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much of all in order to mitigate the fake. way which is wreaking havoc across the country qatar has revealed the official logo for its 2022 football world cup with a worldwide media campaign the image was being famous buildings across the globe at the same time with unveilings in qatar its capital doha and around the middle east and in russia the 2022 logo was welcomed in the capital moscow russia of course was where the last world cup was. and the 2026 world cup will be held in north america the united states will co-host the tournament with canada and mexico a logo was unveiled a new york city in the heart of times square 0 richardson has more. well in some ways the details of this emblem answer is important as the wider symbolism of the timing of this launch as we build up to the 2022 world cup here in cattle the
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timing of this launch is no accident it was september the 3rd 1971 when cattle became an independent country having previously been a protectorate of britain and it's now as an independent country the cat's always bringing the world cup to the middle east for the very 1st time and after all the conversations and contrivances we've had since katz i was awarded the world cup in 2010 the global nature of the launch of this emblem is a reminder to everyone that sure enough a football tournament will be coming here in nov 2022 in terms of readiness to with the 8 stadiums are now finished one of them the khalifa stadium will be on show to the world later on this month when it hosts the world athletics championships and then in december we have the club world cup here in cats are the 1st big day for events be hosted by the country effectively a test event ahead of the world cup as cats already seeks to establish itself as a global hub for elite sports.
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headlines on al jazeera this hour british prime minister boris johnson is threatening to call for a snap election if m.p.'s go against him on wednesday parliament is voting on emotion which would block the no deal broke set on october 31st and delay britain's new divorce state by 3 months lawrence lee has more from london. everybody is dissecting. how it came to be that if she will do so to them please good folks against their own governments and the answer seems to be that they were so absolutely disgusted by the threats that the bullying tactics from downing street say to them if you vote against the government in this bill then you're out of the conservative party you can't stand the election it will be selected after they voted against the government last night they were phoned up. to speak of the minister said he got it by text you know you know he selected and so this is
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absolutely hardline tactic from downing street to say you're either with us or you date. iran says it will release 7 crew members who were detained when a british flag oil tanker was seized in the strait of hormuz in july meanwhile iran's deputy foreign minister says the country would return to the nuclear deal commitments but only if it receives $15000000000.00 of oil sales the deal was proposed by france in a bid to salvage the agreements hurricane dorian is moving towards the southeast united states after hitting the bahamas as a category 5 storm at least 7 people were killed there local media in hong kong is reporting that the chief executive terry lamb will announce the formal withdrawal of a controversial extradition bill the proposal sparked months of mass demonstrations across the territory. explosions have been reported in the syrian coastal city of latakia state television says the blasts were a result of anti-aircraft guns intercepting drones that were launched towards an
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airbase from a so-called deescalation zone. cats are has unveiled the official logo for its 2022 football world cup with a worldwide media campaign the image was beamed across the globe at the same time with unveilings and qatar's capital doha those are the headlines the stream is coming up next right here on al-jazeera stay with us. what guarantees will be given to the people will be attending the workshop we listen i'm supposed to explain apologize for someone it's also terrorizing we meet with global newsmakers and talk about the stories that matter just 0. i'm a republican i'm a journalist and if you're the best good journalism and moore in this. life any ok and i'm only going to what would you do if telling the truth defying
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your government today we meet the whistleblower who tried to stop the iraq war so share your thoughts on the matter you can tweet us and leave your comments and i live chat and you might be in the stream as well. in the lead up to the 2003 iraq war catherine uncovered a plot by the united states to spy on the united nations the goal was to uncover information about holdout delegates of the u.n. security council in an attempt to force their support for a war guns largely overlooked story is the subject of a new film official secrets have a look. intelligence maybe you can take this country to. let me take you turn to face value. goodness you don't know if you believe this could use or. do you want to risk it all.
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every country biggest demonstration in human history. it would be. extremely difficult when that document is long. and joining us to discuss this real life story in turkey catherine gunn the former british intelligence specialist whose acts of bravery is the basis for the film in london journal small team bright the reports of him published catherine. i don't know sanjay's california gavin hood he's a filmmaker and director of official secrets welcome after he got to have so much to talk about so let's get cracking many so many facets to this conversation so i want to share one from someone who knows what they're talking about this is marcel reaches a whistleblower summit organizer and here's what she told the story who has reported waste and abuse that's abuse and says abusive parents. and abuse of
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power are who's who are the people who we who are and be early on to who. we who are. society's don't know and can become more. people like us don't speak out. people like us so catherine take us back to 2003 when you got that memo did you see yourself as a whistleblower were you thinking of the ramifications of it. no not at all i mean i. i didn't join g.'s h.q. to leak anything i didn't you know i never will of ever sticking my head about of the parapet or anything but it's you know that memo had really triggered me it was . a show of duplicity it was it showed what was going on behind the scenes at a time when war is imminent and i just you know it was so important for the world to
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know what was really going on that i have to bring it to the world's attention then and i wasn't thinking how what would happen to me at all. the guardian is the sister paper to the observer and because it's quite recent history i could look up and see that memo still online just going to go for it here and just selling it to you he was let tell it you when you 1st read it you remember what it felt like to see it. the thing about this matter is that. those of us who've been working investigative journalism a number of years are used to receiving documents are after the effect people often receive or often but. when people do receive documents they tend to be documents about things that have happened what was extraordinary about this was that i was receiving apparently a document a bias something that was ongoing you know that the war hadn't happened and we had
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almost like a light leak this was this was. something that was showing us what was going on behind the scenes seem to be in total contradiction to what our politicians are telling us one and of course today in $21000.00 we have the benefit of hindsight i want to show this and twitter from adam jabber who says the war could have been prevented if only good people rallied and the united nations was up to its task because this war was based on past goods no weapons of mass destruction in iraq so of course we all know that now some people knew that back then the dad then what 1st attracted you to this story did you know catherine story. oh i was i was called by my producer made a film called under sky with and he said get in if you have a catherine gun and you feel like you ought to and i had just googled and called me back and of course that led to you know the 3 years we've spent making the film i
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met with catherine and spent many many days with her with martin marty introduced me to other journalists on the story and to a very famous lawyer called bin emerson who's played by ray finds in the movie who defeated catherine and what i loved about catherine story and still pretty special is that catcher you'll forgive me if i say this so feel free to jump in but i think catherine is an ordinary person who's done an extraordinary thing cats not. someone you might generally think of as a high flying political person and she's an only person who went to her job as many of us do and in different fields and something landed on her desk that wasn't right and that could happen to any fuss now you don't have to be a spy for that to happen as your whistleblower leader says said the person said this can happen in a corporation it can happen in
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a studio at all for wherever and the question i think the film raises and what catherine thrusts in our face that i have bravery is what would you do what would you do if you discovered something wasn't right within the organization for which you work would you have the courage to say this isn't right at the risk of losing your job and cast of course to risk not it losing her job but her freedom so whatever you think politically there's no question in my mind but we're looking at a very brave woman catherine let me just show people the moment think dabbing as a director we created when you went into. that school intelligence agency in the u.k. they found out that somebody a man must have a lot. someone in this building has betrayed the government and their country now i'm sure it wasn't anyone in this division but starting today internal security will be conducting interviews with each and every
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one of you if you know anything will suspect anyone it is you will soon learn to speak if you do not and you want found to have withheld information of any kind you will be charged with a breach of the official secrets act. catherine the film says it is based on actual events a we have. in the film this is your story how to gavin get this based on actual events how did he get it right what he did take. and i guess. he. just. well i mean he. he contacted or dead contacted. and said you know what when can i meet you how do we get started on this i'd like to
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talk to you and so they invited me to lunch and i i went and stayed for a few well where we are and we talked for about 5 days came to my. staying with my family and we sat and we talked. pretty much for 5 days i think was an hour and. and he just said is start from the beginning and have this massive love the book and he just kept writing and writing and writing page on page and. i was impressed martin. majestic gave off one of their information but he did that we gathered how to how did he get that extract the truth out of it . the whole point about this this whole process is that we're talking about the sanctity of truth. what we were trying to do and we're breaking the story was find out what happened
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and hold those politicians to account so for me when this is being made into a hollywood movie it was extremely important to stick to the facts because when it when it comes to release we are inevitably going to be held to account ourselves for the way that we've told this story so i was i have to say huge relief there when i met gavin and he shared my determination to tell the story as it was and you have to realize that this this isn't a conventional hollywood narrative there isn't a single journalistic hero that runs through this is very much a collaborative effort. and also we as journalists as happens hounded over the joke we handed the bottle over to the lawyers a crucial part of the film as well so all ringback this was extremely important and
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i was. but i know it's a good thing that he was prepared to fight for that version of the narrative because i can imagine they were also difficult pressuring to tell you in a completely different way right so i didn't mean to jump in but i just want to say thank you to mark the casting because i'm as a filmmaker you know here they are back to the movie thank you thank goodness because when you go to all this trouble and you're telling a story about people who are still very much alive you can clearly see your great fear is that you will finish the film and they will say that's not right and that's the end of the movie so it was important quite seriously to. get the information from this source from these folks you would direct in bulk and continuously run the script by them to make sure that we were accurate of course it's a film of course they are played by actors of course we've compressed time. a one year period of time in cancer and life into a 2 hour film but as martin said i mean the key thing here is to stick by the
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material facts and we have done that and and i'm very thankful for the dedication and support and information that martin and catherine and the other journalists and the lawyer and emerson about this case to us and when we talk about sticking to the material facts it leads people to say things like this this is on you tube someone just writing in that she is a hero and she deserves a nobel prize and of course they're talking about you catherine so there are parts of this movie where you're pro-trade by here and nightly so what they did lee and so beautifully where clearly you're having to make a barry tough choice but because it's a movie and it's drama ties the viewer doesn't always see how tough that choice was and i'm talking specifically about your family life your yard your husband at the time who was put in a precarious situation to talk to us about what was going through your mind when
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you decided to blow the whistle keeping in mind your husband's status as immigration status. well i have to be honest i didn't actually think of anybody else at the time. i had the sort of i don't know bling kid like a horse you know bling bling because on. which kind of prevented me from even thinking about the consequences i mean. i don't really know how to describe it except that i was very very concerned about. what was going to. inevitably happen it seems in iraq i mean campaign people's lives being destroyed you know a whole you know devastation across the country and. that was like the most pressing thing in my mind at the time it was only later when you know when i might
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position seemed to be untenable that i felt like i had to come forward and confess that i had baked it. that's when everything starts. and i realized that you know i was suddenly going to be in a whole lot of trouble. after having to have to say we had a long discussion about you. can we were thinking but i was what i thought a husband why would she thought as been done to the boss he was at the site and see didn't she really love him that we what we she we went back i'm full why would somebody do that that he's such a huge sacrifice and he said he didn't even it didn't even occur to. yeah i made. a psycho. and. i've added and i was just so caught up in the moment i was so caught up in the fact that war was imminent and yeah and i was trying to remember and i on air i mean i
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was trying to be an anonymous and i didn't i didn't think that. even for real husband still remaining anonymous get in take have a what caffeine fix not address what was the truth can i think you know what's interesting about catherine's point is we mustn't we mustn't forget that as she described to me what at the moment she leaked it she wasn't planning on confession i mean she was you were rather hoping that this would you would leak and that someone would investigate further right that you so you describe and we said that in the film is that right and that you would never have you say it was you it was only when you saw your friends being interrogated so and other people's lives you could not ruin i come in here just felt you had to step in and say so but i don't speak for folks will go it might not catch i'm sorry my god and i said i mean yeah i mean i think you have to remember. lou was a terror. she really.
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activists or she simply wanted to get something out and how do we be able to work with her a more conventional way how do you been able to. to work in the way that we light so with our sources we would advise to completely differently we would have to trust starts told her to keep her mouth shut. but she's such an honest person that she she just felt she couldn't do that so one thing that the film is clear but it is i think unusual by these kinds of cases is that. question wasn't. castrating did not work with us it later became i think quite important i was on the case but you know the time we had no idea. and. let's just remember that she's not someone who's trained to do this kind of
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thing she was just acting coach i'm so glad you spoke up there martin because so much of this conversation surrounds the role of the media and earlier we're talking about handing the baton over to the lawyers because there is the melt multi-pronged process but some people online accurately are saying it was the media that dropped the baton in the 1st place i want to share a comment from reuters national security correspondent jonathan landay and here's what he told the story whistleblowers play absolutely vital role in helping to hold governments accountable they expose corruption they exposed malfeasance the expose abuse of power and they become whistleblowers because there is no mechanism within government at least in their opinion that allows them to report these abuses so they come to the media and in that regard whistleblowers play absolutely vital roles in helping the media do their job in holding governments accountable martin so many people recognize out now that newspapers organizations television stations
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were dropping the ball when it came to this story. you know they weren't alone i mean i completely agree that it's large swathes of the media excepted the government narrative. and shame on them for doing that that's not the job of journalists the job of journalist sister to go out stories and report them. so it's not the job of journalists or take the side of the antiwar movement was to try to find out what was happening and report it and i'd like to think that had i found evidence that there was. a cache of weapons of mass destruction in iraq i would have printed that that's what that's what journalists do. but it was not just the journalists that. dropped the ball. it was parliamentarians it was the legal system it was the diplomatic service. people who
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failed a lot of people failed in that in the run up to the war in iraq and we're still feeling the consequences not. i completely appreciate. what's correspondent saying that. but i think that what happened is that because we allowed politicians to play fast and loose with the truth during the iraq war we've ended up in the situation where we are now where politicians really don't care whether they're telling the truth or not and we have that problem again in person and in america let me just play the moment where that mosque and catherine meet this is just outside of the court where all the things where. you can government can kept going to court so it's a very tense moment have a one. he took it in real risk these are the risks thing we did was extraordinary i think when you understand this extraordinary our
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institutions failed us and come intelligence services and press they failed us categorically even my own paper supported the war before that and then they seem to be no thank you. to pour you did. matters. so badly in the 2nd time i watched the film i could hear the music welling up and i think well that's what i was some tape from at that point so you know many have forgotten the audience but we have real facts well our 4th will still fits into our understanding of the lead up to the iraq war the iraq war well i mean i'm old enough to have lived through that war and. it all seemed you know we had all these stories about weapons of mass destruction and. being lied to and colin powell has conceded that you know speech at the u.n. was one of the worst days of his life and but somehow it all seemed
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a little above us or a little big and this story took a meeting and i hope our audience will be taken into a very personal quite simple situation of it all really person catherine and i know isn't offended if i say she's ordinary. doing her job who could be one of us i've said it before and and so it became a lot more accessible on one has sort of compelled to ask what might have happened had one or 2 or 3 other people who received this memo whether it be any say or a g.c. h.q. in britain done what catherine did imagine if just one other person at least that many imagine if 5. so when martin says that our institutions fail us and it's great to hear you say to this the mets would say what is it i'm. rather did you see i took notes from my to this and put them into the movie it was reasonable. but
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when he says that he's right you know it's the press fails to take deeper but so did certain people within the security apparatus spell to resist what i mean in fairness you know admiral boyce all took to his great credit was demanding and legal advice from the attorney general ready goals from tony blair at before he would risk his soldiers being charged with a war crime well of course we now know that the vice was consistently right up until you know a matter of a week or so before that war that tony blair needed a u.n. resolution in order to be to justify that war so. there are people who are speaking up but perhaps not enough and so it's a difficult thing i mean i'm not suggesting that. everybody should leak every state secrets and i don't believe cat you're suggesting that you know what i admire about cancer and what we're interested in about cancer is that she is only ever to this one memo she hasn't even to this day told busy me he or anyone else as far as i
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know what else she did. that and she says she was loyal she worked for 2 years quite happily i seem cut but he's just been but this was a bridge too far as that fit to 2nd. absolutely i mean that was a line i was unwilling to step across i didn't want to come near it i didn't want to be part of you know. what subsequently has become one of the biggest tragedies in the you know last 20 years or last you know longer it's a huge tragedy that is before then iraq and the repercussions to have carried on through. the last 16 years you know we still feel the rate repercussions to to this day catherine i wanted to ask briefly before we close the show on some of the repercussions for you the at this video comment from tom miller have a listen to i've interviewed over 200 whistleblowers and trust
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a 1000 with similar experts and activists and one of the most consistent themes i've seen is no matter how heroic the whistleblower is what or how much good they do how many lives they say they are permanently excluded and blackballed from their chosen work in the future and that for me isn't an forgivable indictment of the industries in which they work and of society that can cheer the whistleblower in the theater as a hero but then go home and forget that in real life whistleblowers lose their jobs and sometimes their families their livelihoods forever. severe repercussions would you do it again. yes i would i mean i don't i don't want to live knowing that i didn't do my best and you know you don't know till you try i try. i just want to show you what kathleen looks back like because it's such an impressive youngster who decided that she was going to take on her government while i'm
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developed what the protesters want. in the 1st of 2 special reports people in power traces the dramatic evolution of hong kong summer of defiance on the. big stories generate thousands of headlines it seems that much the media is still struggling with how to deal with it with different angles from different perspectives and you hold to separate the spin from the facts. the misinformation from the journalism how careful must you your words but some tough stuff has to be said for some critics have to be made listening post on al-jazeera . the people of the country they have to choose which to speak out. u.k.
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prime minister boris johnson plans for a snap election as m.p.'s in his own party joined the opposition to block a no deal. you want you know just their ally from headquarters and i'm telling you now brigade also ahead iran says it may consider staying in the nuclear deal if the french offer of a 15000000000 dollar bailout is agreed to. 5 u.s. states declare an emergency as hurricane dorian closes and after devastating the bahamas plus. brazil's indigenous what annie's have been relegated to 8 over crowded reserves and now president john. noddle says that he's canceling all he did with quest for more land for this country's indigenous people.
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hello the british prime minister boris johnson is bracing for another showdown in parliament after his bricks and strategy suffered a humiliating defeat parliament is set to vote on a motion later on wednesday which would block a no deal bracks said on october 31st it could also delay britain's exit from the e.u. by 3 more months the prime minister has come back fighting threatening to call for a snap election if m.p.'s vote against him johnson has kicked out 21 members of his own party after they voted against him to seize control of the parliamentary agenda the government has lost its working majority in parliament johnson's cabinet is assembling now for a crisis meeting before what's expected to be another dramatic day in british politics now barker begins our coverage from london. britain's democracy is at war. with itself. as protesters marched on westminster politicians returned from the summer recess poised to push new legislation 3
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parliament to a blog post johnson. a number of m.p.'s including prominent politicians in johnson's own conservative party have rebelled against the government and you know you see it with opposition m.p. starforce johnson to delay breaks it is the default legal position is the u.k. will leave the e.u. on the 31st of october m.p.'s want to delay breaks until the end of january to prevent leaving the e.u. without a deal. the ice of the right 328 the notion the last 301 and choose to evening m.p.'s supposed to take control of parliamentary business . not a good start forus allowing them to begin debating the creation of new legislation on wednesday if m.p.'s do pass a bill to prevent a no deal johnson says he'll have no choice but to push to hold a general election possibly on october the 15th if any peace vote tomorrow to stop
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