exactly exactly so take me all in how you went about picking up where jamal left off trying to finish what it was he started here so you might be aware of the project that omar abdel aziz was working on and of course is a project that was started in association was about actually. and the idea behind it is you know these guys the saudi regime they weaponize twitter they manipulate the media and they manipulate the platform in order to do really dark things and to just to fight really dark things why don't we do the same but in the in the opposite direction in other words why don't we also manipulate twitter to push our own narratives which are basically you know pro freedom pro profit off expression pro-human rights etc. so that was one line of attack and i would i would mention here that i have a certain philosophical difference let's say with this approach of course i was not

involved in that project at all but i have this philosophical difference because i think maybe fighting fire with fire is not the best strategy because they simply have so much more fire. the 2nd approach i mean there's 3 approaches i prefer not to mention the 3rd approach at least for the meanwhile because it's very much a work in progress and it's highly sensitive and it's starting to bear fruit. but i would mention the 2nd one with the 2nd one basically was. jamal's desire to create. what we eventually came to describe as an arab state media watchdog. so he actually gave me a call i believe it was if i'm not mistaken it was august 7th. and this was after or after we had communicated about the 3rd project after i had made some connections that that team needed. but in that conversation he

he summarized the idea he said you know these guys push a lot of propaganda a lot of it is outrageous and a lot of it they get away with it because they say it in the arabic language and there isn't enough awareness in the world that you know this is actually happening so he's like why don't we created this project that actually exposes the so what they do is that they segment the audience so they send a message in english there's another message in arabic why don't we cross translate so that people can see that this is what's happening and we can actually keep an eye a spotlight on their propaganda efforts what they're doing what they're saying etc and he said like some some of it would be funny. in a dark kind of way like like look how you know ridiculous the serbs and some of it would be incredibly important incredibly important for you know for understanding you know these regimes and of course he talked about this not only to me but also to the 3rd unnamed. person in the united states in the united states and of course

i understood from my comment like from my subsequent you know work on this i understood that twitter is an integral part of such a project so it's wasn't it doesn't have to be simply t.v. and press twitter is an enormous it's actually the primary propaganda tool for you know when it comes to saudi arabia. to spend a lot of time a lot of money and they actually spilled a lot of blood to maintain to create that kind of control which actually they're very proud of and we have a lot of evidence that they're very proud of their the degree of control that they have over arabic twitter what do you mean they spilled a lot of blood i mean that there are people and i mean i can't mention names here but i think soon enough this this will be this this will come out 1st of all a lot of the people who are arrest. as early as september 27th teen. of course they had a crossfire as intellectuals some of the more scholars and so troubled i think it's also important to note that there also were twitter influencers in fact we

tabulated i mean. can you talk about the saudi authorities decided 30 killing people who had become influential on twitter i mean some i was one of them but there were there were there are cases that we're aware of people who were tortured to death. and not to going to the names but tortured to death and we cannot find anything that they were doing other than twitter and this is evidence backed. unfortunately yes and we don't have as i mentioned we don't we don't want to reveal the names yet you know until we have something official we're expecting that maybe there will be an official. college went off of this at some point but there has been reporting on it ok so twitter is your battle ground in which you and people like you operate to counter the propaganda of regimes among them saudi arabia. jamal khashoggi is killed you and 2 others take on projects that you were working

with together. bring me then up to the point where you working with jeff bezos and you begin to feel. vulnerable. yes so the general idea or the general methodology. off the 2nd project is something that we had an idea about what would we never had a tar like we never tried it out in a real life investigation. this of course kind of changed when the business blackmail scandal became public the founder of amazon so the founder of amazon and also interestingly importantly the owner of the washington post owner of the employer for short of his phone was tapped allegedly. embarrassing. tweets e-mails. lifted off its means mainly you know pictures and messages that were lifted off his phone. and i i mean i don't want to get into details that

probably i should not mention i mean there's a lot i know about the case that. i should not be. i should not be speaking publicly about them. but the short story here is that jeff bezos after the murder of washington post journalist. was in a bit of a bind because this is a man who has has extensive business interests in saudi arabia he had by then a personal relationship with m.p.'s had met him several times yes. but he was also the owner of the washington post and m.b.'s just killed one of his journalists. and he was in this kind of situation where it was clear it was it became clear to us even even more you know with the investigation that m.p.'s expected basis to side with him. over the washington post and to say you know you know my business comes

1st. and you know i have this personal relationship with this man and he expected him to curb the washington post coverage that of course is not happen and jeff bezos basically when he bought the washington post and 2013 he had a good faith agreement that i'm not going to interfere in editorial policy i'm not going to enter the boardroom and he ordered that and this was something sadly this was something exactly this was something that m.b.'s so as betrayal and so you were called in to help identify the source of the leaks my role was basically aiding the investigation team in. first of all exposing the degree and the the. the saudi campaigns against jeff bezos. but also the timing of a lot of these things that happened. and of course it fell upon jeff this was investigation team to actually go in and find out exactly what happened and it was conclusive. it was there i mean according i mean to quote them to paraphrase

they concluded with a high degree of certainty that's what that's that's according to them that the saudis had access to a source for sure there's a lot of work going on here. on your behalf. and the other individual in the united states following on from jamal's who are aiming to point to figure finger not just at the saudi authorities but m.b.'s himself the crown prince himself one thing that seems to be lacking in indeed also lacking in pointing the finger at n.b.s. in the death of jamal khashoggi he's 3rd categorical undeniable evidence direct evidence he's in of all of this yet you take it as read you speak as though it is a fact based. thing if there is no direct evidence mustn't you and others accept that there is the possibility that n.b.s. in fact did not have any direct role or knowledge that's that's really these things

i mean that's that's a really interesting question i mean some people misunderstand circumstantial evidence so that the actual idea of circumstantial evidence i mean if i walk out if i'm out in outside and you're sitting inside and i walk in and i have you can see that i'm wet you can assume that it was raining outside and i have an umbrella for example you can assume that it was raining but that was not direct evidence is circumstantial it doesn't mean that it's weak evidence it simply means that it's not direct in a case of as they said before a highly pick regime which has control over information it is very rare that you will actually find direct evidence maybe it could be years before you find direct evidence and this is something they know and this is something that the they use to as i said you know run loops around us really i mean they can't they can basically be months or running years ahead. office. which unfortunately in many cases they have they have been i would point out however that in a country like saudi arabia with which is ruled by an absolute monarch and he's and

he's absolutely probably i don't think there's another country in the world in which. one person has such direct control over everything in the state it is simply impossible to think that. such such a thing as a miles murder could have been done without his knowledge and this was in fact the conclusion of the cia. to a medium to high level of probability absolutely with i mean what are the argument the use that it is it is almost impossible for something like this to happen without us as knowledge and yet all of this said and with all the cumulative work that you and others continue to do. it remains an unassailable fact that m.b.'s at this point in some of the crown prince retains the. support of

president trump the banks and the investors who pulled away from saudi arabia very publicly in the months following 2 miles murder have trickled back there are simply too much money there for them not to the spotlight shifts inexorably to saudi arabia's iran in the arab world. and so it is unlikely or seems unlikely that n.b.s. is ever going to go the way of the. mubarak's or the gadhafi is or the moral of the shoes of this world is that truly i mean i think that the chances of a popular uprising in saudi arabia is not as as you mentioned is not. doesn't have a history of popular uprisings but then again i mean libya for example didn't have on. syria until recent recently i mean didn't have one. so i would caution against you know being complacent about about you know what is that point at which the people simply say enough however i completely agree

with you and everything else the fact that. the administration in the in this world that is most capable of reining in m.b.'s is currently his biggest enabler i'm talking about trump but also importantly jarrett questioner. i mean my own sources indicate that u.s. institutions including intel including you know congress obviously are very much aware that n.b.s. is bad news but then there's the other angle which is that saudi arabia is verifiable absolutely an important country it will continue to be an important country so this presents a very interesting policy conundrum really to the world which is that we need saudi arabia. it's an interesting market it's also an important country for strategic reasons. dynamic young population you know traumatized probably after after the recent events but still important but then we also have this guy who is bad news

what do we do about it i mean this is this is absolutely a conundrum your current situation at the moment under threat you're aware of a threat how do you proceed now undeterred or cautiously. well on the one hand it's clear i mean the fact that there's been this threat and you mentioned you quoted me earlier saying you know if they don't want to kill me then i'm not doing my job and in a way when they come after you that's when you know that you're being effective you know that you hit a nerve in other words. you know the the of course again i mean they went after a lot of people that were a lot more accessible to them such as people who are living in saudi arabia and these people of course. you know i have the highest respect for their courage but also the biggest the most concern for their safety and. but knowing that you have a certain effectiveness that would prompt them to try to deter you to stop you

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to eat 2 decades following the development of her life m h. rewind returns to the story of k.k. the girl from going joe. on al-jazeera. sudan's army suspends talks with the opposition for at least $72.00 hours and walls protest is not to prevent the security forces. hello welcome to al-jazeera live from doha i'm also coming out that i would

ministration places chinese tech company huawei on a blacklist banning its use in the us. we must not allow war take piece of the table. the un says yemen is at a crossroads between war and peace. anger in alabama after the state passes america's toughest abortion all. that surrounds military has suspended the negotiations with the opposition coalition for 3 days in a televised statement the head of the ruling military council said the decision was made because of what he called an escalation by protesters who continued to block roads the opposition alliance says they regret the military council suspension of top spot maintain that the citizens will continue the reports from khartoum.

on the day that sudan's military council and the opposition coalition were supposed to announce a deal to form a transitional government a setback appears and the announcement that came was contrary to what people expected just 24 hours before. we have decided to stop all sorts of allegations actions for $72.00 hours at the freedom and justice alliance and we're going to have barricades from drugs to the bridges. it's all started on wednesday evening when protesters the affection of the sudanese military known as the rapid support forces opened fire on them after they refused to allow the removal of barricades they set up. this is a bullet casing it's one of the large ammunition what happened is that the forces beat up those guarding the barricades ahead and when the protesters tried to defend the barricades they were shot at the sudanese doctors. committee says at least a dozen people have been injured in a scene that unfolded very much like the one from monday night when 5 people were killed and more than $200.00 wounded once the evening's events happened less than

$24.00 hours after the opposition coalition and the military council which ousted sudan's 30 year president i'm going to be shear announced progress in talks to form a transitional government the coalition said the attacks were an attempt to disperse protesters at the sit in at the army headquarters less than 500 meters away it's now in its 6th week with protesters saying they're there to put pressure on the military council to hand power to civilian rule the opposition coalition which has been leading the calls for the protests and the sit in has urged protesters to remove the new barricades set up on main roads. no one will scare us with bullets will stay and face the bullets but it will be organized and united and it will have certain points a barricade can be guarded by a 1000 people but we shouldn't have thousands of barricades we can't defend our plans didn't include many of the main roads will now open those roads and return to the roads laid out in our maps. and the protesters list and they move the barricades back to the current meter set up when the sit in started on april 6th

some analysts think some factions of the military stand to lose if a deal is reached between the council and the opposition there were allegations that the security forces which. the vice president are messy. attacked the crowd on monday there were a number of deaths. and it's quite possible the same forces are involved here he is after all the kingpin in the whole of the military structure that is responsible for holding the whole of the security forces together and i dare say that he's not too happy about the idea of sharing power with the civilians meanwhile those at the sitting say they know they are the power base for the opposition and the pressure card against the military council to hand over powers they say they want and they're certain despite the violence until their demands are met with the new orders from the military council their determination to continue with the threat and will be tested he will morgan al-jazeera or to him. the u.s.

has blacklisted china's tech giant twa way out and 70 of its affiliates while way cool the restrictions on reasonable and said they infringe on its rights the announcement came just minutes after president. from using telecom equipment made by companies that a deemed to be a threat to national security. has more. executive orders signed by president trump wednesday does not name the foreign adversaries whose telecommunications equipment is being banned in the us but the commerce department immediately moved to add why wait to its blacklist all but confirming that the cell phone titan and jewel of china's telecommunications industry is now banned in the us nothing chinese firms do can be independent of the state. the pentagon has warned while ways technology could be used by the chinese government to potentially spy on americans or access sensitive networks let me be

clear there is no way or z.t. equipment in our network today and there never will be the ban is not likely to impact the telecommunications industry in the u.s. an issue that has come under congressional scrutiny as much as other countries more heavily invested in huawei secretary of state micron pale has been putting pressure on allies not to use chinese equipment as the world gears up for the rollout of 5 g. networks the next generation of mobile technology what's imperative is that we share with them the things we know about the risks that the. presence in their networks presents actual risks to their own people to the loss of privacy protections for their own people but cutting ties with huawei could be difficult for countries like canada as their top telecoms providers say replacing their equipment could cost them more than a $1000000000.00. by way executive mon one joe was arrested there at the request of

the united states on charges she helped her company evade u.s. sanctions on iran she is awaiting extradition to face charges in the u.s. if the united states has legitimate security concerns with weiwei i think the allies are prepared to listen in consider seriously what the trumpet ministration is saying but if it looks like this is all just gambit to try to improve the outcome and trade negotiations with china much of which may not benefit other countries then i think the administration risks losing allied support including close allies like last week the u.s. and china escalated the trade war by implementing hundreds of billions of dollars of additional tariffs on each other now the ban on huawei could be another bargaining chip in a conflict that's further. soured. castro al-jazeera washington the u.n.

security council has been discussing the withdrawal of his the rebels from 3 major yemeni ports the meeting was part of a 6 month review of an agreement reached in sweden the council heard that despite the deal yemen's humanitarian situation was west wing and when the say so more fighting near the southern city of thais is a diplomatic editor james pays. the port of who data the humanitarian lifeline for yemen a place where the u.n. once again has access after an inspection by the head of the international monitoring mission general michael long as he declared the who thiis had carried out a key part of the redeployment of their forces something that 1st agreed to do it talks in stockholm 6 months ago for the un this is an important step as this will allow us to start supporting the management of the ports the saudi led coalition is very skeptical claiming that who 3 fighters have handed over to the

coast guard but the that unit itself is under the effective control of the hoof these but in new york at the security council the u.n. special envoy martin griffiths was positive about recent developments mr president this moment is significant and it's worth cherishing such moments which are not as frequent as we would hope that this of course is only the beginning. these redeployments must be followed and i'm sure will be followed by concrete actions of the parties to deliver on their obligations under the stockholm agreement the security council also heard from top humanitarian officials from the un who warned that life for people in yemen was still very difficult with the specter of famine and cholera cases on the rise this year this meanwhile with growing tensions between iran and the us the search for a wider political peace settlement in yemen could be even more difficult the acting american ambassador fighting used his speech to attack the who fees and iran who

these must cease you avi attacks against their fellow citizens and their neighbors iran needs to stop supplying the who these with weapons to do so. attacks this week against saudi infrastructure are just the latest example of how destabilizing that is the u.n. are hoping that developments in her data will give diplomacy and yemen fresh momentum but the situation inside the country is extremely complex and the regional dynamics are becoming more difficult and dangerous james zira of the united nations the u.s. state department has ordered all non-essential government employees to leave iraq immediately the order follows a warning by the u.s. military of a threat from groups linked to iran but that assessment of heightened risk appeared to be contradicted by a senior british general stationed in iraq charles traffic reports from baghdad.

2014 iraq's senior shia religious leader ali al sistani issued a fatwa urging iraqis to take up arms against eisel this came up to the iraqi army fled to isolate french people move without a fight but led to the establishment of the shia groups noticed a popular mobilization forces backed by iran who were highly effective in iraq in syria fighting in coordination with u.s. led coalition forces but the u.s. is putting increasing pressure and sanctions on neighboring iran and some in washington say what they call iran's proxy militias in iraq are a potential threats to u.s. interests here including 5200 american soldiers but major general christopher geek the deputy commander of the anti eisel coalition has contradicted that. no there's been no increased threat from iranian backed forces in iraq and syria

where aware of their presence clearly. and we monitor along with a whole range of others. that's the environment we're in after that statement the u.s. central command issued a strong rebuke comments from the operation inherent resolve deputy commander run counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from the u.s. and allies regarding iranian backed forces in the region the statement said. earlier this month u.s. secretary of state mike pump aoe came to iraq on unscheduled visit because of what he said was intelligence on specific increased threats to u.s. interests in iraq the us has since sent 2 warships and b. $52.00 bombers to the gulf. the popular mobilization forces are under the command of prime minister adl of the little mahdi in his weekly press briefing he.