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tv   Mohammad Javad Zarif  Al Jazeera  May 6, 2019 5:32pm-6:01pm +03

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like this. number one you are looking some way to make a interesting headline that terrorism is defined in a new way when it comes to look at it at the india i'm going to reject that outright as a political person and as an advocate i can count you out all the lights in india which is the gaudy part of india's history starting from one nine hundred forty seven right up still no one's ability to ask me i mean i'm like no no no i'm not so there's no we're not there's a lot of things we have i don't disagree with genocide i'm sorry let's you know but what about the genocide of eighty four again you're not about imagine you're literally saying what about about i'm not going to think that i don't question it a lot i guess in fact i've become a hollywood editor that not to let me get under i saying muslims jews christians sikhs all carry out acts of terror you're the only one saying hindu there's not going to get every act of violence mel and i disagree with you and i will continue to disagree because you're looking at defining every act of violence as dead or doesn't and i making a qualified well let's take it that if it were running out of time let's take
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a specific case right now the g.o.p. has nominated for parliament a radical hindu nationalist name praga singh tuck or who is currently on bail facing tara charges under your indian legal system for her alleged involvement in a two thousand and eight bomb attack that killed six people can you point to a governing party anywhere in the democratic world which nominates candidates for office who are on trial for terrorism well you should have come in attended her getting in the honorable supreme court where within that to go. in so many years of investigation under different regimes of government and i'm talking pragmatically of how to position body the congress party which went in and couldn't find an iota of evidence against you can't incarcerate a person just because you believe that she may have committed an act of confused it's as similar lays out on bail maybe i'm mistaken she's not on trial for terrorism. i'm saying that you're ok with i wasn't on trial for terrorism standing in parno she has
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a man i guess i'm waiting all right maybe she was framed but right now she's currently on trial for terrorism and she's running as a candidate for your party and my answer to that is exactly what i said a moment ago all the supreme court is where finally she got to be on the basic guns go read the judgment don't ask me read the judgment don't you tell your viewers so solemnly throughout the case and she's innocent is that what you're saying i never said that was the only way to go in the central point i'm simply saying that there is not an iota of evidence that trial is going to trial eventually as it's happened with another person of the similar that we agree on trial you believe she's innocent but right now she is on trial for terrorism including one final question given we've seen this insurance in communal violence the car vigilante killings which we didn't have time to discuss the anti muslim rhetoric which we did discuss your government's even been accused of rewriting history books to take out the muslim rulers there's a lot of talk about hindu nationalism right now on your watch is it fair to say
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that the ultimate goal of a b j p government in the long run is to turn india into a hindu rashtra a hindu state is that the ultimate goal. constitutionally india is a country where every religion is given equal rights all indian citizens we are first indian citizens then we are in those muslims christians but the so whatever think that's how it is the muslims who stayed back in one thousand four hundred seven chose to make india their land and into the constitution got rights for themselves as muslims or christians or whatever and so that's not something you support you don't support a hindu russia but look i mean let me said bluntly muslims are as much citizens of india as in those us so are christians so are brothers so there is no denial of the fact that we are all indian citizens first you say the constitution gives you that likely but you still got out of the question do you support a hindu state building just hindu state yes or no we are a country that is not theological you rooted in. logic we are a country that runs on the constitution that's your answer pick up the constitution
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and the constitution doesn't speak of a in the lot of muslim state pakistan runs on islam india and all members of the b.g.p. do talk about hindu states i'm just wondering do you know in cali support that call for hindu state well that's a thirty minute debate to understand in what context its use not to convert india into a theologically driven induced state unfortunately we have another thirty minutes and ellen callie. is not appreciate you joining me on that front thank you. more than two hundred fifty people were killed on easter sunday when coordinated bomb blasts tore through multiple sites in sri lanka i still claim responsibility and according to a new report at least one of the suicide bombers trained in syria with the group and that's reignited the debate in the west over what to do with the thousands of foreign fighters who've been captured should they be allowed to return home earlier i spoke to mr gifford a self-styled anti eisel campaigner who fought with the kurdish why p.g. in syria and just a middle girl former pentagon official in the obama administration i began by
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asking jasmine why she believes eisel fighters should be repatriated back to the u.s. the u.k. and elsewhere so the alternative to law. taking them back now to leave them where they are right now and that means leaving some of them under control of the s.d.f. in syria which is a non-state actor and has no capacity to handle them and the other option is to leave the others and iraq under the capacity or under the jurisdiction of the iraqi government which has really shown that it also doesn't have the capacity to try them in a fair or humane manner where people are shoved into courtrooms and they have five minute trials after which they could be sentenced to death for those isis fighters who are not able to be tried in courts there are languishing in prisons they could either escape or in the meantime be further radicalized neither of those options are good for the west what's wrong with bringing them back to their home countries where they were born and raised where they have citizenship i'm trying them i actually disagree with just one of the options on the table that has already
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declared is that they're willing to crane's in international courts in syria pops on the syrian iraqi border to try. fighters and their supporters at the moment they remain a huge threat to the west they've been eyed. indoctrinated since they're only. been receiving a huge amount of military training and we simply can't take the risk of allowing these people hundreds of well trained jihadi to float back into the west back into britain back into your back to america and potentially cause another terrorist acts but most of not all of them are quote unquote joe how do you or terrorists or fighters we read a lot these days on the boat was about the quote unquote broods young women who went down for whatever reason no one to defend why they went but go and get married have kids and now realise they made a big mistake may have committed crimes too but not terrorists i want to come home
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and i'm going to face the music how can you be approached to go. no i disagree that . the women are just as culpable as the men many of them women fought alongside isis fighters on the front line as evidence of this young lady for instance. stitching suicide vests on to islamic states since these people are well trained as much of part of a part of the islamic state machinery as the men and alone the back and into the west is incredibly dangerous take one example someone debating a young man that spent time in libya whose father and brother was fighting in libya and he came was allowed to come back to this country where he detonated a suicide vest in manchester arena killing dozens of young girls so that's the threat that we face just one of these people who commit a terrible crime drug reform did on ability. first of all it's really really
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difficult to hold an international tribunal to try isis fighters because internationally there is no one agreed upon definition of terrorism on the ice that's a bride's i fundamentally disagree with this idea that we know that every single woman and then you for minors who went to travel to syria to join isis were doing so because they wanted to commit crimes to commit terrorist attacks or in the case of show my might be good which i agree with may say that she actually was culpable because they wanted to help recruit other women many of these women and we know this both anecdotally and from intelligence genuinely wanted to go live under an islamic state they were tired of being looked at as the other in europe tired of being looked at differently because they were wearing a head job or a niqab and they just wanted to practice a pious life now once they got there they realized that that was not what was happening and a lot of them have since expressed a desire to come home to live with i'm going to make
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a very good point if you made the point that if if even one of them comes about it could be dangerous could you turn that on its head not all of them are dangerous even though. all of them just made a mistake with a young person the teenager was to come home and fix their life an obstacle whatever crimes that may be involved and how can you be against that. maybe even if ninety percent ninety five percent of them want to return back to the u.k. and return back to their normal lives. one present a risk there is an argument they can come back for the truth then it just takes more but more important than that what does that say about our country that we allow these people to leave the u.k. to leave to leave europe go to syria to fight alongside the islamic state that has devastated syria iraq kill thousands of young boys and men and teachers as well and so i'm delivering those across the mesa but whatever else about the u.k. or the u.s. that they would strip citizenship from these people the u.k. is strips of the ship from should be a big i'm on the grounds that she is the daughter of bangladeshi immigrants to the
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u.k. that seems to a lot of people to be racist you don't stripping citizenship from white isis fighters only from the brown ones well that's not true it hasn't been stripped of his citizenship yet but there's one young man so-called jihadi jack jack let's he is liable to have his citizenship renewed since he is also a citizen of canada doesn't get a lot of that of any other country she was born of brought up in the u.k. she's raised in the u.k. she's a citizen of the u.k. shouldn't she therefore be tried in the u.k. under the rights that she has a citizen but under british law you can have your citizenship removed if your parents are from a remote but that's not a country or if your theories are from another country but if your parents are not from another country you can't have your for them to rule that is a double standard based on immigrant status many would say that's racist to me for british law but just because the hardliners of that i really do exist. if i can just add i jacked it's not as if i can do that so i can say this i'd like to make
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a point first of all. u.k. foreign minister does want. strip her of citizenship because he says that she is a citizen of bangladesh both both her share self and the government of bangladesh has said she is not a citizen of bangladesh so effectively she would be stripped of her citizenship and we cannot render any person stateless the second is that we cannot deny a person's right to return to their country of origin which as you know assad in syria is doing to refugees who want to come home it's against international law it's against the geneva conventions the other thing is that we have an obligation to follow the principles of humanity and we have to act humanely in an armed conflict to there's. a lot of these people boom proudly so that is such a good point that he that is such an important point because what a lot of people who are against the idea of repatriation are saying is exactly what
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you just said these people revoke to their own right to be citizens of our countries they burned their passports they left they want to fight us and destroy our civilizations yes that is what isis wanted to do that is not what we do as western states that is not who we are that is not who the united states is it's not with the united kingdom is we don't abide by the standards that isis set so we follow our own law we follow international law because the worst thing to do right now is after working so hard and spending so much money blood and treasure to defeat isis militarily it's to give them that propaganda victory that moral victory to let them know that they made us walk away from our friends and our values the only thing that i would say is that she is currently and she's most of its issues and i present company on syria the british government has taken the view that she's a threat to the u.k. that she has. parents citizenship is not an automatic rights. and
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she has been stripped of us it's a nationalist returned to her family's country forged. to make any sense that is not a home base so you keep repeating it what do you mean bangladesh's i have not heard of montreal richard only a very firm not. just me. but that's not that's not the same so in the in the united states if you are born in the us you are a citizen of the us if you are born in the u.k. under british law that doesn't automatically mean that your apartment citizen. says that you have a right to be implications and she will just punish you as a british something that was screwed jasmine let me ask you this the danes talk about quote unquote deal radicalisation are you saying that they should be brought back and rehabilitated or brought back and punished. i'm just saying they should be brought back and put under trial and determined whether they were actually a criminal and a threat in which case we should prosecute them to the fullest extent of our laws
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or if they were deemed to be ideologically sort of straying and want to go to the islamic state just to live under islamic law then they should be rehabilitated my point mehdi is an important one here because i want to challenge the premise that we are allowing them to come back and just wander in the streets and hang out at starbucks and pose a threat to our societies that's not what i'm saying these western countries including the u.k. have the capabilities to bring them back put them under trial under criminal laws in those countries which it wasn't easy to really prosecute i think fourteen of the four hundred people who have come back. to prosecute these people in the. park ok but what it's not easy it's not easy but it's not him but it's not easy but it's not impossible we have laws on the books the alternative to bringing them back and trying them however difficult it is is to let them stay in syria and iraq potentially becoming more radicalized and posing a greater risk to us in the future in a place where we can't control them or account for them already radicalized doesn't
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becomes a life sentence. zero world hears from three palestinian women whose lives have been dictated by their relationships with men in prison. wedding on hold on al-jazeera. calling a truce palestinian leaders agree a ceasefire with israel after days of airstrikes and rocket attacks. are more about this and this is all it is here on live from doha also coming up
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president donald trump announces new tariffs on chinese goods but beijing still plans to attend an upcoming meeting to resolve the trade dispute. and a warning to iran the u.s. deploys an aircraft carrier and bombers to the middle east. a russian passenger plane the bursts into flames. after making an emergency landing killing at least forty one people. a cease fire between israel and palestinian groups appears to be holding off to days of cross border airstrikes and rocket attacks so far there have been no reports of any violations since the cease fire came into force qatada egypt brokered the deal after hours of mediation twenty four palestinians were killed in the gaza strip and four israelis have died in southern israel during the violence in the past few days natasha name is in the israeli city of ashkelon near the gaza about the offense she's got more on the ceasefire. at four thirty monday morning
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and also the first day of the holy month of ramadan this ceasefire went into effect after six hundred rockets were fired into israel three hundred twenty targets in gaza and almost thirty people killed in this latest skirmish between hamas and israel the deadliest round of violence in twenty fourteen elses hero has spoken it with a representative of a popular resistance committees and he tells us that qatar egypt and international groups helped broker this cease fire he says that israel has agreed pacifically to take measures that will help alleviate the humanitarian situation in the gaza strip and specifically that it will abide by its remit it has previously made in april during a bout of violence prior to the israeli elections these measures include easing the blockade expanding
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a zone in the mediterranean sea where fishermen can work allowing more goods into gaza particularly industrial goods that israel has worried might be used to make weapons allowing qatar to do forty million dollars to help pay government workers and assist the poor down the line again israel has agreed to allow five thousand gazans into israel to work and to help establish an industrial zone along the israel and gaza border for now will be a rise crossing is closed but it will open tomorrow and then be closed for the remainder of the week that is really opposition and is responding to this ceasefire as you would imagine not very favorably some are characterizing this agreement as blackmail by hamas. there's a feeling that that these will be moving toward a policy of the road in deterrence that it so rendered yet again. you will find
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five minister in israeli elections has actually said that what this bill should have done was to continue with uncompromising force and that all the government has done is lead us to the next military type and. president donald trump is stepping up pressure on china to resolve the trade dispute says the u.s. will raise tariffs on two hundred billion dollars worth of chinese products to twenty five percent on friday as announcement comes two days before representatives from both countries to resume trade talks. i think the top priority now is that the u.s. and china could work together and meet each other half white and i can see spaced on mutual. benefits both which is not only in line with the interests of china and the u.s. there but also makes the expectation of the international community well aaron
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brown's live for us in beijing adrian if i understand it correctly there's still some dispute over whether or not vice premier premier league will heed the china's lead negotiating official for this is actually going to be going do we know further or not the team that's going to be going from china is actually going to be prepared to make any trade deals. well you're right it's not clear clear the moment whether lou her will actually lead this delegation in washington it's too i think to leave either later today or early tomorrow and we don't know at this stage if he will be leading the delegation there has been some suggestion that he might well turn up in washington once it's clear that a deal is going to be signed between the two sides now lou her actually was in washington you know early last year and it was always to visit and he returned to beijing not getting what he thought he was going to get and i don't think he wants to be in a situation where you know he loses face once more but it's astonishing isn't it
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rob that just one tweet by president donald trump was a nephew was enough to cause the biggest fall in the shanghai index in more than three years in fact the shans then stock market did even worse it fell by more than seven percent so these are very big falls and a reminder that the stock markets here in china remain very fragile at the moment now what happens next well you know president from in that double tweet he sent out on sunday night is essentially accusing the chinese of backpedaling and also going back on promises that they had made earlier and what the united states clearly seems to want is a deal that has teeth and also a deal that the united states is able to effectively police because at the end of the day if this deal is going to be signed and most analysts seem to believe it is going to happen it's go or going to come down at the end of the day to enforcement . it in thanks very much indeed.
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the u.s. is deploying an aircraft carrier group to the middle east to send what it calls a clear message to iran the u.s.s. abraham lincoln and its support ships have been dispatched national security advisor john bolton says it's in response to what he calls troubling developments in the region elizondo has more from washington d.c. . this statement by the united states announcing that they would be sending this aircraft carrier and bombers to the middle east came as a big surprise the statement came out from the national security adviser john bolton late on sunday night a little bit before nine pm local time here in washington d.c. it was a short statement but a key part of it was this part when there was bolton said in the statement that the aircraft carrier is being sent to the region to send a clear and unmistakable message to the iranian regime that any attack on the united states' interests or on those of our allies will be met with unrelenting
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force that's part of the statement from john bolton now it's not unusual for the u.s. to send an aircraft carrier to the middle east as a deterrent to iran but what is very different in this case is this is a very significant deployment here it's not only an aircraft carrier but it's also ships that go with the aircraft carrier plus plus bombers planes as well so it's a significant deployment to the region also very unusual that when the u.s. would do this that the national security adviser would then send out a statement telegraphing where they're sending this this carrier and why in this statement clearly pointing the finger directly at iran and very bellicose language that's important to point out that this particular battle group was already deployed left the united states on april first according to the navy's website so it was already in the mediterranean it's just now being redeployed towards the
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middle east now late on sunday the wall street journal newspaper is reporting that this was a decision that was made just in the last couple days after the u.s. received according to the wall street journal new intelligence on iran that iran could be threatening some u.s. interests in the region that according the wall. street journal according to at least one u.s. government source we did reach out to the state department for some more information they did confirm this deployment of military assets to the middle east but beyond that and no further comment. well for more on this let's bring in flight izadi integrand he's a professor in the department of american studies attack iran university thank you very much indeed for giving us your time and al-jazeera. was saying there it's not unusual for the americans to bring in a warship or have a naval presence in the region particularly in relation to its view on iran but how
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do you think iran is likely to react to the potential presence of bomber planes and also to john bolton's statement and the nature of it. people are worried about john bolton in tehran he wrote an article in may of two thousand and fifteen in the new york times asking for a military confrontation with iran we had a really extensive report by the new yorker last week saying that baldwin has been obsessed with iran because i think from the new yorker piece is that his main focus in the last twenty years has been iran welton has an extensive name with a terrorist organization that is trying to overthrow the iranian government he actually got forty thousand dollars in two thousand and sixteen based on the new yorker report from that organization so people are worried about bolton you know he is the hawkish pro-war. individual he might not even
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within the republican party in terms of his hawkish views he doesn't see any difference between israeli and american interests and some people worry about him and this is a tool in his hands that he can use to pressure iran obviously iran will respond very severely if there is a military attack on the country. one of the accusations that john bolton but also other elements of the trumpet ministration and parts of the american government as well and defense have been accused of trying to enforce some sort of regime change in iran but obviously that would require. some sort of upsurge of of support from the iranian people themselves how is this kind of these kind of statements by john bolton this kind of military action by the trumpet ministration and the american government translating to the people themselves in iran.
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it's actually helping the iranian government because the people here about the military confrontation so the money that the government spends on iran's military now it's very much justified because the. military is dominated by. republican guards corps which john bolton put on the terrorist organizations a few weeks ago and the support for the military increases in iran you have this knowledge of. the flag and that's what's happening in tehran people understand that their own honey administration has been trying to reduce tensions with the new united states that's why we have the need for the agreement. of the obama administration and the fact that the u.s. got out of the agreement without any reason any serious reason and the fact that they are talking about sending. ships to the persian gulf and talk about.

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