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hours g.m.t. if you're just joining us on al-jazeera we're continuing our breaking news coverage of the death of former egyptian president mohamed morsi. i am fully back to live in doha former egyptian president mohammed morsi has died during a court session in cairo according to egyptian state television the public prosecutor says he collapsed in a defendant's cage in the court room shortly after speaking and was pronounced dead in hospital the statement from the public prosecutor also said that an autopsy showed no signs of recent danger on wanted morse's body morsi was the 1st democratically elected president of egypt and was the poles in a military cohen 2013 the coup was led by the current president of egypt abdel fattah who was then the military chief or he was in jail for more than 5 years on what critics have described as politically motivated charges we begin our coverage
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with this report from laura baron manny. mohamed morsi sailed into the presidency of egypt with the winds of the people's revolution demanding change. in 2012 he became egypt's 1st democratically elected president and the 1st civilian to hold office morsi was born in 1951 he spent his adult life 1st as an engineering professor then there's a member of parliament and a political prisoner. the to the egyptian revolution in 2011 set the stage for morsi to reach the pinnacle of power. a year after egyptians overthrew longtime dictator hosni mubarak morsi to the oath of office to replace him. from the start secular egyptians were suspicious that morsi is really the agents who continue to be with the muslim brotherhood similarly
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learn. i swear to god i will protect this republic's democracy and i will protect the constitution and rule of law and i will safeguard the interests of the egyptian people and the safety and sovereignty of egypt. morsi promised to be a president for all egyptians instead critics say he tried to consolidate his power by giving himself authority above the judiciary and dominating the government with muslim brotherhood members. morse's opposition refused to be silenced in june 2013 in scenes reminiscent of the revolution millions of egyptians fill to the square calling for the president to step down morsi refused and often national reconciliation days later the army to post have ending egypt's
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historic but brief experiment with democracy. and i thought. i would like to pay my respects to our martyrs and those who were injured in our revolution if it wasn't for their blood we would not have this revolution and we would not have home. stripped of the title of president morsi swiftly became a political prisoner once again he was ultimately tried and sentenced to death for allegedly working with foreign armed groups and plotting a mass jailbreak when guards were killed to the end morsi was defiant rejecting the court's authority and insisting he was the it just meant president of egypt elected by the people. morse's death was announced on egyptian state television which said he was in court for a hearing over his alleged contact with the palestinian group hamas take a look or feel mohamed morsi mohamed morsi died today while attending assertion in
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his trial on espionage charges during the session he was granted permission to address the judge after the assertion was adjourned the former president and then died his body was taken to a hospital well given several reactions from regional leaders the emir of qatar scheft i mean bin hamad al funny has tweeted we've received with deep sadness the news about the sudden death of mohammed morsi dr mohammed morsi i send my sincere condolences to his family and to the gyptian people turkey's president typer at a one page tribute to a former president calling him a martyr and on went on to say unfortunately the incident took place in the court room 1st so overall i wish const mercy for our martyred brother mohammed morsi now i began to hold is a washington post reporter in former cairo bureau chief for the washington post and she tweeted this the only thing that would be truly surprising to me about morsy
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courtroom death in this context is if the regime's intentional neglect of his health needs and or the use of actual torture were not contributing factors so various reactions there let's hear from our senior political analyst marwan bashar who is live for us in london marwan let's start with what the egyptian public prosecutor has said. and announcing the death that it had been pronounced at $415.00 local time that he'd collapse in the courtroom and that there were no signs of torture on mohammed morsi his body according to the autopsy that the public prosecutor said has been done what are your thoughts about this. well 1st of all the public prosecutor in today's egypt is more like. a political inquisitor. more so than than anything else considering there are tens of thousands
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of political prisoners in egyptian jails the death of mohammed morsi was one among many and in fact is the culmination is this is the symbol of the very suffering of people of that so many a very young and all are in egyptian jails now we might agree or disagree and more probably more evidence will come out about what exactly happened today but i think the more important thing is what happened over the last 6 years and any main torture long process against an elected president the 1st and only elected civilian president in egypt when he governed only for one year but during that one year egypt probably enjoyed more freedom then throughout its modern history and yet that very democratically elected leader found himself in prison treated inhumanely over 6 years and it's that torturous inhumane treatment that killed him killed him it was
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a slow torturous death of our leader of a symbol of freedom and democracy within egypt. of course al jazeera has been banned from reporting in egypt so we can't really tell you about reactions from egypt since but what do you think. they're going to make of morsi staff do you think this is going to be a watershed moment for egypt absolutely i think you will never be able to erase this from the history of egypt. i mean the very circumstance of his death during his unfair trial after 6 years of more of the cme inhuman treatment will enter the history books will enter egyptian history and they will never be raised in fact this will be the trigger for something probably much larger now i have over the last couple of hours been following the various social
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media from egyptians now one of the interesting things is that you would hear that 1st line that goes like this agree with him or not which i think is a very very 1st statement so i agree with him or not meaning whether you are supporter or no supporter or muslim brotherhood whether you are so what you do or did not. see his inhumane treatment is the worst thing that happened in egypt over the last 6 years and it is symbolic of what happened to an entire experiment in democracy to what happened to 10 tens of thousands of egyptian families seeing their brother and their sons and daughters in egyptian prison treated like mohamed morsi and probably worse inhumanely by it could it be a military that took over from this very democratically elected president so i think egyptians i think in general terms will probably probably know and
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understand how unfair this process has been over the last 6 years but a more direct question now what effect. president abdel fattah and his popularity all you know whatever egypt think of it. you know i was in egypt and to hear square towards the end of his. before the court started and i could see that his support was thinning the consensual president was a little less consensual and i think he and a lot of his supporters understood that the deep egyptian state the deep state was after him was. his presidency but what's interesting about that one year for really is what it was an experiment in democracy and people demonstrated in their thousands in their tens of thousands freely against their elected president and i
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think while he and his supporters probably made a lot of mistakes as you would expect from a nascent democracy from a newly elected leader for the 1st time in his country but generally speaking there was a large margin of freedom at the time now those who ended up for some reason or another alienated by sisi mohamed morsi story and joined the contribution or the june 30th the most aeration against morsi how of all regretted since then because that's all remember that those including 100 but are they who joined the counter morsi in june 30th and then july 3rd of 2013 they all ended up repressed killed imprisoned by the egyptian by the new egyptian general. sisi one last question before we let you go
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what about morsi legacy regionally he was a champion of a number of causes of the palestinian cause but he was only in power for a year what will be what will he be a member for in the region. you know what's amazing about mohamed morsi is very short term in office. was that he understood all too well that he was under direct scrutiny by his own people and by western powers and by egyptian allies and enemies alike and during his 1st 10 days in office he already extended hands to saudi arabia knowing all to work the saudis that were about in saudi arabia what against him but he went to saudi arabia and he tried to bridge the differences with with the monarch in saudi arabia very informally a few weeks later he wanted to run and you could see you have this egyptian leader
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the most important the biggest arab country extending hands with both 3 of them to iran something that you don't see now as maybe except with their from the emir of qatar. and then you could see him also being able to bridge the difference and to be able to even mediate during the war the israeli war on gaza was with channels open to israel and channels open to hamas in gaza doing that also with the obama administration secretary clinton speaks of in her book about her conversations with mohamed morsi and others in his government to mediate the israeli war in gaza so how much bush was able to mediate was a will to bridge he was also able to be in germany and speak against anti-semitism while criticizing israel was able to work with with moscow and washington so within the region knowing he was under scrutiny and knowing everyone was going to judge the muslim brotherhood for what they are and they are not he turned out to be the one that would be respectful of egyptian treaties for example with another's and
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egyptian commitment to the united states and others so all of know this was a statesman a moderate statements that was able within one year to do what his predecessor and successor. we're unable to do more and thank you very much for your insight as always good to have you on the program our own bashar is a senior political analyst a human rights watch says egypt is responsible for mohammed morsi stepha group told . we are saddened to hear of president morsi untimely suffering following years of brutal and unjust detention by egypt's cool government president morsi will be room remembered as egypt's 1st and only democratically elected president and his election gave hope to the people of egypt that a new era was possible the statement goes on to say the government of egypt today bears responsibility for his death given their failure to provide him with adequate medical care or basic prisoner rights now earlier i spoke to sire leah whitson
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who's the executive director of the middle east and north africa division at human rights watch she says morsi was denied medical treatment during his attention but what we've been documenting for the past. is the fact that he's been in prison treated really. the worst condition really terrible condition for egypt prisoners in the 1st detention he would large exactly 2 families with a. daughter locked in 30 minutes. he in the entire time of the 1st 4 years of his detention had exactly 110 minute meeting with his legal counsel every time he appeared before a judge he requested private medical care of medical treatment and that he was being deprived of adequate food. and adequate medicine he had been forced by his own insulin. with the money that the family had been sending him as he felt that he
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needed additional medical treatment and obviously he was very right he gyptian government has known very clearly about his declining medical state he had lost a great deal of weight he had fainted in court a number of times and was being kept in almost round the clock so terri confinement with no access to newspapers television e-mail. communication with the friends and family are let's get some reaction now from washington d.c. mike hanna is at the white house mike any reaction at all from the trumpet ministration. well foley no formal reaction from the white house as yet there has been reaction of sorts from state department saying only that they have noted the fact that morsi is dead but certainly the trumpet ministration has been very much
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in favor of the current president of egypt i'm a fighter i'll see you see he was welcomed here at the white house with great fanfare he argued very strongly believe to president trump that the muslim brotherhood of which morsi was a leader should be outlawed or described by the state department as a terror organization similar arguments have been advanced by israel how well the state department and some within the trump administration take the view that because the brotherhood plays a part in the political process of a number of countries such as turkey taking action against the brotherhood would be seen as interfering with democratic processes in other countries countries that are allies of the united states but the trumpet ministration position rather different from that of president obama remembering of course president obama traveled to cairo to make his 1st international visit welcoming the arab spring and in fact he welcomed the democratic election of mohamed morsi however at the time that morsi
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was and seated in the military coup the obama administration started to change the tone a little bit never at any stage describing the takeover as a coup d'etat so certainly mixed reactions or mixed feelings within the obama administration but with the ministration mohamed morsi seen very much as a terrorist as the trump administration would portray him and the trump administration very close to the current president seen him being welcomed at the white house. as you mentioned there's been talk at some point of labeling the muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organization in the united states where do things stand on that. well that appears to be in a band says i was mentioning there has been discussion within the group on trump administration to declare the muslim brotherhood a terror organization but this does not take into effect the fact that the
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brotherhood has taken part in a member of democratic elections in a number of democratic countries so certainly there are elements within the trumpet ministration who argue very strongly that because the brotherhood has been part and is part of the democratic political process it's very difficult to declare them a terror organization bearing in mind that they played very strong roles in turkey a strong supporter of the muslim brotherhood intimacy of course in which they are part of their democratic democracy there so there is elements within the tramp administrations that have been arguing to declare the brotherhood a terrorist organization with the encouragement of the president to c.c.u. of egypt and of course israel which has been arguing very strongly with the trump administration that it should but as yet no decision has been taken because those difference in opinions within the administration itself thank you for that my can i live for a sane washington d.c.
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. now earlier i spoke to mohamed el masri who is associate professor of media and culture studies at the doha institute for graduate studies he says he gyptian government is responsible for mohammed morsi set. and this is the outcome that the egyptian government has wanted for years for morsi and also for other brotherhood leaders like mohammed as the slightest shelter they don't want necessarily to execute these people because of the fallout that the executions would create but they want to kill them slowly morsi had been denied medical treatment essential medical treatment for his diabetes and other conditions he had been decided to deny this that or. from lawyers his doctors and family. it was gross medical negligence he had fainted on multiple occasions human rights watch documented that he had experienced a diabetic coma on at least one occasion he was fed very little. food
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and water the food and water that he was given were often contaminated and so this was the expected outcome and i think it's the the outcome that the egyptian government has wanted for years so i think in some ways you can consider this a kind of murder the egyptian government is going to deny responsibility as as they have done for 6 years they're going to say that he died because he was an old man he was being given the best medical care they've already released statements in the past to that effect so we certainly can't expect the egyptian government to launch any kind of serious investigation gyptian government killed a 1000 protesters in a single day in broad daylight in 2013 and they have been prosecuted a single person they haven't launched an inventor investigation itself. continuing coverage of mohammed morsy is death here on al-jazeera with reaction and analysis
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let's now speak to child who has covered egypt extensively for was in fact on the ground in 20122011 starting in 2011 incitement on 1020 cent during the revolution that ousted former president hosni mubarak and then later mohammed morsi 1st question what are you hearing from your sources on the ground in egypt as to how this is being covered wanted morse's death what is it your shin state television showing right now was interesting to know because it is a reflection of how the states would like it should be perceived right so it wasn't on any of the headlines of the news bulletin on t.v. and on gyptian state t.v. in fact their main headline today was the visit of the fatah has. so the fact that a former president of the most former of presidents in egypt's history has an irish democratically elected leader of egypt under which by the way by all independent
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kind of analysis there was the biggest amount of freedom of press at the time you have the state television not even mentioning it in its headlines of news but it's in fact it took 17 minutes or it's remorse recent news bulletin for them to speak about it which they had an image of the logo of the public prosecutor's office and relaying the statements of the public prosecutor right so as we heard from. the analysts we just had her talk about the intention of the regime in egypt has been true if it could wipe away any reference of mohamed morsy from existence to the point where for example any form of sympathy or support to him was perceived as a support for terrorism and citing to terrorism the raising of the forefinger in which the massacre there. bringing his picture all of these things were things that could and did land people in jail in egypt so the question here is that if this is
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the regime that we're dealing with in the sense that it tried to admit his presence there wasn't even a video of him not even an orbiter reports on state t.v. they still have the logo in fact of because egypt is hosting the african cup of nations a football tournament and they have that up what they usually do in arab countries and in egypt they do this when there is a major their favorite screens or the and they put a black ribbon right as a sign of mourning and this would not only be the case of any official but if there is a significant death of any sort of rightly when there was that football stadium disaster that let people die the train crash in cairo train station a few months ago but here they have a logo celebrating the hosting of a cup that would be unheard of if hosni mubarak was the one who died somebody who was ousted by millions of people taking to the streets who essentially many would consider destroying the country over 30 years state t.v.
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now under the military rules of the would call not just the black ribbon but would go more civil and i would buy the military of course but there were millions who also protested against his reforms that are rioters out for sure when we say there was millions who. there was also significant support for egypt is a population of after a $100000000.00 people so it's not some sort of money thea kind of. politically speaking that is ideologically speaking social fabric so so there is that diversity but i mean the people are looking at this beyond this fall and it's right and it's not a question about support of the muslim brotherhood or positions and whether it is a question about ideals of democracy freedom of speech and human rights and we heard it through human rights watch and others there were an attempt to frame this alternatively but realistically this is a question of a symbol of the general transfer of the evolution a symbol of democracy egypt's only experiments with democracy has died but hasn't died. symbol of what many people say has been killed because of intentional neglect
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by the regime in egypt a symbol of the gyptian democracy say tell us now a bit more about the man himself mohammed morsi because you met him on several occasions you did a documentary on him what was he like as a person. i mean it's interesting when you think back about morsi. prior to the nominating committee for being nominated as president not many people knew him even inside egypt even though he was a parliamentarian for some time but there was some political apathy towards the parliaments of mubarak's time because he was still of the future dictatorship and so forth he was not known he was propelled to a forefront he came in always as an important to point out this distinction in western media he's often referred to as the leader of the muslim brotherhood but in fact he was the leader of the political wing of them was yes i would not read him in general you know that he was pushed to become the leader of the political wing because their initials 1st choice of presidential candidates was at the shelter who is the deputy leader of the movement of those mothers who the freedom and justice
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party wants to put forward but because he had milit he had. criminal records and so forth he was unable to nominate himself as president so mad morsi came in as an underdog from the start an underdog within his own natural supporters of the muslim brotherhood who viewed him as a substitute choice and not a 1st race the fact that he was able maybe to some extent successfully garner support from within was something that was maybe his 1st success as a person as an individual he was contrary to what many had seen in the public he was actually. a lot quieter. a lot more concerned maybe because he was an academic and so he would be a lot more considerate in his thoughts before he would speak and so forth public speaking wasn't his strong point if you went off the record however when he was prepped beforehand and he had a team of people around him that did try their best to maybe improve that but one of the i think the irony is of his legacy so fly and is yet to be decided by
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history because we're still history still being written as reese big is that he was perceived by his opponents as very weak but in reality the positions and the decisions he took could not have been taken unless he was actually very. board politically and what i mean by that is within a couple of months of him taking office he fired fire deposed the field marshal some kind of simple power we right who was the head of the egyptian army he was mubarak's person who essentially was a pyramid is how we describe things in egypt was a pyramid or the egyptian military swat sidelined. the constitutional amendments that decrees that he made that you rightly so many were critical of because they were seen them as an overreach and so forth but that was a bold move to make right his decision not true stepped down and himself because you viewed the narrative as democracy versus coup d'etat that is
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a bold move to make 5 years of perseverance against intentional medical neglect soldier confinement and all of those things and insistence that he represented the revolution all of that reduction in you. would provide a strong argument that he was actually a lot stronger than his critics would like people to believe thank you very much for the moment continuing our coverage of mohammed morsi is death here on al-jazeera coming up to 1830 g.m.t. . here and we are now going to take a look back at the life and legacy of morsi egypt's 1st democratically elected president has died here's your birdman me with more. mohamed morsi sailed into the presidency of egypt with the wind of the people's revolution demanding change. in 2012 he became egypt's 1st democratically elected president and the 1st civilian to hold office. morsi was
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born in 1951 he spent his adult life 1st as an engineering professor then as a member of parliament on a political prisoner. the egyptian revolution in 2011 set the stage for morsi to reach the pinnacle of power. a year after egyptians overthrew longtime dictator hosni mubarak morsi took the oath of office to replace him. from the start secular egyptians were suspicious that morsi is really the agents who continue to be with the muslim brotherhood similarly learn. i swear to god i will protect this republic's democracy and i will protect the constitution and rule of law and i will safeguard the interests of the egyptian people and the safety and sovereignty of egypt. morsi promised to be
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a president for all egyptians instead critics say he tried to consolidate his power by giving himself authority above the judiciary and dominating the government with muslim brotherhood members. morsi opposition refused to be silenced in june 2013 in scenes reminiscent of the revolution millions of egyptians fill to the square calling for the president to step down morsi refused and often national reconciliation days later the army to post have ending egypt's historic but brief experiment with democracy. and i thought. i would like to pay my respects to our martyrs and those who were injured in our revolution if it wasn't for their blood we would not have this revolution and we would not have home. stripped of the title of president morsi swiftly became
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a political prisoner once again he was ultimately tried and sentenced to death for allegedly working with foreign armed groups and plotting a mass jailbreak point guards were killed to the end morsi was defiant rejecting the court's authority and insisting he was the it just meant president of egypt elected by the people. i let's now bring in my job's wherry who is professor of modern history of the middle east at cateye university my job you were pointing out something very interesting just before we came onto we came to you is that he died on the same day that he was elected in 2012. he actually he won the elections on 17th of june 2012 and this is the day of his work again as i was pointing out earlier this is a day that the gyptian authorities say he died we still don't know
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a lot. lot of so it was rather knows basically exactly. what do you make of what the prosecutor has set the scene and the end of the david has to come and say something to the public. they know that the there will be a pressure coming from outside. because in the last 6 years the story of mohammed morsy was hidden was back know when knows what's happening no one interested to know and all of the morals and ethics actually definitely suddenly barrett now everyone is asking what happened to him and the day he does basically and that is a real issue because today he died however others do they are now raising the question what happened to him. while you knew about the hidden definitions yes in which he was being held there been various reports of torture from human rights or even
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british politicians or visited him had warned that he could die if he were kept in the conditions that he was captivity actually accuse the authorities and there was a leak recorded of his his words that his life is in danger and this was actually in public people they listen to it many times and then and there is i think there is something leaked today that there was a discussion between him and the in the in the court where he said you know his life is in danger is over you know they know that this is a real issue but the authorities actually they have the nothing what effect do you think this is going to have on egypt egyptian society and the people who supported morsi. early as in a place where mr lee said that this was a very important moment a watershed moment for egypt is absolutely i want to bring i want to actually confirmed by saying if we remember what happened to egypt after say it in the early
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in the fifty's of the of the 20th century that is the 2nd event which i think will change politics in egypt because when wins was actually. in early 1950 s. politics in egypt changed and actually the muslim brotherhood has changed as well so now i think this is a serious majlis stone in contemporary history of egypt and i think more important i think this will bring back what's happened in egypt egypt no one of course in what's happening now everyone will ask what's happening in egypt and even if you know the ethics the question about moral and ethics whether human rights the sapir or buried in the last 56 years i think what the question. will be raised and the action of the international action is actually. proving the real concern of what's happening in egypt let's come back to the immediate events. in egypt public
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prosecutor saying that morsi the former president collapsed in a cage in the court after addressing the tribunal and then he was later pronounced dead at 4 50 pm local time and the prosecutor in his statement also said that the medical report on morsi showed that there was no injuries on his body but of course there are a lot of questions surrounding his death and various reports about the conditions in which he was being held let's speak some more about this. some human rights watch she is the executive director of the middle east and north africa division of human rights watch she joins us now live from new york sara i know we spoke earlier thank you so much for making yourself available once again to us here on out is there tell us a bit more sad. about the conditions what we know about the conditions
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in which mohammed morsi was being held. and well what we know is that he was singled out for mistreatment. in the 1st 4 years of his attention he had exactly 2 chamblee visits of 30 minutes each whereas other prisoners are allowed to see their families at least once a month if not more i mean he had nearly no visits with his lawyers i think before one session he had a 10 minute. meeting with his lawyers he was held in solitary confinement are nearly the entire time of his attention he never received the medical care that he asked for he was not allowed to have the food and medicine provided by his family that virtually all other prisoners in egypt are able to access. and he repeatedly asked the court begged the court pleaded to court every time he
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appeared before a judge for specialized medical treatment to be taken to a hospital facility to be taken to a medical facility where i he could receive adequate care of course he had a long history of diabetes he was a regular consumer of insulin he had to purchase insulin from. a money his family provided and his requests were never needed to. a prosecutor what do you make of what he's said so far i do think there's going to be any investigation at all by the egyptian authorities until morsi step. well i think they were he announced that they are going to have an investigation i think they've already hastily announced yet another committee that's going to investigate the circumstances of his murder but what we know about these investigations that are run by the attorney general or conducted by the egyptian government is what they
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are doing is rushing to create a cover up record of their mob seasons i think you can look back at the last several years of investigations that egyptian authorities have carried out and every single case you will find that they absolved security forces of responsibility of any wrongdoing so i don't think we're going to expect anything different here sara rights groups like human mice watch had warned about morse he's health british parliamentarians british politicians who visited him in 28 had warned about have his health why was there not more pressure from western government from western governments on the egyptian got on the egyptian authorities to do more. well i mean it's very clear that not just western governments but governments around the world decided that they would support a c.c. government and that they bought into the notion that he was the best recipe for what they understand to be stability in egypt and so i'm not just
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a do not put pressure on him with respect to morse's condition but they have really little to say or do ultimately after the massacre of over a 1000 protesters in robot and where tens of 1000 political prisoners of the are going to challenge in the sinai these are all things that western governments eastern governments northern governments southern governments have very little to say about the western governments are not alone in deliberately closing their eyes to what's happening in egypt so do you think this this trend is going to continue are you hopeful that they could be perhaps an independent international investigation into the 2nd sentence of more of these tests well i would like to note that there are now multiple independent international investigations including the ones that human rights watch has carried out including ones various human rights experts of the united nations have already carried out so i think we're well stocked with independent investigations i doubt that the human rights council will
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appoint an independent investigation into this and even if they did i don't very much of the egyptian government will give them access to the information that they would need to carry out such an indictment. beyond what's already been documented and revealed sara thank you so much for talking to us once again sally is with human rights watch she was joining us from new york now europe has maintained colas relations with the current egyptian president. despite widespread allegations of rice abuses against his administration a correspondent has more in egypt's links with europe from paris. of the beginning of the arab spring into 1011 all the way to 2012 when. it became president france along with european countries one of the view that it would be much better to include religiously conservative groups like. the
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muslim brotherhood in egypt and another in tunisia and build inclusive political processes in the middle east and in north africa but i think when they saw the situation further deteriorate in libya in yemen and in syria and when are the fatah has easy took over in a military coup and it's of the decided to shift their support what are the for to has he said for different reasons france in particular became the biggest supplier of weapons to the egyptian government selling fighter jets weapons warships to egypt saying that this could help the egyptian government prevent the rise of armed groups which were taken advantage of the volatile situation of expanding in libya in yemen in syria and also impasse over northern africa and this by the accusations by here why it's agencies as you were wise activists of the clamp down on or on the
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muslim brotherhood and her mother on mostly and his aides on activists in. egypt. french government is saying basically that is position is justified the man with the quote was quoted as saying that france decided to take a promoted this is. a pragmatic stance when it comes to providing significant military assistance to the egyptian government and i think from that moment on they decided. to turn the chapter of the muslim brotherhood and this is that most likely we're not going to see to see any strong reaction coming from from the french government about the death of president mohamed morsi and they have been more reactions to mom and morsi is death of the palestinian group hamas has hailed his efforts to serve the palestinian cause the muslim
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brotherhood which modern morsy was part of has called his death a fully fledged murder and called on egyptian to gather for a mass funeral this was in a statement on the muslim brotherhood as websites and the movement also called for crowds to gather outside egypt in embassies around the world that's not speak to our associate professor of history at georgetown university kata is live in washington thank you very much for being with us on al-jazeera. do as i have with their previous guests you know what is your initial reaction to modern morse's death and what effect do you think it's going to have an event see in egypt and in the region. well i think what we're seeing really is the latest in a number of untold tragedies that are befall in egypt from the days of the coup going back to the end of mohamed morsi as presidency which of course occurred
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prematurely one year into his presidency. in which he was overthrown by this military coup thrown into prison along with all of the political leaders and you know the entire muslim brotherhood movement many of its supporters have endured the kind of harsh conditions that we've seen that have led to his death and so in a lot of ways i think this is really just kind of symbolic of so much of the tragedy of egypt returned back to a really extreme authoritarian regime as you say is supporters of most muslim brotherhood have been arrested in recent years they've been detained they have some have many have died also you know the movement today is calling on egyptians to take to the streets to gather outside egyptian embassies around the world but also an egyptian in egypt to gather for a mass funeral do you think that call will be you know is it not going to be dangerous for them to go out. but will certainly dangerous and i think we've seen
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it going back to the massacre. just weeks after morsi is overthrow in 2013 what we've seen of course is a number of laws that were passed to basically prevent people from gathering in any capacity i think a group of something like 10 or more people is considered to be a band meeting and as a result even commemorations for instance of the general 25th uprising have been broken up very violently we've had a number of continued killings in the streets by egypt's security forces and so there's been absolutely every attempt to try to prevent any kind of public outpouring or protest movement of any kind of regarding any of the kinds of issues that continue to afflict most egyptians i think on this issue you are likely to still see at least some kind of expression of an emotional outpouring given the symbolism behind what disease does. the idea that he represented at least in the minds of many millions of egyptians one hoped for a possible change from a kind of military dictatorship and and of course we can't forget the fact that there are still many millions of egyptians that don't believe in the legitimacy of
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this current government that have yet to accept the reality of a military regime led by a different the sisi and everything that he's done in what the security forces have done quite violently over the course of the last 5 or 6 years has really been to try to cement aggressively do reality in the face of continued opposition and so that opposition exists regardless of whether it gets expressed publicly or in some sort of kind of a show of protest or solidarity but these are the kinds of occasions these are the kinds of moments that could potentially deal that sort of expression in public outpouring had the palestinian group hamas has these actors to serve the palestinian cause he was only in power for a year how do you think he'll be remembered in every change what did he say. well i think what he represented in terms of potential far more of them than actual implementation of any real change or policies that what the potential really represented was finally that the voice of the people someone who actually does it have the same kind of background that all of the arab rulers and dictators that
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have represented these states for many many decades at least for the last 5 decades have represented in something different something that was actually going to serve some kind of interest more popular interest than just a narrow interest or let's say even a foreign interest in the case of some of these more western backed dictatorships that we've seen and i think in that regard he was an even if you wasn't seen necessarily as being a champion of palestinian rights but he was someone who at least wasn't going to do the bidding of let's say the israeli siege on gaza that had become so debilitating for a decade on the population there he wasn't going to support a number of the really aggressive policies that could have yielded even more conflict and more war in places like iran as we're seeing now and so there was a sense that in terms of. region and in terms of even domestically there was going to be some kind of an attempt to change of course the reality was far different he was certainly elected but it's hard to say that he actually governed he didn't manage to have. any ability to really take over many of the most important
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institutions of the state the foreign policy apparatus the military the security forces all of these things that actually allow for the arabs rule or to govern were never really firmly in the hands of of mohamed morsi or his party or even any kind of a new civilian kind of established government i did larry and want to one question one last question before we let you go what about western governments you mentioned them briefly that in talking about their support for these authoritarian regimes you expect any reaction at all from washington from the european union and any calls for an investigation into more sneezed at. well it's doubtful considering how complicit they've been in all of these abuses leading up to the death of mohamed morsi i mean the fact that the united states never took a firm stance in opposition to the coup when it occurred in 2013 the fact that it never actually called for any accountability for the mass killings the mass imprisonment the 60000 egyptians that continue to languish in prison under horrible
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torture as conditions the same kinds of conditions conditions that are probably lead to more cities death without any kind of a statement or any kind of call for accountability in fact what we're seeing was a normalization of this of this regime under sisi we've seen the restoration of trade ties we've seen the continuation of weapons sales and a kind of reintegration of egypt into a sort of regional security. arrangement led by of course countries like saudi arabia and the united arab emirates who both of course led help sponsor the coup in egypt in the 1st place and so i think it's highly unlikely to witness anything beyond best perhaps some empty platitudes on the part of some leaders certainly not within washington i would expect but but maybe in some other parts but again i don't think that those things would necessarily yield any bit of difference in terms of the actual outcome in terms of getting to the answers of what happened i think at that time to squeeze in 11 last question have to be and what about the muslim brotherhood of course the movement has been considerably weakened in recent
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years it's not just present in egypt but in other countries in the region in tunisia for instance does this have an effect on the movement as a whole and where it heads next. well i don't think that his death in practical terms would have a direct impact considering the fact that of course he's been literally held and incommunicado for the last 6 years he hasn't had any access to the outside world and so has his presence has been really symbolic as someone who the brotherhood at least in egypt continues to look to as the elected legitimate president of egypt but the movement itself has moved on it's become a movement that is largely underground within the country and largely in exile in terms of the remaining leadership that managed to seek a safe haven elsewhere has tried to regroup has tried to kind of continue to call for some kind of accountability for the events of the coup in the aftermath has tried to call for some kind of relief for the prisoners morsy included but many thousands of other brotherhood prisoners who continue to languish in susie's prisons whose continue to try to fight back against calls by other regional leaders
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especially within certain gulf states to try to ban the organization to try to basically you know tighten the squeeze against many of its members and supporters and sympathizers and allow any kind of free expression of alternative political models for the region elsewhere and so in that sense i think that this is certainly going to be an important milestone in the history of the organization and the movement considering that this was probably the most successful moment morsi is presidency regardless of its outcome was the most successful moment in the organization's history certainly this will will probably yield yet continued soul searching in an attempt to try to sort of figure out where to go from here especially in light of the kind of continuing the pressures on the movement to basically everywhere else that it exists thank you so much up to larry and for sharing your views with us and your insight at delarey end is from georgetown university joining us there from washington d.c. thank you for your time and human rights watch has accused egypt of violations against former president mohammed morsi the organization says he was prevented from
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contacting and receiving visits from his family and always in the years after he was removed from power authorities only granted access in 2017 it says the conditions. her mind morsi is right to challenge his detention and defend the allegations against him it suggests the conditions could have contributed to a decline in his health the report detailed what it called appalling conditions that led to morsi is losing weight fainting and experiencing a diabetic coma now more reactions now from the emir of qatar the same shot i mean bin hamad are funny has tweeted this we've received with deep sadness the news about the sudden death of former president mohamed morsy i send my sincere condolences to the fact to his family and the people let's once again speak to. correspondent who's covered egypt extensively for as here on al-jazeera. the
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egyptian prosecutors comments how do you think they will be received by people in egypt well depends which type of people i mean the majority of people will not really give it much thought because the understand regardless of whether they support the current regime or not that there is. a lack of integrity transparency in the official narrative of everything whether not just in the case from morsi the different comments on the train crash that killed many people a few months ago prosecutor's office statements on the killing. students who was. killed and left his body left in the. road for several days or many other issues has been cause for skepticism because there is no oversights because there is no transparency or independence in the egyptian states and therefore there are going to be questions about. did he die today i mean the fact that something like this happened and was announced today was asked of the who everybody knows is very much
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a figure who likes to be a hands on when it comes to issues related to mohamed morsi himself personally would he allow for a situation like this to happen while he was out here of the country right and this is something that's going to raise questions could it be that he was he died or a few weeks back when it was a modern and maybe not the most opportune time to announce for us that they're all speculation yes there's no evidence they are in a question and me saying. so it's true of the past few years the way in which some of the news or most of the news with gaza has been coming about has been through his family because even though they were given very few and you can count them on your hand attempts to visit him and they were namely only certain individuals within his family his wife and daughter not his sons would be made statements from them because also within the corrupt prison system that exists in egypt there were ways of bribing officials within the prison to get certain types of information or other things like that they view his death as murder they view him as
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a martyr they have repeatedly complained. for several years that if something is not done immediately to improve his prison conditions and that would lead to his premature death bear in mind he is a young man he didn't suffer any significant health. in fact actually for the presidential campaign at the time something i remember and this was one of the kind of parameters of how far egypt had gone in its democratic experience there had to be a medical examination done for those who wanted to be candidates in those 2011 trying to troll of president trying to travel the presidential campaign something which he passed on so for him to die in that way considering that there was another president who went allegedly was in prison for some time present for some about his condition was completely different is something that's going to me. people not just question the narrative of the public prosecutor's office but to question the intent
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of the egyptian authorities to find a way to end mohamed morsi is a life without it necessarily being an execution per se in the exact meaning of the word but maybe one where they are responsible for his death without directly being responsible for its. let's talk about his legacy to end. we've heard reactions from the emir of qatar from president has described him as a martyr no reaction yet from saudi arabia. or the united arab emirates but these are countries that he visited. namely as soon as he was elected president of egypt . how do you view that and what do you think his short term as leader of egypt what impact what legacy will that have on the region what's been the united arab emirates invested billions literally billions of dollars in removing mohammed morsy not necessarily because they had something personally against muhammad morsi the may have but mainly because he represented the free will of the our people and
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there was that fear and belief that the success of revolution be it in egypt or syria or in other places but particularly just because of its geo political strategic nature the birches an existential threat to the dictatorial monarchies of saudi arabia and the united arab emirates and that's why the inverse of that much they would sigh a sigh of relief because mohamed morsi is seen as a symbol they would bank on the fact that those who were prone morsi were poor evolution is one move beyond that however it's important to note just one last comment that came recently just now from a double triple for example europe's most famous football player tweeting about him as one of the but i also as well so there is a lot more coming out and we will continue to bring you that here on al-jazeera all the reaction and analysis from around the world to mohammed morsi stephy chips 1st democratically elected president has died continuing coverage on al-jazeera from
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