to visit the united states and talk about their thank you very much. chief executive is holding her 1st community dialogue session but protesters are chanting outside the venue this is live these are live pictures from inside the venue where kerry will hear the concerns of a 12050 citizens some people outside the venue have formed a human chain and are holding signs accusing the chief executive of not meeting their demands under pressure to step down is hoping that these sessions will end the protests in hong kong have been running for about 16 weeks it's got harder not to join us and for more on the scott you're just outside the venue and then there seems to be somewhat something of a protest there can you tell us more about the atmosphere there and set the scene for us 6. absolutely give you know we've been here for a couple of hours here and i 1st came here there were no protesters and steadily it's grown to i'd say about 5600 people out front you can hear them chanting now we

know that the dialogue itself has started there was a brief speech by kerry lamb before she started to entertain questions from these 250 home congress who are inside and speaking with her the very 1st question was about internal independence i should say independent investigation of the police actions over the 16 plus weeks of protests at one of those 5 demands that you hear the protesters chanting quite a lot that they want to happen that was the very 1st question that she's addressing to be addressing a lot of questions she has about 2 hours to go with those 150 people inside and many more outside here chanting in protest and give your thank you very much scott heidi and hong kong for us. and still ahead tonight there are. 0. under pressure to resign britain's prime minister challenges the opposition to get reforms. and the community under fire in south africa why soldiers will be fighting

gang violence for months to come. hello if you're living or going to accuse you might think will it ever end i'm sick of the rain yes it's nothing there now is a streak of caterpillar another one down there that's the thunder storm by the way but typically in the next day or so i think we're from the rain once again gathering from further south hitting maybe touching south korea now this place has been waterlogged virtually for the whole of the summer every time there's more right there's always a potential bit of flooding and it's there for a couple of days for the ever to was home sure maybe catching the south of south korea otherwise it's warm and sunny and that's true back in beijing at 31 degrees still quite high for this time of year the rest of china is still effectively dry

we're waiting for the northeast monsoon to be dominant and it certainly looks like it wants to be a little mushier with neverland of course there's not much tired either and therefore not much rain what was there in sichuan might recurs because we haven't yet seen the back of the monsoon rains over india but we are seeing the rains generally going sacks so the full cost will still give you a rain of some sort probably sundry in vietnam cambodia and thailand but increasingly of the island of borneo is edging sasa back as far as sumatra hasn't yet reached much is left of indonesia and the sulawesi could be wet. some just. obvious rallied to the cause. but were all complicit in creating wild of terror and oppression. now living in fear and denial they reveal their motivations and the shocking truths from the inside.

witness the women advice down. to 0. hello again you're watching our desire and his reminder for top stories this hour the u.s. intelligence chief is due to testify before politicians about a whistleblower case that's led to calls for impeachment president trump has been criticized for asking is ukrainian counterpart to investigate his political rival joe biden. chief executive is holding her 1st community dialogue session he is meeting 150 citizens but outside the venue there been protests accusing the chief

executive of not meeting the demonstrators demands. and france is mourning the death of the former president jacques chirac his son in law says the 86 year old died peacefully surrounded by his family the veteran politician was a long time mayor of paris prime minister twice and president for 12 years. for more now on the day the former president jacques chirac here holds key is a veteran journalist and commentator and joins us from paris great to have you on the program. as we said there was quite hard to pin down particularly in his ideology because it was so flexible but what do you think he did achieve if anything for france. it's a very complex legacy that is living because he didn't reform from us and a lot of people have been criticizing him for. a long period of stalemate in reforms

but on the other side he was very careful to keep the cohesion of the nation and he was very. is certainly remembered for someone who was very attached to keeping social classes and different groups of people within the nation together and that's certainly something that. people remember now with a lot of the stranger because the country has gone through a lot of divide since then now you personally had an experience with jacques chirac and which highlighted his personality and it's very some would say affable and others would sometimes say almost aggressive personality can you tell us about that . yes it was the 1st big diplomatic trip that he started doing in 1906 after being elected president and he was it was

a middle east tour that started in jerusalem and we were walking in the old city of jerusalem with the french delegation and the security was so tight that it prevented the president to shake hands with any palestinian and he prevented the press from being in contact with the delegation so there was a lot of friction and at one stage she had made an outburst which remain quite famous because it was filmed and he said what do you want you would you want me to go back to my plane and to go back to frost this is a provocation and that made him immediately a hero in the whole arab world in the palestinian community because no one had spoken that way to israeli police and israeli me israeli border guards that were maintaining this very tight security and after that we traveled to. we traveled to

a man to cairo to damascus and beirut was a big tour and everywhere people had seen the images and she was like an immediate hero he was very spontaneous where he made this outburst but that was really personality that he he felt this was not right this was he was not being treated. in the hardest way by the israelis who didn't like his so-called pro our policies. certainly a testament to his really big personality but towards the end he was facing a conviction for corruption and there are other issues of leadership that were being questioned do you think that will cast a shadow on his legacy. i don't think so you know like belongs to. politicians generation where. money for the party or for their leader was the boundaries were not

always that clear particularly during the years when he was the mayor of paris he had the wrong that was probably the longest period in his political career was when he was mayor of paris paris is a big city with a huge budget and he was using paris as a springboard for his national and visions and so money was. really flowing in different ways and not always very carefully he was condemned for that and. who was his chief of staff in the paris been a simple council was also condemn and so there is this power few more corruption in during that period but i don't think that's what people will remember now people will remember both the kind of father figure in the country and some of his foreign policy initiatives like refusing to join the u.s.

in the iraq war in 2003 which i think people have been very thankful for for a long time and particularly when we saw what happened in the u.k. with tony blair accepting to join the u.s. thank you very much pierre haski great to get your thoughts thank you. british prime minister boris johnson is facing backlash against a language he used about opponents to plan parliament is meeting for the 2nd day after it was called back from suspension on tuesday the supreme court ruled the probation unlawful meanwhile the lead negotiator michael michael barney says the block is still waiting for new plans from the u.k. johnson spokesman says sprigs it minister stephen barclay will go to brussels on friday for talks for more on the fallout scenes in parliament on wednesday we cannot cross to westminster with sonia. a little if anything has changed at this moment apart from the scenes in the house of commons this morning already some

tones that were considering exactly some of the language that was used and the anger that we see many senior members of parliament seem to have seen anything like it in their careers as well certainly something that was underlined by the speaker of the house john. eve tones members of parliament members of johnson's own own cabinet were reflecting on this this morning with a sort of cry out for more mild language to be used from certain from one of his supporters jacob who is a very avid bricks with all of this going on in the background there are 2. versions of business occurring there one of them is on the toxicity of the political culture in parliament that's been put in by labor m.p. jess phillips and also a 2nd one on the issue of democracy. in britain to be discussed later on

in the day also another thing that's going to be considered as well is where the conservative party whether the government will be able to be able to approve a number. but few days off from parliament so they can have their own tory conference later on in the month whether that will be approved by the rest of parliament is yet to be seen of course not many people perhaps in parliament willing to support or pass anything from boris johnson given his conduct on choose day evening. the interim government is building the 1st mass detention center for people in the northeastern states. who are deemed to be illegal immigrants nearly $2000000.00 people and many of the muslim were left off the government's national registry of citizens which was published last month or that. has this report. it's a detention camp in the making aimed at housing some of the 1900000 people considered

illegal immigrants in india about 450 laborers working on its construction since december. among them. who might very well end up living here once it's completed. very warded because my name didn't come up in the final list of the national registry of citizens my family is on the list i am not even if i submitted all the paperwork i don't know what will happen next i walk here during the day and think about my future at night. the new material detention center is in the state of assam in northeast india near the border with bangladesh is being built after an anti migration campaign targeted the big galley speaking residents of the state the government carried out a census of 33000000 people to determine who had the indian nationality by birth out of those nearly 2000000 hindus and muslims were not included in the national

registry of citizens they are considered foreigners even though hindus were publicly assured they'd be granted citizenship even if they weren't of indian origin that leaves the muslims out they have $120.00 days to appeal to foreigners tribunal critics say the campaign was ultimately aimed at muslims. he will face a lot of problems because members of the tribunal are known for not being impartial and there is favoritism in their promotion an appointment depends on the number of people they declare as foreigners i know this from past experience. mom has not been declared a foreigner yet but fears it's imminent she's also the only member of her family refused indian citizenship. i gave them all the documents but i'm scared now i want to stay with my husband and children approaching a court will require money and resources and we don't have any. it's

a problem facing men born in poverty and like members surviving on daily earnings now also facing a future of shattered families and detention if not exile for the family elders or . egyptian rights groups say security forces have arrested nearly 2000 people since antigovernment protests began last week amnesty international is calling on world leaders attending the un general assembly to confront egypt's president of the father of more protests are planned in egypt for friday. the serve south african armies been ordered to stay in a suburb of cape town plagued by gang violence for 6 months but people say the military reinforcements have done little to curb crime from either miller has more on the story. rival gangs that are a common occurrence on the cape flats we people say they're terrorized by gangs dealing drugs the video recorded by people living in

a block of flats the shots rang out and they ran over. this is wait 2 weeks ago 3 children and a 19 year old suspected gang members were shot and killed at point blank range in iran look at them from the elsie's river community policing forum shows us where gunman entered a shack killing almost everyone in it when they came in they shot the young girl teen years or. in the face. cutie an 18 year old girl you know and the 2 moms in with were shot at then. they rolled off the beat and one of them actually played the. elses river is plagued by violence much of it linked to gangs selling drugs their fight for control often escalates into gun battles leaving communities in the firing line the was no reason for them to kill the toolroom and it was clearly as

a message of change and this whole community but mostly to that this is what they capable government statistics say the number of murders on the cape flats of almost doubled to 90 this year that's despite the army being sent in the military says soldiers were sent to the cape flats to create a safe environment so police could do their job but people who live here say they only see soldiers on the streets a few times a week often for just a few hours at a time they say little has changed the army deployment was meant to last 3 months but it's been extended to next march soldiers patrolled the streets manned chick points and gather intelligence i think that the minister of police put the army and . as a political response. i don't think too much sought went into that process if you bring the army in. you you really tries the situation and you know this is

a good chance to roads. brazil is an example of that you you have like people on the police side and in the army so on when the army was sent in to support overstretched police last month police minister they lay said the deployment would be a temporary fix but even with the army there the police haven't been able to stop the killings and peace remains elusive to many living on the cape plans for me to al-jazeera cape town. they're watching out is there and these are main stories the u.s. intelligence cheap is due to testify before politicians about it was hopeful or a case that's led to calls for impeachment president on the trump has been criticized for asking as ukrainian counterpart to investigate his political rival joe biden. france is mourning the death of the former president jacques chirac his

son in law says the 86 year old died peacefully surrounded by his family the veteran politician was a long time mare of paris prime minister twice and president for 12 years natasha butler has more from paris. i think jacques chirac is probably a politician that people remember because so many people know him generations of people really young and old because his career lost it so long spanning decades you saw their twice president twice prime minister the mayor of paris a major job of course and he was in that so a position for 18 years as well as serving as a minister various times and he is someone who has been in public life for so long . for executives holding our 1st community dialogue session carol kerry lamb will be meeting $150.00 citizens but outside the venue there been demonstrations accusing the chief executive of not meeting the demands of the protestors british

prime minister boris johnson is facing a backlash against a language he used about opponents to supplant parliament is meeting for a 2nd day after it was called back from suspension on tuesday the supreme court ruled the probation on lawful meanwhile the easly to go see michael barnett says the block is still waiting for new plans from the u.k. johnson spokesman says briggs that minister stephen barclay will go to brussels on friday for talks. egyptian rights groups say security forces have arrested close to 2000 people since anti-government protests began last week amnesty international is calling on world leaders attending the un general assembly to confront egypt's president. more protests are planned in egypt for this friday. well those are the headlines we'll have more news after inside story that's the next program.

an assault on human rights in indonesia proposed new laws provoke nationwide angry protesters say the legislation will weaken anti-corruption efforts as well as effect sex before marriage abortion and gay rights in the outraged stop the government's plans this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm. extra marital relations outlawed in indonesia and jail sentences for insulting the president there are some of the controversial

proposals causing an outcry in the world's largest muslim majority nation which are considered disastrous by rights groups thousands of students vented their anger coming under pressure president djoko we doto postpone the vote on changes to the draft criminal code but indonesians still fear it could be passed by parliament they're also angry over the passing of another law that weakens indonesia's anti-corruption organisation the protests have been dismissed by the indonesian government. with the delay based on the government policy to listen to the voice of the people the actual demonstrations conducted to reject the draw floor and no longer relevant and not important anymore. some of the issues covered by the proposed law include consensual sex outside marriage punishable by a year long prison sentence and then up to 6 months for unmarried couples who live together. all same sex relations effectively considered a crime prostitutes could face the threat of prosecution women could face 4 years in prison for having an abortion unless it's

a medical emergency or the result of rape punishment 2 for anyone convicted of insulting the president religion and state institutions the existing blasphemy law would be expanded and indonesians associating with marxist leninist ideology face a 10 year prison term. all right let's welcome our guest to the show in melbourne via skype greg barton he's an expert on terrorism a deacon university in washington d.c. calvin dark a former indonesian government campaign advisor and finally also in melbourne by skype is damien kingsbury a conflict resolution specialist welcome to you all damien let me start with you just how significant have these protests been well i think this is very significant because what they're showing is a popular backlash against very conservative changes proposed changes to engine asian legislation is showing that these these changes are not necessarily supported

by the people and it's a really reflecting a minority view was he needs an easier calvin there have been discussions on changing indonesia's criminal code since independence in the 1940 so why is all this happening now. well i think part of it is there is a growing. level of conservatism at least you know religious or moral conservatism within the government but also i think that part of the reason for the protest is that in addition to the reforms that have kind of gotten newsworthiness because of you know the bans of sex outside marriage and other things like abortion it takes away a little bit from some of the other reforms like taking away some of the autonomy of the corruption agency and i think that's kind of a double edged sword because on the one hand it isn't good that this is been reduced to these very what many would consider obscure morality laws here in the

west but it also is good because i don't know if we will be talking about what i think is probably more important the corruption bodies stripping about tommy if it wasn't for those more sensational things greg president we doto has ordered a delay and lawmakers have been meeting trying to figure out how to proceed what do you think happens next at this point. well the best outcome and that's by no means certain is that this bill doesn't get past its current form with the current parliament but roll it waits for the new power which is sort of the end of next month there are $628.00 out of calls in this new criminal code most of them are innocuous or very positive there's about 20 that are problematic and the hope is that those 20 will be stripped out there's no reason for them to be there they burden the code they make it objectionable the necessary reforms that come with the new code can go ahead. without any reference to these objectionable articles so

that would be the sensible choice but it depends upon the president we go those political maneuvering because as president he doesn't end up pollute how it depends on the parliament and it's a hybrid system no one really knows how this is the result so he's going to have to negotiate hard and be very wise to get that outcome but clearly that's what the will of the people want they don't want these draconian laws they mean you heard greg there talk about the possibility that maybe this doesn't pass this session of parliament maybe another version of these laws passed in the next parliament what do you think how possible is that that this won't happen now and perhaps will be taken up in the next parliamentary session. well i think i should start by saying i graze that the watering down of the and the corruption commission is probably the most important and most problematic part of this legislation the morality legislation is troubling because it does indicate a growing conservatism a populist conservatism within and in asia but they were going to abandon

corruption commission i think is really quite troubling because it does indicate that indonesia is stepping away from significant reforms in that area over the past 2 decades its chances of passing now i think are up in the certainly president has indicated that he's not supportive of all of the amendments in the bill but his power as greg has noted is quite limited and he doesn't have much popular support in the legislature so we need to keep in mind that whilst he can refuse to sign this into law he can also come under very significant pressure and and saw himself in a serial could position if he doesn't go along with what the legislature ultimately decides this is really quite unclear at this stage i think it will come back to the legislature in the be a reconsideration of the number of aspects of these proposals but whether the musts comes contentious parts goes through an auction such as the watering down of the

anti corruption commission legislation that really is still up in the air calvin i saw you nodding so i want to give you a chance to respond but i also want to ask you so many of the bill's opponents say that it expands conservative islamic influence in the world's most populous muslim majority country but this is a country that also has substantial christian hindu and buddhist minorities what do you think. well i think that that 2nd point is key because. as you mentioned some of those measures do raise serious human rights concerns for those religious and ethnic minorities but one other thing too that i was thinking about is you know as far as the morality laws are concerned you have a lot of the supporters who when asked how this would affect tourism or how would this affect how indonesia's looked at you know outside they've been very quick to say that the way the laws are written this wouldn't really affect tourism tourist but you have to remember that even if it wouldn't specifically target tourist that's going to discourage people from going and that's going to definitely hurt

indonesia's economy and i don't think that that's the best way to raise indonesia's profile in an international community so i think that's something to that the protesters are recognizing that not only do these new or these increased morality laws not reflect what everyone wants in indonesia but they don't want the world to have a misrepresentation of what the country is about and what it wants to be greg how valid is the argument by critics of the bill that parts of this proposed bill prove that a more hardline interpretation of islam is creeping into indonesian society. i think it's a very valid point the point to understand is that indonesian politics has dissolved into 2 coalitions it's now a bipolar system even though it's a very complex mysie multi-party system without any clear conviction politics the exceptions that conviction politics they need is 'd the islamist parties who are all in that coalition you know opposition around proposed to be an totally

unsuccessful contender for the presidency the parties supporting the president on paper at least should have no truck with these toxic articles but these are being snarky and because these islamist parties which represent less than one 5th of the parliament couldn't get support in public through elections for such laws 'd they have bundle them up with this new criminal code hoping they'll get through and they can pressure the president so it really requires some strength from the president and from them from his coalition partners in parliament because these are not laws that asians have voted for that if they project are the parties that push these ideas they don't reflect the thinking of most muslims in indonesia little non muslims and it's not just non muslims who are somehow it's likely lower middle class working class women who find the sheet laws used against them to blackmail to

intimidate to arrest so it's potentially very serious damien and islamic groups in indonesia they're saying that these proposed changes to the country's criminal code reflect the character and personality of the indonesian people and the nation are they accurate in saying that well let. it reflects the character a knight sure of some intonations we're going to keep in mind there's always been a very conservative bent amongst some in the nations going back decades islam islam has been a popular strain within the nation politics and society amongst some in the scenes for a long time it's never been in the majority as gregg's pointed out it's probably not more than 20 percent in the electoral but it's very influential and most in the nations will size them muslims even if they're not devout muslim and they're very unlikely to want to go against what they want to put them as muslim precepts out even though it's not something i would support will vote for it's not something

that many nominal muslims would necessarily object to in public because they don't want to be seen to be flashing islam if you like saw it in one sense and we've certainly seen this not where we're quite nominal all moderate muslims i mean 100 this is why of the lamas in the religious class who have portents and quite tricky county and missions and most touching a is done to jack to it simply because they don't want to be saying to be bad muslims in that sense. with populist conservatism you can introduce and when there's a history of this globally you can introduce quite unpleasant legislation which many people wouldn't necessarily support but if it's introduced in a particular way which poses posits as an alternative most people many people possibly most people would have creates next going to be the real test here i think as to whether there's legislation legislations feel they can get away with this and

where are they going to actually strengthen their political position by the showing this particular parts calvin you were speaking before about. the perception of indonesia that that if these laws were passed how how it would change people's thinking about into the indonesia whether they be tourists whether they be residents you know critics of the bill say that it violates freedom of speech they say that it discriminates against religious minorities including women and people so how concerned are different aspects of the government as to if this bill were passed in its current form what the rest of the world would be thinking about indonesia well i think that that's kind of a 2 part question when you mention how.