and in one of the most dangerous and prolific of the of the companies that are selling to governments the ones that one of the ones we've been able to find quite a lot have about which is part of the problem is that it's actually so secretive that there's just no transparency in the 1st place for us to even understand exactly how this this market is operating and the companies that are underpinning and so in some senses no you know this is just the latest example of why at the moment the way that technology is weaponized and how easy it is for tech on to weaponize and how easy it is increasingly for repressive governments and others to get their hands on these very potent cyber weapons is is you know we need to actually look at the whole industry as a whole and how we bring that in line with human rights and one of the things that analysts international is calling for along with others in civil society is actually a moratorium on the whole industry itself essentially saying no no one's safe until we can bring this industry in line with human rights that the tools themselves shouldn't be stopped and should be used and

a lot of the places that i was on what's up and facebook is a vote so that's probably just the tip of the iceberg and even a few using other apps there's a big question mark about how private your messaging really years. absolutely this is the tip of the iceberg and i think it brings up again why it's so important in fact you know we really we i think and what's that been very tough and it's commendable really that they have not just stood up against n.s.a. group in this particular example but over the last few years they've continued to defend and 20 crippen in their platform and i think it is a good example of why we need spaces like whatsapp that are enter an encrypted so that we can have private spaces online because the slippery slope that we're currently in is to well when it's just absolutely no trust in security in the online world and that is as i've said before just crippling from the perspective of civil society free speech privacy and the ability of 7 and groups human rights

groups jenison others to to operate you know we cannot do human rights work in a surveillance state or thank you so much for coming and talking about your perspective tony o'carroll there thank you india is formally splitting the disputed region of kashmir into 2 new centrally controlled territories on thursday in august new delhi revoke the region's autonomy since them people from other parts of india working in the area have been targeted and job or is in the indian administered kashmir. 5 non-cash media laborers were killed including them an indian as mr kashmir last night earlier this month 5 truckers transporting appel were also created the officials said the rebels were behind these killings however thus far no rebel group is officially claimed responsibility that happened just 2 days before the indian government will officially implemented decision to bifurcate indian as mr to shmeat into 2 week of political units which will allow the central

government to control law and anyone in india to buy the land here it also happened on the day a delegation of european parliamentarians although not sanctioned by the e.u. was given a guided tour of it in ad mr fish meat by the indian army that was it has come under criticism because of the european parliament in its do not meet any members of the civil society here and also it's not clear who actually paid for that trip because the trip was not organized by india's foreign ministry how are the parliamentarians were taken on a boat right here on scene others iconic and the leak which actually does not go on to say very much about the situation all over the rally especially when the trip with tightly controlled by the indian government. police have fired tear gas at protesters in bolivia's capital as demonstrations continue against the disputed reelection of president evo morales the government has invited opposition candidate carlos mehsud to observe an order of the result which he says was fraudulent john

home and has. were fresh faces taking to believe years streets it's been noted by the opposition and the government the young people have been the driving force behind the protests. against a president who's really been in power for most of their lives and who this election went for an unprecedented move term that coming to this ticket thing all rests on practically says i remember it all more or less has been in charge i want change a change for the better for the. president or at least has made a difference in the country the most part in public and providing a prosperous economy. at a cavalier approach to the environment has been my some forest fires and the perceived lack of job opportunities has meant his fall from trending among the young. and this election there were significant doubts about the vote counting

process the return him to power many of those going to the polls for the 1st time have taken that personally the arctic's trying to take something that we fought for for many years to max and that was the bolivian politicians it seems folly to discount the voice of the young the really important in this situation because almost 40 percent of the electorate is age 32nd to have a critical role to play however which way this divide the still president raul is claims those have turned against him of being paid in money grades we put that to students there is enough but. it's disrespectful to the universities and to the students he's trying to minimize. they haven't paid us all given us great yet not am powerless missa the leading opposition candidate has acknowledged the road north korean is a young this new knowledge this indomitable spirit has woken up to say mr morales

they had to defend democracy and they had the heart of this transformation. that he himself is far from a fresh face he was president the fool ever morale is ever i believe that's why student committed moralise says he'll stick with a government which is stability a more recognition for many of the country's indigenous groups to get from the british government and the out of court and then when a new coherent candidate comes up with new policies i would completely vote for them but right now we just have the same old opposition politicians was too oblivious over this politicians vying for control it could still be the young who determine what happens next was john home and now does it or oppose. firefighters in northern california are battling a growing wildfire that has destroyed more than 100 homes and is threatening thousands more residents in wind county being warned more of them may need to move

to safer ground in the south strong overnight winds are expected to fuel another blaze burning on the outskirts of los angeles. jay gray a small town los angeles we are inside the command center the staging area right now and these fire teams are on high alert the national weather service issuing its 1st ever extreme the red flag warning warning about winds that are expected to pick up here in fact forecasters saying that the conditions this week the fire conditions are the most severe they've seen in recent history right now more than 26000000 people under red flag warning from california to arizona and those expected to last through at least thursday the winds are expected to continue to swirl into the weekend here that's adding stress to these teams that have already been working most 24 hour shifts and for several days on these fires from here in

the los angeles area all the way to the north outside of san francisco in wine country where the can fire there the biggest continues to grow more than 100 structures have been damaged hundreds of thousands of people forced from their homes all those numbers they fear will go up with these new conditions fire teams rushing in from it at least 10 states to support the effort here to fight the flames it's a fight that's going to continue for quite some time they'll get through the weekend here but still trying to shore up on the front lines and control these flames the best they can. boeing see as admitted mistakes were made with the company's 737 max jet crashes involving 2 planes killed 346 people in the past year than its muhlenberg appeared before us congressional committee and admitted areas were made in the jet software he also said the company failed to

give pilots enough information on a system meant to prevent a stall we are sorry deeply and truly sorry as a husband and father myself. i'm heartbroken by your loss i think about you and your loved ones every day and i know our entire boeing team does as well i know that probably doesn't offer much comfort and healing at this point but i want you to know that we carry those memories with us every day and every day that drives us to improve the safety of our airplanes and our industry and that will never stop. pro basketball players earn millions of dollars in the n.b.a. but now college athletes in the u.s. can profit from brand sponsorship and indorsements the new rule was approved on

tuesday the change is likely to benefit athletes in the highest profile sports such as basketball and american football they sports generate billions of dollars in revenue even at a college level california already approved legislation last month to allow student athletes to an endorsement money. and let's take you through some of the headlines here now to syria now lebanon's army has begun clearing main roads in the capital which have been blocked by protesters for days in the statement earlier on wednesday the army asked demonstrators to remove roadblocks so life can return to normal president michel aoun is yet to issue a statement on the prime minister's resignation. iraq's prime minister is under growing pressure to resign influential shia cleric knocked out our soldiers main political rival head the allow me the has agreed to help the prime minister has

refused to step down earlier souther called for mattie's resignation following weeks of protests. iran's supreme leader says protesters in iraq and lebanon should seek their demands within the framework of the law. is also accusing the u.s. and some arab states of stoking unrest in the 2 countries was a similar warning earlier from iranian president hassan rouhani as chief of staff. people of iraq and lebanon will suffer a loss considering the current situation it is a fact that the us saudi arabia and the zionist regime are writing on people's demands controlling social media and providing financial help iran's position has always been that governments should pay attention to demands but on the other hand those demands should be raised in a way that doesn't lead to chaos and bloodshed our recommendation is to invite peace and not to let foreigners help them in achieving their goals a meeting about syria's constitution is underway in geneva it aims to repair the

fractures many believe led to the civil war $150.00 syrians pulled together from various factions and sitting down for the 1st time since the war began the findings of a public inquiry into london's tower fire or been released the report says one of the major failings was a fire brigade policy called stay put 72 people were killed in the tragedy 2 years ago. firefighters in northern california are battling a growing wildfire that has destroyed more than $100.00 homes and is threatening thousands more residents in wine country are being warned rather that more evacuations could come at any moment in the south strong overnight winds are expected to fuel another blaze burning on the outskirts of los angeles. it's inside story now stay with us.

the prime minister's. mission is true to the british on the 31st of october and making this country the greatest place on a person's departure is delayed but for how long follow the drama of bricks it on al-jazeera. the global cost of online crime is expected to reach $6.00 trillion dollars by 2021 cyber attacks are now one of the biggest concerns for governments and companies around the world an international conference in qatar is now looking at ways to fight cyber crime but are we doing enough to defend ourselves and do we even understand the risks this is inside story.

hello and welcome to the program i'm daryn jordan around somewhere a cyber attack happens every 14 seconds in the past year alone there's been an 11 percent increase in security breaches by hackers these growing figures show just how big a threat cyber crime has become with security experts fighting the hakas the cyber crime economy is growing so quickly it's now making profits of $1.00 trillion dollars each year at a recent microsoft survey suggests executives now consider cyber attacks to be the top threat to their businesses experts are gathered here in qatar as capital doha to boost cyber defense and formulate digital policy. well here are some of the world's most high profile cyber attacks in 2013 yahoo shocked the world when it confirmed that a cyber attack had affected all 3000000000 of its user accounts in 2014 the us

entertainment group sony pictures was attacked hackers demanded the cancellation of the release of the interview a comedy that depicted an assassination plot against north korea's leader kim jong il in 2018 the u.s. along with australia canada the u.k. and new zealand all accuse china of conducting a 12 year global campaign of cyber espionage russia is accused of hacking the accounts of democratic officials in the us in an attempt to sway people to vote for donald trump in the 2016 presidential election and just this week in georgia thousands of websites were attacked including those of the president the courts and the media t.v. stations were hacked and temporarily unable to broadcast. well let's bring in our guests mark isaac is a lecturer in computer network security at the university of central lancashire he joins us from preston in the united kingdom and mark einstein is chief analyst for

digital services at japan that's a research and advisory firm focused on i.t. he joins us from tokyo welcome to both our guests marc einstein let me start with you if i may because you've worked with companies around the world in setting up their cyber defenses but given the scale of the threat today in the sophistication of cyber attacks are we losing the battle against the hackers and if so why. i think you can make the case that we are you know now we have this phenomenon called the internet of things which is several years old now and you know this is the number one reason that companies are really hesitant to be more and more connected i think what is so interesting about this is that the majority of the hacks that we see are actually not very sophisticated they're caused by things or having the all passwords or passwords like 12345 and you know these basic mistakes are holding back billions or even trillion dollars in corporate product of 80. macs eyes in

preston i mean the head of britain's national cybersecurity center recently warned that the u.k. will be hit by a life threatening catch a green one cyber emergency in the very near future i mean that sounds absolutely terrifying i mean so what does that mean and how prepared is britain to defend itself against something so horrifying to be honest. absolutely it is terrifying in the u.s. and we have seen i mean the want to cry the n.h.s. attacks that have been 2017 showed us how devastating a cyber attack could be on a public sector service like the national health service and since then there have been a lot of. counter-measure that has been taken less and has been learned and we are trying now to put countermeasures around defenses in place but as mark said no one will be 100 percent protected because of the. them the huge amount of devices

we have these days the different technologies we are using these days have you have a great security but you have a week for then your security will be used defenseless so. we are also you know while work on the technology and the defense we're also working on to use our awareness to you know trying to raise. the people's awareness to their best for their security to their data brava say trying to work on both sides ok g. and a human let me let me bring in back marc there in tokyo i mean mark just explain to our viewers why cyber security is so important i mean governments and companies now seem to be spending huge amounts of money on security to protect themselves how they've been mostly successful and what does it take do you think to win the war against cyber attacks against the cyber criminals so i think that you know basically we live in an era era of increased conic nobody i think one of the most

interesting examples that i saw very recently was in the u.k. one of the new airports there actually has their air traffic control center offsite so there's no tower in this airport it's remote if somebody hacked into this you could easily kill thousands of people shut down an economy we're not seeing these kind of catastrophic events have. and yet but there certainly is a potential there is an increasing the tension i think you know part of the solution to this is going to be advanced ai technology there's just so much data traffic now there are so many connected devices and there just aren't enough people that can sit in front of a computer screen and monitor what's going on this is going to have to be automated and this is going to require artificial intelligence going forward in my opinion all right well as you've touched on the issue of ai let me put that to maximize a very impressive i mean max what about the rise then of official intelligence when this require a new dialogue

a new awareness of the challenges within the ai space. so they agree with mark we need a i technologies to step ben and employ these technologies into cyber defense to protect the assets and because we don't have enough. human by our let's say i mean we need a lot of laws and laws off of superhumans to actually said down and look at massive amounts of data and try to work out if there is an attack happening or if there's attack about to happen and cetera. and the route you know recent reports is showing that companies and corporations are struggling to identify the risks let alone actually defending against cyber attacks because if there's a lot of information to digest and analyze and you know bridou sort of results so i think they are it will be massive held into this arena and let me bring also the

other term we use sometimes interchangeably here which is a machine learning so we can actually use machine learning as i said let's imagine a sober human who can sit and look at massive amounts of data learn the data learn the button see how they interact with each other and the bridge decked that this asset is could be under attack or this attack is actually have been in right now and the produce defenses or countermeasures against them so i totally agree ai and machine learning will be a massive help in the near future mark i mean you're nodding there are we talking about artificial intelligence only here are we talking about mental intelligence with human input as well i think we're talking about ball but what i'm specifically talking about which was just echoed by the other panelist is that you know we need kind of superhuman abilities but we also need automated abilities we're not quite there yet with the technology i think going forward we're going to start with kind

of the machine learning which is. we are now then get into more ai and then get into more elegant is kind of how i would see the market developing yeah max let me come back to you because you touch briefly on the issue of understanding the risks is there a sense that one of the reasons that governments and companies and ordinary people like you and i become victims of cyber crime is that we don't actually understand the risks to ourselves our money our data and our privacy the risk issue is very important isn't it. it is indeed and part of the reason we don't understand the risk is that we do not allow enough time for the technology to be tested and for the risks to be assessed and this is again reflected bardsley because we don't have enough power like a human power to actually sit down and do all the analysis and also for us boss as well because technologies and companies usually rush into. the releasing their

products you know for marketing and competition burgess's so we end up sometimes with a lot of products that hasn't been 100 percent percent test that or the rest hasn't been really identified that we end up actually having to take the hit if it happens and we end up with a lot of in us about data breaches or a security hacks etc on the broad docs that is actually used by people. mark on time there in tokyo let me come to you with a question about about risk as well because in 2017 microsoft a survey that found something like 62 percent of companies saw cyber attacks as a top 5 risk to their business is now in 2019 that figure jumped to 79 percent above other risks like economic uncertainty brand reputational damage and so on does this indicate that companies are starting to at least understand the risks i don't think that that true i mean if i were to you know think about that serbia i

actually think it could be closer to 100 percent i think something that is maybe help that a little bit is that when the g.d.p. are the privacy regulations were introduced in the e.u. i think it became very very clear to everyone in the corporate sector that if you don't secure your data you could pay billions and billions of dollars in fines from the e.u. and the e.u. is not of great to go after people like google or apple or whoever i think that was the. a little bit of a wake up call that may have contributed to that bigger let me let me just stay with you mark and ask a question about the next big challenge for the cyber industry when people are now talking about deep faith for example and this ability to clone someone's voice and their image i mean that's going to be a nightmare for security specialists like you isn't it i think that that is going to be the next big thing unfortunately i think it's going to be chaotic you know i

think we're very close to being able to clone other people's voices and then you know make broad to one phone calls but if you even take that a step further you could happen chap by that you program with someone's voice to make calls so you don't even need someone behind the phone to do cyber crime in the next few years i think this is going to be a disaster and i think we're not ready for this at all and i think that we're going to need some new technologies to be able to address this as well yeah i mean max what's your what's your take then on the next big challenge for the security industry is it problems like deep fake and how do you fight how do you combat that well it's what i mentioned earlier about the use of ai and the shia learning in to come back to cyber attacks unfortunately these technology.