tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera June 3, 2019 1:00pm-2:01pm +03
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and that's what we're going to do we going to be patient in a place march going to forward their full protective patrol the right areas at the right time because disobedience and eventually eventually we can get an agreement with the transition units guys we don't want particular out of the country we want them to understand that we can all live here peacefully just listen to us and allow us to live the life that you can get right if the objectives of the various full he is at work right now is just to clear the square the main square to remove the barricades and to to free up this part of the city because they regularly complained that business comus and the general life of of katine is being disrupted by the protests is if their objective is just to clear the protests will you retreat and then regroup. the definite that's a different thing was different the regrouping different location this climate that we are accomplishing right now is the only pendle course there are so many
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different others that it would be called be accomplished but a matter of fact there's one really important thing that i would like to me to clarify here. the reason why the protesters gathered in front of the army. is because when a light being shot in the perimeter of the army base the army has the right to defend those who are in front of that who are the deviant but now we have been shot right in front of the aga docketed something the critics. pretty much something happened we don't know we're going to go to the politics with we are doing all kinds of parts of the budget and people are going to be in the point of the budget if you like and. so how significant would you agree then if the protest the 16 outside the army h.q. if that is cleared how significant would that be in terms of the protest movement.
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so. i can tell you one thing. the material is that you know when you're running around why you running what are you running away from being there they're coming from different states. they're coming from different side streets something like lisette street so it's kind of like of the. number who is approaching who are you who you actually reading about the side. where we're being attacked by the. court this the police but there's something that i witness in terms really interesting when the record really forces the police forces to disperse the protest from the night streets of the. area there are some soldiers of the record we're trying to stop the police they were they were pushing the police back and then they were attacked also by the police and then the
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police left they have their armor some parts of the purpose were able to acquire the armor of use it against. them to protect themselves. but number 2 you need to make sure that you will say that you are in a safe place now. this is because we know the areas in the right this is this is also one weapon we're using against them we know everything about the transitional military everything about their history about their tactics how they think they've been in the country for 30 years every single card they can they don't know anything about it they don't know anything about the youth and the new generation and i see protesters right now in pretty street they're burning with eyes and trying to break an american. so is it fair to would it be fair to assume then that many of the practices who are in the square have now despair said run away away from the gunfire away from the tear gas and they are preparing to regroup
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for later i would say 80 percent of the protesters left the area. that talk was very heavy very heavy. and he was going to tackle a person who is not it's not like their job to disperse to put this peacefully there were they were there to hurt the people they were there to scare the people the sudanese people according to the last 30 years of this regime as they have been treated very badly that been humiliated in schools and think big and everywhere they worked and they grew up working in police forces which. requirement no longer do you need more skill that is not working and it's a tiny bit of people they they use it against the public you know what i mean it's like. it's like a mental issues like a logical issue of the need to control this their own thing but the public now don't learn to love proper education to understand that it is ok to do you can oppress is ok to do any party that you're following as long as you respect your
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freedom and where the freedom of other people begin you know how we are out because . the lines of our freedom is i don't help them. they're broken our cars if they can our right and you see them out in the streets with the frenchies cars and living in present your culture not their mommy let's get let's come back to the here in the now and i think i interrupted you a little earlier after i don't see if indeed this is the actual protest a sit in is cleared how significant is that to the overall protest movement. it's going to escalate to put this to the next level which is going to be particular b.d.'s the entire country polities ministries companies shops barbershops it's going to get interesting. and that is going to put some pressure on the transitional military council i'm not really aware of what's going
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to happen but i'm telling you that we cannot deny point this is a point of motivation we knew that it was going to happen and now we're just waiting for you for the for the information that we follow from our leaders. right here on the me the again on the deal i can hear where you where you heading for what do you running away from specifically well they're still moving forward between. the police forces called the kitchen and the rapid police force the kids with weapons we're on we're just moving away from them because. i mean we want to get into the battle in a smart way if they're playing this card to play our cards. sometimes it's just on your back to be right in front of them. documenting things and reporting but this is the problem isn't it i mean how are you going to battle against these heavily armed forces when you don't have weapons yourselves. as i told you before there's
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5000 of them who are carrying weapons which are on our web our reporting weapons our education all our weapons are spreading awareness weapons a 5th of the disobedience all weapons are treating them in a good way our weapons that we have pretty quick to use against them the only weapon is to shoot a life what it is that a person cannot keep 40000000 people because they cannot balance this revolution this is one thing for sure. do you think that they're going to be immensely successful in clearing the square though the scene which has become the focal point if you like the revolution mean movement are they going to be able to clear it i think i think they've already cleared big parts of it and they did this move today specifically because they asked the former ukraine is going to be different if each .
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day after tomorrow is going to be a need and. they have cleared to try to clear the practice area today because after you going to be another full schedule a full week that different people from different cities in sudan have been recruited to the recipient and. the provision associations arranged for protesters to come from different cities this is done so this attack today because the numbers are low since the end of the modern. because they don't want to go through another phase of a peaceful fit and it's a very i was for i'm sorry but it's a very wrong move to do a presentation but you can't specifically today in front of the right things in your real thinking is that the minute she's moving against the process now before which of course is the festival that follows ramadan within a couple of days but basically what you're telling me also is that the numbers of protests as is growing by by the week. yes definitely
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growing by the day i can tell you that in erbil done put the less than usual because people are fasting. from like over $5.00 to 7 pm and the heat is really terrible the people decided to stay at their houses but now we have 2 more days to come back again if it's not in front of the sitting we're going to. different locations the people are going to gather in protest and we're going to look down to entire city and that's the promise you will hear to accomplish it. and so if they are able to clear the demonstration from the army h.q. in your opinion that will do nothing to dampen down this revolution and this and this desire for change that the people have been expressing ever since early april . they told you even the kids know 15 year old kids who didn't know how to read and write now they know that they have a right in a country that has been before they have obligations they know their rights i don't
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think that we have succeeded in to spread awareness in the public that we have rights and we need them and it's going to be that you're going to do their job but if you don't do your job if you don't get your position so the more the more the try to play to your again there to guard the stronger to protect there's going to be what is going to happen going forward and you're going to get and the more people are going we're going to get it mamadou abizaid i mean exceedingly grateful for you taking the time to talk a story what's going on in front of you incl team even as you will self try to get to safety thank you so much please be safe and thank you very much indeed for talking to us at al-jazeera. right now we can speak to another protester this is a now while also. who is on the line for us now now well can you hear me clearly.
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great thank you so much for talking to us what do you what's your observe ation as to what's going on over the last hour also. it is then it is not like. they have a at their home within the next quarter they hit them snipers trumped up with that i'm like i'm going to predict a thing you know they don't 9 try reading and there are a lot of. people who. are more into they took them to the yes i must be done 0 but does he think that they are people not going to i'm going right now there. are 5 o'clock area i'm going with my husband right now. this is not going to this is this is the end of it this revolution is saying not the end of the military council. the end of military council the end of the event that we may be shelf i had to do you. have to go and we are already we are all ready to go to
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to lead them to protect and to get rid of those. rights you know i hope you get a clean get people know well oh you telling me that you were going to head to the square outside me h.q. to where the situation is your heading in that direction when you hit head that there was my husband with the doctor going we have to go but there is you know it was it was culturally well you know there are soldiers with weapons we've heard of at least one person having died and many we understand have been injured but you'll still going to go. yeah we have going we are going. 9 b 9 to you that are so many they have them but then they want you to do got that again to come back. from one of a couple if people are going. a to do it this is
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a militia that we shall see the 2nd i'm on in the military guard turns and acting as he has been giving all the taking is that they're going to keep going to the. government that people inside the the media that he could squash it so you and your husband despite the danger you will go to the location of this 15 and confront these soldiers who have weapons. yeah we have to go in to learn a comparable country you know it's like he says and i think this is not an easy thing you see we have to go on how to find out how can we trust if that i can get people to or some people they need the protection or anything we have to go on the . c back is not on me the whole you know the one nation you know like look at them a scared but still. upset them so i want to be about at the top and now and this is like montes i was born in march in phnom killing is not allowed.
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so the people i must work to be there to help they have no law he thought the people that let me see it you know and they want to go with the will to go or to take you know or what they want to do you know i don't know right now don't know this is this is i mean this is a very significant moment to the pay is as though this is the move now being made by the security forces to clear the city and do you think they will succeed. it what does what the point a moment got a moment right now woman but. it wasn't happening now people are gathering they want to go back they want to go back so instead of dispersing the protests is in many ways this is motivating more people to come and join the protest. young life because that's me and and for how long do you think you and
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your husband will stay in this protest while this violence seems to be continuing or we don't think we're going to have long gotten you know you don't want to know what went on how can you love your country here and you know i mean it's just like if you get caught or are you know. if that if the the security forces were to clear the square what it really damage the revolutionary movement. of course not this is more fuel to the evolution that evolution is not on the p.p. and. 9 9 this is the fuel to the through the the british and you know. # we have now these people have been exposed completely over what is their intention and so it is not like now we know exactly what these people are so we know why don't we go i think this is like. 5
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a cape in the sun and because that's what you call god squad say this is like. even if you have to start from the beginning from square one we're going to touch one square one that's going to do it what's your understanding the wall as to where the negotiation has which stage the negotiations of go to this is about isn't it really the representation of the suffering council how far have those negotiations go. it didn't go so far actually because they have to stop a week ago nothing was being mean nothing came from i don't believe so while the door was open and. if differing stop because they were prepared to call this action . so they have to stop everything. no negotiation no i don't think that was a question anymore not people that want to call for the call obviously they can sit
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no one no one will speak again with them right now what are you aware that the security forces are going to mount this operation to try and clear the city and a did you know that this is going to happen today. yeah actually there were so many messages on the social media. sending people to be careful and that is going to be something is happening in a moment and there are so many much as you just said last night. so it was like people knew that this is going to happen but they didn't know what time and you know that's going to happen once that on the business wire some fasting month you see this is the end of the month you could actually go exhausted and that's not started and they think they're just sitting there. they didn't we didn't know what what we're going to hear and it's happening now.
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right now while i'm being told i mean we can actually see on a screen that if you can see where you are we can actually see fire as they're quite well established from fires now and some of the protesters tens of being but we understand by the security forces but from what you're saying this is not going to discourage people from gathering in this location outside the army headquarters the i just because i haven't been there yet like that so you need to have the sense of the the both this sense and not right now we just pop will pay those who are injured. but people asked once again and then. and i think they have now this is a i mean negotiation with these people is not going to take us anywhere. and this is this is the end of it. right ok well this city these professionals association
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says one of the the main elements of the opposition forces they've they've been tweeting and one of the tweets is wound the ruling council it is responsible for the protection of the protest says and it will be held accountable for any bloodshed and the sudanese doctors association the committee of sudanese doctors forgive me they have reported that at least one person has been killed and many have been injured the professionals association again said the escalation in violence is aimed at ending the revolution and so in the world if you're still with us clearly the actions of the security forces is not going to lead to the end of the revolution no of course
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not this is not the end of it you know i think that if. it were to if not then. 6 i think not only the kind of like our boys there but that it was an event in crisis people that evolution is not likely to require or in particular area there but that work on these. young is something that you're sure that there is that it will loosen that but there's little chance of it you know they're not going to end it by killing want and. that's it yeah i mean i mean it's like it's. * not good returns and not to talk to you if they think that you have to kill people does it look in the diary it's another family so how long do you think the people of sudan will be prepared to turn up on to the streets to continue this protest for how long can you keep it out. as long as you. a guys.
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as long as you think that because what your c option another. and then let me keep it only for more than 30 years no this is this is a go that want to continue 9 long. and who do you think is actually in charge is it. oh is it to have a t. who is actually running this negotiation now. that he's not negotiations but we're going the killing is more confident he will want * that on outside the country why we need team he has to do because he's down he's being getting some extended for companies from him and i. and you get these behind this mike because he's got his. hands how high do you can be by b.p.
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why why did why do you know the why do you why do you say that egypt is behind the action being taken by the military what made you say that it went to the same thing because our and what's happening now is exactly what's happening in da bad. 9 5 but if we look at. that we notice that people are a getting better now and that i turned. * from him and i you know they and is that everyone knows everyone knows these. countries so the support to the military they won't kill be exactly stability that i think that we can pretty they seem to be have got there was one who has not lost any kind of 36 thinking you know any kind of also education or any kind of you know he has gone there were points on the policy but how do you is it because i think that if you.
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so given all of the awful defenses on people given all of the opposition that seems to have arisen now to moms coming from the military do you really think that you can win do you think that the the movement for change in sudan could ultimately be victorious ultimately because what does that what is the option and what these other options going that's what that ship. that you don't know. it's with because i know that you picked them to free themselves. to be free from from the ship until your revolution is really dependent upon the number of people that you can persuade to come out onto the streets in the face of the violence now being carried out by the security forces exactly exactly this conference i was at present by the time is not is not like on our side i mean the
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timing of this is not you know i won't sign because it is the end all for ramadan and people and they have been planning this because they know that people are going back to the. 2 days else i saw storm friend the keys and this is going to happen like the model the people the model. if you like my down time people are wanting and the very close meeting the f.b.i. was in london i was 3rd is being planned carefully when they want to hear but if otherwise i could not have done it. right so when we're looking at live pictures. from khartoum forgive me they're not exactly live in these are very much the latest pictures we've been looking at these pictures now for a good a good hour and a half is not true our was and what we've seen. as having been lit now taken hold
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right so these are the pages on getting as i say coming from cartoons no one else mount a protest he was getting ready with her husband we have a live last no while but she was telling us just a little while ago that she was preparing to leave a house with a house band and that she goes to the school despite despite the fact the security forces have been using weapons firing live rounds and as you could
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hear from the sound this clearly quite a lot of chaos going on we do understand that at least one person has been killed that was reported by the committee of sudanese doctors several people have been injured we've been speaking to a couple of other protests as well. he's a civil rights activist and he's also a filmmaker and our conversation was interrupted as he was running away from the military let's listen. the reason why the perspective gathered from the army varies because when a life being shot in the perimeter of the army base the army has the right to defend those who are in front of the who are the 2000000000 but now we have been shot right you are going to argue that something. pretty much something happened we don't know we're going to talk to the quote. we are doing or connected or to the doctor and people question because it's not
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a good. look. so i. can tell you one thing. you know material you know you're running on to why you're running what are you running away from. here they're coming from people . they're coming from different side streets like they were trying to find. somebody who is approaching who are you actually running out of money. where we're being attacked by the rocket or. the police but there's something that i witnessed was really interesting when director reported the police force to disperse the porters from the night 3 police officers of the furthest area they're not part. of the record we're trying to stop the police or they were pushing the police back and then they were i got told by the police then the police
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left they have their armor some parts of the purpose were able to acquire the armor if you just against them not use them because the. number 2 you need to make sure that you'll say that you were in a safe place now. is the 6th of july we know the area this is an out right this is this is also one weapon we're using against them we know everything about the transmission literally everything about their history about their tactics how do you think it's been in the country for 30 years this used every single card because they don't know anything about it they don't know anything about the youth of the new generation and i think what this is right now in body street they're burning resources and trying to break into barricades right that was a conversation i was having with one of the protests is a little bit earlier now we can talk to as as shammy who's a human rights activist and she's joining us via skype from washington d.c.
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thank you very much indeed for talking to us what are your thoughts when you see and hear the saying that some folding in cartoon. it's unbelievable as they always exceed how how bad do you think of them and i never expected them to come at this time of the night and start firing and spitting tens of blades and hunting people there was no need for that and i really don't know it's an cold flu or the other silly questions we're talking that i have no idea what make them think this is ok and what's been unfolding in the past 2 hours to bury their heart like wrenching. the army's today or that at the same clip i meet the ranking pilot that will used to be with the protesters stood there and did nothing nothing and you tube i don't know if you've seen the movies and the like
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that use that be coming out a couple people were chanting you were singing the national anthem and they're completely and armed and you can hear them telling one another don't you know watch don't say anything don't instigate so they were not expecting that they were not expecting something to go to that level i have no idea i don't know how the military council is thinking it to me wants to reach a peaceful political solution to this situation and does what it does now this is the 3rd playing a role that it's escalating it's again it's violence against it and yet what will happen to the revolution if indeed this sittin outside the me h.q. in central ca same if it's clear that if they the people are a sent away in the barricades are removed what will that do to the revolution will that be the end of it you know there rouge and mom is not and the 2nd is in the heart of the people it's not a place it's not a location it's not
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a geographic location and this is what the team c.n.r. except there's not understand it's not a fight that the people who will route like 100 other situations it's not about that location that. ok she was symbolic because he was next to the military. headquarter because they fought felt that the n.l. attorney representing them and it's a national military but it does not mean they were little she will stop now a lot of people are like come into the streets they're doing marches they're going to come out of their neighborhoods it's not going to die it's not going to the just going to make it harder and they're going to make the price much higher for the people. who think that the sudanese people are going to be able to maintain this kind of momentum this presence on the streets is a pretty exhausting debilitating activity to keep up a protest for months on end it's already been going since early april do you think the people of sudan will be able to maintain this protest. yes because the always
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went beyond our expectations if you were to ask me early on in martyred to worry if people will state your ramadan i was told you know this is impossible to cannot do it but i've seen them do it and i think we are not dealing with the ordinary. people that we i think there is a huge amount of courage a huge amount of determination huge amount of sense of ownership which this server notion and i am i don't i can't just speculate anymore because every time i'm just in awe and humbled by their perseverance and insistence but i'm personally wish they can go back home because we have a sydney let government i was there can go home because we started to build but i'm afraid that this is not going to be the case in france not that he's all right but but if they. sit in the demonstration the physical manifestation of the movement
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is clear the way outside skewed it is only symbolic why are people so desperate to maintain it why did they allow the military just to clear away the barricades and continue with their revolution in another way. no because that's not whole point the point that they're going to be sitting there at recruiting until. the government has fallen and until a new government is in place it's a constant reminder it's a constant reminder and i think it was a test to the political will of the team see if they are right i have no idea why it's a father to them i have no idea what they have to beat this aggressive older doing that it's been within the parameters they ask who are they keep shrinking the space they keep asking and they had a committee with that with that they have to have everything they asked for so why the question most of them are not for the protectors to the protest and listen to.
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damn that they are stealing and they are they don't want to escalate the could escalate they have taken that. their revolution to different after new they just didn't generous strike one with no actual airplanes were flying they know how to take it elsewhere but to them that was a symbol for them to remind the military just played by 2 words that have promised the people that they will give them to power so it's the problem with that it's only going to complicate it more so in your estimation is the military really assessing this promise to. share power fairly evenly with civilians in this transitional arrangement the suffering council seems to be where the negotiations of fulton some what do you think the military is changing its mind. it's absolutely changing its mind and it's going back and its promises that it's given to that extent to the people from the beginning issue to
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be a power sharing the minister is part of the government that this is a lot think from the beginning this concept that they want to power share it this is a flawed rationale to begin with you should be part of the government you should be part of the state you shouldn't be and a separate independent power that you are vying for the power sharing with the other political parties so that the whole thing was wanted in the beginning through been buying time but the regional alliance of that they're getting the money that they're getting they're making them less and less interested into having a political solution and to be very honest and to national community is sitting there just the watching they need to work at the iron know what they're waiting for at i'm not there when it where that 1500 threw a chill for them to start to treat sanat as a crisis but from the beginning the manager should not be asking for power so there was a concession on the part of the people through the people had they delegated the exit
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speech and to see to do this negotiation but they're asking for more and that a lot and it's out. this should not be thinking of sharing power with the should be serving the government whatever government plays you should be serving it should not separate entity and separate and just. write ok as as me thank you very much indeed for joining us live from washington d.c. as we look at the scene that some folding in the sudanese capital now if you're just joining us these are the pictures that we're looking at we're looking at the situation in the last what are the health perhaps 2 hours the security forces in khartoum are breaking out that protest camp that protest camp that is outside army h.q. in the center of town we've heard gunfire quite a lot of it and troops of entered the area where the crowds had been gathering outside as i say military headquarters where this is
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a spray can of soldiers being heavily armed and of using live fire as well as tear gas these are these doctors association has reported at least one person having been killed and said that many others are critically injured now the main protest group the sit in sudan professionals association it says the ruling military council will be held accountable for any bloodshed and they're calling for people to march into the city center in support and overthrow the military council so that's the very latest. to come from khartoum we can talk to how many dell dude now who is a professor at university in the sudanese capital he's been one of the protesters and thank you very much indeed for talking to us can you tell me what is your assessment of the situation in khartoum right now. are.
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well. you have been told the city or we have seen a lot of heavy literally vehicles patrolling the whole you know our headquarters. started surrounding. the military headquarters yesterday and it has come to our mind. something with tech place that is why a lot of. protest has to stop flooding into the to the headwaters. this morning we had live bullets fired at the protesters and according to the doctors association one died many other injures and also another thing that the freedom forces and change tires has read is a secular now asking people to go to the headquarters to the military headquarters . now see i can see some people started putting barricades
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on on on on on so many areas and it seems the situation is gravity and i think this also there is a change in tone of the of the traditional military council members that comes particularly after the visits that made by. the arabiya nearly and this may have been taunting. one thing i can also see is higher order to set fire on some that started kissing in the the protests is. or role it is really a barbaric act and it seems to die it is heading towards civil wars and dicked future and it's just like a game like between conditioned reconnaissance and again it's really and so. this image of the content has shown it is just to us this is the lead. unexpected and
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awkward started to move and it seems there is. a lack of seriousness bites cleared by skirting this crisis from what jill saying it sounds. rather than dispersing and dumping down this protest the military action is actually motivating inspiring on the protest movement. well i. think this is the situation now is a greeting and it seems we are heading towards. predictable future. if you just like putting on fire now the departed to some started even the people who are positive might in their homes now start to going to the headquarters of the headquarters now and i think. nobody can tell but all
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indications are that things are look moving forward and the intervention of the of the intervention of the of other countries like to see the need even. arabia has changed the tone of the of the can see members are saying you know it's unacceptable. what you call it like you know intervention into a pond 7 pm and the vision. on policy to you but you believe this change in tone as you pull it from the military is directly linked to the visits to be made by the top military generals to syria arabia to united arab emirates to egypt. it is true because the have seen in so many conferences are they are not going to do to discount they're not going to remove
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the bargain so they're not going to do to build the headquarters for. the huts they have. violated what they have seat right and i would like to make a call if you don't mind to. i'm making this call through the right english to the international community and the security council and then maybe the united nations and european countries underscore it could destroy their responsibility towards peace loving protesters who have been raising the slogan of peaceful demonstration to the beginning of this upheaval so they have to say what is the responsibility and we call it a little let's call it a humanitarian responsibility toward the people of sudan well the sudan professional association has already using twitter has already suggested that the transitional military council will be held responsible will be held accountable for
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any bloodshed that is witnessed today. yes repercussion is responsible of bloodshed and its response to this kind of responsible of the killing of the people we have to shoulder and we have to shoulder and the house wanted to start before because professor what i'm being what i'm hearing from several people that i've been speaking to over the last couple of hours is instead of instead of a diminishing if you like of the revolutionary fervor there seems to be an even greater commitment by many of the people of sudan to continue with their peaceful action and their peaceful demonstration for a change despite the violence that they're witnessing now. well the behavior and attitude of the of the protests this has never
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change since the beginning of this revolution we have been calling for the have been saying that it is a peaceful revolution and we kept it we are still human tend to peaceful peaceful thems friendship but the problem is. that the transition lissa consul that we want to protest has to be in there and it seems according to their on again that i've been signed with the countries that have mentioned. they can't think and i think now the game will be also changed and we have to change our tactics with the military that we have started as a peaceful demonstration and then we had 2 days to strike and now we are moving to the 3rd phase which is probably disobedience is to call him a stay at home act and in the coming in the coming days will start thinking as to
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how tom. tom what's called. a stay at home act and not a few days do you believe do you still have confidence professor that the people will prevail that you will see an end to the military transitional council that you will see an end to theran tarion rule. this is what we are walking towards we have to have to find a way of ending this tactic military acts. and we don't want and me live free government and there are certain area where little should be protected people if there is any war against an out of the country this is the airliner the military has should join the should should but we are thinking of the really led transitional
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government this is the only government the people of sudan more than 95 percent of the people of sudan now a looking for these $540.00 after the end do you feel that there is any room for compromise do you feel that perhaps the negotiations could be revived with some form of compromise between the demands of the military and those of the people whoa this what the 2 parties the 2 cars are saying you know the. president at a concert they really keep wanting the 10 than the 10 the negotiation on the other hand the freedom forces and cheering also have said that they are ready to show their. wheels for containing the opposition but it seems from the from the
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president little console there is there is a clear violation to what they have seat right professor how many the dude talking to us live from the sudanese capital khartoum thank you very much indeed. roger watching al-jazeera we are covering the ongoing events in the sudanese capital where it appears as though the military have now taken decisive steps to try to clear the demonstrations sit in outside the army h.q. you're looking at pictures that have been coming in throughout the morning there you can see fires that have been burning they've taken hold. barricades had been pulled down apparently by the military but we also have seen pictures of new barricades being constructed by protesters as they move to different parts of town
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there is a call for more protesters to descend upon the center of town and from what we understand people are heeding that call there are reports of injuries and at least one death in khartoum where protesters say the troops have been sent in to break up their city in outside military headquarters in the c. love of the. crowds have been camped in khartoum for weeks but on thursday the ruling military council warned that the camp had become a danger to the country and that action would be taken against what it called unruly elements but the protests in say they've been peaceful and they've done nothing to provoke the troops witnesses speak of the soldiers being heavily armed and of using live fire and tear gas other sadam professionals association there the
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group that have pretty much led this revolution in sudan they've released a statement they're calling for civil disobedience in the statement it says it's imperative to go out to the streets to protect the revolution and the remaining dignity weapons are peace and courage we call on the revolution risen or neighborhoods. villages towns and cities of sudan to go out to the streets and start marching closing all streets and bridges and poles we call for a comprehensive civil disobedience to bring down the deadly military giunta and complete revolution well i've been speaking to mamadou abizaid he's one of the civil rights activists he's been out on the streets as the military tried was trying to clear the demonstration and our conversation was interrupted as he was running away from the military. the reason why the protective gathered in front of
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the army base is because when a life well it's been shot in the perimeter of the army date the army has the right to defend those who are in front of the who are the 2000000000 but now we have been shot right in front of the are going to argue that nothing will hit it and they are pretty much something happened we don't know we're going to talk to the quote. we are doing or practice or to the doctor and people question because it's not a good. so . i can tell you one thing. to do here is that you know when you're running on to why you're running what are you running away from being there they're coming from different. they're coming from different side streets something like lisette street so we kind of like of the. number who is approaching who are you who you actually running. where we're being attacked by the rocket party or to the
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police but there's something that i witnessed in terms really interesting when the record reported what were the police forces did to disperse the porters from the night of 3 police officers of the furthest area don't park some sort of the record we were trying to stop the police they were they were pushing the police back and then they were i got told by the police and then the police left they have their armor some parts of the put this were able to acquire the armored if you just against them. in the present themselves. but number 2 you need to make sure that you will say that you are in a safe place now. is the 6th of july we know the area this is an out right this is this is also one weapon we're using against them we know everything about the transmission a little treat everything about their history about their tactics how they think. on the country for 30 years this use every single card they can't they don't know
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anything about it they don't know anything about the youth and the new generation and i think what this is right now in pretty street they're burning resources and trying to break into barricades. that's right let's review the situation in sudan and it started with mass protests that began in december living costs force the military to pose president omar al bashir that was on april the 12th he'd been in power for almost 30 years a transitional council was set up but protest leaders weren't satisfied or the macit in outside army headquarters continued they held talks with the council and they eventually reach some agreements at least 6 people were killed in the middle of may that was when violence broke out close to the protest side demonstrators accuse the army of resorting to tactics used under brushes rule last week the
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council said the can become a national security threat it also abruptly ordered the closure of the al-jazeera network in the cartoon without giving a reason and the very latest is we've heard now from the doctors association in sudan that there have been 2 deaths now a many people have been injured many of those have been quite seriously injured some are being described as critically injured right as me is a human rights activist and she's joining us from washington d.c. thank you again for joining us so that death toll has risen the violence now seems to be pretty sustained you must be very worried for the face of your fellow sit in nice. words. it's quite disturbing to see that. and it was very sudden you're in and aware learned about it i was watching and i think there and then all of
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a sudden they were singing they were chanting and then they start running and that was like gary said i didn't see that i literally felt like i was danger and this is i don't i still cannot understand what is the rationale behind this but again if we look at it i think it's an imam at the mosque it is just falling i think the military is not any different from the government before and i think it's it's it's not what it said it is it's not that it wants to change he wants the power courts out so there is some relief in that that it's very high costo that we know who are we up against it's good that we're just to be manifesting now before people think that everything has changed and then they will turn around and status and the fact i think there's going to this is a new era this whatever happens after this is going to be a new era it might be longer it might take much longer but i don't think the sudanese people are backing down right right now but there's been
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a distinct change of tone then coming from the military as we can see but also now from they said and they are professionals association they are calling for a change in tactic on the part of the revolution they're calling for a mass a mass civil disobedience is what they're calling it a mass movement of civil disobedience shutting the country down effectively. and that's going to happen and to be honest this treaty was much mature politically than the negotiators and even that was to give them the benefit account they wanted to go ahead with these negotiations and they wanted to try to come to a peaceful they want to believe them the streets sense that differently the streets were calling for a disobedience since the men ultraman done since the killing the started the 1st week they waved the situation and they felt that this military council is not sincere. is not sincere and they should not be sitting with them again at the
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negotiation table so this is a way the long awaited tork estat that they're calling for disobedience because this whole set up needs to be reconstructed all over again and it will be a really very bloody confrontation because obviously the military the military did not and will now but they are accomplish that by not doing anything while i was there doing it but i know that they will start the 2 hours of an army both of them they will join hands together and maybe die and tell just as well and that because now we're hearing about people being arrested so that the. needs of the national intelligence. national intelligence is wearing its taste and now we go in back again political detainees and i retreat attention so we're going back to bashir we're going back. to describe the situation in sudan as as being one step
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closer to civil war. i am not sure because the civil war because the people are like an armed so if it's a simple example where it's going to be among the military council are a sense among themselves and i don't i i i absolutely don't think the people and on the street are going to take up arms that's not the dynamics that's not where is this happening wrong in. even if it were someone to put them they would not reach this is completely different and it's not going to be a civil war it's going to be a massacre maybe it's going to be a wipe out from the government against civilians but it's there is it's not going to be. countered by by pliant action on the part of the of the purchaser so can you if i'm not coming full say then that many more sudanese may lose their lives if if as you predict this bloody confrontation. does indeed arise yes
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and it's been happening it's been happening there's not one week that passes without one person dying for no fault i did them just protesting peacefully and they were doing that while sitting at the at the negotiation now they're signaling that they do not want to that political ticker procedure to proceed obviously and that's going to be halted. for that and i know that the freedom for 2 or 3 dimension is going to also says friend negotiation so now they can just unleash they're just going to unleash it and it's going to be really bloody because if they can't there are so many tactics for nonviolent resistance that there does not cannot give the the the clearest and the person to really direct contact but they will find it because now they just shooting just rang going to. and so what what hope therefore do you think there is for restarting that that negotiation process that the process of dialogue that hasn't been active at least for
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a week or so now. well out into the room is like why is our receptors acting more when it's full i think there is a power dynamics within our staff and the army for them to sort that out and to see who is the person or who is the entity that it's going to take this process forward . are now is it's literally it's like it's parachuting into this process to them see that it is that went to space where they can extract wool and it can teach optional child soldiers to them it's a it's a business. allow our ascent to take its hostage not wait i think the next confrontation it's going to be between ourselves and the army. but i this is where as a thank you very much indeed talking to us live from washington d.c. thank you so much.
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