consideration in all of this knowing that it's veto proof in the u.s. senate where the us president stood on that legislation he wouldn't have the opportunity to veto it but now it sounds as if he is in support of pressuring turkey very economically particularly if there are agree just human rights violations that take place in the course of this military operation who of course can believe the president can speak to turkey in that way but he can't speak to his own party members in the same way because they as you say have been coming down on him like a ton of bricks i mean what's the situation like so far with the criticism he's received from his own people. yeah there's a real feeling within the republican party that. the kurds have been fighting alongside the united states been considered a reliable ally for more than 5 years and the united states has a broccoli turned its back on a very reliable and loyal ally but getting traction is also within the republican

party the reminder that there is a segment of the republican party known as the neo conservatives that are constantly drumming and thumping the drums for war namely senator lindsey graham republican lives cheney who is father with vice president dick cheney of course very instrumental in the architect many would argue for that $22003.00 u.s. invasion of iraq those in the united states that support the military industrial complex as a means of continuing war in order to create jobs except so there is a little bit of increasing support i would say there's still a feeling that the united states has done this announcement has been very impulsive and has been very disloyal to say the least but there is also a bit more traction for that argument that the u.s. president is making when he tries to make this pledge his 2016 campaign promise that the u.s. does not need to be in a conflict that is not only expensive but perhaps they shouldn't have been there in

the 1st place complete thanks for the update of course will follow events from washington through the day thank you well the military offensive has raised concerns of a new humanitarian crisis the red cross and the un refugee agency well that 300000 people could be displaced as a result of the fighting syria remains the worst refugee crisis in the world with nearly 10000000 people displaced in 8 years of cold flicked turkey hosts the largest number of those who've been displaced more than 3 and a whole 1000000. for brits only call bony is the visual director for the mirror middle east at the international committee of the red cross there he says it's hard to predict the humanitarian consequences you have cams with many civilians we mentioned often the case of i'll cab where you have all the civilian population and a population who moved from the last territory controlled by the islamic state group these can be composed mainly of children to 3rd act children 68000 people

30 it means 40000 children are in this camp in the middle of nowhere it's a desert it's close to now a frontline totally dependent on you might say an aid for health for water for shelter so any disruption in the humanitarian action in northeast syria might have massive consequences i believe that the concept of save zone is not understood are presented as you might and concept i believe that the save zone is understood as a military safe zones or are we not going to comment on the on the concept which is not a humanitarian one now the return of the syrians to their place of origin we always obviously welcome this if it's a voluntary return anything it's a sustainable return if it's a return to safety and dignity i cannot predict whether it is return will take

place in such a condition but that's really your court we have to follow any party to any part to any country who wants to help the return of syrians yes but with dignity and safety and sustainable will still have him as a. by obstructing justice refusing to comply with the inquiry he's already convicted himself. vice president joe biden calls for donald trump's impeachment saying the u.s. president has betrayed the nation. hallow this season wasn't wet everywhere in the southeast corner i mean you could call it dry to want to places the lack of rains be significant so to see

a forecast of shout building again and drifting east which is probably good news for some hong kong might get a shot you see there pretty well dotted around but it's still pretty warm so still plenty of more shit to come out of the $31.00 in hong kong and humid one of the still $26.00 in shanghai the green of course is the rain potential now the monsoon rain is now showing definite signs of going south as nothing in the satellite picture over a good part of northern india or nepal pakistan which is what you might expect there is rain still in map maharastra up in addition west bangor and is going down to was under pressure as well more or less where it should be there is still heavy in places the next day or so and is running as fast as our busy sri lanka we don't see much in the way of rain except in the mountains of western yemen in the satellite picture or in the forecast of this part middle east but there is cloud building by day and still fairly humorous that he 7 doha is accompanied by morning and evening humidity otherwise of course it's a dry picture as it is further north as well although in the caucasus weather has

changed. what are you protesting about how does this in question whether on line well i face many people saying i'm directly out of trance like it's slavery or if you join us on sand this is an attack on academic freedom and on our ability to do research and teach freely this is a dialogue myanmar is not making it very welcoming for people to come back everyone has a voice climate change is real the discussion is real and i'm here to talk about the solutions on al-jazeera.

your geologist are with me so whole rob a reminder of our top news stories turkish forces have intensified their military offensive in northern syria for a 2nd day there have been a strikes and artillery fire along a broad front turkish forces of crossed into syria through at least 3 and 3 points the turkish president has been defending his country's military offensive in northeastern syria he says the operation will target strictly what he describes as terrorist groups. meanwhile kurdish forces say they've repelled turkish ground at times but also warning of a humanitarian crisis as thousands of residents begin to flee the area. ukraine's president says that he's willing to cooperate with a with the u.s. on an investigation into interference in the 2016 presidential election but his comments come as joe biden became the latest democratic presidential candidate to

call for donald trump's impeachment speaking at a rally in new hampshire he said trump has abused the powers of his office to help is though reelection democrats have launched an impeachment inquiry over claims that trump pressured ukraine's of law to me as a linsky to investigate biden and his sons alan fisher has more on how the impeachment inquiry is affecting polls in the us. well we know there are more subpoenas coming many expected to be delivered early next week and we nor that donald trump's former adviser on russia is also going to give evidence to a number of house committees in the coming days no this new poor that has come out says that there is a majority of americans who believe that donald trump should be impeached and removed from office the surprising thing is that it comes from fox news donald trump's channel of choice no been digging a bit deeper into some of the results from that paul what we find is that 43 percent believe that the call that donald trump had with the ukrainian president 43

percent of people think that that call was impeachable 66 percent of people believe that it's not appropriate what is interesting is that 16 conservative and republican attorneys some of whom who served in previous administrations have issued a letter saying that donald trump's call to the ukrainian president breached his or the office and they are calling for a quick impeachment inquiry just one of those people was dawn era's who was a former deputy attorney general under president george h.w. bush and he writes i am disgusted by the conduct of republican senators who pause as reputable people but shamelessly hide under rocks instead of calling out president's horrendous behavior as the gross misconduct that they knew it to be no one of the people who signed that letter is a man by the name of george conway and if you don't live in washington and don't follow american politics regularly you might not recognize that name but he is

married to kellyanne conway who of course is one of donald trump's closest advisors . apple has removed an app used by a protest as in hong kong to track police movements it's no longer available at apple's online store following condemnation from chinese government apple says the app was used in ways that endangered people and law enforcement in hong kong china's government has also succeeded in getting apple to remove the taiwan flag in moji for users in hong kong and macau 2 major league u.s. basketball teams are playing in shanghai despite a t.v. blackout by chinese forecasters china is still furious about a tweet by n.b.a. team manager dowel moray in which he supported protests in hong kong rob matheson has the latest from shanghai. this is a reach in shanghai is the venue for the l.a. lakers against the brooklyn nets the brooklyn nets are owned by

a chinese billionaire this is a big match for china not least because it's an n.b.a. pre-season game but it's not being televised this area that you can see to the right of me here is empty it usually is packed full of stalls selling merchandise but there's nothing there there have been no press conferences there have been no public meetings with the teams in fact there's been nothing what there is tonight are a lot of chinese basketball fans who are very angry very angry about a 7 word tweet that was put out a few days ago by the general manager of the houston rockets since supports all of the protests in hong kong. mari is a troublemaker he causes huge trouble i hope he will apologize for this this is a little overwrought it be a hammer he stupid to make that comment that has hurt the feelings of chinese fans and the reputation of n.b.a. themselves the fallout here in china from that tweet has been significant very

large chinese firms have been severing their links with the n.b.a. adam silver who's the commissioner of the n.b.a. is in shanghai tonight to watch this match earlier on in the week he said that he supported daryl morey's right to freedom of speech while he's in shanghai is going to have a problem on his hands he has to try to salvage at least some of those deals with chinese firms that are worth billions of dollars. let's head to the americas now where the latest reports from ecuador say at least 4 people have been killed in the latest anti-government protests the week long anger at a doubling of petrol prices shows no sign of easing president lennon has imposed a state of emergency and move the government from the capital quito to the coastal city of kiel are latin america editor lucien human is there. on day 7 of nationwide demonstrations against governmental sturdy measures

a nationwide strike paralyzed much of the country as mass protests continued especially in the ecuadorian capital was in quite a key but the president has set up a temporary seat of government a smaller but noisy group of demonstrators peaceful barges of their own run riot police and soldiers trying to keep these anti-government demonstrators away from another group that's demonstrating the fruit here the president many in what it has actually left the right one to they have been. leaving we didn't misleaders to try to go to the settlement the 1st time since the crisis this country has had and over a decade. preliminary talks with indigenous and trade union leaders are being mediated by the united nations and the catholic church but so far there's no sign of an agreement. the president is talking of dialogue but he stubbornly says i

won't repeal the measure what kind of dialogue is that. that the government is under increasing pressure to make concessions. he has to revoke the measures because the ability to govern ecuador is compromise he can't govern under these circumstances with the people out on the streets he has no more political capital some are asking for his resignation so his options are limited. opponents of the indigenous led strike held a march of their own in saying they wanted peace. joined police on the streets to disperse anti-government protesters and in what is being interpreted as a show of support for the government the armed forces announced that any quote consequences of their actions would be the sole responsibility of those who they say are generating social unrest. human rights monitors from the united nations and the organization of american states have expressed concern over what they call

excessive use of force against demonstrators and the media as the actual number of arrests surpasses 700 you see in human al-jazeera. now 30 year old dispute over scarce water supplies in central asia looks to be a step closer to being resolved a land swap deals have been agreed to by it was backus turn to jiko stand and kurdistan for the for ghana valley harder up to her need has the story. i. think it's cotton picking season here on the edge of the figure in a valley the crop is good this year but it's not what it used to be and it's not because water is scarce here in kyrgyzstan but because in some parts it's become out of reach because of a disputed border. the furthermore. by him will say every members how he used to spend time at the foot of these mountains with them with a move with them we used to swim in the lake there we practically grew up there we

played all day and celebrated all the holidays the whole village would get together to celebrate that's how it was now they have to put in a border. now demand and the reason why the villages of kalki down relied on are in those big east at the plot of land around the character then reservoir was exchanged for another parcel of land for do away of exactly the same size the characters government says it's irrigated flat land which a country lacks this what is part of an agreement between the 2 sides over a border demarkation still not finalised since kyrgyzstan and is biggest and gained independence after the fall of the soviet union it runs for more than 1300 kilometers and it's dotted with land claimed by both sides this is disputed territory it's all the sources neutral sources mostly water sources close in the territories we have a dams we had we have the lakes and we have

a sea we have a lakes and we have a canales which is extremely important for all these neighboring countries and this is also disputed territories over the energy sources different than a valley is the agricultural heartland of central asia divided among whose biggest stand and southwest the g q stem the irony is that kyrgyzstan and upstream water rich country will lies on its neighbor for water in some parts of the figure never the 2 countries are linked by a soviet era canal network. so the water flows 1st to the k.k. down reservoir now on spec land and then back into. something that baffles didn't say if so it's going to thermal a slow going 80 the logic is lost in kurdistan you can't explain why we have water but at the same time we don't keep on thinking about it it's like having

a garden where you can go for a walk it's nonsense. now realise i'm another reservoir further inland that water remains are so self tension here with many saying whoever controls its flow will likely emerge as a regional power in central asia. that kyrgyzstan polish all the good took a joke and austria's peter hendy have been awarded the nobel prize for literature to win it's well known because last year's prize was not awarded taco truck was recognized for her narrative imagination while peter and the car was awarded for his influential work exploring human experience the swedish academy oversees the producers awards. you're watching i was there i was the whole rob to remind of our top stories turkish forces have intensified their military offensive in northern syria for

a 2nd day there have been airstrikes and artillery fire along a broad front and turkish forces have crossed into syria through at least 3 entry points the turkish president says the country's military offensive will target strictly what he describes as terrorist groups present there or the while also lashed out at countries opposed to the operation of. sudan it was on the machines saudi arabia should look in the mirror they put yemen in the situation and look what's happening in their tens of thousands of people are dying in yemen saudi arabia you should talk about this 1st you cannot criticize our operation or so egypt you cannot talk at all you are the murderer of democracy in your country because morsi is the it was a link to by 52 percent in a democratic election and now you did not allow his family to bury him properly this is the kind of murderer you want him. dead and they don't mean. we have 3600000 syrian refugees in our country whiting to go back to their homes the

european union look at yourself i repeat at the moment you cannot call or define the operation as an invasion our job is easy we could just open the doors in 2600000 refugees we will see in the back to you. meanwhile kurdish forces say they've repelled turkish ground attacks they're also warning of a humanitarian crisis as thousands of residents begin to flee the area. latest reports record also least 5 people are being killed and to government protests the week long anger at the doubling of petrol prices shows no sign of easing present marína has imposed a state of emergency and move the government from the capital quito to the coastal city of gear keel. and polish over all the talk of joke and austria's that peter had to have been awarded the nobel prize for literature 2 winners were named because last year's prize was not awarded took a joke was recognized for her narrative imagination or peter hendy was awarded for his influential work exploring human experience the swedish academy which oversees

a prestigious award suspended it last year after a sexual assault scandal because she is one of those stories on our website at al-jazeera dot com they'll do their news follows in half an hour but next it's the stream to stay with us. every. i have family ok and this is the street and i really could be a whistle blowers why do they risk it all we speak with author tom muller whose new book is that question and we want to hear from you you can tweet us at a.j.

stream or leave a comment and i live chat and also be in the street. my name is catherine and i am there was a bird that was featured in the film the official secret and you are in the street . you are. from wall street to washington whistle blowers are speaking truth to power the most recent high profile case has sparked an impeachment inquiry into united states president donald trump's dealings with ukraine but what makes some people choose to speak out about wrongdoing while others remain silent joining us to discuss this in washington d.c. tom the author of crises of conscience a whistle blowing in an age of fort thomas drake a former intelligence analyst at the national security agency who blew the whistle on the agency's controversial surveillance program he was in the u.s. but he's joining us from melbourne australia and in our studio and then back with

can see is a corporate whistleblower who worked as a compliance officer at how the facts health systems in florida for 20 years you'll hear her story in just a moment however what it's good to have you here told this book it's not a small book let me just show it to people how big it is you spoke. the whistleblower is as you were getting this entire book together how did you how did you sit down and and put their stories together so that we got a reading good sense of what many people will supply what happens to them. i began by looking at one corner of whistleblowing false claims act was the one which is corporate fraud and gradually as i talked with the people i began to get a sense of the sorts of people that do this in that area and then i began to realize that actually this is not just an island this is a continent whistleblowing and i looked at other corporate whistleblowers and i looked the government was that lowers that i looked at national security was the reason in each and every case the personal dynamics of their or their decision to

act and the group dynamics of the group around them that toxic group doing it would go that retaliated against them was very very similar so there became a kind of a whistleblower character that emerged from my work what is the whistleblower character like you say and then. someone who is willing to risk everything to do the right thing i think that's one of the things in the whistleblower is i have talked to the that's our common thread i think we're not willing to be silenced when we see something is wrong and that's what we hope everyone would want to do can you tell us the moment where you saw something wrong when you thought i have to do something about this so in my particular case i was a healthcare whistleblower and we had contracts with physicians that violated the stark law which is supposed to make sure physicians are admitting patients or doing clinical care for the right reasons and not for financial reasons so when

our hospital i was director of physicians services and we violated the stark law and then realized that the hospital after telling them they were aware of it then they decided to pay anyway then i realize that you know i had to tell someone or i would be. complicit to that fraud and just to be clear. surgeries were done medical practices were done unnecessary they were being done for money yes so those were alleged allegations and part of that case said all so it didn't go to court where you know so they're still considered alleged so that's what happens in settlements not everything gets litigated and become public which is part of the hard thing even though it settles for a lot of money you don't know if it's corrected by revenue or story reminds me of a video comment we got from someone else who talks about the reason that she had to

do with this is sheila white a whistleblower for in an employment discrimination case and here's what she said to the stream recently actual ship. treatment. likes. to be. so tough that law and i spoke out for people who couldn't speak out for themselves paraphrasing her there a little bit about something you see is a theme kind of a thread through the people that you've talked to over the course of this book. absolutely she put in words exactly almost word for word but in what another whistleblower the whose case i looked into alan jones who blew the whistle both on johnson and johnson and major pharmaceutical companies and his own office the inspector general of pennsylvania for serious multi-state 1000000000 dollar wrongdoing he said i must speak up for those who are silent i must speak out for

the people who are victims who have no voice exactly the same terminology that's a kind of person who thinks about society and everyone in society as equal members and equal members of the human race. back in 2015 plus very special interactive there are videos of the into he's all about thomas drake and what he did at the n.s.a. have a look here my laptop is just watching the very beginning of it it's very traumatic how the camera. then i am going to press play it's fair to say that if there had been a time straight there could have been that. here we had a guy who did absolutely everything with the place to see the system he saw you know the one was wiretapping hundreds of millions of americans he saw the corruption brought it to the energy he brought it to congress and ran the protecting him and he actively retaliated against him. thomas that

moment when you realize you had to do something what does that feel like as as an emotional something who's walking in the north. where the rule has gone horribly wrong. in my case you know my 1st image. or into my new duty station which was the number 3 person that i say that signals intelligence directorate i quickly found out what my government was doing in secret you know under the cover of that failure to keep almost 3000 people out of harms way. and they did so under the blanket international security and you know what you say what does it feel like you don't wake up one morning and say i'm going to become a whistleblower but you're confronted by the stark reality of something gone terribly wrong and it was simply the case i could not remain silent because a writer meant so i would have been complicit not only the wrongdoing but this case a violation of the constitution the 4th amendment and privacy rights of millions of

people at the highest what was the government up to and including the president but i knew that by doing so i was i was looking over a cliff and i have life was never going to be the same. and i have to say that i just played of course if anybody didn't recognize that person as edward snowden when the whole n.s.a. whistle blowing. blew up a you with that before he was that say you paved the way you can what you want to see next this week from our who says whistleblowers should always be given a right to undertake their activities appropriate laws should be in place to protect them and the information that they have obtained so someone else in our community roback this is media b.x. who says there is at least the united states the whistleblower protection act of 1909 that was an active to protect federal employees but it doesn't seem so efficient whistleblowers feels lonely isolated and paranoid that they could be targeted in the streets by anyone seeking retribution thomas for you were you

thinking of the legal protections you might have what was going through your mind the ramifications of what the law might offer you well. my eyes are wide open i was certainly not naive you know i had been serving the government in the past a number of times and here i was the senior executive there were existing channels they they call them. disclosure channels there's also be protected against who tell you asian but there really expose or channels if you're working on wrongdoing and violations of law it committed by the highest levels of your own agency and in my case not just the agency but also the white house the president ited states the vice president you know the head of the now security agency they're not going to take too kindly to getting. having someone even a senior as i was having them be exposed and so they're going to retaliate the

problem is that these was although they say and i was one of the intelligence community was that our protection act also later with the department defense i g.'s act. it's supposed to protect you but there's not that protect you against retaliation and you are left extraordinarily exposed. so in my particular case my case is filed under the false claims act which also has a protection for retaliation and in my experience that's on paper because unless you're willing to file a lawsuit against the retaliation your work is going to tell you it's perceived any time you have a complaint so i don't think they work well at least not in my instance. i could jump in i just took a little context let's remember that thomas drake was a multi-day decades servant of our nation. and someone who had proven

is patriotism time and time again he came forward under the specific guarantee of anonymity he spoke out through channels that were carefully laid out legally protected in theory. but in practice of course it came it went from a whistle blower protection to a whistle or trap and both of these people are people who simply cannot remain silent while this while this is happening they have a greater loyalty and a greater sense of duty then to their individual bosses or to their teams they have a higher calling if you will and that calling cannot be silenced and both of them have said to me at one time or another thomas to me at one time when i had to look myself in the mirror every day i had to do what i did ellen calls her choice of a choice list choice i have to i had to be able to put my kids to bed at night and i couldn't if i had not spoken up so essentially these are people with a with

a conscience and individual conscience that forces them to act and thank god that they exist tell me you mentioned something interesting that i want to pick up on you said the anonymity and there are people in our community that are talking about that point the named whistleblowers versus the unnamed so on you tube someone writing in live hemo says the real whistleblowers are the ones you never hear about so that's one person's view another person writing to us on twitter also picking up on that point outside as if you blow a whistle on me i have every right to see you tom what's your take on that view and anonymous whistleblowing versus named whistleblowing. well 1st of all many legal regimes many laws guarantee anonymity so that last statement is nonsense. with this is simply not true the ideal world scenario is for a whistleblower not to be named because when they come forward and lose or lose it

anonymity that is quite often a career suicide we're looking at 2 people highly qualified extremely ethical extremely able and will never work again in their chosen fields and that is 99 percent of the cases that i've looked at in my book 99 percent at least never work again this is a big problem so in the name of the is not only an important. principle under the law but it's also a guarantee of a future well being for these people as edward snowden himself said we should not expect people to commit career suicide in order to come forward will run out of of people who will do the right thing thomas guy has a lot of thought about what i mean. well remember i'm only public because the government and i did me under the espionage act that's the only reason i became a server i was certainly retaliate against within the system but. i you

know i was anonymous in terms of what is on paper but there is no protection against retaliation there's no access to the courts. in my case especially as an intelligence community. former you know a lawyer the. it's a very secret space and so although i was anonymous because of what i was blowing the whistle on which was at the highest levels of the government they're going to do everything they could to punish me and in my case i knew because i knew i was very familiar with the daniel ellsberg from the pentagon papers history that i could face not just the loss of my job i could face a lot worse and i did ultimately go to the press with unclassified information regarding what i knew in the public interest. but the idea that the whistleblower coming forward. whoever whoever is a member it was a result believed you have to remember the standard is a reason to believe that you actually have seen a wrong doing or

a violation of the law and you're coming forward to disclose that doesn't mean you are an eyewitness i was an eyewitness but i also had others who remain anonymous to this day and i will continue to protect for the rest of my life that i also shared critical information maybe regarding what was going on so i reported all of that right but it's really important no i don't it's not like there's no court you go to right then you know the in essence the accuser right that's i get to face my cues or you're hearing that right now from president trump he wants to he wants to flush out the whistleblower i mean the most dangerous thing that can happen is when the whistle. actually exposed by name and the reason is that they want the focus to be on the messenger and they want to avoid having to deal with the message so now you kill the messenger you attack the message or you would take out the messenger and you don't have to deal with the actual whistleblowing itself you only focus on the

little blower i never wanted to be public i never wanted to have my name sprayed across the front pages of multiple newspapers and magazines and be in the style section and have profiles made of me i mean it's extraordinary i mean going from a private citizen who is doing their job providing for the common defense silently but behind secret walls doing my job and then finding myself being fully exposed it's never a life was never and never the same again i was a silver lining yes i get to come on shows like yours and talk about all this but that's you know that whistleblowers it's a love hate relationship in terms of the history and i think tom's book really goes into great detail about it's not just the price you pay but a lot of the critical changes critical events and history across multiple sectors in society the changes that were made for the good the safety well being keeping

government accountable was because of the risk that was a bore so knowing that there are lies tell me very well not be the same thomas i hear not to you you repeat that your life will never be the same economies talk about retaliation and i want you to give us some very descriptive ideas of what happen to you in times with retaliation because solving it often seems that the whistleblower is the past and that's pointed to the demon and the bad guy or the bad woman but you're trying to help. what happened to you what was the retaliation so in my particular case under the false claims act the seal was lifted in one year so i filed under seal where no one knew that it was me and i hope that when the seal was left that the case would be close to over there if i may and you can correct me if i'm legally wrong it means that investigations can happen no one knows yet is it you or the organization you work for they don't know that an investigation is happening except that it can proceed and then suddenly you've got

all that evidence and then you can yes and typically the cases i had looked at under the false claims the whistleblower got to stay anonymous till the end of the case right not for my case unsealed in one ear and i worked there for 4 and a half years after that when everyone knew it wasn't me to you what happened i went from external to yes i went from perfect evaluation to 0 score some leadership the worst part that happened to me was that even my friends were retaliated against and told that they couldn't even go to lunch with me and that that is harder than any personal retaliation because you have protection in the end or since your friends have no protection and when the case was over some of them lost their jobs and of course they weren't fired their jobs were just changed their job description changed to where they no longer you know qualified for the job that had for 20 years or something like that so retaliation is brutal and yet you won your case if

you feel that people often look at you and say well there is a success story yes and they call it a success story because there is a settlement and you get a reward however what people don't realize is that very few cases the whistleblower and supped with a financial reward and in my particular case it's considered successful because i did however i believe less than 20 percent of these false claims act cases the whistleblower with anything at all so you risk your job knowing that you may not get. anything i'm just going to share a very important point to the numbers of people who actually succeed through the many many cases that i looked at in various different industries who actually get any sort of a payout at all are extremely low and let's remember this is this is not some sort of a bounty this is essentially a payment for your lost career and you will never work again so to call it a bounty and to to make it look like this person is trying to win the lottery or

game the system is actually very wrong headed but i think what something that thomas said earlier is very a propos to our current situation when we start personalizing whistleblowers when we start saying who are they and what is their background with their history what's their favorite color we we disconnect from the fact that they bring forward do they have good facts are not in the current case with president trump and ukraine whistleblower blowers because as a body this is a community of whistleblowers coming forward it reminded me very much of thomas' case where a group of loyal and long term multi-decadal servants in the n.s.a. and out came forward with a very specific complaint and the the the channels that they followed where the legal channels did not serve them well and i'm wondering how he thinks does he feel or this is a replay of history when he watches the u.k. in great whistleblowers well no i've had many flashbacks as a result of this and you know i suffer from partisanship in the politics 'd. it was

a blowers or like back in the news again right and this is a good whistleblower i'm sorry i think simply because there's the extraordinary conduct and behavior of the president office who is now clearly obstructing justice and is just projecting left and right each and every day and through you know the social media and twitter accounts in particular yes i mean i certainly can identify what the risks are especially when you're taking on the president in states like i did i mean you don't do that without some kind of retribution you don't do that. knowing that somebody kind of reprisal i mean there are that particular whistleblower now we have others that are apparently have come forward. they're out there not only as their career risks there have been direct threats issued. it's the 1st one i myself i mean i don't talk about it publicly i mean i realize i'm

here. but i myself had threats that were issued i had you know i had the government was 'd making all kinds of they all. failed comments right to even spell the word thomas can't pull him out i don't want to i want to try to get wet with spending the whole show talking about this so i know you're prepared for this what kind of veiled threat disappearing from the focus almost at the end of the show did you get some government what they say team to stagnated. well in my case the retaliation was you know i end up losing my job even though i was really caught out earlier best i got to the point where i had no prior knowledge no programs i had no people. and i just had an office and a computer there is you know the handwriting was on the wall. the rats actually came later because of what the government and i'm doing member i was part of a criminal leak investigation and so you have the department of justice is on your

back at the highest levels i thought about it or you could be an insider but that's what it became what was i was now an insider and i have to be removed and i think hearing about those threats is so important because you're not alone in that i want to play a video comment from someone else this is jane turner she is the f.b.i. whistle blower and also a 25 year veteran special agent with the f.b.i. here's the aftermath of her case my name is jane turner and i am an f.b.i. whistleblower my 20 year legal battle with the f.b.i. has resulted in financial ruin pain for my family and a loss of a career although adjudicated a whistleblower 4 years ago by the department of justice the f.b.i. has refused to honor the judgment it has been a devastating journey for someone with a moral compass and integrity. tom that must echo other things that you heard from

others in the end what do they tell you about those repercussions. absolutely you know the range of retaliation is so visible so that the emotions that are that come out are so charge that we're clearly dealing with deep almost tribal emotions so i mean that the ritual humiliation in front of others the stripping of security clearances clearances you have security guards marching people out of the door or threats against their lives in some cases and certain people following them surveillance at the end of the day though these people and then wanted to be on the show with 2 of my heroes and the other people that are out about they didn't have a choice they fundamentally when push came to shove and everyone else looked the other way they said no i must do this and i am thankful to them and to their colleagues tom is the author of crisis of conscience resupplying in that ford is coming available in all good book shops and of course online thank you tom tom s

n l m for joining us today many college here is where l. and while the rest of us become complicit in our silence he writes whistleblowers are the heroic citizens and the models we must be late thank you for watching everybody and look and i will see you on line next time.

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so there is heavy fighting in border villages on day 2 of turkey's military operation as you can see huge plumes of smoke can be seen billowing in the sky as turkish jets bombed kurdish positions so far 3 civilians have been killed including a child and mortar fire in the town of probably well turkey's president has defended the military onslaught which he said was an operation to quote eliminate terrorists the violence is giving rise to fears of a humanitarian crisis that's as thousands of people have begun fleeing to safety and a short while ago president donald trump said he's speaking to both the turks as well as the kurds that's a day after he threatened to ruin turkey's economy but we have correspondents following developments in washington d.c. and istanbul and also from cali that's on turkey's border with syria but we start our coverage with this reports from zeta hold it. turkish airstrikes

and artillery bombardment are targeting the defenses of the kurdish led syrian democratic forces as the turkish army advances into northeast syria on some fronts turkish soldiers and their local allies the opposition syrian national army pushed a few kilometers deep capturing several villages in mainly spare sleep populated areas the s. the f. is outgunned and outmanned by the 2nd largest army in the nato alliance but kurdish led forces are putting up resistance promising to make any battle long and hard the flap to rain however will make it difficult to hold their ground in the face of heavy firepower their media focus of turkey's air and ground operation is a 100 kilometer stretch of territory from the syrian border town of tell me to the border town of ras al-ain to the east it is an area of the u.s.

military with drew from earlier this week it seems the turkish army and its local allies want to secure areas before moving into towns. international aid agencies are warning of an impending humanitarian disaster they also warn of mass displacement turkish commanders say civilians and civilian infrastructure are not the targets of the campaign thousands of syrians are already on the move fleeing hostilities which are still largely confined to border areas but the safe zone turkey says it wants to create extends 480 kilometers along the border and 30 kilometers deep turkey says the operation is about getting rid of a security threat it considers the syrian kurdish armed group the white p.g.d. which forms the backbone of the as the f a terrorist organization the turks also want millions of refugees it is looking after to move to the safe zone both the money so you know for years syrians fled

from morocco. yes they fled from iceland the y.p. she took his province of song is home 240-0000 serious and the 125000 of them live here and this turkish border town they need to be able to go home. the western arab countries are not on board with turkey's plan that some say will create demographic changes president pressure type argonne hit back. with 3600000 syrian refugees in our country whiting to go back to their homes the european union look at yourself i repeat at the moment you cannot call or define the operation as an invasion i'll job is easy we could just open the doors in 2600000 refugees we've seen them back to you but. on the machines saudi arabia should look in the mirror they put human in the situation and look what's happening in the 10s of thousands of people are dying in yemen saudi arabia

you should talk about this 1st you cannot criticize our operation or so egypt you cannot talk at all you are the murderer of democracy in your country. leaders of turkey's government and military commanders haven't spelt out the scope of their campaign much may depend on planned talks between our decline and us president donald trump next month but the growing criticism of turkey's actions in syria is another battle the government in ankara is facing. on the turkey syria border let's bring in stratford who's joining us from. his border with syria and we're reporting we're hearing 3 people including a child that have been killed in the what more can you tell us. that's right this is according to local government seems like the state forces across the border been responding to the heavy bombardment the heavy artillery bombardment that they've been sustaining all day and. as you

say 3 people killed in what we understand may well have been a motor attacks a woman and a 9 month old baby included in those casualties. as many as 30 people may have been injured as well. certainly since this started last night it has escalated. extensively across as you heard him say in his package that. an area that we understand could be around 100 meters 100 kilometers long and 30 meters deep that's what the trying to do a pincer movement that stretches from here in tel tel out beyond just the town literally behind me i'd say the border is around half a kilometer behind me all that black smoke where those as yet positions have been targeted that pincer movement from here to. the east of here

a stretch of about 100 kilometers the situation in this town as you can imagine is very tense we've heard the turkish military on using loud speakers to warn people to stay in their homes and stay away from the area huge concerns of course about the kind of humanitarian impact that this turkish operation could have we understand certainly last night there were reports of thousands of people fleeing their homes on the syrian side and moving south into syria and we're hearing more of those reports today interesting leading a.s.d.f. . released sent a tweet out saying that 3 civilians were killed in well they say was. all teary strike on a convoy of people. trying to leave tel aviv which as i say is very close to directly behind me so the situation as we go into the scene tonight for now.

obviously very worrying for the people in this town and as you can imagine hundreds of thousands of civilian syrian civilians across the border yeah and speaking of the charles what sort of resistance are they putting up. there has been very little information coming out from the syrians. i suppose a couple of hours ago there was some information a tweet was released by the s.d.f. saying that they were putting up stiff resistance in and around a town called commission lee which is to the east of here 'd according to our teams that were here earlier today they were seeing what they describe what they believe could well be those free syrian army fighters that were brought over from turkey over the last few days to participate in these to help aeration we know that the f.s.a. have been backed by the since the beginning of the revolution in syria. saying that they would seeing as f.s.a. fighters going in across the border. clashes going on retreating so it

suggests there is stiff resistance by the stiff and one can only imagine it's a similar scenario similar case right the way across the border where this operation continues ok thank you for that update let's now take you to istanbul and speak to sin and cos of all that because the president spoke a little earlier today and he had some strong words for those that oppose this operation. yes they're in he basically threatened their european countries if they call turkey as an invader in north of syria he would open the gates for those 3 at least 3600000 syrian refugees living in turkey right now so that they they would go to europe if prisons are down seems to be upset about the international reaction against the circus military intervention in north of syria because the spy turkey believes that this is

a legitimate cause to fight against what they call a terrorist organization the output kurdistan workers party turkey receive nor support just critics and opposition from international public opinion that's why i don't want to make clear what turkey's aim is to ricky doesn't want any territorial gain turkey is not after any invasion or turkey is not after the kurds of syria but just an organization that threatened his country if for many decades and and which the struggle coast at these 40000 people's lives in turkey he wanted to he tried to explain this but his words were very strong and he mostly quit a size that erupt countries. primarily saudi arabia he said that you are criticizing turkey but look at what you did in yemen he also criticized egypt and he said that there is no democracy in egypt and inside turkey when you look at

the domestic public opinion are gone has the support from the political parties and the majority of the country but the pro cord issue h d p parties against this military intervention because they see this operation another against by the an ethnic wise waterway to the operation and the main opposition who also supports the idea of clearing the other side of the border from what they call to. arest they urged the government to make immediate contact with the syrian regime the syrian government which the opposition seems alleged says it is the legitimate correspondent of turkey turkey is in a way kind of left in the middle the u.s. says they're not going to support and mr trump president donald trump is giving mixed messages to turkey one day he's in a day they he's delivering a so many messages he criticized a sturk

e here threatens turkey by destroying its economy and then he says are gone.