yes so i'm going to participate in this which they're undertaking on the hill. so greg if somebody had done that in the clinton ministration or maybe any other demi i mean i'm interested in what you think would have occurred because we've got t. shirts now that say it you know with the 0 having a little orange wig on top of it this is probably the only thing i agree with john on today is that i think they have mishandled the messaging they mishandled the strategy. i think they miss handing the press presidency the real the reality is that when president clinton was being impeached he was segregated walled off from the from the lawyer from the strategizing from the public argument of the impeachment and he spent all his time being president of states and he was very successful at it he negotiated a budget that was in surplus he had a series of international successes one in the white plantation between the palestinians in the israelis he traveled abroad he was at his those 6 months he was at his very best as the president of states and spent

a very little time talking about the issues associated with the impeachment and all the messaging all the planning all of the coordination between the various components of the white house and our friends on the hill were coordinated so the idea of someone just having a good idea and going out and saying get over it that never would have happened john you think this was a mistake it was horrific it was a it was a stupid mistake because it turned trumped from the victim to the to the aggressor as well that that made no sense when i was there he said that i just shook my head and then they came out with with shirts and like you say with a wig on the o. and up to that point trump was being positioned as the victim this is what shot this is fake news i didn't do anything it was a perfect all and then it's well you get over it get over what the fact that he didn't do anything recent thing to get over so it gore pulled the message until get back and the performance by mulvaney then. he. by then

going on i think chris wallace fox news sunday which was a very painful 15 or 20 minutes if you have to sit there through it til they till they take this seriously because right now it's fake news which now it's a lynching ok i take this seriously they're going to they're going to continue to lose public support if you look at the polling out margaret in the last several weeks you've got now 53 polls saying that 50 percent of americans want to peach and removed from office that tells you right there that one of those polls was. last month and the other was fox this is not like c.n.n. fake polls these are real with real metrics behind it right so they're losing public support they better get their act together i mean because there's going to be a trial in the senate in thanksgiving in november and it's real it mark as i mean as both of us said support there's a but there's

a new $538.00 poll that's out that shows 49.3 percent there also in the board poll we have it up now for folks to see 43 percent don't support there's actually a c.n.n. poll that just came out this morning that shows over 50 percent for the 1st time both in favor of impeachment but also removal but margaret i mean this is a tale of 2 worlds in a sense that of that in that 50 percent 87 percent of democrats support impeachment or removal and 6 percent of republicans do and i come back to that initial question i pointed out is this a divorce happening inside the country that's going to happen any any way or is there a way to get through this process get over it if you will and get people back on the same turf again well there's already been a divorce if you have 13000 lies out there and they don't believe that there are any lies out there there it's just too discord. bent

groups in the country that one cannot see what the other is seeing now in impeachment i don't think it's a problem of the message because in this case you have the facts and the law you can you know if you don't have the facts argue the law well in this case the facts do support impeachment and so does the law but in coming up with those article what would constitute impeachment it isn't you know up in the air it was all of the discussion was about how do you control. because that's what the the founding fathers were worried about trump behaves like a king and a lot of it was had to do with when a abuse of power against a foreign country and we have that in so many of the things trump is done and certainly in ukraine and although it's not yet a focus of democrats did just willy nilly abandoning kurdish. leaders i got to say what is it with ukraine a lot of our lives there is

a political element if you don't like it if you don't like his position right ukraine and getting us out of these never ending wars which you promised you would do on the campaign that was a staple of his campaign message to get us out then vote him out in 2020 you don't have peachey him because you don't like his policies now your overall good idea very quickly they're just going to iraq so he's got to do a little sigh they're just going to few miles over a border which is a squishy border anyway but by the right my bigger point is ukraine i mean how i mean look at ukraine our friend colleagues just come out of a mess with ukraine we have paul metaphor for grain we have 100 biden on a on a company perhaps legally perhaps you know suspiciously on a on a company and you get what is it with ukraine and why when ukraine has now been something that rudy giuliani has been tied into why have the republicans had it in support of the president turning a blind eye to that why did why did they not see the request of the president of ukraine to investigate the biden the. as you know a disconcerting even

a legal issue because the whole democratic party malfeasance and investigating trump started in ukraine margaret knows it greg knows how you can sit there and spin and that's where it started that's where they tried to dig up dirt on trump that's where they hire g.p.s. that's where they got steel involved the dossier the whole but says it all started there so the country is corrupt from the beginning they started that they're now we're tracing it back as far as a bike thing is concerned i mean margaret. how do you get on the board of directors of a company that's an oil company that's owned by the country when you have no experience in oil no experience in gas never been in the region never been to ukraine don't know the competition and you get $50000.00 a month and your father is over there as vice president negotiating deals how do you do that so we had one pain manager is going to argue nepotism is wrong right

given that children. you know what does it have to do with they get paid a dollar a year what on earth does that have to do with going on that we can get away with greater it's going to be caught up in the licenses i'm going to stipulate to i the facts but i and my lawyer facts are getting late to them but i think the bigger question is does gravity work differently depending on where you sit. well can i just comment on the on the polls because i think one of the lessons that we got from the clinton experience and i think john will agree with this is that it is possible to impeach a president when the country is divided it is not possible to remove a president when the country is divided you half that has to be something that most americans support or it's not going to happen it's got to be a bipartisan effort if the president trump is going to be removed serious republicans have to support the process otherwise it will not happen then i think

it's just a fact of the political situation now if i were in your shoes i would be a little worried about what senator lindsey graham is saying about this ukraine situation because he said he would be troubled if it was proven that president trump ordered the withholding of military assistance to the ukrainians in exchange for the opening up of investigation of the buttons that would trouble lindsey graham that sent a signal that he thought that that might be an impeachable offense an abuse of presidential power so if i were in your shoes i'd be concerned about exactly what anybody get on top of that with lindsey graham when lindsey graham really clicked in because lindsey graham has said that if there are crimes beyond the call and then he began talking about betraying the kurds in syria and he hasn't to my knowledge mentioned the darrelle trump resort but john you did is are these issues of the decisions the president made beginning to move the needle the propriety of what's acceptable behavior with with some of the folks that you know so well or it

gives mcconnell leverage when trump is exonerated in the senate or not convicted or whatever you want to phrase it in the reality acquitted in reality the republicans the democrats are going to need 20 republican votes in the senate right. it's not a. conceivable that they're going to get there in a divided country but what is conceivable is that the mcconnell republicans gain an inordinate amount of leverage over president trump in the last 18 months of his term before he gets real reelected which i think he will in 2020 and basically a lot of their votes to acquit him become conditional on something right that's what that's what most are needed but connell just wrote a fiery op ed i want to know most from from the trauma base right which is a true believer in the america 1st agenda so i'm

a true believer so i'm more concerned about the advancement of our philosophy and agenda going forward than i am about any short term political process so that's the leverage that mcconnell has mcconnell could end up calling the shots between january 2020 in the end of that term if trump gets reelected that on his own all bets are off who was very good margaret let me just say don't forget let me put it but one thing to you when you were when you were running things for bill clinton did you go after and harass and bully defecting democrats no. we had not you personally but did the team go after well because what we see happening right down with donald trump versus mitt romney is pretty dramatic. we had we had problems i think with defecting democrats in the house of representatives in the early stages but the way in which the house republicans managed the

impeachment process in the house was so partisan that it drove all the democrats back it wasn't they like clinton that much it was that they couldn't stand tom de lay or newt gingrich but let me just point something out i think that is an interesting the 2 the 2 leaders in the united states senate both participated in the clinton pietschmann process chuck schumer was in the house of representatives when the hearings were conducted and when the votes occurred in december 1998 he was then elected to the senate and participated in the trial in the senate mcconnell was in the senate during 1998 both of those individuals know what the trial is likely to look at look like is it going to have live witnesses is it going to have videotaped depositions how long as it could take i hear that mcconnell has told his caucus get ready for a 6 week trial let's do snap shot we're just the last couple of minutes margaret as

you look at what's going to unfold how do you predict. say president trump's chances of not getting impeached. you know it's a given and so discounted that the senate will not a vehicle to convict him. so it is that part really doesn't matter i mean there's no drama there's no drama involved and i mean that's too bad because the senate has the republicans in the senate have shown themselves to be completely spineless against this president they came here not to do a job they came here to stay in perpetuity they're so afraid of losing an election so how's it turn out if it turns out that he runs for reelection but i think deeply wounded deeply because people see an administration that's entirely chaotic without basically a cabinet that cabinet meeting that trump had yesterday had abs conducted absolutely not one piece of the country's business it was all about that phony i'm arguments

clause it was just one thing after another i mean he i don't know how many articles of the constitution the president is willing to do away with so that governing is not taking the constitutionalists out there in the country or are having a fit but john how do you see just a quick a quick survey of how you see this unfolding i think will be a peach in the house will be too tight articles of impeachment that will pass palosi who is probably the most masterful speaker in history and by the way that's where there's no nickname for her we're afraid of or she's very good and she's running this thing with believe a great precision i was going to get a ph and then he would be acquitted in the senate there's going to be a trial they're going to bring they're going to bring other witnesses in lots of drama lots of drama trouble use it and get reelected again and final word it's

going to be interesting to see what the speaker does between 0 and thanksgiving i agree that it's going to end up with an impeachment maybe 2. 3 articles but she has a challenge about trying to educate the american public so she's going to have to have some public hearings and how is she going to organize though those hearings who is she going to how is she going to present the case to the american people about it and can i go with that no we've got a we're out of time i'd like to thank you all for being with us margaret carlson columnist for the daily beast and 1st female columnist for time magazine john fredericks chairman of trump for president campaign for the state of virginia 2016 and advisor to the trump 2020 campaign and host of the john fredericks radio show and gregory craig the former lead defense attorney for president bill clinton during his impeachment in 1988 and former white house counsel under president obama thank you all very much for being here sorry to cut you off margaret sorry sorry thank you. so what's the bottom line some see the start of an impeachment process

as conviction of president trump in and of itself others see it as a frivolous political act by desperate democrats who cannot truly succeed in removing him from office they see it as i don't shakespeare might say sound and fury signifying nothing the bottom line is that impeachment is always political allies are going soft not because of the alleged crime of telling ukraine's president to investigate his political rival but because he also tried to host a big global event the g 7 at a trump resort and also because he had banded america's kurdish allies to turkey america is deeply and internally divided and this shakespearean drama is going to be playing out for a very long time and that's just the way it is see you next week. the environment doesn't know any boundaries what goes up in the environment goes around the world. it's a very modern me to do. believe me the nation of. the midst.

of point 0. let someone else fight over this long blood stay saying. donald trump alles what he calls a strategic victory as turkey and russia take over the syrian territory previously held by the us. hello i'm mr and mrs al jazeera live from doha also coming up japan and south korea

agree on the importance of mending ties and the rising trade sanctions. it's being described as an unimaginable human tragedy that 109 people were found dead inside a container truck near london. it's something money should be as easy and secure sending a message and facebook boss mark suck about defends his company's troubled efforts to create a digital currency. now u.s. president on trial has ended sanctions against turkey saying that its offensive against kurdish forces in northern syria is finished and as turkish and russian troops take over territory previously patrolled by the u.s. trump says that it's time that someone else fight over this bloodstain sand white house correspondent came to help get reports. he promised a withdrawal but on wednesday u.s. president donald trump announced that some american troops will remain in syria

trump says a u.s. brokered cease fire between turkey and kurdish fighters known as the s.d.f. was a success as a result. u.s. sanctions imposed on turkey earlier this month are no more so the sanctions will be lifted or less something happens that we're not happy with trump left open the possibility there could still be new sanctions and tariffs on steel exports from turkey to the united states the invitation for president wretch of thai of error to one to visit the white house next month is also still on for now trump says it may happen in the meantime he says america's work in syria is mostly done we have done them a great service and we've done a great job for all of them and now we're getting out let someone else fight over this long blood stayed and sand truck fired back at

critics abroad pushing them to pick up where america has left off he wants washington's allies to help detain eisel fighters and repatriate them to their home countries. but trump syria policy faces domestic criticism in the u.s. congress even from within his own republican party senator mitch mcconnell is promising bipartisan legislation to push trump to cancel air to ones white house visit and halt the u.s. troop drawdown. we shouldn't need to speak up we cannot effectively support our partners on the ground without a military presence the democratic senate leader fears u.s. actions will have grave consequences for kurdish fighters fought alongside u.s. forces to defeat eisel he's particularly concerned with reports the united states withdrawal has now allowed some myself fighters to escape the president's

incompetence with 3rd one in syria has handed isis a get out of jail free card and put simply put american lives in danger well it was about foreign policy president trump white house address was geared to a domestic audience already campaigning for reelection president trump is keen to show he's keeping a campaign promise withdrawing u.s. soldiers from a generation of war kimberly hellcat al-jazeera the white house well the chief of the kurdish led syrian democratic forces is thanked moscow for its work to end hostilities in northern syria and a video conference with russia's defense minister says the leaders discussed the progress of the deal announced by russia and turkey on tuesday russian officials told the s.d.f. chief that they will increase the number of military police near the syrian turkish border assam a bunch of aid has more now from the border. this area that president trump calls

long blood stained sun is about the 800 kilometer long border between syria and turkey more than half a 1000000 people have been killed in the last 2 years and the situation on the ground remains precarious on we've been hearing about 2 incidents which involved bombings and explosions in the kurdish held parts and the russians of warns that warned the kurds to make use of these $150.00 i will do vacate these areas 30 kilometers deep inside syrian territory or face the turkish advance as the turks have agreed with the russians that they will be coming and 10 kilometers deep into syrian territory all of this is happening while the syrian government is also taking an active role for the 1st time in 8 years along this border area syrian government with the russians is going to be moving in to try and vacate areas from beach to commission the and make sure that these areas according to its agreement with the turks are clear off kurdish fighters it is interesting to see the syrian

democratic forces coming out for the 1st response after this deal gentleman has spoken to the u.s. president on trumbo and he said that trump assured him that their partnership in syria is not completely over there continued to work together although the previous t.v. you've seen from the syrian democratic forces statements after statements where they feel betrayed by the united states this alludes to the areas in near the iraqi border in daters or province where oil facilities are located and the u.s. forces according to the u.s. president are going to be there working with local partners to make sure that those oil facilities don't fall in the hands of others so it is a situation the worse monitoring what at least for the next 6 days that's an 150 hours is agreed by the russians and the turks the guns will be falling silent. now the south korean prime minister and his japanese counterpart have met in tokyo as a time of heightened tension south korean news agency yonhap reports that. they

have agreed that fraying bilateral ties need to be mended the meeting between the pair represents the highest level talks since tokyo curbed imports from south korea this year that was in response to seoul's dumond's the compensation from japan for wartime forced labor correspondent robert bride is live for us now in seoul rob how is this visit being seen over there and is it significant that prime minister was sent rather than president reagan i believe he is a fluent japanese speaker. that's right and yes certainly an opportune time using lee's presence in japan he was there attending the and thrown at this week of japan's emperor but as you mentioned there he is a fluent japanese speaker is a former newspaper journalist who was based in tokyo has very good connections with many in political circles in japan and in fact knows shinzo are both so it was said to be a good meeting or went on for 20 minutes instead of the scheduled 10 minutes as you

mentioned there the 2 prime ministers have agreed that they should try to repair by the lateral ties more importantly perhaps lee was carrying with him a letter from prior the president of south korea to shinzo are they talking about japan's importance as a partner in maintaining regional peace and so there does seem to be an attempt here to build bridges and it remains to be seen whether there will now be whether this paves the way for a meeting between mungy and of south korea and shinzo are they and the date that everybody is looking ahead towards on their diplomatic war planners is the middle of next month there will be an important gathering of asia pacific leaders a so-called apec summit happening in chile which to which both they and moon will be attending and there is an awful lot of speculation here in seoul and also in tokyo that possibility that could be a meeting on the sidelines of that to try to resolve this. rob talk us through the

timing of this because both countries' economies have been struggling is that why we're seeing this meeting now. you do get a sense despite the very strong feelings in japan and also here in south korea that an awful lot of people in diplomatic circles and certainly in business want to put this trade dispute behind them this all started briefly few months ago with a court ruling against japanese companies for using south korean slave labor during world war 2 that quickly escalated into a diplomatic spat and then as you mentioned there have been these trade sanctions with japan withholding very important key components and raw materials that south korea needs for its high tech manufacturing and more importantly perhaps especially as the united states is concerned watching this from the sidelines with this spat between its 2 very important regional allies they have suspended an intelligence

sharing agreement between the 2 that was meant to counter the threat from north korea so an awful lot of spillover 'd from this and an awful lot of people both here in seoul in tokyo and in washington that would like to see this resolved our correspondent rather right thank you for that drug. now bolivia's opposition leader has said he has evidence of electoral fraud committed in sunday's presidential vote callousness as calling for mass protests to continue unless a runoff is held but president evo morales has denounced opposition demonstrations as a coup john heilemann has more from the past. there has to live in an election dispute continues both the opposition and government supporters took to the streets. the latter to show their support for leftist president ever more rallies and some francisco plaza for them is the only one who took the people into account your as. i identify with this person who's changed the destiny of the country the

governments before just looted the natural resources of this persons distributed the wealth and stipends for our older children now the pregnant women. they say morale is who was the front runner in campaign polls when the election fair and square your living below him by sight of the opposition whoever loses in the voting booth has to respect the democratic perseus democracy is not coming out with sticks and burning public buildings or not recognizing results democracy is respecting the people have decided. that there are significant doubts about the election the supposed rapid count on sunday show president more on this and challenger carlos messer heading into a 2nd round runoff with 83 percent of the votes counted. then that counts for 24 hours when it resumed president morales was suddenly on the brink of winning out right in the 1st round the vice president of the electoral tribunal said the delay discredited the electoral process and resigned the organization of american states

for ronald. carlos mencia says peaceful protests would be needed to force the people see you are seeing more uses if we don't mobilize if we don't show our democratic power in the street this government will do what it wants with the election results. yes their opposition supporters scarcely needed telling wednesday was the 3rd day they marched by is that out of iraq we are fighting to defend our fight because ever morale is not respecting the will of the people he is not respecting the laws he is not respecting anything his time in government is over and it isn't just in the pis but across the country there are many people here that feel that especially in recent years democratic standards have been slipping. especially the country's industrial center santa cruz so street battles. by the president more on his his call.