tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera October 10, 2019 1:00pm-2:01pm +03
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world leaders even showing the map last month at the u.n. general assembly perhaps russia is prepared to tolerate turkey taking a corridor of land along syria's northeast border while it and the assad forces continue the bombardment of it live in the northwest with the hope it will eventually lead to the kurds coming under the control of the syrian government james berets al-jazeera at the united nations. lots more to come here it out including rebel with the coals why the ugandan pop star turned opposition m.p. is once again prevented from performing. now this inspirational 97 year old nobel prize winner has helped shape our lives for the better.
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and i once again welcome to look at the international full cost as per usual the weather is lost if i didn't ride across a good potholes the middle east little bit of cloud that a spinning out of the black sea towards the caspian sea just around the coaxes you mine just catch the showerhead just around i mean the pushing of it into georgia as well as isa way as we go on through thursday because a lot of fine and sunny weather little bit of cloud into that east the side of the mediterranean but by ridge still getting up to 28 celsius over the next couple of days they contain is in iraq 41 celsius there for back that kuwait city with a top temperature of around $37.00 degrees mostly similar temperatures across the arabian peninsula just notice the possibility of want to see showers southern parts of iran just around the strait of hormuz elsewhere across the reason we're going to keep the dry weather and the sunshine the hot sunshine as we go on through the coming days meanwhile over say the fed is sunshine recently in sioux solemn africa
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but we've got some showers as well to speak of said because that eastern side of south africa over the hard ground 2nd but pace will see some wet weather coming in live down pulls there for johannesburg on thursday these will gradually make their way further north and east by friday. good weather sponsored by countdown and warnings. for you protesting about how does things in common. whether online life faced minstrelsy comes directly out of trent lott it's lately or if you join us on sat this is an attack on academic freedom and on our ability to do research and teach freely this is a dialogue myanmar's not making it very welcoming for people to come about everyone has a voice on the real 'd discussion and arguably truck of the solutions on al-jazeera .
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congress to take a look at the top stories here it out here this morning turkey says it's hit more than 180 targets as part of a major ground and air offensive in northeastern syria designed to clear the area of kurdish frightens a un security council meeting has been called for later on. people in northern syria have begun to flee to neighboring iraq the international committee of the red cross has warned that any escalation in the area could endanger thousands of people who've already been displaced. people have been killed after a gunman opened fire outside the synagogue in germany worship as well marking yom kippur war that's the holiest day in the jewish calendar a suspect is in police custody andrew simmons has been following developments from
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the city of. carmelita methodically this gun man planned to kill jews on their holiest day of worship yom kippur dressed like a soldier wearing a steel helmet a camera is attached to it the device transmitting live video to a gaming website behind the police cordon is a synagogue the killers target but his plan failed the synagogue had been packed with dozens of worshippers saved from attack because the kendra installs were locked the gunman had repeatedly opened fire on the doors he gave up and then shot randomly killing a woman passer by a covered body lying in the foreground here he went on to a nearby turkish kabob restaurant to kill again this man was inside. because in you know. i was standing at the entrance and saw an elderly woman passed by and behind her there was suddenly this man wearing
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a helmet and military style clothes he was holding a gun and wearing a baloch lover and then he tried to throw what looked like a hand grenade but it bounced off the door frame and exploded right in front of this elderly woman with a very loud bang and then he raised the gun and started shooting. german media quoting police sources say the gunmen then drove 17 kilometers to landsberg he shot an electrician there from a workshop he's been airlifted to hospital with serious injuries as police warned people to stay indoors they confirmed they directed one person and we all of them in a sense by thought we have at least 2 crime scenes one person died as the result of a shooting in the area of ludwig vocalist strasser and another one in the area of humboldt strasser we 1st received information that there was one term reason to suspect who was armed and have since been suggestions that they could have been more people involved but that's not confirmed at this point germany has tried to fight
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a resurgence of extremism in recent years including the fire. bombing of synagogues foreign minister heiko mosque to eat it hit says in the heart that a synagogue was shot at on the day of atonement we must all act against anti-semitism in our country are the german chancellor angela merkel joined a jewish vigil in berlin her spokesperson saying she expressed deep sympathy for the victims' families there is a mood of fear in this small german city just imagine what it was like for the congregation inside this synagogue as they saw a video feed from the security camera showing a man with a gun firing at the door smashing at the door for all of 10 minutes and now online a statement yet to be verified apparently from the suspect saying his objective was to kill as many anti whites as possible jews preferred andrew simmons out 0
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power in germany. protests in ecuador have clashed with security forces during a 7th day adventist government demonstrations thousands of mainly indigenous people marched on the streets of the capital overfield price hikes that have been introduced by president lenin motor know his administration has temporarily moved to the coastal city of kill from where a latin america editor now reports. on day 7 of nationwide demonstrations against governmental sturdy measures a nationwide strike paralyzed much of the country as mass protests continued especially in the ecuadorian capital was in quite a key but the president has set up a temporary seat of government a smaller but noisy group of demonstrators held peaceful barges of their own from riot police and soldiers trying to keep these anti-government demonstrators away from another group that's demonstrating the truth not here the president many in
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what it has actually left right wanted to yes. i mean we didn't mislead us to try to bullshit sentiment to the 1st time since the crisis this country has had and over a decade. preliminary talks with indigenous and trade union leaders are being mediated by the united nations and the catholic church but so far there's no sign of an agreement but if you don't think their mother the president is talking of dialogue but he stubbornly says i want repeal the measures what kind of dialogue is that. but the government is under increasing pressure to make concessions. he has to revoke the measures because the ability to govern ecuador is compromise he can't govern under these circumstances with the people out on the streets he has no more political capital some are asking for his resignation so his options are limited. opponents of the indigenous led strike. held
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a march of their own in saying they wanted peace. joined police on the streets to disperse anti-government protesters and in what is being interpreted as a show of support for the government the armed forces announced that any quote consequences of their actions would be the sole responsibility of those who they say are generating social unrest. human rights monitors from the united nations and the organization of american states have expressed concern over what they call excessive use of force against demonstrators and the media as the actual number of arrests surpasses 700 you see in human al-jazeera. brazil's environment minister says all oil that's washing up on the country's northern beaches is likely to have come from venezuela appeared on more than 100 brazilian beaches over the past few weeks but ricardo saleh is says
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a report from the state run oil company petrobras has confirmed the oil is not brazilian but is likely from its northern neighbor he described the spill as enormously difficult to contain more than $100.00 tons of oil is already being collected from the coastline. that taiwan's president has promised to defend the island sovereignty and labelled growing pressure from beijing as a threat to regional security side when made the comments during a national day speech and said china is using its one country 2 systems proposal to threaten the island beijing considers taiwan a rogue province and has never renounced the use of force to bring the island under its control. hundreds of students and teachers have been protesting in bangladesh's capital after the killing of an undergraduate who criticize the water sharing deal with india a brass body was found in a dormitory on sunday 4 days after he criticised the government on facebook student activists loyal to the reading party of being blamed for the deaths at least 11
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students have been arrested protests is now calling for political groups to be banned from campuses. the military forces made libya's u.n. recognize government say a war plane flown by forces loyal to the warlord for half the has been shot down near the coastal city of the broth or at least 2 fighters loyal to the u.n. recognize government for kill their menu to classes with her 1st forces mahmud up to one hit has more now from the capital tripoli the situation remains very tense in southern tripoli as clashes continue between forces loyal to the u.s. and recognized a government of national accord and forces loyal to the world have to in now this location is the government forces location in the vicinity of the old inactive international airport and they're now trying to spot after forces on the other age of the airport they say that they sometimes receive heavy fire from half their
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forces here and have those war planes and drones target the occasion they say also that civil civilian houses farms and also power plants have been damaged by the airstrikes fighters here say that they have fallen fighters fighting for the world khalifa haftar they say that there are most probably russian and african fighters we as a disease are cannot independently verify that but they say that now this battle does not seem to be in doing it anytime soon as both wanting factions are determined to continue fighting to museum presidential candidate bill curry has been freed from jail just 4 days before the runoff we have been behind bars since august accused of money laundering and tax evasion the media mogul came 2nd in the 1st round of the presidential election last month. well his party heart
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of tunisia won 38 seeds coming in 2nd place in that election they trailed the ennahda party which won 52 seats has more from tunis. so he's out of his car you can see you can see you can see him. over there. and this is exactly what he's trying to do now he wants to tell that in his ears that's his word before that political moment and that you want. to rally behind him to live there when i was talking to his own people over the last few days they would tell you that's against the political divides in tunisia this could potentially be the white candidate to unite in his ears and fix the problems that the country faces. but at the same time he faces the delicate task of convincing people to vote for him and i have to tell you that if that happens
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would be a huge political upset here it is yet. around a 1000000 people in the usa of california are without electricity after the largest utility companies shots of power to reduce the risk of wildfire the planned power outage by pacific gas and electric less schools business is am banks in the dark high winds and dry heat have raised the threat of power lines snapping there are concerns the electrical grid could solve another blaze that would rival the california camp fire of 2018 which killed at least 86 people and destroyed thousands of homes. the ugandan pop star turned opposition m.p. bobby wine is again being prevented from holding a concert he escaped on a motorbike from security forces had surrounded his home police say he didn't have permission for the show. the reports. politician bobby wine celebrate his escape from uganda security forces by riding
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through the streets of the capital kampala cheered on by supporters. one was due to hold an independent state considered a beach resort but hours before he was due to perform soldiers and police officers surrounded both his home and the venue multitudes of soldiers and policemen were deployed at one beach with a need even my home this very place was sealed by the police and the military big employed very many police officers many many more much more than you needed 4 hours ago on. probably why he became a member of parliament 3 years ago who is known for his politically charged songs calling for change in a country where you wear him a 70 has been president for more than 3 decades why are his activism has won him
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international sympathy but not from the canton. police has been dug. us has been blocking our shows i mean did they went ahead and block the show that was supposed to go on today deliberately to be remembered that this has been the 156 show that has been blocked by police. ugandan police say the concert wasn't approved because they didn't have the staff to provide security for the event got wind he was standing against the 70 in the 2021 presidential election says his opposition to the government will continue victoria gay to be al-jazeera for the u.s. democratic presidential hopeful joe biden has for the 1st time called for the impeachment of donald trump speaking at a rally in new hampshire mr biden says the president is abuse the power of office to help his own reelection democrats have launched an impeachment inquiry of a claims that donald trump illegally pressured
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a foreign leader to investigate joe biden and his son president trump is calling the move a witch hunt he's already convicted himself in the world in the american people don't chop is violated his oath of office betrayed this nation and committed impeachable acts. thanks if . only to preserve our constitution our democracy our basic integrity he should be impeached. now an american scientist who identified one of the key materials in rechargeable batteries has become the oldest and nobel laureate in history 97 year old john b. good enough discovered libyan cobalt outside as
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a useful material in 1979 he shares the prize with britain's m stanley whittingham who developed an early patient for the batteries and japan's a kirya she know whose work made them safer more efficient and less expensive. way that she. or i can say. i've ever. lobbied for or forward to this particular day but i'm very happy that there's a road. to this receive a recognition yes. tartarus take a look at the top stories here it is area turkey says it's hit more than $180.00 targets as part of a major ground and air offensive in northeastern syria which it says is designed to
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clear the area of kurdish led fighters the kurdish led syrian democratic forces say a prison holding eisel detainees has been struck by turkish troops and emerges a un security council meeting has been called for later on thursday or to eisele prison the suspected of being part of a group that beheaded hostages have now been moved out of syria and they're being held in american custody the pair are thought to be part of the group of british fighters known as the beatles a u.s. defense official confirmed to al-jazeera that to quote high value i saw individuals were removed from a jail run by the s.c.f. the defense official says the 2 prisoners are now in a secure location outside of syria and are being held in military custody. a manhunt is underway in eastern germany after at least one gunman killed 2 people and injured others near a synagogue this is video showing the moment the gunman opened fire on this in the
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gold in the city of color it's the holiest day of the jewish calendar yom kippur war 2 museum presidential candidate in the bill carter way has been freed from jail just 4 days before the runoff vote we had been behind bars since all the cities of money laundering and taps evasion the media mogul came 2nd in the 1st round of the presidential election last month his party part of tunisia won $38.00 seats coming in 2nd place in that election. now around a 1000000 people in the u.s. 8 of california are without electricity after the largest utility companies shut off power to reduce the risk of wildfire the planned power outage by pacific gas and electric less schools businesses and banks in the dark high winds and dry heat have raised the threat of power lines snapping and there are concerns electrical grid could start another blaze that would rival the california camp fire of 2080
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which killed at least 86 people write up today those are the latest headlines from here it is a i'll be back in about 30 minutes after the stream. thank . you. i have family ok and this is the street and i really could be a whistle blower's why do they risk it all we speak with author tom mahler whose new book answers that question and we want to hear from you you can tweet us at
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a.j. stream or leave a comment and i live chat and also be in the street. my name is catherine and i am there was a verb that was featured in the official secrets and you are in the street. from wall street to washington whistleblowers are speaking truth to power the most recent high profile cases sparked an impeachment inquiry into united states president donald trump's dealings with ukraine but what makes some people choose to speak out about wrongdoing while others remain silent joining us to discuss this in washington d.c. tom the author of crises of conscience a whistle blowing in an age of fort thomas drake a former intelligence analyst at the national security agency who blew the whistle on the agency's controversial surveillance program he lives in the u.s. but he's joining us from melbourne australia and in our studio and then back with
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can see is a corporate whistleblower who worked as a compliance officer at how the facts health systems in florida for 20 years you'll hear her story in just a moment however what it's good to have you here tall this book is not a small book let me just show it to people how big it is you spoke to so many whistleblowers as you were getting this entire book together how did you do that how did you sit down and put their stories together so that we get a really good sense of the only people we saw blow what happens to them. i began by looking at one corner of whistleblowing. corporate fraud and gradually as i talked with the people i began to get a sense of the sorts of people that do this in that area and then i began to realize that actually this is not just an island this is a continent of whistleblowing and i looked at other corporate whistleblowers and i look the government was the lowest then i looked at national security was lower
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than in each and every case the personal dynamics of their their decision to act and the group dynamics of the group around them the toxic group doing illegality that retaliated against them was very very similar so there became a kind of a whistleblower character that emerged from my work what is the whistle not a kite telling c.n.n. . someone willing to risk everything to do the right thing i think that's one of the things in the whistleblowers i have talked to the that's our common thread i think we're not willing to be silenced when we see something is wrong and that's what we hope everyone would want to do can you tell us the moment where you saw something wrong what you thought i have to do something about this so in my particular case i was a health care whistleblower and we had contracts with physicians that violated the stark law which is supposed to make sure physicians are admitting patients or doing clinical care for the right reasons and not for financial reasons so when
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our hospital i was director of physicians services and we violated the stark law and then realize that the hospital after telling them they were aware of it then they decided to pay anyway then i realize that you know i had to tell someone or i would be complicit to that fraud and just to be clear. so i do need to be done medical practices were done unnecessary they were being done for money yes so those were alleged allegations part of that case said old so it didn't go to court where you know so they're still considered alleged so that's what happens in settlements not everything gets litigated and become public which is part of the hard thing even though it settles for a lot of money you don't know if it's corrected by revenue or story reminds me of a video comment we got from someone else who talks about the reason that she had to
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do it this is sheila white a whistleblower for in an employment discrimination case and here's what she said to the stream. recent actual scipio. treatment in retaliation in the us for flights and i speak out of the why. i have to be. so tom that line i spoke out for people who couldn't speak out for themselves paraphrasing her there a little bit about something you see as a theme kind of a thread through the people that you've talked to over the course of this book absolutely she put in words exactly almost word for word but in what another whistleblower the whose case i looked into alan jones who blew the whistle both on johnson and johnson and made her promise out of companies and his own office the inspector general of pennsylvania for a serious multi-state 1000000000 dollar wrongdoing he said i must speak up for
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those who are silent i must speak out for the people who are victims who have no voice use exactly the same terminology that's a kind of person who thinks about society and everyone in society as equal members and equal members of the human race. back in $21518.00 plus a very special interactive there are videos of the interns all about thomas drake and what he did happens and i say have a look can my laptop i'm just watching the very beginning of it it's very traumatic how can i let go then i am going to press play it's fair to say that if there had been a time straight there could be. here we had a guy who did absolutely everything. he placed in the system he saw you know the warrantless wiretapping of hundreds of millions of americans. saw the corruption prostitute he brought it to congress and ran them protecting him and he actively retaliated against him. thomas that moment when you realize
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you had to do something what does that feel like as as an emotional something who's walking in an organization where the rule is gone horribly wrong. in my case you know my 1st image. or into my new duty station which was the number 3 person at n.s.a. the signals intelligence directorate i quickly found out my government was doing in secret you know under the cover of the failure to keep almost 3000 people out of harms way. and they did so under the blanket international security and you know what you say what does it feel like you don't wake up one morning and say i'm going to become a whistleblower but you're confronted by the stark reality of something gone terribly wrong. and it was simply the case i could not remain silent because a writer meant so i would have been complicit not only the wrongdoing but this case of violation of the constitution the 4th amendment and privacy rights of millions
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of people are the hardest what was the government up to and including the president but i knew that by doing so i was i was looking over a cliff and i have life was never going to be the same show and i have to say that i just played of course if anybody didn't recognize that person was edward snowden when the whole n.s.a. whistle blowing it literally blew up a you with that before he was that say you paved the way you can what you want to see next this week from our who says whistleblowers should always be given a right to undertake their activities appropriate laws should be in place to protect them and the information that they have obtained so someone else in our community wrote back this is media b.x. who says there is at least the united states the whistleblower protection act of 1989 that was an act it to protect federal employees but it doesn't seem so efficient whistleblowers feels lonely isolated and paranoid that they could be targeted in the streets by anyone seeking retribution thomas for you were you
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thinking of the legal protections you might have what was going through your mind the ramifications of what the law might offer you well. my eyes are wide open i was certainly not naive i had been serving the government in the past number of times and here i was the senior executive there were existing channels they call them. disclosure channels they will be protected against retaliation but there really expose are channels reporting on wrongdoing and violations of law committed by the highest levels of your own agency and in my case not just the agency but also the white house the president states the vice president you know the head of the national security agency they're not going to take too kindly to getting. having someone even as senior as i was having them be
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exposed and so they're going to retaliate the problem is that these laws although they say and i was under the intelligence community was our protection act also later with the department defense i g.'s act. it's supposed to protect you but there's not to protect you against retaliation and you are left extraordinarily exposed as the head so in my particular case my case is filed under the false claims act which also has a protection for retaliation and in my experience that's on paper because unless you're willing to file a lawsuit against the retaliation your work is going to tell you it's perceived any time you have a complaint so i don't think they work well at least not in my instance tell me that i could jump in just a little context but remember that thomas drake was a multi-decadal servant of our nation. and and someone who had
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proven his patriotism time and time again he came forward under the specific guarantee of anonymity he spoke out through channels that were carefully laid out legally protected in theory. but in practice of course it came it went from a whistleblower protection to a whistleblower trap and both of these people are people who simply cannot remain silent while this while this is happening they have a greater loyalty and a greater sense of duty then to their individual bosses or to their teams they have a higher calling if you will and that calling cannot be silenced and both of them have said to me at one time or another thomas to me at one time when i had to look myself in the mirror every day i had to do what i did ellen coles her choice of a choiceless choice i have to i had to be able to put my kids to bed at night and i couldn't if i had not spoken up so essentially these are people with a with
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a conscience an individual conscience that forces them to act and thank god that they exist tom he you mentioned something interesting that i want to pick up on you said the anonymity and there are people in our community that are talking about the named whistleblowers versus the unnamed so on you tube someone writing in live he says the real whistleblowers are the ones you never hear about so that's one person's view another person writing to us on twitter also picking up on that point as if you blow a whistle on me i have every right to see you tom what's your take on that view an anonymous whistleblowing versus named whistleblowing. well 1st of all many legal regimes many laws guarantee anonymity so that last statement is nonsense. with this is simply not true the ideal world scenario is for a whistleblower not to be named because when they come forward and loser loser
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anonymity that is quite often a career suicide we're looking at 2 people highly qualified extremely ethical extremely able and will never work again in their chosen fields and that is 99 percent of the cases that i've looked at in my book 99 percent at least never work again this is a big problem so i'm an image is not only an important. principle under the law but it's also a guarantee of a future well being for these people as edward snowden himself said we should not expect people to commit career suicide in order to come forward will run out of of people who will do the right thing thomas guy has a lot of thought about how the nimitz. well remember i'm only public because the government and i did me under the espionage act that's the only reason i became you know sir i was certainly retaliate against within the system but. i you know i was anonymous in terms of what is
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on paper but there is no protection against retaliation there's no access to the courts. in my case especially as an intelligence community. former elite. it's a very secret space and so although i was anonymous because of what i was blowing the whistle on which was at the highest levels of the government they were going to do everything they could to punish me and in my case i knew because i knew i was very familiar with the daniel ellsberg from the pentagon papers history that i could face not just a loss of my job i could face a lot worse and i did ultimately go to the press with unclassified information regarding what i knew in the public interest. but the idea that you know whistleblower coming forward. whoever whoever is a member it was a result believed you have to remember the standard is
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a reason to believe that you actually have seen a wrong doing or a violation of the law and you're coming forward to disclose that doesn't mean you are an eyewitness i was an eyewitness but i also had others who remain anonymous to this day and i will continue to protect for the rest of my life that i also share critical information maybe regarding what was going on so i reported all of that right but it's really important no i don't it's not like there's no court you go to right then you know the in essence the accuser right that's i get to face my cues or you're hearing that right now from president trump he wants to he wants to flush out the whistleblower i mean the most dangerous thing that can happen is when the whistle. actually exposed by name and the reason is that they want the focus to be on the messenger and they want to avoid having to deal with the message so now you kill 'd the messenger you attack the message or you would take out the messenger and you don't have to deal with the actual whistleblowing itself you only focus on
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the little blower i never wanted to be public i never wanted to have my name sprayed across the front pages of multiple newspapers and magazines and be in the style section and have profiles made of me i mean it's extraordinary i mean going from a private citizen who is doing their job providing for the common defense silently but behind secret walls doing my job and then finding myself and being fully exposed it's never a wife was never and never the same again i was a silver lining yes i get to come on shows like yours and talk about all this but that's you know that whistleblowers 'd it's a love hate relationship in terms of the history and i think tom's book really goes into great detail about it it's not just the price you pay but a lot of the critical changes critical events and history across multiple sectors in society the changes that are made for the good safety well being keeping
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government accountable was because of the risk that was aboard so knowing that their allies tell me very well not be the same thomas i hear not who you repeat that your life will never be the same they can you talk about the tally ocean and i want you to give us some fairly descriptive ideas of what happened to your intent with retaliation because it was solemn and it often seems that the whistleblower is the past and that's pointing to the demon in this bad guy or the bad woman you're trying to help. what happened to you it was the retaliation so in my particular case under the false claims act the seal was lifted in one year so i filed under seal where no one knew that it was me and i hope that when the seal was left that the case would be close to over there if i may and you can correct me if i'm legally wrong it means that investigations can happen no one knows yet is it you or the organization you work for they don't know that an investigation is happening except that it can proceed and then suddenly you've got all that evidence and then
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you can yes tend to pick only the cases i had looked at under the false claims the whistleblower got to stay anonymous till the end of the case right not for my case unsealed in one ear and i worked there for 4 and a half years after that when everyone knew it wasn't me what happened i went from 0 to yes i went from perfect evaluation to see row score some leadership the worst part that happened to me was that even my friends were retaliated against and told that they couldn't even go to lunch with me and that that is harder than any personal retaliation because you have protection in the end or since your friends have no protection and when the case was over some of them lost their jobs and of course they weren't fired their jobs were just changed their job description changed to where they no longer you know qualified for the job that had for 20 years or something like that so retaliation is brutal and yet you won your case you
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feel that people often look at you and say well there's a success story yes and they call it a success story because there is a settlement and you get a reward however what people don't realize is that very few cases the whistleblower and supped with a financial reward and in my particular case it's considered successful because i did however i believe less than 20 percent of these false claims act cases the whistleblower with anything at all so you risk your job knowing that you may not get. anything i'm just going to share a very important point to the numbers of people who actually succeed through the many many cases that i looked at in various different industries who actually get any sort of a payout at all are extremely low and let's remember this is this is not some sort of a bounty this is essentially a payment for your lost career and you will never work again so to call it a bounty and to to make it look like this person is trying to win the lottery or
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game the system is actually very wrong headed but i think what something that thomas said earlier is very a propos to our current situation when we start personalizing whistleblowers when we start saying who are they and what is their background with their history what's their favorite color we know we disconnect from the fact that they bring forward do they have good facts are not in the current case with president trump and ukraine whistleblower blowers because as a body this is a community of whistleblowers coming forward it reminded me very much of thomas' case where a group of loyal and long term multi-decadal servants in the n.s.a. and out came forward with a very specific complaint and the the the channels that they followed where the legal channels did not serve them well and i'm wondering how he thinks does he feel or this is a replay of history when he watches the u.k. in great whistleblowers well no i've had many flashbacks as
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a result of this and you know i suffer from partisanship in the politics 'd. it was the blowers are like back in the news again and this is a good whistleblower i'm sorry i think simply because there's the extraordinary conduct and behavior of the president office who is now clearly obstructing justice and is just projecting left and right each and every day and through you know the social media and twitter accounts in particular yes i mean i certainly can identify what the risks are especially when you're taking on the president in states like i did i mean you don't do that without some kind of retribution you don't do that. knowing that there is some right kind of reprisal i mean there are that particular whistleblower now we have others that are apparently have come forward. they're out there not only as their career risks there have been direct threats issued. it's
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the 1st one i myself i mean i don't talk about it publicly i mean i realize i'm here. but i myself had threats that were issued i had you know i had the government was 'd making all kinds of they all. failed comments right to and you can follow or thomas can pull him out i don't want to i want to take a hit with miss spending the whole show talking about this so i know you're prepared for this what kind of veiled threat to spitefully focus on this at the end of the show did you get from the government what they say team to stagnated. well in my case the retaliation was you know i end up losing my job even though i was really caught a lot earlier best i got to the point where i had no prior knowledge no programs i had no people. and i just had an office and a computer there is you know the handwriting was on the wall. the rights actually came later because of what the government and i'm doing member i was part of
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a criminal leak investigation and so you have the department of justice is on your back at the highest levels i thought about it or you could be an insider but that's what it became what was i was now an insider and i have to be removed and i think hearing about those threats is so important because you're not alone in that i want to play a video comment from someone else this is jane turner she is the f.b.i. whistle blower and also a 25 year veteran a special agent with the f.b.i. here's the aftermath of her case my name is jane turner and i am an f.b.i. whistleblower my 20 year legal battle with the f.b.i. has resulted in financial ruin pain for my family and loss of a career although adjudicated a whistleblower 4 years ago by the department of justice the f.b.i. has refused to honor the judgment it has been a devastating journey for someone with a moral compass and integrity. tom that must echo other things that you heard from
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others in the end what did they tell you about those repercussions. absolutely you know the range of retaliation is so visceral so that the emotions that are that come out are so charge that we're clearly dealing with deep almost tribal emotions so i mean that the ritual humiliation in front of others the stripping of security clearances clearances you have security guards marching people out of the door 'd or threats against their lives in some cases and certain people following them surveillance at the end of the day though these people and i'm honored to be on the show with 2 of my heroes and the other people that are out about they didn't have a choice they fundamentally when push came to shove and everyone else looked the other way they said no i must do this and i am thankful to them and to their colleagues tom is the author of crisis of conscience which supplying him at just 48
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is coming available in all good books shops and of course online thank you tom thomas and ellen for joining us today many college here is well and while the rest of us become complicit in our silence he writes whistleblowers are the heroic citizens and the models we must be late thank you for watching everybody and look and i will see you on line next time. thank. you.
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a heavy price for popularity people in power asks what are the true economic and environmental costs of europe's tourism on 0. 000 we really don't believe in the 2 state solution the do you still believe in the 2 state solution we listen to what i just said it was that pakistan would never start a war i'm anti war we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter on the edges their own. turf his ground offensive against kurdish forces in syria is underway as jets and artillery target positions families grabbed what they can as they make their escape is expected tens of thousands more who do the say.
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hello i'm dennis here with al-jazeera live from doha also coming up protesters in ecuador fight police as they try to enforce a national strike over a massive hike in fuel prices. 3 people have been killed in germany in what's now being treated as an anti semitic attack. marking national day taiwan's leader rejects a one country 2 systems formula with beijing warning that set hong kong on the edge of disorder. but 1st turkey has launched a ground offensive in northeast in syria hours after its warplanes and artillery have begun hitting territory held by kurdish led fights and to his military operation is designed to clear its border of kurdish fighters and the army says
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it's hit more than $180.00 targets child staff it is our correspondent in iraq and he sent us this report. turkish forces in the syrian rebel allies attacked kurdish positions in the eighty's and syria pounding them with strikes and artillery barrages in a cross border military operation just days after u.s. troops pulled back from the area. world leaders have described the offensive as dangerous and reckless and warn it will strengthen regional stability the turkish vice president sees it differently. this operation will be a source of peace and will bring peace and will sort out the syrian crisis in a radical way this operation led by president resupply of burdwan as one of the steps and one of the procedures among other steps taken by president to one for the
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sake of syria and for keeping the unity of syria and. turkey's president receive type says the aim of the offensive is to eliminate what he calls a terror a corridor all along turkey's southern border. he also wants to establish a safe zone in site territory currently held by the kurdish late syrian democratic forces where 2000000 refugees currently hosted in turkey can be settled. the s.d.f. says the offensive has caused widespread panic evacuations that will trigger a new humanitarian crisis and i know the bad i think we saw 2 tanks in front of our village so we left fearing that out children might get hurt following the shelling of the village most residents have left but some young men have stayed. the kurds have been key players in the fight against eisel in syria the s.d.f. of appeal to the united states and its allies to establish a no fly zone to protect it from turkey should tax that's not done at the pm and
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cannot out in a gym identified that on 1 the. united for the mass to me to die i should say it is trying to lengthen the life of these groups we do not agree to any attacks by taki and by supporting them and the world needs to be behind the attack on the northeast of syria the turkish government describes the main fighting fulls of the s.d.f. as a terrorist organization leaked to the outlawed kurdistan workers' party the p.k. k. which is fault against the turkish government for decades. early on sees this military operation as a chance to weaken an old enemy but the international community is worried about the prospects of more suffering for the people of syria as well as the security implications of this move. turkey has so far off wouldn't go clear planning about how to deal with thousands of jailed eisel fighters the syrian side of the border. the turkish defense ministry says
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a ground incursion into syria has begun and there are rising fears for the hundreds of thousands of civilians living close to the border many of whom fled to s.d.f. controlled territory to safety in a country that has already suffered you. years of war charles travel al-jazeera on the turkish syrian border but when go live now to another via correspondents who's there in actual calais on the border between syria and turkey in a harder and saner here we're talking about the 2nd largest military force in nato up against the s.t.s. is not really a matter of equals what sort of firepower is turkey using against this force. well when turkey announced the operation late on wednesday they began by targeting 4 y p g positions because according to turkey the s t f is simply a cover for the wipe e.g.
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a group it considers a terrorist organization so they targeted a number of their positions all along the border really to soften up as they planned to make their advance on the ground they also targeted a number of positions with artillery not just border areas but further south slike . commish really really the whole area where turkey considers its a safe zone to be a 30 kilometer depp's from where we are standing now so turkey using firepower but what we understand is that the turkish army and their local allies the syrian opposition national army they are facing opposition on the ground resistance. if it is fighting back in ras the line that is a border town approximately 100 kilometers from where we are standing so far this ground push is focusing really on the territory between russell lane and tell of the 100 kilometer stretch of territory so this is going to take time and in the
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interim like you mentioned the firepower civilians are are fleeing their homes they're heading further south they fear for their safety according to the us the f. there have been casualties among civilians it's very difficult for us to independently confirm what is happening in the battlefield because we do not have access but the turkish army and the turkish government has repeatedly said that this operation is aimed at targeting the militants and its words the militants and not the civilians and that the bombardment will avoid civilians and civilian infrastructure. with getting a clear it's only day 2 that we're getting a clearer idea of the extent and the depth and the brits of this operation clearly this is going to take some time as you've already pointed out in the day to a new were already hearing of people on the move so this is not looking terribly good for the region's civilian population. you know
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as charles mentioned these are people who have suffered for the past 89 years and this is what the international community is worried about further displacement further human suffering now for the turkish government this operation has 2 aims at security to rid the y.p. chief from the border area and eventually dismantle the group because this is what turkey wants they consider this group a threat to its national security but another concern it will be addressed according to the turkish government and if that refugee returns turkey wants millions of refugees to go back to syria they want to settle those refugees in this safe zone because there is no other place for these people to go but already it is facing opposition from the international community the european union making it very clear to turkey yesterday that they're not onboard with this plan that they will not be providing the necessary funds because it doesn't live up to the international criteria on refugee returns refugee returns need to be voluntary they need to be safe they need to be dignified and people need to return to their places
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of origin which really is quite difficult especially since millions of people cannot return to government controlled territory in syria so turkey has been trying to rally international support for this operation so far it has failed to do that indeed you're absolutely right center because later on today says they were expecting the u.n. security council meeting on this very issue called for by the european members of the council and their specific interests of course is also the possibility of allowing a resurgence of eisel and we learn now that the u.s. may have taken what they call some high value prisons out of the mix and put them into the secure u.s. custody how does turkey feel about the possibility of all of these isis fighters and their families who are now likely to be roaming free if the s.e.'s is otherwise occupied. well yes at least 10000
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i saw prisoners and their family members are under the control really or in captivity in the run prisons and as the f. really has been using this card that this is going to become a 2nd priority if you launch an attack against us we're going to have to defend our territory and there could be jail breaks and these people could be set free but turkey has been making it very very clear that it can handle this problem that it has thought i saw in the past that this is not the 1st turkish military operation into northern syria in the past it did fight eisel in the northern aleppo countryside so turkey putting on a brave face saying that it can handle this problem but at the same time the president of turkey is saying that he is talking to european countries about the possibility of returning these fighters to their countries of origin but like you mentioned the using this really as a card to scare the international community to try to stop this operation but in
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fact there is a fear a real fear that i so could revive itself because it's sleeper cells are still active behind enemy lines they're not just threatening as the areas we have to remember almost i wouldn't say on a daily basis but quite often i so has been targeting the regime forces in the vast desert in central syria so they are still active in syria all right thank you very much indeed for that then to hold a correspondent who's there on the turkey syria. chuckle a well now let's get the view of this operation from washington d.c. here's our correspondent there. the u.s. president donald trump has been criticized over the past few days because of the accusations that he essentially gave the turkish government permission to go ahead and attack the kurdish forces in northeastern syria it's something which trump has denied on wednesday he even underscored that point by saying that there would be
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representations if overplayed its hand in trying to deal with what the president has called a real terrorist threat in northeastern syria i will wipe out his economy of that happens i've already done it once with pastor brunson. i'm sure that he i hope that he will act rationally you do have to understand that that fighting each other for many many decades actually for centuries they've been fighting each other meanwhile republicans and democrats on capitol hill are criticizing the trumpet ministration for abandoning what they say is a group of fighters that were instrumental in the global effort to dismantle eisel in both syria and in iraq these politicians are now looking at passing legislation that one would punish members of the turkish government if they overplay their hand during this military operation and some of those.
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