in prison in madrid on on trial on charges of rebellion and sedition in some ways baptise good news for them and the socialists are likely to form the next government perceived as more sympathetic certainly than a right wing coalition including box might have been but if the rise of bob has
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achieved nothing else it is to have shifted the end higher national debate towards the nationalist right making it extremely difficult to imagine any government no matter its color or strike making significant concessions to the independence movement so more than ever i think it looks like an issue that is going to rumble on without resolution here for a long time to come out. yes and as he said a the catalan crisis was very much at the forefront of this election. does it look as though it could divide the country even further given that there's clearly not been any any resolution as a result and this might. well parties have staked their claim now to this issue led by boxes that dragging the whole debate to the right no party on the right will now concede anything a socialist a stock they had been perceived as more sympathetic federal scientists had put at
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the idea of negotiations he was immediately branded a traitor by the right for doing so that impart led to the rise of what since december he's unlikely to be in a hurry to make that mistake again to this if you will continue to be at the heart of the. right even if it isn't of course at the heart of the social good right at least up to date of course politics driving things as they do it isn't going to work thank you very much jonah hall in barcelona and we are going to bring you much more on the results of the spanish election a bit later on in the program also coming up on this news out in libya the wall of honey faffed as eastern forces continue to lay siege to the capital tripoli and as strike by one of his helicopters killed four civilians on saturday a candlelit vigil in sri lanka one week on from the east to bomb attacks which are forced many to pray in private. and then later in sports and other rec or for
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kenya's marathon man and he will be here with that story later. further talks between the sudanese opposition groups in the military have been postponed until monday the two sides had been due to meet again on sunday after announcing the formation of a joint council late on saturday night it will leave the country and till elections are eventually held protesters hope that will pave the way for a civilian government mohamed odeh from khartoum. a kind of a mood of the sea an old port side the sudanese military headquarters in cut. they are reacting to news of progress in negotiations between the transitional military council and protest leaders every hope is fun and into the square. better for us to remain here then return to anything similar to what we had in the
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past we have suffered for thirty years we need a swift and final solution and. a joint transitional council which would include military representation is on the cards negotiations have not yet us publish the personalities who would leave the country in transition to a full democracy but all sides a hopeful that they will eventually reach an agreement on but. now. there's been a discussion on the points in which there were differences of viewpoints and i think the discussion is continuing in a positive in federal way and that has encouraged us. some of the issues that dealing with include the period of transition would it be two or four years and whether the military will retain control of security and defense ministers and many people is this a done cut at the protesters with the progress the chips fall for their colombia for peaceful democratic dispensation may be far from over but they say the struggle
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they started here could potentially shape a new era on the african continent. encouraged by progress so far now a string of concessions by the transitional military council the mood within the protesters is one of defiance. today doesn't stop them gathered outside a building where the opposition popular congress party was holding a meeting chanting no place for islamists at least sixty four party members were wounded in the ensuing violence something that's been condemned by both the military and pro. as. we've passed through a lot for the last thirty years every kind of crime has been committed against justice is corruption the killing done in the name of religion in the uk where we want to secular government. protesters are also quick to point out they are against a well and trenched deep state that wants to see
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a continuation of the policies of the past but they're foremost priority they say is the immense task chipping the transition from thirty years of military rule mohamad the walshes either. and have a morgan brings us more from khartoum now on why today's plan to go shay sions or postponed the second round of talks between the military council and the opposition coalition was supposed to be held on sunday evening but that has been postponed to monday both sides said that they needed time for further consultations on saturday they agreed on a joint military simple transitional government but the two sides are yet to agree on how that transitional government should look like the military wants as a military transitional government with civilian representation but the opposition coalition wanted to be a civilian government with military representation so both sides said that they are going to talk to their respective to their respective members discussed it and then come to the table on monday and present it to each other and take it from there.
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