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tv   David Kaye  Al Jazeera  June 10, 2019 5:32pm-6:01pm +03

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jack and noah. it looks like the picture is taken in a club or something. the whole team said let's look at text messaging let's look at social networks let's look at building stuff. when we took texas up and looked at it we said well ok this is interesting but it doesn't have the social model busy that blogging. and so the transition from twitter to text is that that reading relationship in the p.r.i. and the openness of the web. over the summer and it went on i actually personally after we launched twitter which. i didn't realize what i myself was doing by part of the team that i helped create and hire and partially that the way the technology worked
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and part of its roots in text bob and other projects i didn't realize the values that went into it you don't have to be conscious of the values that you're putting in things when you do it. this is one of those sort of the biggest commercially focused open source conferences nonsense there's i.b.m. and there's a paper and microsoft. they don't necessarily agree conducted by politics but there's none of this like you should be shunned because you want to overthrow capitalism. are you. near. the. good.
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that the couple years i worked on twitter and then seeing it grow totally changed my life. i've done a lot of interesting projects and i've traveled around the world and built lots of software. it's a foggy field of bucks if you get the box exactly ok. and then one day i was talking to subpoena bill about how to build software for oil rigs. and i realized that is interesting is the problem was. i had. lost track. of the desire and the need to focus more directly on changing the world. and so i wrapped up
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my projects and everything else i said that i needed to refocus and apply the lean startup techniques apply big data play start up technology open source all of the things back to the activist world nuts that's where i am now. heading up to seattle 2 we're going to drop in on a new project called the. and. an organization and software project that's been working for a number of years to create secure communication it was a very big problem with the way our e-mail and mailing lists the way your communications work. people think that they're sending a private letter and it turns out that what they're sending are postcards. believe team reach out to me because i'm one of the people that has bridged the gap
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between the activist world and the startup world. there are not a lot of anarchists angel investors and so they wanted to find someone who could advise them on on raising money on being a viable start up all the same time knowing that they don't want to abandon the larger busy political vision of why they're doing. it. and it's it's really unique important to have the capacity to
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organize without all of your information being completely exposed and i think it's an x. . essential question for social change and no i don't think that it will be possible in the future without the capacity to communicate securely whether it's behavior tracking whether it's business intelligence or what are other forms of analytics it is the data that matter not. on what most people in the tech read the radical took from it. i've worked with in that sort of world i really go the whole works the people who are dollar big. they're going to stumble into more efficient solutions than the people who use intuition i guess taking a step back i would say all aspects of governance are increasingly becoming
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systems of code and analysis and data and certainly the lesson out of the dot bomb of 2000. when the nasdaq internet stocks a version of their value in a week was that the companies left standing were the ones with the biggest databases and so that trance that lesson and that transformation has led to this current rise of surveillance as a business but surveillance is really a subset of this process of. social control through data and. to go and work for silicon valley is not selling out in the sense of like oh that band used to be cool and they sold out and made money it's not it's not like selling out it's like switching sides. using our labor it's very important to be building something that is not potentially part of
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a dark distance. and you go and work for silicon valley the current game is building technology that could be used for talent area and social control. but if you don't collect data if you don't want experience get the stats of it then. you just do not it's good. to achieve the larger political aims it needs to be something that exists and to get widespread adoption and that's a that's a company in this room. you know i spent 5 years traveling around setting up protests and building community centers and technology for activist groups with the goal of changing the media and the project which i told my friends i was selling out work at the start up a larger effect of transforming the media. twitter
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. facebook or twitter it's a very good way for communication has no power control for maybe one it looks like the media like the t.v. i want to get some t.v. or whatever they are controlling everything now we did if you're going to i just make a capsule individual picture i just upload it very little actual protests are coordinated on twitter. but the public street and the personal feeling about them is completely different. i. let people share ideas and me and share photos and share videos and shape the media and shape their own narratives.
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only activists only people who wanted to achieve social change use a technology that it's very easy to get rid of so in the case of text mob it was easy to eventually block and shut it down because people only used it at protests but when people used twitter of protests twitter got used for lots of other things . to transform the world in the way we make social change we need the tools of social change be used enables everyday lives for things that have nothing to do with social change.
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with the chaos computer club camp camp and every 4 years it's where the european hacker community gets together and hangs out play. and connects with each other in a face to face real world. and this is the community that created the leaks this is a community they created tor is a you know a community that says that privacy is important and this is the the the communities that built the internet. it's a campaign with power cables and computers long as it doesn't rain it's great but what it means it's that everybody rushed to hit the circuit breakers and turned off the power is all that and. what i want to know. what do you think we should do but just be
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brutally honest about how we should get. encrypted e-mail into the hands of let's say a 1000000 let's say a 1000000000 people and i like what should we do like next next month be next year needs to. launch products under different names with different designs with different sales pitches and everything else to see what people will sign up for you would basically say let's build 2 web pages of the one who let's begin with like i think when you think it was at 11 web pages here's a v.p.n. is great and we see him go sign up for that name another pages of e-mails great and we see how many people signed up for that everything will thing you think you can do in the lead cloud for and make you launch ok before. you build it. the start up world has figured out how to do stuff and do things that make their software
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work better and we think that selling out. if you don't do the experiments at all you'll never build something that gets used but i think like the problem is. with the people here is because they know that the kind of realize that the start up stuff might work a magician techniques there but when they see start up people and they see that the people who work in start are directed primarily by money or by fame i mean everyone here is camera shy no one here wants to be famous people want to be anonymous and thus like i kind of think that that actually is causing like this weird. paradox of the like we know and already we need in order to be successful as revolutionaries we need everyone to use the stuff i think that's like the disconnect is almost ethical does this connect but it's not necessarily disconnect
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of the techniques themselves. i want to talk a little bit about why people are using start ups or corporations communications of where and why they're not using us and in particular i want to encourage us to steal ideas and techniques from from the capitalists in the start of the community . it's a race that we face it's a race between different applications to get security in occasions we need to win the race and right now. we're not going to win that race. right now we have all these different projects very bravely in valley fighting out there and we're not learning quickly. so we need we need to build things that people use we need to build things that people want to build things that people look. to. as software
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developers as people who work in startups as people who care about the future of the world we have to look at where technology is being built how it's being built what values go into it because those are the values that will then shape future site. vehicles harvesting every pick you take every click. click to get everything all the way so. it's time to watch the one. that on the deep sleep is the 1st civilian. and creates a. critical and to near. 0. it's my privilege to name al jazeera english the broadcaster of the year the
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country has a fight each other but we've been told that we can still hear this is the largest demonstration that's been held by director g.'s since over 700000 live here are some of the nicest most of the fun here or the think of a complete bust that hit. al-jazeera english crowds recipients of the new crystals called cost of the year award for the sake of. capturing a moment in time for snapshots of other lives. other stories. provided attempts into someone else's work. inspiring documentaries from impassioned filmmakers and the front lines i feel like i know it i have the data to prove. witness on al-jazeera in 2008 traveled across the united states
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discovering what it was like to be both a patriotic american and a devout muslim can you be muslim and american you have to be american 1st i didn't have much appreciation for why it would be a big deal that a muslim to be elected to the united states congress. rewind islam and america on al-jazeera. hong kong is leaving says apply the traditional will not be changed despite massive protests and a call for even more. color
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. this is out there life and also coming up staying away deserted streets in sudan's capital where people but to call to strike and disobey the military. the exit polls point to a landslide win for the chosen successor of ca's expands longtime president after elections a triggered public congress. everybody coming together around one game and one by one flag actually kind of his n.b.a. team on the brink of its 1st championship we'll look at how the raptors rise is already a win for diversity. and hong kong's leaders are pressing ahead with a proposed new law or those who led huge weekend protests are urging people to get back out onto the streets the organizers estimate more than a 1000000 on sunday denouncing the legislation which would allow people to be extradited from hong kong to mainland china it was largely peaceful but several 100
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protesters did fight with police in the early hours of monday morning we were told we received feedback that these additional mashes effective in addressing the concerns of the stakeholders and we will continue to do something so there is no question of us mourning views expressed in society but hong kong has to move on they are asked to be absolutely efficiencies and gaps and you know existing system to deal with cross border crimes and transnational crimes. there is sort of a very difficult area to understand why hong kong cannot have any mutual legal assistance on criminal matters with our closest neighbors that is a mainland china taiwan and a cup but i reporter sarah clarke is in hong kong and she has the latest. well these were the largest rallies in hong kong since the british handed over back to china in 997 more than 1000000 people on the streets position against the proposed
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extradition laws which is set to be introduced in hong kong now despite yesterday's mass rally the chief executive he carried she said she'll forge ahead with this bill she will not scrap the plans despite a many efforts so many calls for it to be show. she said will be protected and the city respects the rule of law according to kerry she says additional safeguards have been added in might that will have a legally binding effect on the government but the prime democrats who study the pro-democracy groups in the student unions and various people protesting last night simply are not convinced the bill will have a 2nd reading on wednesday it's not expected to have a bunch until the at the end of the month but it has been fast track to avoided a lot of scrutiny that's normally undertaken by the committee hearings. before parliament a june over the summer some practices a still camped out it lets the legislative council only a small number but we do expect more practices to return on wednesday when the vote
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has when the bill has a 2nd rating well let's get the view from beijing with china course brown a. leadership what are they saying in joining. well not surprisingly the leadership here in beijing nick has offered overwhelming support to carry land they got the full endorsement of the foreign ministry at their regular briefing here on monday the spokesman also disputed the figures as to the number of people that took part in sunday's rally in march he said he preferred to believe the figure of the hong kong government namely that only 240000 people took part in that protest he also suggested that some 800000 people had voted elektra in a cli in support of this bill this extradition bill now the overall theme of his response today and he answered 6 questions on hong kong by the way was this the
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carrier will continue to receive the support of the hong kong government and that china wants this extradition bill to pass to become law this is what he had to say . firstly the central government will continue to firmly support the government of pan kong special administration region to push forward the amendment of the extradition bill secondly china's strongly opposed to any external interventions in hong kong its legislative affairs. well i picked up the foreign ministry spokesman on those words external intervention asking him what to do you mean by that because in the past china has always spoken about foreign forces interfering in hong kong's internal affairs and he he sidestepped that question he he wouldn't answer it but state controlled media has been a bit more forthright the china daily newspaper which sort of reflects government thinking here has basically used those words foreign forces and said that the
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people of hong kong are being hoodwinked the foreign ministry spokesman also added that you know hong kong's freedoms will continue to be protected as long as the one country 2 systems deal last and that deal of course will run for 28 more years or agent thanks very much indeed let's take this all we can speak to emily lau who is a former democratic party member of the legislative council she's a campaigner for human rights and freedom of expression joins us live now from hong kong. china wants this to become law there's a great deal of anger on the streets where do you see this heading. well it is really terrible and i don't want to see this huge coalition but i think there is no doubt this city is split asunder there are those who are on the side of beijing willingly or unwillingly but there are many who are terrified of you know
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the chinese legal system coming into hong kong and as you can see more than a 1000000 people march yesterday very peacefully those who are very rich and very poor very old and very young and they were all united by air fear of the chinese communist party and the chinese legal system coming into hong kong it will be like a truck driving through picking up making a big hole in one country 2 systems then we will be crashed labor. to have one country one system and to hong kong's freedom the rule of law would just appear well hong kong officials of course have said that the hong kong calls will have the final say over whether to grown extradition requests and suspects accused of political or religious crimes will not be extradited they have they say they have sought and found concessions what he's about. well the legal profession have
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come out and spoken loudly and clearly that the courts have very limited power and even that judges have given anonymous interviews to reuters and some have even signed petitions to oppose the bill which is something a judgment should not do so i think it's deep concern even within the judicial fraternity and it's nonsense to carry lamb and officials to say the court can provide us with some kind of protection given the passion that your expressing which reflects the passion of many tens of thousands on the streets how do you think this is going to be resolved. i don't know but i certainly hope. it will be resolved in a peaceful way hong kong is one of the most peaceful and safest cities in the well although we don't have to democracy we are more peaceful and safe than
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countries which have periodic elections that's an irony but now i think that's going to disappear hong kong people they want to have their freedoms they want to have personal safety and the rule of law and independent judiciary and kerry lab and her administration is going to destroy all that that's why i got people are very angry and many of course want to flee from hong kong but britain the former colonial power is doing precious little to help the british citizens here then there are millions of them. what's your view and we heard about our course one of your brown talking about the suggestion that foreign intervention is behind these protests is coming from the chinese government what's your sense about the foreign audiences involved in making this happen. well of course many foreign governments have spoken out they have met with kerry lamb and officials and
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many remain unconvinced many foreign chambers of commerce have also spoken out about yesterday's march we have 10 or 15 or 20 coverage from international news media radio television magazines newspapers you name it they have it so why not human rights try and said national boundaries anybody anywhere have a right to speak out when they see human rights problems existing so i don't i don't care i mean ok they can come on the rest of us but we have to continue to speak out and i want britain i want britain and danton national community to keep an eye on hong kong we are a lovely by bridge free city and nobody wants to see a scratched by evil forces so i hope the international community will continue to
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keep an eye on hong kong. for your perspective appreciate it very much and we've also with democratic party member of the hong kong it's council thank you. thank you. to sudan where the military gender has defended its crackdown on protesters saying it's a job to ensure the safety of the country and these 4 more people were killed on sunday in culture and in neighboring on doma one of the shell has more than a day of civil disobedience. sunday marks the beginning of the we can sit down but rather than work commutes and traffic jams the streets of khartoum are empty these videos appear to show that the public has heated the calls by pro-democracy groups for civil disobedience and a general strike. and. the people cannot be governed by force and i'm not saying this neither as a member of the opposition nor someone who supports the government but the people do not want this government and as you can see the streets are empty shops are
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closed i personally want to civilian government and. the sudanese people also had a big role to play in order for the civil disobedience to be executed in the correct way and on its 1st day i think that it has been 300 percent successful. the movement for freedom and change together with the sudanese professionals union had announced sunday's action in response to the military gintas seizing of power and the continued crackdown on protesters. it's still not known how many people were killed by the security forces during last week's massacre when the main pro-democracy sit in was forcibly dispersed but a sudanese doctor's group puts the toll in the past week at 117. and we will protect the wealthier of the citizens especially when the citizens refused to acknowledge the call to civil disobedience and were determined to go to work this despite the difficulties and the barricades.

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