we will implement our decision and it's a once in a generation decision and you then renege on that it's not surprising we face the biggest lack of trust betrayal of trust in democracy in this country given where in this chaos right now and given that you know there's this argument over who is legitimate where the sovereignty lies with finding this conversation why not then let the public decide how to resolve this mess that we're in by holding another vote i mean if you had lost the last referendum campaign 52 percent to 48 percent instead of winning it as you did 52 percent to 48 percent you would have been calling for another referendum now to you wouldn't you we wouldn't we wouldn't be where we are just a complete why did nigel for all of the leader of your party say in may 26th in a month before the referendum in a 5248 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. so there i'm not knowledge of her age i would never really thought the way richard persecuted there's a lot of those quotes where you heard them or not is irrelevant he did say it to

the mirror he's never denied saying it but he said it would be unfinished business by a long way you can't just disown the leader away it's all to the way to not says something awkward the way democracy works is that you have elections every 5 years so if you lose an election you know you try and do better the next time you have a thing called loses consists and your policy leaders said. if you lost democracy only works in this country if loses except they lost completely agree ok and your leader said your leader said if the remains campaign i'm quoting your leader i'm not to give you any of my views if the remain campaign wins 2 thirds to one 3rd that ends it you didn't win want 2 thirds to one 3rd so it's not over according to niger for all i don't have to agree with every word he said look if you want to review the referendum 1015 years down the track that's fine but you're you have to implement the will of the people 1st time around in the same way when you have the will of the people saying that will give you his decision is that abstinence stone people get to change their minds there is a general election and then say i would like the results i can have another vote really just i want 2017 we might have one next month that's in 2 years. but the

reality. of. what happened after the election to reason may want to just with a hung parliament with the d.p. so she's the prime minister and she's trying to get out of the way she tried to get to 3 times she put a deal and you disagreed with that deal because it's a terrible deal is the worst it doesn't matter it was bracks if that's what you're watching brain is not behind it we've always said that's not breaks it that is that's half and half or so what you're saying we're not sure it is that there are multiple forms of bricks in this which weren't on the ballot paper in 2016 maybe there was leave on the ballot paper it wasn't it wouldn't leave somebody told you you want reason may work or let's be honest leave means leave that's why i founded the group by definition it doesn't mean that that's why we're at this best 3 words but it means nothing we'll talk about that beyond 3. words in a few moments but he's going to keep it simple folks thought we did before we do just something that's been a big story here in the u.k. recently given an m.p. joe cox was murdered in the middle of the referendum campaign by a white nationalist who considered her to be a collaborator and

a traitor do you think it's wise right now that politicians constantly talk of betrayal of traitors of surrender is an irresponsible for your party to talk about picking up a rifle if bricks isn't delivered of taking a knife to civil servants in london is this not dangerous stuff which the word surrender is a normal part of the english language just like betrayal if we can't use simple language like that that actually you are preventing free speech you know no one is banning you for you want to talk no one is banning you from that you were saying when you hear when you hear women in parliament saying they're getting death threats citing the prime which is of working is not does not make you feel a protest the jokes murder was absolutely hideous you know shocking and appalling but never say don't we want to avoid another one happening by all moderating along of course about picking up a rifle and knifing civil servant about adobe saying he wanted to decapitate the prime minister when a david comes on the show last year what i'm also going to do for a large we can do what about of the. person i'm not responsible for other people i

mean you're chair of the brics a body you actually are responsible for your for us as he's the leader of your party that's how it works otherwise you don't have to be the chair in politics you don't dictate what other people say you don't you have a comment on it let's just be clear do you disagree with the language of rifle and knifing it's not language i would have used why i choose different language that's i live what i'm wondering what is on my own person because there's something wrong with. everybody's different ok so you're ok with that language i'm setting it clear you're ok with everybody's different i would use different language it's fine ok let's bring in our panel here who are waiting patiently to come in jonathan lives is the deputy director of the european think tank british influence he's also a journalist contributor to the guardian prospect among others john of the you've called this new rhetoric the end of playing by the rules you say people have every right to be scared richard makes the point that the people on your side of the argument using. pretty heated rhetoric. no one is using language which would incite violence on or my story that no one is accusing anyone of treason and when they're in if they have a date then i would completely disavow that what we're seeing now is

a very trumpy in style approach where there's an attempt to reframe language and to normalize out reframing because in order to take control of the people you have to take control of the lexicon and let me bring in graham gudgeon who's a economist at cambridge university chief economic advisor at the conservative think tank policy exchange great you've been a big supporter of bricks it boris johnson the prime minister the u.k. at the time of this recording has said that he will take britain out of the e.u. on the 31st of october he dodged questions of legality whether he would be breaking the law would you support that you somebody says we've got to do that no matter what parliament passes oh absolutely we've got to get this done now this is just gone on for too long companies are in trouble that they they don't know what to do they're begin vestments to make even those breaking the law just to be clear want to know where you stand there's a law that says you cannot do this now i don't think you should break the law but the law itself is just ridiculous it's technically hands over the power to the since we're not allowed to accept no deal you can offer any deal that the they want

and they can offer any timescale they want and then they were going to parliament can say ok we're going to use the parliament the parliament the united kingdom which is so far as we start that you've surrendered the key issue of how long we remain in. the european union i mean it's just let me make a suggestion parliament comics that is going to bring in our senior editor the progressive online media outlet novara media she also teaches political theory at the sandberg institute is the language around bricks it is it is as toxic as people seem to suggest it is well you know i think it's important to be passionate times when you feel passionately about politics i do have a specific question for you because a few weeks ago one of your parliamentary candidates for south north hampton shared rachel. tweeted that she totally agree with the lift calling for me personally to be either executed or imprisoned. do you think that this is appropriate conduct no i don't think that's appropriate and i was a little bit come to that we'll have to look at it and make a form with you i mean do you have

a code of conduct about this kind of thing of course we do and is that in this calling for political appointees be executed against a code of conduct well i would look at it of course i'll give you that i would give the shirt right we have withdrawn the whip from one of our i mean because of a conflict of interest between his business interests and his role as an m.e.p. very very briefly is that it seems to me that there's a pattern of behavior when it comes to using language around violence by party supporters including niger for raj i remember the day of the referendum result they posted that then one without a single bullet being fired merely days after the murder of john cox so my next question would be these parts of party supporters who have to live along the way it's a big divisive might be thought about what about david the other day it's ok to remain is to say let me just quit before we move on very quickly if you agree as you say you do we all agree that we want to reduce the likelihood of god forbid another attack or a murder of a member what give me your top proposal for. creating

a britain where that doesn't happen what would you like to see happen get this job sorted so we can actually try and unify the country about successful economic performance afterward so that we can then i mean a lot of rhetoric people's rhetoric you know any research this is such a divisive issue let's implement it and then we can all move on you talk about implementation richard you're running on a platform to leave the european union without a deal whether october 31st or beyond but just going back to 2016 when your side was telling the british people that they could leave the e.u. with a great deal with a trade agreement in place it would be easy so i'm wondering why you deliberately misleading them back then we lived in them we ignorant about how difficult it was going to be which one is it neither what was it and why did you make those promises and why because i actually would have proper leadership from someone who believed in breaks that we would have got that you didn't say vote great unless there's a bad prime minister that i don't like. and we didn't. leave subject to a deal that everybody likes we said leave you went on the b.b.c. in the run up to the referendum you promised the view is that the u.k. would quote still have a friendly agreement negotiated with the e.u.

in the 2 years after we vote no it's been 3 and frank said on the economics it'll be broadly the same that's what you told him the good news is it would be even better if it was no longer and it's going to be even better and your if i be negotiating it we would have had a deal and we would have been out by now even michael gove conservative cabinet minister one of the leaders of the vote campaign he said he said i quote we didn't vote to leave without a deal that wasn't the massive message of the campaign i help lead he's being honest about it why not just he's known it what he's not going to so we've got it wrong he's not being honest about it here's a man who a few months ago said that we were leaving with a good deal to reason is doing now he's in charge of leaving without a deal or a clean break breaks it and he's saying that's absolutely fine but you just can't trust a word that man says ok you know what else can we trust what you want to tell you we trust you to do what you can trust yes or trust not go for our yes when you know you won't ever arjan aaron banks who was the big donor to the levy was going to nothing to do with a big donor to the levy you can't buy them to have a referendum right now when you were saying in the referendum 3 of you norway free

trade agreement none of that's on the table now now you're telling us to forget all that maybe just own it why pretend you're always for a no deal slash clean break so what did michel barnier say at the beginning of the negotiations he said if you want a simple free trade deal you can have one reason may rejected it and that's why we're in the mess we are only isn't you know only last week michel barnier had a meeting with one of my colleagues one of my party in the piece and he said if we leave with a with no deal with a clean break breaks it then they will start negotiating a free trade do the following week i mean you know what the economists are saying you know what the office of budget responsibility said about that the same people who said that would go into immediate recession would lose half a 1000000 job you said the pound would collapse and it did and we're employing a 1000000 people more than we did at the time the referent and you lowest rates of unemployment and well outperform in the euro zone well hold on hold on hold on one of the members of the monetary policy. bank of england says already the cost of brics is running at $40000000000.00 pounds a year how the i.m.f. which last time i checked didn't vote in the referendum so the totals are going to

try so on u.k. g.d.p. is about 3 and a half percent by 2021 they are better led by christine lagarde right who said there will be a complete collapse so no i am asked about a lot of british retail consortium that says prices will go up and supermarkets offer no drugs or they'll be a shortage of food and they won't they won't know the people so you know more than the person run sainsbury's and tesco yes frankly you know more than the bank of england because you know more than you know more the bank of england because you know he's used every decision he's made about the interest rates being totally and utterly wrong when we leave on a clean break we commemorate the solutions about what tariffs we cut so we can cut the tariffs of goods that we don't produce in this country consumer goods food you know you have to do that for everyone right under world trade organization rules if we don't get it so you have to reduce tariffs on everything on goods that we don't produce i've been to the very senior people there and they said well i went to them back in january and they said yes you could easily turn the 29 page political declaration into an article 24 heads of terms and actually that would be a sensible thing to do given where it's at who did you meet the w.t.

i met a couple of very senior one of the names i'm going to give you the names there what i'm telling you the director general of the w.t. or rather as a vader says there will be costs and the cost may be very significant and i'm psyched about what his predecessor pascal lamy who run the w.b. forum says you'd be brutally jumping from trade league one to trade league 3 that's the director john of the w 2 and his predecessor but 2 anonymous people you may have guaranteed you things will be fine and don't put words into my but you want to just i want to make sure i do they said we can make out i ask you their names you say i can't tell me them i didn't say i just they actually asked me not to say the names if you really want to know but the reality is they said what would you know what they thought we could do and should do i think that's absolutely right we've always said that we should ask for an article 24 heads of agreement under the rules which basically means you agree the heads of terms you then basically incorporate terms you put into. and you got your eyes on course that you know that can have that's absolutely the fundamental point of agreement is the 2 sides have to agree that he told us how it

is here is not going to agree to a cherry picked head to terms trade agreement if we don't give the e.u. what they want which is citizens' rights the divorce payment and the arash parts of the e.u. has always had more leverage in the u.k. because it's wider it's more powerful it's rich than we are they can afford to acquire really should only allow is the truth of the other misery and luxury and without so let me bring a very emotional and 1000000000 there almost but let me ask you this. the yellow hammer document from the government also is predicted possibly shortage of medicines food destruction at the border delays are you willing to concede that you know everybody to look at you have to have a document 25 pages it won't take you very long it is the most ridiculous document . it's not so it's garbage it's not a prediction it's what it's what they call a worse case scenario well actually they called it they called it a base and then they renamed it when it was you know if they kept the base case scenario it would be beyond ridiculous it would be i mean this is internal planning

document from appropriate letterman just to be clear but they're part of the remain conspiracy as well let me tell you what this analysis was based on this just quotes from the document it's not my view if between 50 and 85 percent of haulage companies were unable to fill in french customs forms not only on the 1st day but for 3 months and then half of them were they able to fill in these forms for 6 months then we'd have problems with the french customs and they did their own customs have been handing out forms to lower drivers for the last 6 months and this was why why would. you say there won't be any disruption after no deal right now i'm not saying that i'm going to be if there's any disruption to be fairly small one of the very briefly respond that there will be a small disruption well i mean look the government is as you say appropriate see government i say listen to the actual government which has no interest in ramping up the dangers that no deal they are saying that terrible things can happen we have a g.t. responsibility to listen to those rest and pay attention how can anyone read that document on

a preview no deal is completely beyond me to bring you on something. or to bring you know something which you said about which i really like the 2nd one just just one thing is that fair now when you hear all the debates in british politics about we were misled we should rerun the vote they were fully honest with us etc advisor for where do you stand on all that i'm what you call the euro skeptic remain which means that everyone and no one likes. me there are very strong arguments about why practice. it happened and i think the main one is the democratic principle which is when you vote for something regardless of what the letter of the law says about an advisory or not advisory. our political system relies on the trust of the electorate why do you think that there is a negative consequence for breaking that trust yes i do you also however think that there is no mandate from there was one parliament voted to strip the article 50 parliament has since changed its mind which is the right of parliament but i've got a really. very very simple question for you and it's really straightforward i know that you don't hold truck with what's in the other hammer reports because 2 things

one is that lowest income families are likely to be hardest hit by the disruption and 2nd is that there may be some shortages of medicine now i know you think that none of that's going to happen but if you could just put a number on it for me how many job losses are happening and how many deaths from medicine shortages for you oh we're proud of that happening but. frankly that question has been the great thing is we're actually going to get more tense because it's going to be a huge success so how many are going to come out you know what their risk because it's not your job but rather just told you we've created a 1000000 jobs most of it ok if you're going to the medicines point this is really important briefly so. this ridiculous suggestion that you know we can have a medicines shortage let's just think folks you know one of our movies was with french pharmaceutical companies just a fortnight ago and every single one of those executives most companies french pharmaceutical companies said it's completely ridiculous of course we're going to keep selling and horse to be plenty of medicine is your question if we take

a break if you're wrong about the medicines issue and the disruption the shortage of food i just want to know how do people hold you to account for that here now in an election that's how elections work you know if politicians stand up and say something like well i'm quite happy to stand up and say. more about how you tell isn't retailers was always harder so it's never half empty i'm a positive optimistic sort of guy i think i mean it's a fine line there isn't isn't that as to that's the worry. always yeah. you're deluded ok. we will have to take a break you know what you had to head we will be back in part 2 with richard ties and our panel on the very patient audience here in the oxford union to discuss what's happening with british public opinion is it more divided than ever before and what's the future for richard's brix a party join us after the break. a

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a government building thousands of people have been demonstrating in the city for days they're angry at new austerity measures that have led to higher fuel prices and iraq war has the latest from. tensions remain high in ecuador there is now a curfew that's in effect of the government has ordered the military to take control of the streets in public spaces not only here in the ecuadorian capital people but across the country there are still thousands of demonstrators that are defying that curfew meaning that clashes are expected to continue this evening you know there have been plans for talks the government the president of the country has called for a national dialogue with indigenous leaders but many of the people that we've spoken to here on the streets of people who see that that time has come and gone they're not willing to go to the negotiating table they're seeing that the situation has already gotten out of the control out of the hands of of the government and the there's been hundreds more people that continue to rise continue

to rise from different parts of the country to lend their solidarity so it's no longer just an indigenous movement that's that's protesting against austerity measures to the end to fuel subsidies for rural communities this is now encompassing different parts of society that want different things and what people are saying is that people lost confidence in the government and they're calling for the resignation of the president as in germany have stopped the weapons exports to turkey over its offensive on kurdish groups in northern syria the operation is now in its 4th day and turkish forces say they have taken control of a strategic border town though the kurds deny this 7 people have been killed in attacks in northeastern nigeria locals say gunmen affiliated with deisel raided a military post in the town of gosh uganda and borno state on friday and you're by village was also attacked as sense of japan city of callous occupied big and moving debris a day after typhoon haiyan best made its destructive landfall and the storm paralyzed pan's capital tokyo on saturday before moving to the north at least 7 people have

died and 15 are missing after the headlines keep it on al-jazeera we return you now to head to head. thank you thank you want to head to head on al-jazeera english my guest today is the business been turned politician richard tice who's chair of the breakfast party we're talking about what else breaks it richard a lot of minorities in this country people of color immigrants feel as if racism and xenophobia has gone up since the 2016 referendum a lot of the official stats on hate crimes on racist attacks a lot of the polls seem to support that view given the leave campaign ran an overtly nationalistic campaign some would say xenophobia campaign is it any surprise to you that racism and racist attacks have gone up in britain in recent years i think to the extent there have that so that's

a tragedy and of course you know no one should welcome that you know my view on immigration has always been that this country has been very good at welcoming immigration but you have to have sensible immigration that works for your economy and in the last 10 years we've had immigration of over a quarter of a 1000000 a year and actually we've had 0 real wage growth for the least well off in society and you know that's what happened and people felt anxious about that what you're saying is a very legitimate view many politicians many people in the public hold that view about immigration but it's more about the tone for example that breaking point poster that some will remember here that was run. unveiled during the referendum campaign that had in some people's views not the undertones i mean michael gove who co-chaired the vote leave campaign the other leave campaign said he regrets the very harsh anti immigrant and foreign aspects of the campaign do you some stuff was said that probably should have been said in some of the stuff was difficult it was tough to do the breaking point post i think that was tough and. it was a tragic tragic racist is it racist to people have different views do you think. i

mean if you're going to do it was it racist you tell me what your view and i do think it was why why i just don't think all. it was a picture that appeared let's remember on all sorts of newspapers in previous weeks the campaign you co-founded levy you is still active you've quit that campaign you have to be very clear just off the river and yes since then it's been accused of anti-semitism when it posted an image of a jewish billionaire george soros as a puppet master would turn it's been accused of islamophobia after post an image of london. next to the words on a stand in islamic fundamentalism do you condemn those anti semitic islam images by your islamophobia by as i've said you can be held responsible for organizations actions i'm not asking do you condemn them yeah i don't like it i would have done it if i was involved i'm not involved ok i think it's really interesting isn't it how people try and continue to discredit and smear someone even though they've got nothing to do with all those issues discrediting what you've just tried to make literally as the rest of you can do if i said one organization and they did bad

things after i left and so was it you condemn or say yet i wasn't going to condemn it and i don't like it we're not like you ok let's look at your current party to break the party knowledge of. the most famous predecessor in britain i think it's fair to say you've compared him to gandhi and mandela in this very chamber of you. and actually he he and i have to say that in terms of delivering lasting change absolutely ok let's be honest breaks it breaks it is a huge opportunity a seismic shift in the way this country's going to be run let me just finish my course that is the last thing there is is it is a great question before before they turn in their graves further. he has a long history of complaining about foreign languages being spoken on the train remain ians moving in next door to immigrants causing traffic jams a powerful jewish lobby can you really blame people for calling for all ages the leader of your party and your party itself xenophobia even racist based on that kind of language. i just. don't remember those 3 i mean really

you only look at the brits that party we've got more diversity amongst our image than any other party in the european parliament. that doesn't cancel out if you have if you really really want candidates it will raise you can make were very strong she does want to get out of jail free card that you know if we were racist party would we have diversity and i didn't say a racist party as if you just laid just infernos to infer that i said can you blame people for thinking you're racist when your leader says that romanians moving in next door to him i do blame people people say they look at and they said it's racist you're saying they're wrong to say that i'm saying fine i did why they were just you know we are not a racist party you have a problem with the romanians moving in next door to you. basically no i mean you. know. because he does some distracting but it's not just for your former colleague and party leader kathryn blakelock who co-founded the breaks a party was forced to resign because she said islam is equal to slavery muslim men

were impregnating white british girls to create muslim babies and she retreated a leading u.k. neo nazi dozens of times she recently compared to the caribbean and said the tower hamlets looked like pakistan. and those are those are outrageous things to say and that's why she left the party almost immediately the moment it was set up when we did things which is credit to a party for her but then she's the founder of your party that's not just some random possible that's why we got rid of her but why did you set up the party you didn't know she was i was that i wasn't involved in that moment knowledge of chose someone to set up the party he maybe he didn't know what she was saying or tweeting or doing. ok. but for all when we leave any time soon well. i mean the idea that he's raised this is just wrong supplying wrong i know the bloke is no simple as that is it as simple as i just gave his answer for things that he said ok but i know him better than you i'm telling you he's going to be honest i'm glad you know better than i do let's go to our panel here who are listening so carr is

a senior editor at novara media she also teaches political theory at the sun begins to do your view since the brics a referendum took place in june 26th how's racism gone up in the u.k. and can it be attributed to a single figure or campaign or movement or political is that too simplistic but give you an example of something that happened to me the day after the referendum campaign i took a walk with my friend in the morning and someone leaned into both of our faces and called me a brown seaward and then later on that day a group of men got in my face and started yelling bricks it right so for them that meant something when they saw an asian woman and then since then i've experienced more racism just walking around london than i have before in my life and my experiences are backed up by statistics you have huge increases in reported racist hate crimes now i'm not saying that it's caused by proxy and i'm not saying anyone who supports that is racist but what i want to know is what your explanation is for

why so many racists seem to feel the bricks that result validated the hateful and bigoted views and why they feel so able to act on them it's appalling thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you there is a justification it's appalling a lot actually consumers and i'm deeply sorry that you had those experiences of course but it seems to me that it's easy for you to condemn it when it's around them on the street when it's the leader of your party suddenly you're bending over backwards and contorting to explain why i'm a bit more about things i do have you saying you know of. you know he's not a racist i know that he's not a racist a lot so let's go to jim is a probe rex an economist at cambridge university chief economic advisor to think that policy exchange grain you are saying in part one in addition to being a proud supporter you're also an academic you have to look at the evidence when there's a 22 percent rise since 2016 in the number of ethnic minorities reporting racism discrimination that they've experienced is that causation correlation how do you

link that to the e.u. referendum in your view i mean i think there's always problems when there's rapid cultural change in the society it's the speed which which matters the great majority in the u.k. and it's not just leaders actually it's a lot a lot of remain as well agree with the idea that you have to control migration that doesn't mean necessarily that you have to diminish it industry or they've actually increased immigration after they controlled it because people relax they think it's control is another country where race is a tax have gone up so it's not exactly the best example to give in difference yes but the migration that we're going to control in the u.k. is european migration from european countries in the sense the same european race if that's controlled i think we will probably will probably experience larger immigration from india middle east and other places but hardly suggests that this is a racist policy will only result in about the policy they will talk about the people involved jonathan is the deputy director of the pro european think tank british influence jonathan the language the restaurant workers and raise their language do

you blame your opponents for or no look we have to look at the referendum campaign from 2016 which was overtly islamophobia i remember the post is saying turkey population 80000000 in brackets is about to join the e.u. and a series of steps leading to an open door that was a naked attempt to terrify and middle england into voting for breaks on islamophobia grounds and you had another poster not from your organization from boat leave which has turkey highlighted with a rock in syria on a map next them now that wasn't islam. very big on a mainstream islamophobia discourse i don't know what was so it's probably thank you very much if you want to ask a humbug or the good news is the job of the lawyer we agree on something that it. didn't come from us. but let's just remember it was government policy at the time david cameron's policy at the time was that turkey to join the european union was

actually not true. but you know it's true i was very sly richard i'm not lying i worked the european parliament i worked in the foreign affairs committee where turkish membership was government a week it was a take of apparently one if he went to brussels you had no right to tell he was not joining for decades so simple a lot i thought i was very back at you until the point for a minister to go on penny is pretty moot in that on television and say that britain actually had no veto over membership was simply not the way to terrify people into voting process how can we possibly say this is rejected. we're going to move on but i think look i want to just go away the point again it was u.k. government policy under david cameron to join the euro 250 using the turkey was always about it was you know it was tough some tough stuff was to use a tough other people say racist was the gap between tough and racist subjects if it's difficult just wonder where is your where does race and begin for you then with those kind of things it doesn't i do think i do think those posters were racist but they you know they were tough they were shot it was

a tough sharpened the campaign tough and sharp is new euphemisms for what many people are a minimum time allows if not i'm allowed to use whatever language i want nobody said you are allowed to do what you divide media to follow that we stop what you're saying because you're attacking the language i use i've asked you to define your language your terms very loose toughen shop there's nothing loose about tough and sharp it's pretty clear actually isn't as clear as bracks it means bracks yes it is and it's just as clearly as we really love it if you're if you're one of these you still think that it was leave subject to a do it wasn't it was leave i'm foolish enough to watch them and go on b.b.c. and 2016 call richard ties and say we will get a deal and if i'd been in charge we would have got to do ok but we didn't. therefore we should leave according to your logic before we go to our very patient audience here in your studio one quick question about the brits at party we talked in part one a great deal about democracy and important democracy and yet your own party the brics a body has basically no internal democracy whatsoever it's run as a company with 2 directors you and nigel garage with registered supporters not members of it's run basically it's a dictatorship by you and that's one of the fast growing tech start up folks at the

end of the day democracy basically is at the ballot box actually since usenet we've got things done we are only $25.00 weeks i mean i'm sure many basically to get things done around the world that's what dictators do doesn't mean it's a good thing it's a company structure your friend aaron banks says it's almost a dictatorship it's a normal company structure and people have the have the option to vote for it at the ballot box initialism it when they had that option they voted for one of national action securing 50 percent more votes than anybody else or maybe actually people focused on the opportunity of breaks it not only one of the best under the vote a 3rd of the vote 50 percent more than any other part of 3rd of the vote i mean it's a great use of statistics a 3rd of the vote we won let's go to our audience who want to come in now let's go to someone at the back they do their hand up you're a businessman turned politician another businessman turned politician comes to mind that stone of. one of my frustrations sometimes that people in your position is that i feel that you shirk their social responsibility there.