trust betrayal of trust in democracy in this country given we're in this chaos right now and given that you know there's this argument over who is legitimate where the sovereignty lies with finding this conversation why not then let the public decide how to resolve this mess that we're in by holding another vote i mean if you had lost the last referendum campaign 52 percent to 48 percent instead of winning it as you did 52 percent to 48 percent you would have been calling for another referendum now to you wouldn't you we wouldn't we wouldn't be where we are just a complete why did nigel for all of the leader of your party say in may 26th in a month before the referendum in a 5248 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. so there i'm not knowledge of her age i would never really thought the way richard persecuted there was a lot of those quotes when you heard them or not is irrelevant he did say it to the mirror he's never denied saying it but he said it would be unfinished business by a long way you can't just disown the leader away it's all to the way to not says something awkward the way democracy works is that you have elections every 5 years

right so if you lose an election you know you try and do better the next time you have a thing called loses consists and your colony leader said you have got a bias but if you lost democracy only works in this country if loses except they lost completely agree ok and you're leader said your leader said if the remains campaign i'm quoting your leader not to give me any of my views if the remain campaign wins 2 thirds to one 3rd that ends it you didn't win want 2 thirds to one 3rd so it's not over according to knowledge of fraud i don't have to agree with every word he said look if you want to review the referendum 1015 years down the track that's fine but you know you have to implement the will of the people 1st time around in the same way when you have the will of the people saying that will give you his decision is that abstinence stone people get to change their minds there is a general election and then say i would like the results i can have another vote really just i want to 2017 we might have one next month that's in 2 years. but the reality. of. what happened after the election to reason may want to just with

a hung parliament with the d.p. so she's the prime minister and she's trying to get out of the way she tried to go to 3 times she put a deal and you disagreed with that deal because it's a terrible deal is the worst it doesn't matter it was bracks if that's what you want wasn't right is not behind it we've always said that's not breaks it that is that's half and half or so what you're saying without it is that there are multiple forms of bricks in. which you learnt on the ballot paper in 2016 maybe there was leave on the ballot paper it wasn't it wouldn't leave somebody told you you were treason may well let's be honest leave means leave that's why i founded the group by definition it doesn't mean that that's why we're in this mess 3 words but it means nothing we'll talk about that beyond 3. words in a few moments we're going to keep it simple folks thought we did before we do just something that's been a big story here in the u.k. recently given an m.p. jo cox was murdered in the middle of the referendum campaign by a white nationalist who considered her to be a collaborator and a traitor do you think it's wise right now that politicians constantly talk of betrayal of traitors of surrender is an irresponsible for your party did and to

talk about picking up a rifle if bricks isn't delivered of taking a knife to civil servants in london is this not dangerous stuff which the word surrender is a normal part of the english language just like the trial if we can't use simple language like that that actually you are preventing free speech you know no one is banning you for you want to know what is banning you from that you were saying when you hear when you hear women in parliament saying they're getting death threats citing the prime which is of working is not does not make you feel a protest the jokes murder was absolutely hideous you know shocking and appalling on but never say don't we want to avoid another one happening by all moderating along of course about picking up a rifle and i think civil servant be saying you want to decapitate the prime minister david comes on the show last year but i'm also if you want to know for a large we can do what about of the. person i'm not responsible for other people i mean you're chair of the brics a body you actually are responsible for your for us as he's the leader of your party that's how it works otherwise you don't have to be the chair in politics you don't dictate what other people say you don't you have

a comment on it let's just be clear do you disagree with the language of rifle and knifing it's not language i would have used why i choose different language that's i live what i'm wondering what is on my own person because there's something wrong with what freud said like everybody's different ok so you're ok with that language i'm setting it clear you're ok with it everybody's different i would use different language it's fine ok let's bring in our panel here who are waiting patiently to come in jonathan lives is the deputy director of the european think tank british influence he's also a journalist contributor to the guardian prospect among others john of the you've called this new rhetoric the end of playing by the rules you say people have every right to be scared richard makes the point that the people on your side of the argument using so. pretty heated rhetoric too no one is using language which would incite violence on or my story that no one is accusing anyone of treason and when they're in if they ever did then i would completely disavow that's what we are seeing now is a very trump in style approach where there's an attempt to reframe language and to normalize out reframing because in order to take control of the people you have to

take control of the lexicon and let me bring in graham gudgeon who's a economist at cambridge university chief economic advisor at the conservative think tank policy exchange great you've been a big supporter of brics it boris johnson the prime minister the u.k. at the time of this recording has said that he will take britain out of the e.u. on the 31st of october he dodged questions of legality whether he would be breaking the law would you support that you somebody says we've got to break that no matter what parliament passes oh absolutely we've got to get this done now this is just gone on for too long companies are in trouble that they they don't know what to do they're begin vestments to make even those breaking the law just to be clear want to know where you stand there's a law that says you cannot do this now i don't think you should break the law but the law itself is just ridiculous it's technically hands over the power to the since we're not allowed to accept no deal you can offer any deal that the they want and they can offer any timescale they want and then they were going to parliament can say ok we're going to use the parliament the parliament the united kingdom which is so far as we start that you've surrendered the key issue of how long we

remain in. the european union i mean it's just let me make a suggestion parliament comics that is going to bring in our senior editor the progressive online media outlet novara media she also teaches political theory at the sandberg institute is the language around bricks it is it is as toxic as people seem to suggest it is well you know i think it's important to be passionate times when you feel passionately about politics i do have a specific question for you because a few weeks ago one of your parliamentary candidates for south north hampton shared rachel. tweeted that she totally agree with the lift calling for me personally to be either executed or imprisoned. do you think that this is appropriate conduct no i don't think that's appropriate and i want you to come to that we'll have to look at it and make a form with you i mean do you have a code of conduct about this kind of thing of course we do and is that and this calling for political appointees be executed against a code of conduct i would look at it of course i'll give you that i would give the

shirt right we have withdrawn the whip from one of our i mean because of a conflict of interest between his business interests and his role as an m.e.p. very very briefly is that it seems to me that there's a pattern of behavior when it comes to using language around violence by party supporters including niger for raj i remember the day of the referendum result they posted that in one without a single bullet being fired merely days after the murder of john cox so my next question would be these parts of party supporters who have been well it's a big divisive might 33 about what about david the other day it's ok to remain as the so let me ask a quick before we move on very quickly if you agree as you say you do we all agree that we want to reduce the likelihood of god forbid another attack or a murder of a member what give me your top proposal for. creating a britain where that doesn't happen what would you like to see happen get this job sorted so we can actually try and unify the country about successful economic performance afterward so that we can then i mean

a lot of rhetoric people's rhetoric you don't do any research this is such a divisive issue let's implement it and then we can all move on you talk about implementation richard you're running on a platform to leave the european union without a deal whether october 31st or beyond but just going back to 2016 when your side was telling the british people that they could leave the e.u. with a great deal with a trade agreement in place you'd be easy so i'm wondering why you deliberately misleading them back then we lived in them we ignorant about how difficult it was going to be which one is it neither what was it and why did you make those promises and why because actually what had proper leadership from someone who believed in breaks that we would have got that you didn't say vote great and this is a bad prime minister i don't like you. and we didn't. leave subject to a deal that everybody likes we said leave you went on the b.b.c. in the run up to the referendum you promised the view is that the u.k. would quote still have a friendly agreement negotiated with the e.u. in the 2 years after we vote no it's been 3 and frank said on the economics it'll be broadly the same that's what you're told and the good news is it would be even

better if there is no knowing it's going to be even better and your god be negotiating we would have had a deal and we would have been out by now even michael gove conservative cabinet minister one of the leaders of a vote campaign he says he said i quote we didn't vote to leave without a deal that wasn't the massive message of the campaign i help lead he's being honest about it why not just he's known it what he's not going to so we've got it wrong he's not being honest about it here's a man who a few months ago said that we were leaving with a good deal to reason is doing now he's in charge of leaving without a deal or a clean break breaks it and he's saying that's absolutely fine but you just can't trust a word that man says ok you know what else can we trust what you want to tell you we trust you to do what you can trust yes or trust not to go for ah yes when you know you won't ever arjun aaron banks who was the big donor to the levy has got nothing to do with a big donor to the levy you can't you have a referendum right now when you were saying in the referendum 3 of you norway free trade agreement none of that's on the table now now you're telling us to forget all that maybe we'll just own it why pretend you were always for

a no deal slash clean break so what did michel barnier say at the beginning of the negotiations he said if you want a simple free trade deal you can have one reason may rejected it and that's why we're in the mess we are only isn't you know only last week michel barnier had a meeting with one of my colleagues one of my party in the piece and he said if we leave with a with no deal with a clean break breaks it then they will start negotiating a free trade do the following week i mean you know what the economists are saying you know what the office of budget responsibility said about that the same people who said that would go into immediate recession would lose half a 1000000 job you said the pound would collapse and it did and we're employing a 1000000 people more than we did at the time the referent and you lowest rates of unemployment and well outperform in the euro zone well hold on hold on hold on one of the members of the monetary policy. bank of england says already the cost of brics is running at $40000000000.00 pounds a year how the i.m.f. which last time i checked didn't vote in the referendum so the totals are going to fairly priced on the u.k. g.d.p. is about 3 and a half percent by 2021 there are many led by christine lagarde right who said there will be a complete collapse so no i am asked about

a lot of british retail consortium that says prices will go up in supermarkets after no doubt that they'll be a shortage of food and they won't they won't know that so you know more than the person running sainsbury's and tesco yes frankly you know more than the bank of england because you know more than the more the bank of england because you know he's used every decision he's made about the interest rates being totally and utterly wrong when we leave on a clean break we can then make the solutions about what tariffs we cut so we can cut the tariffs of goods that we don't produce in this country consumer goods food you know you have to do that for everyone right under world trade organization rules if we don't get it so you have to reduce tariffs on everything on goods that we don't produce i've been to the very senior people there and they said well i went to them back in january and they said yes you could easily turn the 29 page political declaration into an article 24 heads of terms and actually that would be a sensible thing to do given where it's at who did you meet the w.t. i met a couple of very senior and one of the names i'm going to give you the names there well i'm telling you the director general of the w.t. or rather as

a vein says there will be costs and the cost may be very significant and i'm psyched about what his predecessor pascal lamy who run the w.b. forum says you'd be brutally jumping from trade league one to trade league 3 that's the director john of the w 2 and his predecessor but 2 anonymous people you may have guaranteed you things will be fine. don't put words in my that you want to say you just said i want to make sure i did and they said we could make some but i ask you their names you say i can't tell me them i didn't say i just they actually asked me not to say the names if you really want to know but the reality is they said what would you know what they thought we could do and should do i think that's obviously what we've always said that we should ask for an article 24 heads of agreement under the rules which basically means you agree the heads of terms you then basically incorporate terms you put into. and you've got the eyes of course that you know that can have that's absolutely the fundamental point of agreement is the 2 sides have to agree that he told us how it had to be and here is not going to agree to a cherry picked head to terms trade agreement if we don't give the e.u.

what they want which is citizens' rights to divorce payment and the arash parts of the e.u. has always had more leverage in the u.k. because it's wider it's more powerful it's rich than we are they can afford to acquire a reasonable doubt is the truth of the other misery and without so let me bring a very emotional and 1000000000 there almost but let me ask you this. the yellow hammer document from the government also is predicted possibly shortage of medicines food destruction at the border delays are you willing to concede that i know everybody to look at you know i have a document 25 pages it won't take you very long it is the most ridiculous document . it's not the it's garbage it's not a prediction it's what it's what they call a worst case scenario well actually they called it they called it a base scenario and then they renamed it when it was you know if they kept the base case scenario it would be beyond ridiculous it would be i mean this is an internal planning document from appropriate letterman just to be clear but they're part of the remain conspiracy as well let me tell you what this analysis was based on this just quotes from the document it's not my view if between 50 and 85 percent of

haulage companies were unable to fill in french customs forms not only on the 1st day but for 3 months and then half of them are unable to fill in these forms for 6 months then we'd have problems with the french customs and they did their own customs have been handing out forms to lower drivers for the last 6 months and this was why why would. you say there won't be any disruption after no deal right now i'm not saying that i'm going to be if there's any disruption will be fairly small jonathan very briefly respond that there will be a small disruption well i mean the government is as you say appropriate see government i say listen to the actual government which has no interest in ramping up the dangers that no deal they are saying that terrible things can happen we have a g.t. responsibility to listen to those rest and pay attention how can anyone read that document on a preview no deal is completely beyond me to bring you on something. or to bring you know something which you said about poland which i really like the 2nd one just just one thing is that fair now when you hear all the debates in british politics

about we were misled we should rerun the vote they were fully honest with us etc adviser for where do you stand on all that i'm what you call the euro skeptic remain which means that everyone and no one likes. me there are very strong arguments about why practice. it happened and i think the main one is the democratic principle which is when you vote for something regardless of what the letter of the law says about an advisory or not advisory. our political system relies on the trust of the electorate and i do think that there is a negative consequence for breaking that trust yes i do you also however think that there is no mandate for no deal if there was one parliament voted to strip the article 50 parliament has since changed its mind which is the right of parliament i've got a really. very very simple question for you and it's really straightforward i know that you don't hold truck with what's on the other hammer reports because those 2 things one is that lowest income families are likely to be hardest hit by the disruption and 2nd is that there may be some shortages of medicine now i know you

think but none of that's going to happen but if you could just put a number on it for me how many job losses happening and how many deaths from medicine shortages for you oh we're proud of that happening but. thank you that question has been the great thing is we're actually going to get more tense because it's going to be a huge success how many are going to come out you know what their risk because it's not your job but rather just told you we've created a 1000000 jobs because of that i guess you're going to the medicines point is really important briefly so. this ridiculous suggestion that you know we can have a medicines shortage let's just think folks you know one of our movies was with 4 french pharmaceutical companies just a fortnight ago and every single one of those executives most companies french pharmaceutical companies it's completely ridiculous of course we're going to keep selling a horse to be plenty of medicine is your question if we take a break if you're wrong about the medicines issue and the disruption the shortage of food i just want to know how do people hold you to account for that here we're now in an election that's how elections work if politicians stand up and say

something like well i'm quite happy to stand up and say. more about are you jealous of retailers was always hard it was never half empty i'm a positive optimistic sort of guy i think i mean it's a fine line there isn't isn't it as to that's the worry. always. misled you alluded . to we will have to take a break that your watching had to head we will be back in part 2 with richard ties and our panel and our very patient audience here in the oxford union to discuss what's happening with british public opinion is it more divided than ever before and what's the future for richard's party join us after the break. to strengthen the good you have to assure all the more with the fight against

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a track over disputed border territory and i have the al-jazeera news hour for you in less than half an hour coming up next head to head continues thanks for watching by. t. welcome back if you want to head to head on al-jazeera english my guest today is the business been turned politician richard tice who's chair of the breakfast party we're talking about what else breaks it richard a lot of minorities in this country people of color immigrants feel as if racism and xenophobia has gone up since the 2016 referendum a lot of the official stats on hate crimes on racist attacks a lot of the polls seem to support that view given the leave campaign ran an overtly nationalistic campaign some would say xenophobia campaign is it any surprise to you that racism and racist attacks have gone up in britain in recent years but i think to the extent there have that so that's

a tragedy and of course you know no one should welcome that you know my view on immigration has always been that this country has been very good at welcoming immigration but you have to have sensible immigration that works for your economy and in the last 10 years we've had immigration of over a quarter of a 1000000 a year and actually we've had 0 real wage growth for the least well off in society and you know that's what happened and people felt anxious about that what you're saying is a very legitimate view many politicians many people in the public hold that view about immigration but it's more about the tone for example that breaking point posted that some will remember here that was run. unveiled during the referendum campaign that had in some people's views not the undertones i mean michael gove who co-chaired the vote leave campaign the other leave campaign said he regrets the very harsh anti immigrant and foreign aspects of the campaign do you some stuff was said that probably should have been said in some of the stuff was difficult it was tough to do the breaking point post i think that was tough and it was a tragic trial is it racist was it racist to people have different views do you

think. i mean if you're going to do it was it racist you tell me what your view and i do think it was why why i just don't think we're. it was a picture that appeared let's remember on all sorts of newspapers in previous weeks the campaign you co-founded levy you is still active you've quit that campaign you have to be very clear just off the river and yes since then it's been accused of anti-semitism when it posted an image of a jewish billionaire george soros as a puppet master with tony blair it's been accused of islamophobia after post an image of london. next to the words on a stand in islamic fundamentalism do you condemn those anti semitic islam images by your islamophobia as i've said you can be held responsible for organizations actions i'm not asking do you condemn them yeah i don't like it i would have done it if i was involved i'm not involved ok i think it's really interesting isn't it how people try and continue to discredit and smear someone even though they've got nothing to do with all those issues discrediting what you've just tried to make literally as the rest of you can do if i said one organization and they did bad

things after i left and so was it you condemn or say yet i wasn't going to condemn it and i don't like it we're not like ok let's look at your current party to break the party knowledge of. the most famous predecessor in britain i think it's fair to say you've compared him to gandhi and mandela in this very chamber of you. and actually he he and i have to say that in terms of delivering lasting change absolutely ok let's be honest breaks it breaks it is a huge opportunity a seismic shift in the way this country's going to be run let me just finish my course that is the last i'm very sure that aggressive before before they turn in their graves further. has a long history of complaining about foreign languages being spoken on the train rumanians moving in next door to immigrants causing traffic jams a powerful jewish lobby can you really blame people for calling for it is the leader of your party and your party itself xenophobia even racist based on that kind of language. i just. don't remember those 3 i mean really

you only look at the brits that party we've got more diversity amongst our image than any other party in the european parliament. that doesn't cancel out if you have if you really really want candidates it will raise interest in may where you start raunchy it is going to get out of jail free card that you go if we were racist party would we have diversity and i didn't say a racist party as if you just claimed just inferred no not infer that i said can you blame people for thinking you're racist when your leader says that romanians moving in next door to him i do blame people people say they look at and they said it's racist you're saying they're wrong to say that i'm fine i did why they were just you know we are not a racist party you have a problem with romanians moving in next door to you. basically no i mean you. know. because he does distracting but it's not just for your former colleague and party to katherine blakelock who co-founded the breaks the party was forced to resign because she said islam is equal to slavery muslim men were impregnating

white british girls to create muslim babies and she retreated a leading u.k. neo nazi dozens of times she recently compared to the caribbean and said the tower hamlets looked like pakistan. and those are those are outrageous things to say and that's why she left the party almost immediately the moment it was set up when we did things which is a credit to a particular but then she's the founder of your party that's not just some random possible that's why we got rid of her but why did you set up the party you didn't know she was i was that i wasn't involved in that moment knowledge of chose someone to set up the party he maybe he didn't know what she was saying or tweeting or doing. ok. but for all when we leave any time soon well. i mean the idea that he's raised this is just wrong supplying wrong i know the bloke is no simple as that is it as simple as i just gave his answer for things that he said ok but i know him better than you i'm telling you he's going to be honest i'm glad you know better than i do let's go to our panel here who are listening so carr is

a senior editor at novara media she also teaches political theory at the sun begins to do your view since the brics a referendum took place in june 26th house racism gone up in the u.k. and can it be attributed to a single figure or campaign or movement or political is that too simplistic but give you an example of something that happened to me the day after the referendum campaign i took a walk with my friend in the morning and someone leaned in to buy the car faces and called me a brown seaward and then later on that day a group of men got in my face and started yelling bricks it right so for them that meant something when they saw an asian woman and then since then i've experienced more racism just walking around london than i have before in my life and my experiences are backed up by statistics you have huge increases in reported racist hate crimes now i'm not saying that it's caused by proxy i'm not saying anyone who supports that is racist but what i want to know is what your explanation is for why

so many racists seem to feel the breck that result validated the hateful and bigoted views and why they feel so able to act on them it's appalling thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you there is a justification it's appalling a lot actually consumers and i'm deeply sorry that you had those experiences of course but it seems to me that it's easy if you to condemn it when it's around them on the street when it's the leader of your party suddenly you're bending over backwards and contorting to explain why i mean everybody is arguing that you're saying one is not have. you know he's not a racist i know that he's not a racist a lot so let's go to jim is a progress an economist at cambridge university chief economic advisor to the think tank policy exchange green you were saying in part one that in addition to being a proud supporter you're also an academic you have to look at the evidence when there's a 22 percent rise since 2016 in the number of ethnic minorities reporting racism discrimination that they've experienced is that causation correlation how do you

link that to the e.u. referendum in your view i mean i think there's always problems when there's rapid cultural change in the society it's the speed which which matters there's a great majority in the u.k. and it's not just leaders actually it's a lot a lot of remain as well agree with the idea that you have to control migration that doesn't mean necessarily that you have to diminish it industry or they've actually increased immigration after they controlled it because people relax they think it's controlled really is another country where race is a tax have gone up so it's not exactly the best example to give in difference yes but the migration that we're going to control in the u.k. is european migration from european countries in the sense the same european rates if that's controlled i think we will probably will probably experience larger immigration from india middle east and other places but hardly suggests that this is a racist policy will only result in about the policy they will talk about the people involved jonathan is the deputy director of the pro european think tank british influence jonathan the language the restaurant workers and raise their language do

you blame your opponents for no look we have to look at the referendum campaign from 2016 which was overtly islamophobia i remember the post is saying turkey population 80000000 in brackets is about to join the e.u. and a series of steps leading to an open door that was a naked attempt to terrify and middle england into voting for breaks on islamophobia grounds and you had another poster not from your organization from boat leave which has turkey highlighted with a rock in syria on a map next them now that wasn't islam. very big on a mainstream islamophobia discourse i don't know what was so it's probably pretty quickly thank you very much if you want to ask about one of the good news is the job of the lawyer we agree on something that it. didn't come from us. but let's just remember it was government policy at the time david cameron's policy at the time was for turkey to join the european union that's actually not true. but you

know it's true i was very sly richard i'm not lying i worked the european parliament i worked in the foreign affairs committee where turkish membership was government a week it was a take of apparently one if he went to brussels you had no right to tell he was not joining for decades so simple a lot i thought i was very back at you and the other foreign minister to go on penny is pretty moot in that on television and say that britain actually had no veto over membership was simply not the way to terrify people it's very simple process how can we possibly say this is rejected. we're going to move on but i think look i want to just go away the point again it was u.k. government policy under david cameron you can join the euro 250 using the turkey was always about it was it was tough some tough stuff was done you say tough other people say racist where's the gap between tough and racist subjects if it's difficult just wonder where is your where does race and begin for you then with those kind of things it doesn't i do think i do think those posters were racist but they you know they were tough they were shot it was

a tough sharp end to the campaign tough and sharp is new euphemisms for what many people are a minimum time allows if that i'm allowed to use whatever language i want nobody said you are allowed to do what you divide media to follow do we stop what you're saying because you're attacking the language i use i've asked you to define your language your terms very loose toughen shop there's nothing loose about tough and sharp it's pretty clear actually is it as clear as bracks it means bracks yes it is and it's just as clearly me please you see you are you you're one of these you still think that it was leave subject to a do it wasn't it was leave i'm foolish enough to watch them and go on b.b.c. and 2016 call richard ties and say we will get a deal and if i'd been in charge we would have got to do ok but we didn't. therefore we should leave before we go to our very patient audience here in your studio one quick question about the brits that party we talked in part one a great deal about democracy an important democracy and yet your own party the brics a body has basically no internal democracy whatsoever it's run as a company with 2 directors you and nigel garage with registered supporters not members of it's run basically it's a dictatorship by you and that's one of the fast growing tech start up folks at the

end of the day democracy basically is at the ballot box and actually since usenet we've got things done we're only $25.00 weeks i mean i'm sure many dictators get things done around the world that's what dictators do doesn't mean it's a good thing it's a company structure your friend aaron bank says it's almost a dictatorship it's a normal company structure and people have the have the option to vote for it at the ballot box initialism it when they had that option they voted for one of national election securing 50 percent more votes than anybody else or maybe actually people focused on the opportunity of breaks it not only one percent of the vote a 3rd of the vote 50 percent more than any other part of 3rd of the vote i mean it's a great use of statistics a 3rd of the vote we won let's go to our audience who want to come in now let's go to someone at the back they do their hand up you're a businessman turned politician another businessman turned politician comes to mind that stone of. one of my frustrations sometimes that people in your position is that i feel that you shirk the social responsibility that comes with some of your

policies so what do you say to people like us who have been told things like go back where you come from when we've only ever lived in this country do you have anything to say to us other than i'm so sorry that happened to you i said earlier and i'm very sorry if that happened to you. of course we have social responsibilities as politicians absolutely agree with that you have policies on fighting racism yes we do what are we completely intolerant of intolerant towards the police and your policy or that is the policy that's a policy that's just another phrase what are your definition of a little this is a plan that a government can enact using the powers of this. changing laws around discrimination inequality changing the education system cracking down on discrimination. i'm not even a politician all those folks. thank you thank you. recently accused r t shark of hijacking the brags issue and claimed that the amount of trade crossing the irish border was to use your own words and i quote irrelevant can i

say as a point of information there is no such thing as an irishman and border it is a you came border imposed on the island of ireland the irish border is the sea if you think it is irrelevant can you now speak to the social and political implications to the people of northern or and if the hard border is introduced if you care so little a picture tells a 1000 words think of a glass jar with a 1000 small it is in it i was going to your knowledge which was horrific by the. thousands marti's those marches represent all of the trades that goes across all the $28.00 countries in europe ok the trade that goes across the border is between $1.00 and $2.00 smarties it is a tiny tiny amounts how dare you this is not about economics i've asked you about the social and political implications for the people of northern ireland if a hard border is not going to be introduced because everybody has again using

everyone is not going to. that's not what. he said there has to be we can't have animals coming across the border without being better than the people of northern ireland people in particular and everybody said everybody has said they're not going to impose a hard border the head of the police force in northern ireland says he worries this could be a trigger for violence is he part of a remain conspiracy as well i don't look the reality for you really you know more about policing in northern ireland in the course of it but there is no reason for that to be the case so when assistant chief constable barbara great grey who had sought the. terrorism unit in northern ireland says we predict that a 6 to 12 month period if there's a no deal brix it there could be an upsurge in violence that doesn't worry you at all of course everybody should be wired if you know you don't sound very worried you straight and i was about smarties and we're talking about the return of islands . where you are used to the economy thank you so much let's go back to violence let's if i don't have to deal with the violence point that we have no one wants pilots let's be very clear let's go back people are wanting of violence richard

what do you say to them i say why did the head of the e.u. own report into the border last carlson who had a report called smart borders to he said that under any situation any type of deal that could be a friction free border has said that's not the case and so i'm going to i'm going to go back to mr at the point because just before he was briefed the audience away but this is such a crucial as the lady quite rightly says under under enda kenny right he said with good will we can find the technological solutions he had good will unfortunately his successor didn't many under tried to hijack the disgrace to his own reasons ok let's go to the gentleman my question is about immigration from the e.u. to the u.k. couldn't the northern ireland border become a choke point because anyone in the e.u. has the right to go to dublin there is no visa no control no checks and supposedly if there's no border just walk across the border ok so my question is what we do about that would you put

a controls between northern ireland or nothing but knowing that ok so then there would be free floating immigration into the u.k. then from that there's been a common travel area in. northern ireland for 100 years and of course that would remain so you're ok with people coming in from the e.u. through the frictionless border you know that would have is that what leave me leave. the real i don't think it'll happen but to the extent it does you know we'll have to look at it ok. when we leave on the brakes in portuguese woman and i want to know what will happen to my rights because this settlement scheme didn't work for me i gave your country my youth what will you give me. thank you very much that question it's a great question. with. the scheme is there at the moment it sounds that have you just recently tried to get settled status my status was frozen for 5 months my embassy is helping me i felt very frustrated i'm sure and i sympathize and i'm very sorry about that because since 92 for how much of how many years

you've been in the u.k. just feel empty 20 years and you're now worried about your future posts. and she started to talk i was attacked attacked many times you can put on one you can put on i'm sorry can i listen in straight after the referendum i said the very 1st thing we should do is we should say that everybody is every e.u. citizens rights were absolutely guaranteed i said on question time in november 16 and i was prepared for it but by a labor m.p. are you but do i absolutely feel i was absolutely right since you're right to sort this in your country it's your country but if you start our conversation by saying dialing this fall in you didn't differentiate by anybody then we wouldn't be divided like this ok we're going to respond to that i didn't say they are useful i've always said i welcome immigration on a sensible controlled basis let's go back to the audience and here's we're waiting in the front so the back to party is claiming to be sort of an answer to labor in

a lot of working class communities so why was your 1st policy brought out to get rid of inheritance tax like who you really you know you're going to not. because that was your 1st policy right. that was not 1st policy our very 1st policy was actually to invest over 100000000000 quid in the regions that have been left behind we announced on the 30th of june at our political rally we said how we're going to pay for it and actually you know it's those regional road and rail scheme is going to help the least well off and the same with the insurance tax point no that is a very regressive tax it helps rich people in this country that's not really standing up for the f.b.i. and it's actually it's in. it's the most unpopular most hated tax in the u.k. and we think it's we think it's unfair we think it's agree just say this to the benefits from a cut in america that would go to the richest states states with over a 1000000 pound we've got policies on the left and the middle on the right but that is the most unpopular tax and we think it would actually it's been pretty well received very little briefly coming you when you are very very company that you set

up an 1001 property group documents past me democracy showed that over 40 percent of it is owned by 2 firms one based in panama one based in british virgin islands so why should we trust you on the direction of this country when a company that you set up most of its deficit and dividends go through tax havens and some country simply not true i mean thank you very much i was just because i'm a u.k. army u.k. taxpayer i was one of the shareholders are about a dozen shares in that business there u.k. shareholders and they pay you to be i'm happy to be corrected to one very quick question do you own the inferior holdings ltd in panama canal shuttlecock holdings ltd or in the british nation either absolutely. nothing to do or even i think 0 the president to break support or cracking down on the breaks about to be cracking down on tax havens when it's in office yeah tell you why i tell you why because we believe we believe in high growth low taxation if you have low taxation in this

country then you reduce the need for people to look at tax avoidance judgement here in the lecture given that the campaign has been found to broken electoral law by the electoral commission why should we respect the results of a referendum on illegal means well firstly person thank you thank you it wasn't won by illegal means but there was a there was a law for referendum over 30000000 people participate in that referendum the votes were counted and we won by over a 1000000 votes and then all that was a reality and then after it was done you were saying it's a matter of some amount. overspending that's cheating some might say it's not cheating on you personally especially around online can we just not cheating just on the 70 grand that levy was fined you paid that fine but i don't know i'm not involved in leave don't you have no idea but you were at the time with a fine cover the period you were in charge of what i was a lot i was a co-founder of it i generally don't know i'm 70 grand so you can understand i was going to remain and say come on this isn't fair that one of the main items

campaigning got fined for overspending on the stand my people say that and it's usenet because pretty patel the current home search area asked the electoral commission to investigate why the remaining campaign set up 5 companies in the last month so they could spend an extra 1000000 quid illegally and the letter commission wouldn't investigate why because it's ok but just to be clear believe you did pay 70 grand fine for overspending in your referendum but no one's disputing the other well i don't know because i don't know if they paid a 70 grand finals pretty big news because i'm not a director of i wasn't over there we don't need to be involved to know what's happening in the news what i want to worry you know what i do know is that mr they've subsequently been exonerates haven't they they've been so they've got the 70 grand back i told you i don't know what to do know is i meant police are you can pick and choose what you know because the middle east i don't know you said suddenly you know about the story suddenly you don't i can tell you what i can tell you was public information which is the met police i'm going to actual crime agency have confirmed that leaves out to you did not carry out any illegal criminal

activity gentlemen if i ask you 50 was to be revoked 2 together what was your prediction be for the future of british politics are you someone who wants to see it revoked not revoked. 20 from southeast london and i for the brits a party that. so i think that i think would be absolutely disastrous trust in democracy in this country would collapse even further than it currently is i mean it would be the most appalling thing. let me ask you this one last question before we finish let's say you get your wish and this no deal breaks it clean break happens if not on october 31st and shortly after and let's say i know this is hard for you to hear you're wrong and the economists at the bank of england the o.b.o. are right and there's a housing crash there's a fall in g.d.p. there's inflation there's employment at that point will you say nope it was all still worth it bracks it was worth the cost when you say maybe we got this wrong well there's different elements there's the economic issue and i think i'm right if

i'm wrong people won't vote for us it's very simple but it is the other issues in terms of what's going to exist in terms of sovereignty you we get back our sovereignty from the european union back to parliament and back to the people so that is you know that is that is something that is absolutely priceless we must achieve that and that is priceless just to be clear that there is a recession you think but we got our freedom back yes i think that even though you would be suffering from that recession is that if there's a recession everybody suffers i do the same way richard you won't be suffering as much as some of the low income communities or as i've said before that actually if we have a clean break breaks it we can cut tariffs immediately on the items of the goods that actually producing those prices will benefit the least well of the poorest paid in our society the most and that's a good thing on that note we have to leave it there thank you to our patient audience in the oxford union thank you to our panel of experts thank you to richard teuscher becoming much thanks to our show us thank you dad you guys thanks terry.

halla you could use the word drag for new south wales parts of queens and having had a little rain during what should have been a rather wetter winter but now look what's happening during spring a massive form hail and proper rain running back into farming country and running up the coast of queensland as well i was not going to change things hugely but it's nice to see it all the same however if you're on the beach in sydney for example in

16 degrees you would think quite the same way but there's the green forecast and it was rain showers again from queens in new south wales not quite in the victoria still not very warm in tasmania but it is nice in adelaide and starts about in perth out of the birth is showing rather more clouds in the pick up similar story on sunday but rather less of everything with less in the way of showers the less in the way is chill for tasmania is warmed up of it it's also improving situation i think you'll agree for new zealand that massacre that will persistent rain is disappearing now and that should mean clear skies so the forecast then what is saturday for you mostly fine will be a cloudy or a bit of rain in the far north and it's even better on sunday must quick to look north 30 japan and it's typhoon season still and this one heading for turkey.

didn't the u.s. treasury or just a good months ago say that a chinese muslims mcgillis we bring you the stories and developments the dramatically changing the world we live in what's behind the eyes of piracy. counting the cost on al-jazeera. this is al-jazeera. hello i'm barbara starr and this is the al-jazeera news hour live from london thank you for joining us coming up in the next 60 minutes turkey presses forward with its

offensive in northern syria 100000 people leave their homes. the u.s. says it's deploying $3000.00 more troops to saudi arabia as tensions soar with iran and a man of courage you helped end one of africa's longest running conflicts ethiopia's prime minister wins this year's nobel peace prize. and in school scotland's wrong people says threats and legal action if the world cup match against japan is cancelled it's in down due to time $300.00 scotland will go out of the tournament if the fixture is called off. the u.s. is beefing up its military presence in the gulf as tensions simmer between tehran washington and some of the arab world's most powerful countries the pentagon says it's sending $3000.00 additional troops to saudi arabia to bolster the kingdom's

the fences following an assault on oil facilities last month september's drone attacks targeted the heart of the saudi energy industry and briefly knocked out half of its output yemen's who the rebels claimed responsibility for those attacks but the u.s. and saudi is have been quick to point the finger at iran the u.s. military has on alert additional army navy marine and air force units to quickly provide increased capability in the region if necessary. the united states remains committed to protecting our allies ensuring the free flow of resources need to support the global economy and demonstrating our commitment to upholding the rules based international order i urge other like minded countries especially our allies in europe to follow the united states lead and join us with our own defense of assets to ensure stability in the region. jordan joins us now from washington d.c. resident what else do we know about the reasons behind the u.s.

sending these additional troops to saudi arabia. well barbara they're saying that there's been not just this incident on september 14th where the. oil processing facilities were targeted and damaged partially by these drones and some cruise missiles the u.s. as well as several european intelligence agencies confirmed that this attack had to have been launched from southwestern iran and so they're all holding the government in terre haute responsible but a little bit later on friday we also heard from the special representative for iran brian hook who basically said that the u.s. has been seeing more provocative behaviors coming from tehran in the past 4 weeks or so since that attack and that this is basically trying to make certain that a key defense ally as it were saudi arabia would be better protected and better

able to protect itself from iranian or attacks from any other place for that matter do we know the role that these troops would have a do we think initially just than an issue of being at the terran. well they didn't want to get more specific on exactly what these troops would be doing but i think when you look at the list of equipment that's been deployed it gives you a better sense of what they might be doing you get to fighter squadron so that seems as if that means more air patrols to make certain that there isn't any any iranian jets trying to encroach in saudi airspace or trying to carry out any bombing raining bombings or any missile strikes you also. you know this intimation that there will be more patrolling perhaps in the waters between iran and saudi

arabia it is worth pointing out barbara that one of the things that brian hook did do on friday was to urge european allies to actually participate in what the u.s. has been calling its maximum pressure campaign to provide more military surveillance not just in the gulf but in the airspace above the gulf as well really trying to make certain that as many eyes as possible are on what the iranian military is or is doing and really to try to curb its activities in that realm i guess what makes this move a little bit surprising is that it comes a few days after president trumpet publicly and controversially decides to pull out troops from northern syria and we're now seeing the fallout of turkey attacking kurdish fighters in northern syria and would be allies of the u.s. so on the one hand the president is taking troops out of the middle east in syria

but putting more in saudi arabia. well certainly u.s. officials were questioned about that on friday and they took a bit of umbrage as it were that there seems to be this undercutting of what the president donald trump has long said he wants to do which is to dial back the u.s. military presence in the middle east to in essence stop being the world's policeman and to stop being the mediator in so many regional conflicts what both defense and state department officials tried to stress is that they reserve the right as the u.s. government to prepare and to be ready to deal with any sort of an expected contention c. but they did also note that there are going to be forces leaving the region anyway because of regular rotations and that the president is still very much committed to getting u.s. forces out of harm's way but certainly they did not appear to satisfy this

this contradiction that seems to be very much apparent. also in jordan for the moment thank you for that development. of reasons and the reaction there from the u.s. for let's bring you some breaking news now coming out of the middle east in northern syria there's been an explosion near a u.s. base in northern syria with turkish shelling in the area so for more on this let's talk to charles stratford who is in the turkish district of poor nash on the border with syria so this happened very recently charles what else do we know about this explosion. that's right certainly according to u.s. official in a syria monitoring group. there was a projectile that landed close to u.s. base near the town of co bonnie. there were. rumors initially

that the base had been directly hit. it transpires now according to was a statement that was given to the news agency a.p. . saying that given to them by this u.s. official that the projectile did not hit the base but was around about a kilometer away. the turkish defense ministry have come out with a statement which seems to verify that saying that they came under attack from what they describe as mortar shells in an area close to the base they say they responded and then they stopped immediately on the americans telling them to again just highlights how difficult the situation is here along the borders when there are american soldiers in these outposts we know that they have pulled back

certainly from this area where this ongoing operation is happening but there are still american so. just very much in syria very much in this area. so yeah as i say it shows you what a tense situation potentially inflammatory situation we're in at the moment we know that the americans and the turks share their coordinates i mean there has been some sort of twitter activity of amongst certain commentators saying the turks are being incompetent or not taking enough care and attention in this military offensive accusing them of not using the called let's. paying attention and off to these called insult these u.s. outposts but certainly it seems now according to the statements put out by these by the u.s. sources and by the turkish military. minister of defense ministry of

defense that a very nearly explosive situation has been avoided. generally though charles tell us a little bit more about the impact that this turkish offensive in northern syria is having when it comes to the humanitarian situation being hearing of 100000 people displaced. that's right. well you can imagine so we're hearing from various sources that the turkish military are indeed pushing further into syria. we know that the area that i mean at the moment behind me the town of russia line which is been. under bombardment for the last 2 or 3 days we hear that. turkish forces are. effectively almost sort of surrounding that town we understand that the civilian

population flayed a couple of days ago. and that's a similar scenario in other towns along this border and the cumana. hereon organizations are very concerned that. the thousands that are fleeing from these areas are not going to be able to get the kind of humanitarian assistance that that they will need bear in mind that many of these people have already been internally displaced in syria throughout the 8 and a half years of the syrian conflict. so no bananas ations are saying that it's difficult enough to to get aid to them because of the security situation in some areas and you can imagine when they're all heavy weapons being used. and there is those that are often seriously concerned about the potential threat for from beisel for example. as the state that this soft. military

operation goes on there are serious concerns about how. those in need of humanitarian aid could could be assisted so. a very very difficult situation charles stratfor with the latest there from the turkish district of chillon point ashleigh the border with syria trounce thank you. you know iran's says one of its oil tankers has been attacked off the coast of saudi arabia the state news agency says the vessel which is known as the bt was hit by 2 missiles in the space of half an hour while the ship was sailing 100 kilometers off the saudi port city of jeddah it's now under way again and the crew are reported to be safe sane bus driver has more from tehran. iran's foreign ministry confirmed on friday that in the early morning hours one of its oil tankers was targeted in the eastern part or of the red sea approximately 100 kilometers off the coast of saudi arabia the sub at the experience 2 explosions 20 minutes apart.