they say don't worry we will take care of you and indeed they won't and if i could just ask you on draft just how important is democracy to the average person in china ok sure look i had the good fortune to live and work in mainland china for 7 years and i've had a lot of conversation with reform minded congress socially engaged academics and civil society practitioners i'm quite familiar with their thinking i would say among the politically conscious elites in the country there is a clamoring for more freedom it doesn't necessarily express itself in you know capital d. democracy but everyone is kind of discharge shouting slogans but clearly they want a more group around polity they want and very traditionally they want a free a media they want freedom of speech and this is overwhelming look last year at the european conference i just met her high ranking official and 2 or 3 minutes

into my conversation with this person a consummate and that in chinese he was bitterly complaining about xi jinping about the chinese coast party and this you know north korea in turn under siege in and so we should not assume that everyone's happy with even within the party let alone outside the party and certainly nuri. the kind of comments that this individual speaking to. us from. a weaker made those comments is very likely they would end up in prison and their family members would be as well you mentioned you mentioned earlier how this is an issue which is of critical importance but certainly the international community have been somewhat silent on this why do you think there has not been more vocal opposition to. the treatment of the weaker people in western china there are

positive several possible reasons one of which i think is the most important one is that the. china's government has been very effective in its influence campaign through corruption corrupt corrosive methods. in the last $2.00 and $3.00 decades so countries that have economic relationship with china still tiptoeing around the issue of human rights and democracy and the rule of law in china. even some of them have been able to come out and made a mild statements most countries particularly in the european countries have not spoken out in the face of this atrocities taking place on our watch we were told never again but never again is happening again in china today those $2000000.00 plus people have been going through horrific time inside of those camps but we

let's forget let's focus on the individuals who are out who are outside of the camps have been monitored every moment that they make their social connections family connections the chinese government have been really comfortably making the official statements such as breaking their roots lineage in origin and no one is raising a finger so this is this is untenable the the zit on the mantle though isn't understandable because are there any countries instead actually who are strong and off economically or politically to stand up to china the united states government has taken a leadership in this effort as we speak there are 2 pending legislations being considered in the in the u.s. congress and administration is considering sanctions against human rights abuses in china there's also call for international olympic committee the pressure that they

will shut that china shut down these cabs if the chinese government still wants to host the 2022 winter olympics there are several leverage is available for the western countries. sanctioning technology companies because the chinese government have not really felt any any pain and you cause for engaging in a modern day ethnic cleansing so you know the world need to take individual or collective action to rectify a situation you know this is not going to end well either way we're setting up a time bomb if the chinese government succeeds what we're looking at is a group of prague ethnic minority in china will disappear under this reprogramming effort if the chinese government fails they may need to commit some crimes because they're not going to release those millions of people to the street so the world needs to take an action collectively or individually call on the western

democracies to use their influence and leverage yes we do have a leverage in our relationship but china need to be used ok katia when you see a more i beg your pardon where you hear the reality in the scene john and you've described some of the efforts there have been to clamp down on them ocracy efforts in hong kong are you fearful that. some weights and the routes hong kong could be in line for a similar treatment. where absolutely fearful in hong kong i mean i personally made that statement about 5 years ago but that will come on become the 2nd gang of for that matter the 2nd to that because after our umbrella movement which we worked very hard to fight for to democracy in hong kong we didn't play succeed and beijing cheating thing obviously is quite set up with home home thinking well

i'm grateful that we behaved like a teenager and we don't know how to break to the mother on faith and. so on and so forth and so what the chinese thinking at the moment practicing it is very good at conducting cage politics what we call new politics if you have it's not mixed ability you have all the luxuries in life or the chinese tycoons you can get around the world then you should stop thinking about political liberalization never mind that because as long as you're living in a cage of being fat if you come under comfortable groove then you should be happy with life of the week that comes back to that loving patriotism is that the last refuge of the scoundrel they use patriotism to the kind of problem of chinese

nationalism to be proud of china because as the world's number one economic powerhouse of the moment and if people large and out ideology they're all just doing china bashing never mind them and that's what china is about and they tried to turn home home into that as well ok we're fast running out of time i want to put one final question to all of your peers brief as you can if you words are a lot of the coverage today focusing on what chinese people themselves think of tiananmen and many are questioning why is this relevant we have social stability social stability trumps everything else why should people care about what happens in tiananmen square 30 years ago be as brief as you can if you would if i could start with andreas for sure i mean everyone would agree that in a way social stability is desirable but very often it is actually mistaken with you

know the silence of the graveyard. it is rather silent but it's also there is no life and we have to acknowledge that china is home to 1300000000 people they have every right to live in dignity and free from fear so actually the struggle of the chinese citizens and the chinese people is also our struggle ok thank you narrator cow why should we care about what happened 30 years ago we have to care about. the 1st of the most important thing is china's government has displayed a sense of insecurity and they have been they were on the set on its citizens in the name of combating extremism which having social stability that is a bogus claim at best it's this it shows chinese government's sense of insecurity and to weaker people's lives and their homeland have been the used as

a laboratory for surveillance state if you're not careful this will be affecting the lives of the people around the world as we speak as reported in the new york times there about 18 countries already adopted chinese surveillance technology to monitor and repress their own citizens this is coming to us we have to wake up this is this is not about an issue a domestic issue constraint in china this is going to back affect the lives of the people of hong kong taiwan tibet and all around the world ok a korean war the final 10 seconds to you. went 2019 that's the you know fulfillment of the let's all try to place a film technique to thank you ok thank you very much indeed and with facts we have run out of time but like thank all my guests claudia moe mary took al and andrea is a fool and thank you to you for watching you can see the program anytime again by

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and we shall carry this is out there live from doha also coming up it is really serious and we take it very very seriously concerns for media freedom in australia as police raid the national t.v. network which q. soldiers of war crimes. 2 years and no end in sight is affecting the lives of its people. we report on the crisis facing south africa's public hospitals where patients are dying of neglect. the head of sudan's military has hinted at a change in attitude over negotiations after a deadly military crackdown on protesters adel fatah baran is now saying the military is open to talks on the cunt. future without conditions is comments in a televised message came a day after he said all talks of the protest coalition are off and he wanted

elections within 9 months on the streets the violence goes on and doctors say at least 60 people have been killed since monday more than 300 injured many critically ill brian reports. they're being called barricades of anger at the latest effort by protestors to pressure the ruling military council to hand over power to civilians. these prayers not only mocking the muslim aid holiday but also remembering those who cannot join them the victims of what protesters say was a brutal massacre witnesses described finding bodies burnt in tents after an attack by security forces on the camp in khartoum their protest as saw as a shrine to their revolution they say some of the dead were taken by armed forces and others dumped in the river this video which can't be verified shows crowds gathering as bodies are pulled from the water. the military's being accused of

trying to stop the violence being documented and shared by confiscating mobile phones. next week will begin our civil disobedience the military council has cut off the internet they cut off the telecommunication networks to cover their crimes we promise we'll unveil the military's crimes committed on the streets from killing to rape to humiliate to fear we will continue this revolution the crackdown appears to be continuing activists report raids by a paramilitary group on hospitals looking for injured protesters and the medical workers treating them. and one of the rapid support forces came in and attacked me and he hit me here and over here as well may god punish them as the doctors union says the savage beating suffered by patients and their colleagues a part of a wider campaign of violence yesterday we have not looked as a bit rate. since the women have been raped in one of the nearby.

neighborhoods to the headquarters of the military council this it which and cannot carry on. the military job has apologized for the violence and says it will investigate its called for elections within 9 months something the opposition has rejected when we consider it a statement of a coup and a counter attack on the people's revolution and we were a few to do all from its beginning to the end we refused to call for an early election and we consider the statement of the military council conforms with the counter-revolution and it's linked to the interests of the old regime just weeks ago protesters gathered full of hope that talks with the military council were on the verge of a breakthrough. now their current peace turns to anger and protesters say they won't back down alexei o'brian al-jazeera un security council is not on the deteriorating situation in sudan and failed to reach

a joint position china russia blocked any action against the military rulers but a.t.u. states expressed concern that the magic editor james bays has more. the security council was briefed behind closed doors on the latest developments in khartoum by the secretary general special adviser almost situation in sudan nicholas hastened i'm very concerned about the situation in khartoum and i think that represents a position of the international community i don't want to engage to mention a discussion as to who should do what because we're still hoping to play a role in bringing the parties together we haven't given up hope that a solution is still possible you can just. as soon as i can mr hasten told reporters he'd like to see a common international position on the situation in the sudan but the security council couldn't come up with that they couldn't come up with a statement on the killing of protesters by the military i'm told that china

adamantly refused the draft statement saying it was an internal matter they were backed in that by russia and kuwait said the draft needed amendments so instead the ambassadors from the european countries gave their own statement we call for an immediate secession of violence accountability for crimes committed and underlined the responsibility of the transitional military council in ensuring the safety of the sudanese do you need announcement to see snickers he sends a point that government and calling for elections to short period of time is of great concern those are the words i think european ambassadors would have liked to have seen in a common security council statement but now sudan has become the latest country

where the security council is divided. place in australia have searched the opposite the national broadcaster a.b.c. relates to a 2000. 17 investigation on alleged war crimes australian forces in afghanistan officers arrived with warrants accusing the network of publishing classified material they demanded thousands of documents including emails and notes and a day earlier they searched the home of a news corp journalist i think every media organization in the lead and sometimes has difficult moments with government agencies and with already but to to have a warrant executed on the headquarters of the national public broadcaster in this way constitute enough.