and what scientists are calculating is that that point of no return that we've been hearing about is between 20 and 20 percent so if this calculation is correct we are very close to seeing. want to produce our indianness on we don't have but i was told i was doing an article about it and i was told that every human being every being in the planet we don't have to kill the whole thing to kill it all you know you that's right because that money is suffering pressure for climate change because the climate in numbers are nice changing but all for a lot of should recall 2 or. so you know that too little profit you very very small number of people who only predict this solution. for the water the book relation so the scientists that come up with very nicely showing that it is possible to develop a muslim in a sustainable way does not cost too much money we do need to have the political

will to do so mainly the issue is not scientific you would switch more political than any c.e.o.'s so you said and i wouldn't go which is what i want to come back in here because i want to share news that broke in earlier this month in august the beginning of august this headline was are you aware brazil scientists sacked after deforestation row with president we're talking about ricardo galileo he headed the government agency that rebuilds an increase in deforestation in the amazon and that was the space research agency this is what our community thinks of that firing rafael says he was clearly fired because he showed based in facts what is really happening with the amazon forest devastation of the forests increased to 178 percent of comparison with the same period of last year but i want to share with you well scenarios words from his own mouth here is what he said in all this when it came to the facts of this report. says look if these figures were all

true the amazon would have been devastated 3 times over during the past 20 years we have to combat zone but if you put us psychologically on the figures came from inside from one of our organizations that is the big where you we have i even think that studying it more closely we should see that maybe people released this information in bad faith to damage the current government and harm brazil's image political him philippe what did you make of that firing. well that's pure censorship but he's not only censoring science he's also sending a message to the ones who are on the ground in amazon you are allowed to the forest you are allowed to invade unusual conditions out you are not allowed to kill you setters and violent explosion that's a message of good bosso not to be sending to the kids support this. never mind the

law now isn't it time for. piracy it's the reality that you can see in the amazon today it's not for the station fire there is the movement i think women indigenous women today in brazilian marching for defending their territories it's a brother censorship from from the administration not only to get out of go vo but everyone who just went to live in their environment being this process as exact as opposed to matthew it's trying to push. on that sense i would say i talked with a couple of government workers and as a generally 2nd set that's not where they should be hard to reach someone in the government to have for example a quote and i got to speak to some government workers who are talking bad now which is the environmental agency to say so and they relayed was sleep just said that

some of them have been indicated not to talk to the media that some of them are not talking to the press because the are worried they will be fired and they also told me that what they feel from the government he's a complete shutdown of communication between these agencies and the government so and also complete these beliefs of the scientific data which was what happened with the firing of the god caldwell so also not all and the minister of environment because it's all about denying these data they are saying that they are false and that they are called because there is at least the ideology and a belief go will to overthrow the government and so these people are faking the seita according to the president and he's in the situation to convey a bad image of the president across brazil now even not has said that these is correct. yeah you know it's important to note that. you said you would.

not open to wouldn't put before the station we have been told to do this to 40 years they can always use to fight on the ground so we had leaders who would not want you to want people to be called foreigners problem is that when. false if you wish it were meant to go over and for a few rich now so be discreet let's see what this is really. nice. philippe you mentioned earlier the protests that are happening right now and i want to share with our audience what those look like because of course we have brazilian indigenous women who are marching all the way to. protest some of us in our own policies and among them are these environmental policies have a look you know some thank you. we will be here

shouting women women women s.o.s. our fire is disappearing mother nature is asking for help and nobody's listening we need a shout s.o.s. for the defiant station of our land we need help we need to have visibility do you understand we're crying for how did i stop it in football. so philippe paolo here on twitter says brazil under the helm of all scenario has prioritise industry interests by mining and farming on indigenous lands and weakening environmental restrictions the development of the amazon poses a threat to the plethora of indigenous communities that live there talk to us about the specific incidences that have been happening with some of these communities. my 1st thing is i'm going to strike today defending education at the same time that i'm on strike defending dimas and we are all in striking. as university in brazil.

this is not a result voting a new if i remember licensing deal that she just wasn't to make it any easier for big money companies invading these are serious or this is not business this is another thing this is pure what you want to open in the amazon is not new business because we were doing business before because our astronomers are going to make that the beginning of his mandate on the 2nd day of his mandate but also not to try to move the responsibility of the marketing indigenous lens the ministry of justice to the ministry of agriculture which has exactly the opposite interest of the indigenous communities and using the genus people are on the forefront of these of these battles if you look at most of the green patches in the amazon they correspond either to natural reserves or to in the genetics reserves and it's a very unfair battle as they have been folding telling me as i told philippe

recession you know you are comparing these people who still eating a very thin way to cattle you know you because miners for example that come in and some tractors and go. away off them it's not only just destroying reversal of corresponding since the beginning of the year we have seen killings we have seen stonings and i have seen that things they have thing you know schools wanting to just communities on fire and there was a peak increase of these all the electoral. votes a lot of fault per se but since the beginning of the year he's been saying a lot of a lot of his one. can come out and get to being represented as very and fighting the just the most racist calling you just people breaking story beings like you said on the same press conference you just use

a clip from right so you know these people are in fact that they are actually the last frontier of protecting the amazon not only of them and i should add that most agency workers even public servants even bear the part of the government but they are under attack because most of the action. so meet me i'm polo polo i want to go to you with this because we just got a comment and that's a little bit of a push back to the conversation we've been having this is lou john is from brazil he writes i think it is a it is good for the economy if we do a more careful approach to this business i think we can be careful and don't defer cause deforestation without thinking about the consequences the english is a little bit broken there but you get his point though he says that there is a business case to be made here. is some courses that are. very good experienced enough long enough that

a lot of the reason we don't just going to do was think that. if you strike a spoonful of their report released that if you want to go resource just for diplomacy for very very few. years so be sure you have fighting under the messiah you know good point you can make the economy grow but then you destroy his brother it kind of backfired. yeah you know. in many ways we. really should be. so basically. short. very very not really to i'm not one of the lucky to spot this kind of political party development. and. sustainable development

for almost do you know i want to share with you all a comment one moment i want to share with you all the comet because you took the time to send it to us and it's interesting for the pale directed to you he comes from amazon watches same as i r 10 best but he me he's an indigenous biologist from the cane gang people and a consultant with the group amazon watch and he has this message for the international community. than the originals movement of brazil we represent the truth and the future and the government represents a total of us that he present destruction and sent back and he will do everything to force his agenda and attack his opponents he try to diligent the mice all those who disagree he wheat he's sorry tarryl bridging that does not respect brazilian people and their diversity and the environment wealth of the contrary so we call for international solidarity to help us spread the misdeeds of this government

always trying to create fake news today for attention from he's irresponsible acts . so philippe he calls for international solidarity will he get it do you think that the rest of the world the international community realizes how important this is. i'm sure he will we're not going to let them as i'm be destroyed he was precise the indians are fighting for the future their fight for the future generations when you talk about these most movement in brazil we're not talking about the best we're talking about the future truly speaking the tipping point that we may soon be here is a ready happening the shingle part is so it's a route that by sawyer. plantation it's the force that has been this right where the indians are defending the future of the forest is the future of procedure . is to protect the possibility for future generations to live in this country.

and yet we've got this here you're talking about the future and something hopeful but i want to share this tweet from someone who says there is little to nothing that can be done about the amazon climate change is dangerously rail and deforestation is carelessly an ending we our our own nemesis. do you share his sentiment or do you have a little bit more hope because it has been done before that the rates of deforestation have gone down in brazil before ya know i'm not best to mislike at this message because we i'm sure that if the international community to gether with you brazilians we will reverse de strange this has happened as you mention brazil has a very nice story of reducing the forestation from fall from 28000 square kilometers in 2003 only 4000 square kilometers in 2012 right now we've doubled that number to 8000 instead of people be to the 2018 chill basically this

shows is it possible to reverse the deforestation but these need these policies that should be applied on our long term these should. options for the local population and also should be legislation for the big island on it not to destroy them asunder but instead to develop a sustainable development for the regions and many very good experiences showed that this can be done does not cost too much money. it is the promise of the government to develop the amazon in a sustainable way so i think we'll just have to wear in see if that will be applied in the future but i have to say that the international community might have a very important role in this i mean we've seen how people have reacted to palm oil to plastic around the world so we're seeing big you know environmental consciousness in the world and there are already products on the shelves that we

consume every day crude coconut oil and so many that come from brazil come from sustainable development but i think in the moment that people realize that these products we are consuming come from illegal trade and not fair trade as we have promised i think there's going to be an international reaction to boycott this product and even in sweden has happened in a very small scale that these very small supermarket has banned brazilian could and has created a campaign called got caught brazilian crude just approached us that they were receiving products promised us create straight and they were not so i think the international community might have a role in this i think people will react and will not accept this is happening and also are good rock ones too to do was cry and you are not the only one that thinks that is all the time we have for now but i do want to share this because you're not alone this person on twitter says this is not a concern of only brazilians but of the world amazon is the long of the world we

should stand and say no to these policies thank you so much for joining us today philippe paolo and the target.