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foreign ministry spokesman abbas mousavi said this isn't the 1st time in recent months that iranian vessels in the red sea have experienced what he described as destructive actions he blamed the fallout and resulting pollution on perpetrators of the attack who have yet to be identified he said they were taking part in quote dangerous adventurism the finger pointing from to herat has already begun as well with a senior m.p. blaming the us or israel for targeting the oil vessel iran's national oil tanker company meanwhile whose experts are investigating the incident that company was keen to point out that while terrorism or some form of missile attack may have been the cause of this incident they did not suspect that any attack originated from saudi shores the incident comes a day before pakistan's imran khan is due to arrive into iran for his 2nd official visit since becoming prime minister he'll be here in an effort to mediate between riyadh and to iran to try to bring down tensions in the region but with this attack iran is likely to have its diplomatic defenses up once again and if there was any
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hope for a breakthrough during his visit it is now less likely to happen the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine is the next in line to testify at the impeachment inquiry investigating president donald trump maria was recalled from her post in may the former diplomat was named in the whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment process let's bring in shihab rattansi joining us from washington d.c. so what is the state of play as she showing up to testify. she hasn't appeared in any of the public areas of congress which leaves us with 3 options i guess one she's running late to the trauma ministration has forbidden her from from testifying or from from giving a deposition or 3 she's already in the secure facility where that deposition is supposed to be is going to be held and this is a secure facility there are multiple entrances so we're not sure whether she's coming or not or whether she's already being deposed but certainly members of congress who are part of these house committees did turn up and they kept on saying that they had the expectation she would she would testify the reason why she's so
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interesting is because yes as you mentioned she was mentioned in that that partial transcript or account of donald trump's conversation with the ukrainian president on july the 25th but on drug called her bad news she was not a bomber appointee and it didn't take a loan for there to be a great deal of gossip in republican circles which said that she was bad that she was bad she was bad mouth donald trump she wasn't loyal she was still part of some obama era hostility towards donald trump that was then compounded when the prosecutor general of ukraine gave an interview to the hill newspaper here in washington where he said that she gave him a list of people not to prosecute that he was hindering his attempts to to investigate various issues which of course made the republicans go nuts because they already have these theories that well have 2 theories 100 biden something rather unseemly and the republicans think there's something weird about him having a huge plum job with
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a ukrainian energy company but it was long this theory that joe biden was trying to intercede on his behalf to prevent investigations there's plenty of journalism out that suggest that may not have been may not have been the case but secondly that the ukrainians anyway had been had been very partial to hillary clinton they were quite open to that open about that in the 26th election and that they somehow had something to do with the origins of the russia gate investigation so this is all this is all that has been bubbling away however that same prosecutor general having given that interview then walked. back and said actually no she didn't prevent me from investigating anyone but the damage had been done thus far as republicans and transporters were concerned she was she was trouble she was removed a few months early from office so clearly what those investigating what's been going on want to know is what did happen where you remove why do you think you were moved what was going on was rudy giuliani conducting some sort of shadow foreign policy in ukraine was that foreign policy on behalf of the national interest or purely for donald trump's interest was there
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a quid pro quo for military aid for visits to the white house and so on get off the dirt and then we will and then you know and then we'll give you what you want. supporters of i have been briefing the press today and they say that what she was going to say or her mind is all this offline personal informal stuff that's why she was fired she did want to do it she wanted to go through regular channels so clearly democrats on these committees are very eager to speak to her for all we know she's speaking or she's running late or she's not going ok well we'll cross over to you once we get some more information on her whereabouts she have thank you for the time being still ahead on al-jazeera there will be a day in court south african judges rule the former president jacob zuma must stand trial on corruption charges. and they want to see more showers expected into more southern sections of china
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over the next couple of days plenty of clouds streaming through the interior and then also as there is some rain in there as well not really making its way we need is very dry but meanwhile they've got more rain. a db a province as well and as you can see south of a on sunday a wet couple of days along that coast into hong kong certainly quite a strong on shore flow here and the interior dry warm there into shanghai for the next couple of days and then india. well finally we have now officially seen stars over the withdrawal of the southwest monsoon of course it's been pushing in from the north and the northwest and really encompassing much of utah pradesh as well the rains will continue to receive over the coming weeks ahead but still as we go through south a some pretty heavy rain 3 more east in regions across into addition but really drying up into much of an across into assam bangladesh as well and then kara also seeing some rain south of a sunday that's where we will see the heaviest of the rain in still wanted to show
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was into central maharashtra but it will be a dry couple days ahead in mumbai still calls pretty well with the high temperature the of 33 degrees celsius. one simple mistake could be framed. as a deep sea diver carries immense risk to the lives of those willing to take the chance but for north korean so much of the opportunity for a prosperous new life in the south with his family was an even bigger risk to take . a witness documentary on al jazeera.
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hello again the top stories on al-jazeera at least 26 civilians have been killed as turkish forces push deeper into syria vast numbers from the syrian observatory for human rights the u.n. says more than 70000 people have been displaced pentagon says it strongly encourages turkey to discontinue its offensive. and nato chief un stolberg is calling on turkey to act with restraint in its operation in syria he says nato must find us just a noble solution so i sold prisoners in syria. iran's foreign ministry has confirmed a state owned oil tanker was hit twice during an attack in the red sea off the coast of saudi arabia there has been no immediate response from riyadh. the united arab emirates is trying to silence the al-jazeera news network that's
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according to a bloomberg reports the u.a.e. is reportedly running a law being campaign in washington d.c. using a law firm to try and influence members of the u.s. congress they've also used twitter accounts hiding their u.a.e. affiliations in an attempt to discredit al-jazeera and qatar the gulf nation where the network is headquartered the u.a.e. has been part of a blockade against qatar alongside other regional powers since june 27th seen and has called for the news network to be shut down let's bring in particle hainje is joining us from washington d.c. so what more are we learning about how widespread this campaign has been. this is a really in-depth report again from bloomberg news and what it says is that and this has been reported up until now that the blockade has taken a toll in the united states in essence they're saying that this very powerful lobbying firm in fact the most powerful in washington its name is
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a can grow up stross and how are that the u.a.e. paid them $1900000.00 over the 12 month period ending in june and that what this law firm did is they had contact with staffers from 30 different members of congress and the trump administration all in an effort to get al-jazeera to be named an agent of a foreign government this is something that's happening the united states to broadcasters like russia today but al-jazeera has maintained that it is in fact independent from the government of qatar what would the impact of a far registration be well in the case of r.t. they saw their credentials suspended in some cases they weren't allowed into events so what this campaign apparently did was they had a slick produced video well according to the quote again from bloomberg and they've had a videotape they opened a laptop played a slickly produced video showed al jazeera giving airtime to terrorist groups the video this trump official told bloomberg was bizarre with dramatic music and urgent sounding voice overs so trying to convince the trump administration members of
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congress to make al-jazeera register as agents of a foreign government obviously al-jazeera maintains its its own independence from the qatari government and believes it doesn't need to register as agents of a foreign government yeah just to kind of put it in a little bit more context as well it's worth reminding our viewers that qatar has been under blockade by 4 countries one of which is the u.a.e. and these countries have demanded that the al jazeera news network be shut down. and they could charge government responded to that in this bloomberg article saying that it has no intention of shutting down al-jazeera maintaining again that al-jazeera is independent from the qatari government which really a blockbuster about this reporting is what was happening behind the scenes how the u.s. is playing a is being brought in to this blockade let's not forget the beginning of it u.s. president seemed to side with the saudi coalition the u.a.e. but then when the secretary of defense and secretary of state of time got involved they said absolutely not cut qatar is an ally and pointed out to the president that
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the biggest u.s. base in the middle east is located in cutter so this goes to show this bloomberg story goes to show that the effort to discredit qatar and al jazeera is still ongoing in the united states all right thank you. prime minister ahmed has been awarded the nobel peace prize he's being recognized for his reforms to tackle domestic ethnic tensions and ending the long running conflict with eritrea over a disputed border territory. when mitt became prime minister in april 28th. he made it clear that he wished to receive peace talks with a retreat. in close cooperation with the sky yes off valve the president of a vitriolic. method quickly worked out the principles for a foreign and for peace agreement to end the long no peace no the war state in
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may between the 2 countries robyn kriel has the reaction from. well incredible news both for if the o.p.'s and for africans although many of the o.p.'s here were quite surprised that he won that prestigious award many of them said that they're not shocked at all because he is still so incredibly popular here on the ground and if you rarely do you see a for example a cab or a bus drive past without dr b. as he's affectionately known as face on the back of it as well as that flag because he is seen as the nationalist the person who united if you will be who brought them through those dock times through that state of emergency and through what many analysts have said could have possibly been a civil war had he not come into power at that time but when you heard that list of achievements read by the nobel peace prize committee his peace with eritrea detente with somalia the fact that he attended essentially the political process here and
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at the opiah which for years was a dictatorship a commentator i spoke with yesterday said that had it not been for this the fact that if europe it would likely be fractured already there so jabari has more in prime minister. first since taking office. prime minister ahmet was sworn into office in april 2080. since then the 43 year old former army intelligence officer has launched a wide program of political and economic reforms such as ending state monopolies and allowing private sector competition in industries such as telecoms aviation and power his biggest success so far was the peace deal with neighboring eritrea and being in nearly 20 years of military stalemate following their 2 year border war in june last year the ethiopian government agreed to hand over control of the disputed border town of dogma to eritrea. until then if you know pierre rejected the
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international boundary commission's ruling in favor of eritrea at mit's unpredictable style isn't popular with all if yo peons the most if you open stressed him the only problem they have both now is they wanted the change to happen immediately. we have a lot of economic problems in this country are a lot of the economy is growing very fast the amount of expenditure that's going into infrastructure has been at the expense of livelihoods he played a central role in the violence fights against illegal land grabbing activities in there are a mere region 4 years ago the government stopped a controversial scheme in 2016 but disputes continued and resulted in people being killed that fight is seen by many as boosting its political career he's from there or rumor tripe if you o.p.'s largest ethnic group which spearheaded the protests to force his predecessor to resign an assassination attempt 2 years ago failed to stop
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his development plans for ethiopia. and activists a military intelligence officer a land grab opponent an unpredictable politician a peace maker and now meant can add nobel peace prize winner to his list of accomplishments or such a bari al jazeera. south africa pro former president jacob zuma has lost his bid to avoid standing trial for corruption that's expected to begin next week his lawyers argued the prosecution should be thrown out because it's politically motivated zuma denies taking bribes from a french weapons company for $180000000.00 government contract in the 1990 s. from the miller was at the courts. the court judgment was handed down in under 2 minutes and jacob zuma was in and out of cotton in just a few minutes the court had decided that jacob zuma will indeed stand trial that's
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due to begin next week but it's also worth remembering that the former president does have the option to approach the supreme court of appeal to appeal this judgement and perhaps further delay his day in court which is a huge cheer said for a long time he wants to have the opportunity to do but it's at the same time he's also tried to delay the court appearance ultimately wanting that trial thrown out essentially jacob zuma should be back in court with the week however it's not quite certain just how long that trial will take and when the south africans will have answers will a case that has been going on now for almost 15 years aside from this court case and the charges of corruption fraud and racketeering jacob zuma does face other allegations of corruption during his time as president of south africa and that's culminated in what's being called
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a commission of inquiry into alleged corruption the former president also having to answer questions there while that commission is ongoing. people have been taken to hospital with injuries after being stabbed at a shopping center in manchester in the u.k. police say they've arrested a man in his forty's at the scene on suspicion of serious assault counterterrorism officers are investigating the incident and say they are keeping an open mind about the motive. the u.k.'s prime minister is in charge i beg your pardon the u.k. minister in charge of breck's it is in brussels for talks stephen barclay met with the chief negotiator michel barnier in an effort to make a breakthrough on an exit deal it follows boris johnson's meeting on thursday with his irish counterpart leo verite carr who says an agreement before the october 31st deadline is still possible. we are. talking to
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the british team of going to do you think you should learn about how the rules and the british. define a ton. of. bricks sheet rock climbing. we need. training and patience china's president is in india meeting prime minister narendra modi xi jinping is discussing tensions in the disputed region if indian administered kashmir china supported pakistan at a recent un security council meeting also up for discussion india's $53000000000.00 trade deficit with china and new security measures along their shared border in japan's capital bottled water instant noodles and other necessities are being stockpiled as thai food haggis closes in weather forecasters expected the lose of rain and damaging winds in tokyo this weekend 2 matches of the rugby world cup have been cancelled flights and train services are being disrupted and evacuation
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warnings issued for flood prone low lying areas. well again the headlines on al-jazeera this hour at least 26 civilians have been killed as turkish forces push deeper into syria that numbers from the syrian observatory for human rights turkey's military says more than 300 fighters have been captured or killed the kurds however say 29 of their fighters are dead the u.n. says aerial strikes and shelling has this place more than 70000 people and the nato secretary general has urged turkey to act with restraint in its ongoing military offensive interest syria. i shared with him my suz concerns about the on going operation and the risk of further destabilizing the region escalating tensions and
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even more human suffering was church your house to get to meet security concerns or expect churches to act with restraint we have a common enemy. a few years ago they controlled significant tutorial in iraq and in syria working together in the global coalition we have liberated all this territory 1000000 so people these gains must not be jeopardized iran says 2 missiles have struck an iranian oil tanker off the coast of saudi arabia in what's described as a dangerous adventure iran's foreign ministry says the 70 was attacked and set on fire in the red sea the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine is the next in line to testify at the impeachment inquiry investigating president donald trump maria von of it was recalled from her post i'm a former diplomat was named in the whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment process. the united arab emirates is trying to discredit the al-jazeera
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news network according to a bloomberg report the u.a.e. is reportedly running a lobbying campaign in washington using a law firm to try and influence members of the u.s. congress those are the headlines on al-jazeera the stream is coming up next. there are we. believe in the 2 state solution do you still believe in the 2 state solution we listen to what i just said it was that pakistan would never start a war until we walk we meet with global news makers and tweet about the stories that matter is iraq. for me ok i'm here in the stream today getting justice for victims of syrian war crimes we will look at how european prosecutors in germany and other countries are
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building cases against suspected perpetrator has now living up north and we welcome your thoughts on how justice can be achieved share your comments with us live on twitter or in our you tube chat. this is free to be for the kind of director of human rights watch and you were in the street. could a german national court help achieve justice for victims of syrian war crimes investigators have been attempting to track down and prosecute syrians who are believed to be responsible for torture and other atrocities committed during the country's a.t.'s civil war now although the alleged war crimes occurred outside german borders prosecutors are able to pursue these cases using a principle called universal jurisdiction to arrest former syrian military intelligence offices were made earlier this year in germany and the 1st war crimes trial for a high ranking syrian official could happen in 2023rd today we'll hear from those who are working to hold the syrian government accountable with us in berlin
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alexandria lilly kapur a legal advisor at the european center for constitutional and human rights also in berlin. syria human rights activist and photo journalist and in paris valerie paul a a legal consultant with trial international and i guess it's good to have you i i want to take you back to a time that was probably the worst time in your life when you were in detention in syria as you were experiencing torture was there any point you felt that you would get justice that people who were doing terrible things to you would actually have to serve time in court. time in prison go to court was that even a concept that was possible. i don't recall it being a concept that was actually possible. i mean as an evolutionary someone who went out in demonstrations there was always that feeling that we're going to
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get into jail for things we do in another because it's unjust not because it's. it's illegal but just because the dictatorship that we were chasing was actually not ok with anything we were doing so the concept of getting into jail was in my mind during all the demonstrations that i was going out and but the concept of getting out of jail is so hard to be thought about. the accountability they asked me about was not something that i ever thought about when i was in jail. in jail you live for the next thing you live she like you're going to die in the next hour or so it was not a concept that i was thinking of following the syrian civil war is still ongoing who knows when it will the concept of the trial won't canals right now
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it was very unusual but that's what universal jurisdiction and mabel's willingness to do it mobiles for teams to russian made me think some justice can you explain quite simply how it was so if someone like qur'an was tortured in syria who now lives in jenin all how would confess intersection work for the people who allegedly tortured him a tortured many of the people. well you know exactly you point out one of the things universal jurisdiction do and it's not unusual it's allowing someone that is not from the country that is going to prosecute. where it has was a victim of crimes that were not committed in the he's in the country you're welcome to return you brought against victim not from the same country. and universal jurisdiction will allow him to get justice in this current state. so just
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to be clear the jurisdiction of states is based on the territory normally states will prosecute the crimes that are committed in their territory but universal jurisdiction that's where it's exceptional if you're going to judge people that are like for example in syria. victims or syrian the perpetrator in syria and the crime were committed in syria but nonetheless they are prosecuted and in burien that's how it works that's a principle of universal jurisdiction and it's a level for really grave crimes crimes that we consider that or crimes against all humanity all mankind such as crimes against humanity genocide daughter. and that's why we consider that so grave that every state should tackle the issue and try to prosecute the british and valerie you mentioned grave crimes there and i want to
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bring up this tweet reminding us all of what some of those crimes were this from the global center for the responsibility to protect their right throughout the 8 year war in syria every major principle of international law has been violated indiscriminate attacks on civilians sexual violence a blockage of humanitarian aid deliberate targeting of hospitals and humanitarian workers have been the hallmarks of this war so keeping that in mind is why we see tweets like this jonah says if there's no accountable government and sound judicial system in syria then it's better to have some kind of justice in german courts rather than nothing at all lily why dramedy though. germany has a quiet broad universal yours the action legal framework as valerie already explains that what's particular about germany is that in comparison to other countries for example the netherlands the suspect needs to be in a territory full investigations even to open and in germany we don't have such
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a requirement that means our federal public prosecutor he's allowed to go ahead with the investigation even if there's no such a suspect present and i think what we need to also highlight here is that not only the trials are important of course it's really important that we are hopefully seeing the 1st ever trial addressing international crimes committed in syria next year but what's also important is that the german federal prosecutor has the tools to already preserve evidence and they are doing this already since the end of 2011 december 2011 and since then the german prosecutor is collecting photo evidence video evidence but most importantly. testimonies of survivors in germany that are in europe to bring such investigations forward i'm just thinking about the refugees that are spread out around you that some of. your experience i
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had some experience to see you and some of those refugees or people who were living outside of syria some of as refugees all perpetrators as well tell us what you know about that because i think sometimes we forget the not everybody who leaves the country is something humans affect. you know i think what you bring going to know is something that i also learned that i. think maybe in germany you'd also talking about is used in a way. to talk about like you know to be really ga is the because they need asylum they're wanted in their countries. for me as someone who was detained before and i was i was seeing all these people inside who are causing for the cause in the church here and like that kind of there everyone was face in a state syria of course it is traumatizing for me to see them in the streets or to
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even hear about them. it is funny and sad to see them in germany i agree not every not everyone in in in europe is someone who who is there because they face something some kind of torture or they need to but i think we should emphasize on the idea that the largest numbers of syrian refugees who are in europe have faced something some kind of torture and also we should emphasize on the idea of. the syrian regime is the biggest and the most. the zen watre minal in syria the cause for lots of detentions hundreds of thousands of deaths but also there are some other flags that have been in syria and other parties who also caused for some detentions and some tears for some other but so serious so. yeah the idea is people are here in europe seeking
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asylum of course people are amongst those who caused there and caused for lots of torture for us the main the main way to maybe like be just to also as former. detainees and for these hundreds of thousands who are living right now and syrian jails and so if there is to take them to european courts. here not only one who believes that this is one of the ways to be just to those victims i want to play a video comment from someone named mark he's a student at mcgill law and in canada and also consultant and he talks about this being a form of justice have a listen international justice has done very little for syria yet syria has done a lot for international justice that includes reinvigorating the idea of universal
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jurisdiction the best prospects for justice and accountability for atrocities committed in syria today don't exist in an international court and they don't exist in syria they exist in a country 4000 kilometers away germany that's symbolism shouldn't be lost on us these are amongst the worst crimes that we have witnessed since the nazi regime in germany but we don't have the political will to achieve justice and international courts and it can't be done in syria at the very very least we can listen to victims collect the evidence that they carry and use it whenever possible and wherever possible to narrow the gap between the supply and demand for justice in syria so that he says at the very least we can be listening to victims talk to us about some of the cases that you know are being gathered right now and investigated and how you're getting the evidence for them. so the organization i work for uses c h r we've been investigating international crimes committed in syria about all parties of the conflict and i think that's an important point mentioned by qur'an and we've
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done so since about 2012 by the end of 2016 we collaborated and really started working with syrian activists and berlin and syrian lawyers who brought their work and they were organizations from syria to europe and continued to activism continue their political work and together with them we identified survivors who were willing to work with us on those cases so how we investigate what has happened in those quite secret detention facilities in syria is by 1st and foremost of course listening to the stories of form of detainees but also to the stories of the family that started missing their sons their daughters their brothers their fathers their husbands and what also their perspective is 'd on how they try to find them etc and then of course they have a bunch of important records such by the un commission of inquiry in syria but also by international human rights organizations such as human rights watch and amnesty
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international but also what i really would like to highlight here is the documentation work that has been done regular loosely since the beginning of the revolution and even before that on the system of torture that's being employed as an oppressive tool by those that government against those that took the streets of damascus and beyond so the sort of the sources we are working with but a form of evidence that i would also like to speak about what are the see the photos so these are tens of thousands of photos that have been taken by former military photographer that was operating in military hospitals in syria on behalf of the government and he at some point in time decided to take those photos out of these facilities and together with the team. analyze them and then eventually take them out of syria and be scotto sit peaked relieve the consequences of the torture
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and other crimes committed and these facilities so we have quite good visual evidence off of such crimes and the photos also 'd let us assume certain information to. command responsibility because also the dead bodies of the detainees essentially show not only what physically this person and these persons have experienced but they also show for example the place where the person was last detained and if we know where the person at the last detained we can research who has been in charge of that very detention facility and if we know who has been in charge we know who is the person who did not only know about these crimes being committed but who and often and often cases if not always also ordered for such crimes to be committed against the detainees that have been arbitrarily to try to tame their value we value you can say something a little bit addie go ahead would you want to add yeah i just wanted to comment on
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the caroms the experience and he was talking about the fact that some perpetrators some suspected criminals also hiding in the in the rashid g.'s and it's a this was a. person who creating a real football team if you for universal jurisdiction for full thank like germany friends we said until you've been placed to try to fight impunity and to make sure no safe than will be a grunt you call those the war criminals who indeed is the next 5 years or also we see that the universal jurisdiction is growing a lot we thought were organization plighted international we 'd produced a report on those cases of universal jurisdiction it's called a huge p.r. and we tried to to to show that actually this is up winning not only in germany you have no. and you syrians in germany and so many committees about so young and so many but you also have some cases in in the in sweden in friends and yourself katie
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about every over all those situations that says a library a wonder you have many cases around the world and it's true that in the last 5 years it's been a lot about syrian t.v. thanks to the through the window of opportunity that they refused you a migration labor because with the perpetrators yeah both the witnesses you also have. their victims and i did he was saying good things either prove the evidence in your case is very hard you need to imagine like whole like prosecutors all national forces you to who will not use to work in case these international case these they are not these more because we've been creating like it had been created in europe civil war crimes unit that are you know when you just had let me just highlight this aceh people because what it means is that if you are a national prosecutor you may not even have a budget to travel to different places where you need to gather the evidence so you
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may well to start a new all home country you will have city and not be out to go anywhere how do investigators you can't go anywhere that is problematic because what we've got to say go ahead. i was about 12. i was most of. my colleagues who were with me in the call about the idea that. ok as a syrian i do i do actually believe in the value and the importance of international. judiciary and international law no but i tend to not believe in the flexion functionality of it we've seen international institutions international the un and all the decisions regarding syria failing so what like. what do you guys doing it comes to trying to make syrians who are in europe believing in the functionality of shit are you do you get many theories who
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wants to talk about their cases to try to talk about the names of the people who torture them back in syria. maybe you take that one you stop sure i mean before i get to your question kermit i think that one of the gold bits back from the narrative of among the refugees are perpetrators and you're i think that's really true but i think there are 2 approaches the university has taken one as so many states also politically use utilizing it and saying we only go after the suspects that are on our territory but actually there's another idea that we can use universe years diction for and that it's actually globally and for the international criminal law and international criminal law despite its faults and its flaws and it being embedded and of course political dynamics and i'm very much here you karama and that's also all of the activists and survivors i know there is a loss of hope and increasing frustration because the body you have been
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established after the 2nd world war the united nations has tremendously failed syria and the syrian community in responding adequately for political reasons. but i think what we should focus in it's really using the legal tools that we have and that could work and what now that's university years and that's why i encourage us to really concentrate our efforts there because really we cannot change what russia thing we cannot change what china is doing or year round who's coming up where we can remain critical of it and of course we need to watch what's happening and why. but i think if if what we can do is really to use what we have around off and i think it was a really poignant question was because he's given testimony he's talking to other people who may well want to come forward why would they do that why was this bad ass so why would they come back to counsel things that happen to them if the process doesn't work that's what he's really asking valerie you pick up on that you
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know the process actually does work not every time and it's hard criminal cases in general a really complicated national system but imagine in universal jurisdiction jeezy's where as i was mentioning that the search for evidence of who broken to get is acquitted or and we think get more complicated even like finding witnesses how do you do that when your particular national because if you don't you have to to find witnesses for your case and then once you find some witnesses to make them to make them agree to this if i this is something again more difficult because for security reasons i mean let me just push you because come on was very brief and to the point he wanted to know does it last you say yes it does work yes it does work we can see could some cases i mean. so now the syrian case is that we are starting to see some results like of course we have arrest warrants you know friends and in germany against high ranks of the show of the syrian regime you had 3 persons that we are
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arrested 2 in germany one in france and among them at least we know one of them use a high rank and the other one in france we we don't know exactly he's a position but we know that person from a few shows. and we need to keep in mind that other cases in situations that seems really impossible that says the center of the case it seems it's the former president of chad you think it impossible to judge him to make him and he's been very ill and yet it happened why because witnesses engineer was as look all n.g.o.s and new businesses defied very important and it's very hard to read she calls about like protecting the witnesses and the victim on the ground and his wife and you are in syria or doing an amazing job and it's thanks to them that we can move forward and thanks to the great. you mentioned the victims on the
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ground and i want to go to you with this because there are people online who say they do have hope that this will work to your question that you're asking this is veronica and she says that for her the important thing is that these trials in germany are victim centered with syrians being able to send a complaint to police or prosecutors and make submissions and more she goes on to say being able to contribute directly to the trials will finally allow syrians to tell their story and to face their torturers in a court of law and she speaks from personal experience as the wife of a survivor of torture and assad's regime detentions i know how important it is for my husband to see his torturer finally in prison and not allowed to walk freely in europe or syria while syrians are still facing the psychological scars left by the torture so of course kind of that's only one anecdote there for someone who feels home full but for you can you relate to what she's saying do you have hope of true so you can you know. do hopeful. it is i think
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it was misunderstood in a way because the fact that i was going to vote is a human rights activist really you should know as people who are saying who say it is a matter of just for them to fill their stories and keep silence but it's an 8 years evolution that has been go in and some people when told list for me burson really i think i always tell my story me my mom and my brother but it's an old little boat. the things that we face so i do believe in the importance of telling the story and keep killing it for everyone i just feel like the functionalist he explained is to normal people who are the same species because we're talking about hundreds of thousands. do i hope do i have hope that things are going to go into some i don't know like into some accountability and justice inside syria this is a very large question when it comes to the fact that everything is happening right
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now inside syria is a bit to the side of the regime the expansion of this territory that the regime is taking over and also like everyone is withdrawing from that and live in it for iran bush and the regime to do whatever they want so the hope when it comes to us when it comes to the detention of some of those who tortured syrians yes hope for the future of syria is that something is going to have been and it's going to be sensitive people are going to go but we're not going to stay in europe we're not going to stay outside of syria i do have hope but in general the whole international no international system. they failed us a lot we were filled during this theory of evolution many times many red lights being crossed many many people died because when you're an international so you'll end interest because there's where in damascus were when demonstrations
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where well we're going to wrangle on that skeptical voice but pragmatic want to thank you for your time thank you to qur'an to live. and the house this conversation been going down online interesting all in with this from syria justice and accountability who says a full accounting for war crimes is not possible until serious prepare to grapple with violations but this court is the last refuge for syrian victims thank you gas thank you for watching c m x time. when you're from a neighborhood known as a hotbed of radicalism. you have to fight to defy stereotypes. but on the morning all shocks the stories we don't often hear told by the people who live them in all my.
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everyone i'm come on santa maria and this is the news hour from al-jazeera turkish forces continue to push deeper into northern syria taking villages on the kodesh control while civilians are caught in the middle. also in the news house democrats question america's former top diplomat in ukraine as part of the impeachment inquiry against president donald trump dirty tactics reports the united arab emirates paid nearly $2000000.00 to a u.s. lobbying firm in a campaign targeting al jazeera. and ethiopia's prime minister is awarded this year's nobel peace prize for his role in ending a decades long conflict with our truck. and in sports scotland's rugby bosses threaten legal action if their world cup match against japan is cancelled it's in down. scotland will go out of the solomons if the fixture is called off.
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today 3 of turkey's military offensive in northern syria and that has resulted in more casualties and force more civilians to flee their homes nato its chief is also joined a growing number of world leaders calling for restraint the turkish forces they push deeper into northeastern syria they say they've captured 15 villages and a kurdish checkpoint aerial strikes and heavy shelling of so far killed at least 15 civilians turkey says 3 of its soldiers have died in the operation and interestingly it says more than 300 kurdish fighters have surrendered up and killed the kurds store only putting that number 29 lot less meanwhile the united nations is my. 70000 people have been displaced and a warning if this fighting continues we could be talking about 300000 homeless well let's hear now from the nato chief u.n. stoltenberg who met turkey's foreign minister never saw you in istanbul and is expected to meet president as well later i shared with him my serious concerns
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about the ongoing operation and the risk of further destabilizing the region escalating tensions and even more human suffering why church they get to meet security concerns or expect churches to act with restraint we have a common enemy darvish a few years ago they controlled significant territory in iraq and in syria working together in the global coalition we have liberated all this territory 1000000 so people these gains must not be jeopardized will turkey denies the allegations that it is actually targeting civilians. is done to go to turkey has always been sensitive about civilians and we are hosting many migrants and refugees the y.p. gere's attacking christians in syria and are trying to portray it as if we are attacking them they are burning tires in order to break the vision of our aircraft
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and blaming turkey for bombing and burning places where civilians live this misinformation will never make us give up on this important fight we are fighting a terrorist organization and it is our duty to give the right information to the people. stratford now joining us now from tel and panache which is right on turkey's border with syria actually can you be even more specific and say which part of the border you are in and what it's like the child's. well yeah i mean in terms of this offensive we are on the eastern side of east if you like behind me is the town of the syrian town of russell ion and this is where some of the most heavily bombed by the turks has occurred over the last couple of days we saw in the last few minutes of watch it or artillery shells looks like artillery landing in and around that town. it's significant because this is the
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furthest east if you like of what the turkish military say is this 1st phase of this offensive an offensive that it will stretch or stretching so they say around 100 kilometers west down to the town of tel abi out that has been suggested that there is some sort of attempt at a pincer movement by the turkish military to take control of this initial 100 kilometers as we know they're trying to so they say set up this safety zone around 480 kilometers long but this this is this 1st phase we understand certainly according to them the s.d.f. tweets and. the f.s.a. as well sorry the free syrian army that up it's a pacing in this operation with the on the ground. we understand that areas like this in the countryside behind me is now occupied by or could well be
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occupied by turkish pro turkish forces and they are waiting. to basically push into a town a town like russell and we understand that the civilian population is all but gone certainly the majority of the civilians the reports we're hearing have fled and of course huge concern for the kind of humanitarian impact as this as this offensive goes on yeah actually tell us a little bit more about that child because as i mentioned in the intro the u.n. is putting some pretty big numbers up and saying if it gets to its worst we could be looking at hundreds of thousands displaced that's right i mean it's interesting that as we are still in the initial stages of this operation there are some incredibly large figures being put out by aid agencies by the united nations as well i think the big concern here is is this is
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the next stage as well as they turkish forces consolidate or try to consolidate their positions just how many civilians are still trapped in these areas as you say the turks. continue to say that they are not targeting civilian else trying to avoid civilians being killed they say they are not targeting civilian infrastructure but when you have people like the united nations for example the coordinating committee of humanitarian affairs for the u.n. saying that they're hearing reports of infrastructure having been hit vital infrastructure for example like sources of water. then you have the united nations human rights commission that has been very forthright in a report that it's written saying that it's got reports all for example people disappearing at checkpoints now this cannot be verified but checkpoints they say
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they seem to be set up in some of these areas by some of turkey's allies these fighters that have come over from syria to participate in this operation so there are concerns about human rights abuses that cannot be verified there are huge concerns about infrastructure being 8 and of course the 2 as you say what could well be according to some estimates up to 300000 people affected in this area and of course an area that has already suffered 8 years of a revolution inside syria so yeah a very worrying situation thank you for the update. there some live pictures to show you now as well the town of come ishmael which is one of the main kurdish towns in northeastern syria a car bomb detonated a little bit earlier so that just shows you as well as the. shelling from the turkish forces you got things like a car bomb going off there are reports of 3 civilians being killed there as well
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just adding to everything that charles are telling us about the attacks the humanitarian situation and here in this neighborhood of coming. thing in the kurdish areas of the northeast in syria a car bomb has gone off with reports of 3 civilians killed. meanwhile russia has expressed its concern over the impact this operation could have on detained i still find is in syria. i'm not sure whether the took a shower and will be able to take this under control and house or this is a real threat to us. more on this with vance than in moscow. a different tone here now coming from russia after a silence of a couple of days since the military operation started from the turkish side now president putin has raised concerns he says he has doubts that i can actually control the situation and prevent eisel fighters from fleeing from escaping from
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the prisons and even fleeing abroad and that's a really big concern for russia because one of the largest contingents of fighters in syria are from russian descent the 2nd largest language spoken in among ourselves fighters turns out to be russians so a lot of them are from dagestan and chechnya and one of the aims that russia had in fighting together with syria on this war was of course to control eisel and now after initially sort of indorsing the operation there by turkey by saying that the russia always understood the concerns that turkey had with its border security now the tone is changing and russia is raising these doubts also in the last couple of days russia was encouraging a dialogue between turkey and syria and even offered to help with that and also a dialogue between syria and the kurds and the russia of course is a main player in syria and wants to have more influence over the country and over
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the future of syria and also over the middle east and that's an increasing chance since the united states has been withdrawing its troops so it was going pretty well for russia but so far nothing of the dialogue has been established so and also syria has already made it clear that they don't want to have a dialogue with the courts so it is a bit of an increase in concern after this initial silence. the thoughts now of robert onus who is the emergency manager for syria doctors without borders he told us about how the group and civilians had to pull back from working in a hospital at one of the syrian border towns which is under attack we see people fleeing to the south many of them one expecting this conflict and so they have literally left with nothing more than what they can carry in their hands so they're arriving in the villages and towns for the south looking for accommodation all
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shelter in schools in marketplaces in in the houses of relatives or even strangers and we've been providing them with water and clothes as much as possible in these days if this continues certainly there's going to be significant medical needs for that population. as winter approaches and then there's a lot of women and children among. them or there's already a large scale displaced population within syria and within northeast syria who are living in camps who don't have the ability to be easily their houses being destroyed in previous complex. and they're heavily reliant on humanitarian assistance for food water medical care and shelter and so are now with these increasing needs you displacement potentially the need for medical on on plink. it's questionable whether the current humanitarian response is going to be able to
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meet all of that now iran says 2 missiles have struck an iranian oil tanker off the coast of saudi arabia in what is described as quote a dangerous adventure iran's foreign ministry says the city was attacked and set on fire in the red same the crew is reported safe and some oil has been so.

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