polluters to heel silicon valley and the algorithms that discriminate against women and people of color plus putin shown by the west completes his pivot to the. counting the cost on al jazeera. i'm richelle carey and these are the top stories on al-jazeera at least one person has been killed after a volcano erupted off the coast of new zealand's north island police are warning that number could rise up to 50 people were on or near the island at the time of the eruption some of those are still unaccounted for a number of people had been injured including at least one critically. some of these people have been transported to shore however there is a number still remaining on the oil and who are currently unaccounted for i can confirm there's one fertility i can buy some information we have is likely to be

more had the f.b.i. investigation into the shooting at a u.s. naval base in florida says they're working on the presumption the attack was 2 an act of terrorism saudi air force officer mohammad saeed al shaab rani shot dead 3 students on friday saudi crown prince mohammed bin solomon is call the president to express his condolences and her schapelle has more more information from the f.b.i. about mohammed saeed al some nonny the junior officer in the royal saudi air force who shot 11 people on friday killing 3 sailors our main goal right now is to confirm whether he acted alone or was he part of a larger network we currently assess there was one gunman who perpetrated this is attack and no arrests have been made in this case. on the open fire in a classroom using a gun that he'd legally purchased around 2 hours beforehand he allegedly tweeted

his disdain for u.s. troops returning to saudi arabia calling america a nation of evil our hearts break for the families who lost their precious loved ones in this atrocity another atrocity. well president trump has helped the saudis with damage control conveying the kingdom's condolences others want the military training program to be paused for us to be bringing in these foreign nationals you have to take precautions to protect the country. he was one of more than 850 saudi nationals in the u.s. benefiting from this program which its defenders say is vital to u.s. national security thousands of students from more than 150 countries take part in it sadly i think this is one of those instances where someone slipped through the cracks but we have to be 100 percent sure but we never will be 100 percent sure get their flight school maybe go fly jets would be pretty cool but for families of 23

year old joshua caleb watson in alabama this weekend 21 year old cameron scott walters in georgia and 19 year old mohammed sama hate them in florida it's a tragedy too hard to bear. the navy says they ran towards danger and saved lives without them the incident could have been far worse under chappelle al-jazeera thousands of ukrainians are rallied against president lot of these planned meeting with russian leader vladimir putin craney and forces have been fighting separatists backed by moscow for 5 years and eastern ukraine a strike has been called in hong kong to mark 6 months since the start of anti-government protests organizers say the movement shows no sign of slowing as hundreds of thousands joined one of the largest marches on sunday. placed in india say they don't expect to recover any more bodies from a building that was destroyed in a fire in the capital on sunday more than 40 people were killed when this fire tore through one of the oldest markets and burned out

a factory the cause isn't yet know the building's owner and manager have been arrested in march later on in sochi is headed to the un's highest court in the netherlands to defend our country against genocide charges the case was filed by gambia on behalf of the organization of islamic cooperation it accuses me of maher violating the un's genocide convention with its crackdown on more henschel muslims 2 years ago the number of sudanese troops fighting in yemen has dropped by more than 10000 so dance prime minister says 15000 soldiers were initially part of the saudi m iraqi led coalition battling who the rebels. says a political solution is the only way to end this 4 year conflict after the headlines keep it here on al-jazeera more news to come studio b. unscripted as that next.

then there are rich countries we use hunger as a weapon it's much more difficult to be left wing and to be right wing you know because the history of the left is full of lies and betrayal oh it has to be subversive if you don't have a level of anger about you stand you know. what i tried to do is to turn my own life into a weapon to challenge and to question social violence one of the main issue for the people of my childhood was that we would always be dismissed as fictional my name use it while we. are 33 books about poverty and the working class in which i grew up. may shields for. 50 years or more. i'm

a man of the left and have been since the early 1960 s. so i want to thank them for is why for example. cannes movies are about people like me about poverty about the working class and really spoke to me like nothing before it's just the window why. do you. really think i want to. really. yeah. i'm interested to meet him because his writing is very extraordinary and has experienced hardship and aggression at 1st hand can watch is one of the artists my and my other most on the earth is a hero for me so i can't wait to meet him and have this conversation with him. he's a different generation to me and we'll see the demands of the left needs to make me

. maybe differently so i think there's a lot for talking. i'm going to start in my last book who killed my father i tried to talk about about my father and about my father's life and the fact is that my father when he was 35 had an accident at the factory where was working and when his father and grandfather were working before and he could not work for several years and after that the french state kind of harassed him to go back to work so basically telling him if you don't go back to work you will lose your benefits and in fact this book was

much. made possible and inspired by your movie by daniel blake and i have the impression that the focus of your movie of the new black is political and social persecution and i think in the left in the past until today and it's still true in a way but we talked a lot about social exclusion as being one of the main 2 that oppress poor people in excluded people but what i feel from my father's life or for the character of daniel bake or it's even more true if you think about people of color were being persecuted by police brutality police force and everything and do you think that prosecution as a political tool is a modern of conservative politics and. it's a huge issue that really interval give really good point i think you begin to the economics. work is change so that and there is

a lot of precarious work. i know a lot of it is very badly paid and the minimum wage is very low. and there are now ways of not paying the minimum wage so people have to be made so they will take. bad work for low pay and one way to do that is is to make it so that if you're if you're not working you really suffer and even if you know working because you're ill or you're disabled it still has to be vetted sake of rubbish job on poverty pay than to be supported by by all of us but i mean they say by the state i thought it should be all of us you know because we live together we look after each other we're in trouble so therefore. it's certainly true i think in both our countries. for us the benefits system is punitive you have to apply for a nonexistent job for 35 hours a week if you're an hour or 2 short you'll be sanctioned and then you're sanctioned

and then you don't get your money and then you get into debts and then you can pay the rent and then you might be evicted so that the threat of that is so dreadful that yes. a badly paid in secure job just to not be in that position and the cruel thing. i mean we call the conscious cruelty because because they know there was a case or could talk forever about this. i mean that. i mean the a man in a job center in wales in turn ethically 65 years old he was ill his doctors said he couldn't work but they forced him to work he sat in the chair and he collapsed and he died and it's going on week after week month after month they are today who would have thought. then in our rich country we use hunger as

a weapon and the rise in charity food as well 2 thirds of food banks as an organization called the just interest they gave 1600000 charity food banks last year over half a 1000000 of them went to children and children can't eat i mean we live under a government that treats people with absolute contempt maria it would presume in your movies since the very beginning people are dying you know and also this is this is the very truth of of what politics is that you you can die in front if you are working less person you have 50 percent more chance to die before 65 years old and it was the same with your women you can die from masculine violence if you if you're a queer person you have like much more chance to kill yourself. as a gauge i always had ideas of killing myself and it's very banal you know it's like that what so many gay people in djibouti people share the same thing if you're not

white if you're black if you're an arab in france you can be killed by the police so really belonging to a certain category means that you a exposed to a premature death you know and it's very bizarre because the people who are that power to either kill us or risk us spends their time i doing what politics really he's you know and we have movies or of books or art in order to show what they do and what they i did while while doing it and i think that's also what why your movies are are so powerful because they're showing this this truth like people die from politics and then you cannot have like just a cone quiet conversation about politics because you're talking about people who don't leave any more yes i think what pollutes our politics is that we. that the public discourse doesn't reflect the struggles that people have it's

a propaganda machine almost the entire press is on one side and a more used to be thought of as a kind of market they left paper. is now not left at all but i think it's in writing like your books that you can find your voice but that voice should be in our best mass media it should be in television and you don't hear forces like you or if it did if we did hear your voice it would be marked with a health warning. which happens to all of us also there is something that i wanted to discuss because i'm not sure we owe agree on that ok there it is i wrote about this this small village that used to be in this trio village in the north of france or in a sickly or my family was working at the factory yes and i saw the bodies of my father and my grandfathers and all the people around me in the village and i saw

them suffering so much from working at the factory you know being that physically exhausted big physically humiliated even all the time and so nowadays when i watch the news on t.v. and i see that like a factories closing in europe i can't help having a little like joy you know in saying i don't want people to do this anymore and for me the responsibilities to the states to give money to these people who don't have jobs anymore do you know organize there are so many new ways of doing politics tax on the robots tax on the capital tags on the market doctrine and i think this is the real issue and sometimes i don't i don't understand the left where they are saying like we should save our factories and everything because i don't want people to do this no but i think there are 2 things on the one hand you don't to do dirty dangerous exploitative work. but equally i think it's a natural instinct what keeps you seeing gaged in society is everyone makes

a contribution everyone joins in never together function and then you get you have a sense of self-respect and pride and that's my contribution and i have a presence i have a function and i think that that's very important to every where you can to be other forms that's what we traditionally call work can be people creating like soccer teams then yeah this is yeah absolutely so but this is not recognized by the by the state as a work most of the time no i agree but i mean they what happened to the mines in arkansas is a classic example of that i mean money is if any job is dirty and dangerous mining is you know 8 hours a day underground my father's family role miners apart from my father and my grandfather's a miner and the kids said nothing job you'd want your child to go into but they had amazing communities and when the mines were shut in the towards the

end of the eighty's in the ninety's when touch of you know consciously took on the miners to beat them because of their militancy and their strength their communities were just left to rot now. you know in a proper. society you would you find in your investment you wouldn't leave people did nothing so the community would be protected with a useful function instead of as happened with the capitalism it ok the capital closes down and we just the money goes somewhere else but at the same time these communities can be difficult and they can be toxic and growing up gay you know in a working class media it was extremely difficult for me to be part of that community because it this community didn't want me you know so i wish the community was less strong at that time but i understand your point in the fact that when

people live i left isolated they don't go to unions they don't go on strike and everything which is an issue but you know like what is the solution because there is something very violent and very difficult about those communities also and today we have an opportunity to create you know all the communities that we were not born in like through the internet i didn't choose the community of my childhood and i want i don't want capitalism to destroy communities but i want to be able to escape a community is a leaf i want you know yeah that's a fair point in general i think people are more tolerant and the major communications like the internet have broadened people's expectations but i think people are generous when they feel secure and they're more narrow when they feel insecure and you know whether it's a village or whether it's a city i think it's generosity of spirit comes out of security i mean i think it's a it's part of it and also it's i think it's not everything i think there are still

some mechanism you know of love of racism and of masculine violence that are a part but it is also true what you what you say about insecurity and i think we see it from your movies the fact that when people live in insecurity. constant social violence coming you know on them on the shoulder and they end up being like tends to you know leave it is that it happens that sometimes we have a bad day i tore in about there were some and we go home and we are being a little bit aggressive even when someone we love you know gay and we say why why did i do that you know because you surf are doing the day and then you have like these you know i don't sleep comes part of your flesh and part of your being then exactly i mean it is the it comes from stress doesn't it when you work you put on a smile you know you're in the world you place in the public face when you get home and if you work a long day then that he don't have to do this and that's when the pressure comes

out and that's when i mean we just been working with precarious workers drivers working 12 hours with no break at all just to get a living wage and save the care workers many of the people doing in the gig on the mic and then the stress of economic of having got enough money you know at the end of the week. means that when you get home if you're patient or the person you live with the patient for the kids you haven't seen the kids and that's where the stress comes from comes from from economic hardship i think you know and when governments makes violence decision in the great kind of circle of violence because people suffer from violence we'll repeat sometimes there's violence and this is make it makes it even worse i'm sure people have some thoughts about the things we've been talking about. i had a question about representations i work for and i hate where

a great pick campaign against the politics of hate and we hear from people who face a lot of the problems that you look at and you work we hear a very kind of strong sense of voiceless and people often articulate 3 narrative about kind of suppression by p.c. culture and this kind of it's a narrative of the populist right but it speaks to a sense of kind of being trapped by proves that you are not part of creating so i guess the question is how how then do you find your own voice i mean one way is to be part of an organization be part of a union because then other people will be sharing the same. concerns that you have and you can articulate is in a benign way not by simply you know reheating the prejudices that you get through the right wing press but here i think be part of a group came into a group. for both a mother anything anything where the good people and then and then the best tends

to surface what is important is to create spaces where people feel comfortable where they can speak and i think those spaces can be a movie or an organization or an association can be a book it can be can be a place a political party so many different things and it's what your movies did to me you know the. were spaces in which i could say i suffered and people around me sir for it you know and i think it's extremely difficult to get there when when when i published i talk of turnabout there but when i published my my 1st novels in of eddie talking about poverty and and my life in the north of france my mother came to me and she told me why do you say we are poor you know and she did she didn't want me to say that she didn't want me to say it because actually she's ashamed of being poor you know because the governments and the people in the governments make

her believe that if she's boy it's because of her that it's her for that she's responsible for that so at the end she doesn't want to say i suffer anymore she she and it becomes a huge political issue because if the people who suffer don't want to say that they serve for you know if out can you change the world and how can you make it better you know if people don't want to say i suffer so i've worked with the homeless for over 70 years and what do you guys think about homelessness in the u.k. as we are one of the richest countries well out and do you guys really government care about hopelessness. they care about the housing market they don't care about home and the idea that the market will provide the people of course is false because they've built and sold investments for people to buy them now live in because they will increase in value whereas as you know probably better than me last christmas under 30000 children we're in temporary accommodation and i

don't to be party political will i do want to believe but the i mean the idea of building council houses that are built by them in this a palette of health centers and schools and make life a joy to live in. and i think it's anyway but we won't get. with this government has been and yet the situation in france is pretty much the same there are people in the streets everywhere and there is this also this constant. state of lies in the in the political field saying we don't have money we don't have money we can do that because we don't have money and of course the money is so money's everywhere you know it's just that. the hands of a very few people have you ever seen a child seeing a homeless person for the 1st time the kids are so shocked the 1st day most of the times like why this person is sleeping on the street like here and this

violence becomes so normal you know and we all accept it in a way and that frightens me but how do you force these people in the governments to take action and to change the situation they don't kill they think it's normal i think it's not i think we have to get rid of them yes so there is a way they would say yeah. i would be interested to know what you think about the role of technology in movements which at the moment we we're seeing are really changing the face of politics for example hong kong for example chile for example extension rebellion that's one question the other one is the rule of empathy. because which in your films has always allowed me see he'll put those who i don't know. really big

i'm the wrong person to ask for that because i can barely turn my phone on. but i think i think clearly a can spread the message it can communicate with a great number of people who are still by the same. but the same campaign the same ideas i think the problem is that you have to move on from that because otherwise we don't know how to effect the change you know unless you can analyze the the the forces that are driving us to disaster and how we intervene against them. how you're going to proceed so i think i think it's got to be tied to political analysis and i do think it has to be tied to an organized coherent political move whether you call the party or not i don't know i think in our case i think be resealed do need a party i mean we've had huge issues with with parties and i mean the labor party is a classic example it's been led by people who were committed to making capitalism work

you know and just getting the crumbs off the table so the interests of the working class have not been represented in power and democracy the 2nd part of the role of empathy i've asked you know. well empathy comes from i guess from solidarity action doesn't is where you say right i'm not in that there's exact struggle but i will withdraw my labor in sympathy because then you can say ok you're on strike you're absolutely right the issues that you face will come to us unless we join with you and then we can use our strength. as a class just briefly about new technologies when in from there was the yellow vests movement people protesting against social violence against poverty against the french state. there wasn't

a massive. reaction from the from from from the dominion class who hated these people in the streets you know they couldn't bear it and they were saying only look at these people they are dirty they are ridiculous they are fat they are stupid they are and at that time like in the mainstream media it was extremely difficult to talk about what was going on and the social media where plitt were a place where you could edit things and i wrote it takes about the you know this movement and i put it on twitter because i thought it's the only place where i can you know say what i have to say and social media and new technologies are an example of that of we can use power against our position on empathy i'm more comfortable with the. idea of. confronting people and making them feel bad in a place of empathy you know i want i want to make people feel bad in a way i love it i want i want people to see kids' movies or darden's brothers

movies or you know by region can smoothies and say what do i do you know what is my role in this violence what in the fight do nothing i should feel bad about it look at what these people are going through but what interests me is to is to really use out to make people feel uncomfortable you know it's a very you know role of courts and now it is something people say oh i feel uncomfortable i don't feel safe you hear it's a lot in the us in the academic media or in the media sphere but being uncomfortable is what you do you know make you feel like what are you doing against that you know to confront you to your to your non action to what you are not doing and i really it's what i hope. the rise of the far right it's

a huge threat because it's hiding the interest of the big corporations behind a kind of phony nationalism and populism i think it's a beautiful thing to put security in the mouth of the effort and to say when we talk about security we don't talk about repression we talk about helping people in such a critical moment now with struggling to find a vatican progressive way of living together. join me as i put the upfront questions to my special guests and challenge them to some straight talking political debate here on al-jazeera. and the testimonies from lebanese women who are staying single. good schools. in a religious society already in the political and social tension.

the case for the arab world as a whole. by choice. i'm richelle carey and these are the top stories on al-jazeera at least one person has been killed after a volcano erupted off the coast of new zealand's north island police are warning that number could rise up to 50 people were on are near the island at the time of the eruption some of those are still unaccounted for a number of people have been injured including at least one critically. some of those people have been transported to shore however there is a number still remaining on the oil who are currently unaccounted for i can confirm there's one fertility. information we have is lucky to be more that of f.b.i.

investigation into the shooting at a u.s. naval base in florida says they're working on the presumption the attack was an act of terrorism a saudi national who was there to receive training shot dead 3 students on friday defense secretary mark asked for says he's ordered to review betting procedures for foreign military personnel coming to the u.s. . thousands of ukrainians have rallied against president. planned meeting with vladimir putin is crazy and forces have been fighting separatists backed by moscow for 5 years now in eastern ukraine a strike is being called in hong kong to mark 6 months since the start of anti-government protests organizers say the movement shows no sign of slowing as hundreds of thousands join one of the largest marches on sunday place in india say they do not expect to recover any more bodies from a building that was destroyed in a fire in the capital on sunday more than 40 people were killed it is the worst

fire in the city in more than 2 decades the cause is not yet known but the building's owner and manager have been arrested myanmar's later on son sochi is headed to the un's highest court in the netherlands to defend her country against genocide charges the case was filed by gambia on behalf of the organization of islamic cooperation it accuses me and maher of violating the un's genocide convention with its crackdown on the henschel muslims 2 years ago the number of sudanese troops fighting in yemen has dropped by more than 10000 sudan's prime minister says 15000 soldiers were initially part of the saudi led coalition battling who the rebels. says a political solution is the only way to end before your conflict there so the headlines keep it here on al-jazeera return to studio b. unscripted. in front if you are working class person you're 50 percent more chance to die

before 65 years old the public discourse doesn't reflect the struggles that people have it's a propaganda machine how do you force these people in the governments to change the situation i think we have to give it to them yes if there is a way they would change. one thing that we mentioned before we started was a problem that will you cross europe and in the states and that is the rise of the far right will have different experiences in this. and. how the left should respond why the right has risen in the way it has because vox in spain there's the pending salvation in italy in italy but also how english has both numbers ill and there's the eastern countries poland is got a very big government and so on and it's a huge thing i think has it hiding the interest the big corporations behind

a kind of phony nationalism and populism why do you think it's risen in france and how should the left respond. there is if i would answer in 2 words hearing. no i think you're absolutely right and that it's really frightening in fact in the village where i grew up many people were voting for the far right so i not only i tried to understand it but i experienced it like for my flesh like physically my father was waiting for the far right my own might my mother like my family in general was voting for the far right and the things they would say was always the the left doesn't care about you know anymore they don't talk about us and they would say the far right is the only ones who talk about you know so they only want to address our lives our bodies what we are what we are going through so certainly one of the reasons why the far right is so powerful today is the fact

that most of the so-called left the socialist parties around europe like but the socialist spending germany. laboring in england they have basically stopped talking about poor people about work about paying about suffering about class about and so they renewed the language and erased these people so many working class people felt that they didn't have a space anymore in the left where they could speak and so they slowly went to the far right i think also one of the one of the maybe more complex things is some. the inability for a certain left to not address very contemporary issues you know to to because we seen your movie the last one so sorry we missed you that the son of the family the young kid is like 15 or 16 years old is revolting against our the world is

working you know and you see the same thing in from there so many people from from the younger generation my brothers and sister are 1920 years old and they are not the same that my father used to be you know for example they don't they don't want to have bosses anymore you know they don't want to have i were kids anymore they don't want to have like ours anymore like a strict schedule where they go to work and everything and and for me it's wonderful you know for me it's a it's a it's a revolutionary vibe you know people are saying i don't want to boss threatening me humiliating me so like giving me orders and everything and the fact is that most of the left is unable to talk about it and only as a write in the far right say ok we are going to do or we are going to do deliver or we are going to break you know the the work contracts and everything and the left has been unable to try to find a left wing language to that what it means for us if revenue generation of people like this young kid in so we re missed you who say i don't want to have

a boss anymore it must be the most beautiful thing for us leftwing people and we really need to renew the language of the left don't you think nationally i mean i think the the left really is. with their prime interest was in making certain business worked it was in the interest of the word pass and their security and their income and their work and i think the last point you make inventing and flex is called flexibility here and either right wing lang we are that way they need to it would work well if it's flexible of they say they then. working phone up and say sorry boss i'm not coming today no reason but i was the one to be paid so it only works in the interest of the employer and i think it's it's fine when you're young that you have a kind of fairly casual relationship with work but when people have families and they have bills they must pay and they do need the securing and he kind

of a secure income that you've got a security job because if you don't have another system right yes very build a better system with more welfare and with more you know protection we could imagine a world where where you know we don't not flexibility but liberty you know here free by the fine i mean maybe in cooperatives or collectives absolutely so that it but there's got to be a coherent steers i think but i think the biggest problem with the left well in our country is identified its interests with the employers. what is very marketable here is that the labor party has done 180 degree shift. when coburn was elected leader and now they are talking about the interests of work that people will be taught about rice's work like a health service that will really you won't have to wait months for an operation and so on social care you know looking after all people. with some dignity

everybody you know getting a ways they can actually live on. investing in those areas that have been neglected which are left wrecked. and they are talking about that now and also about protecting the who are trying to mitigate the effects of climate change and and turning that around the other problem is the abuse and this mia's and the lies that are told about someone of the left trying to trying to instigate those changes is very intense so i think that's a big issue but in a sense our agree with me is that we have to find a new language to reinterpret the basic demands that people have been waiting for and i always have the impression that. you know people like my father was at the same time voting for the far right at the same time saying you know gay people should be killed everything is very violent things against gay people and at

the same time when there was a gay man assaulted by a group of other guys in the village my father went there and have that guy yes i dig into the others you don't touch him or destroy you you know yes and so i always have this feeling that people always of so many different people within same you know and so all these people now vote for the far right and sometimes they like very violent things against gay people against what they call migrants and everything like this people they are authors most abilities of being inside themselves you know and i think you bring that out very well let's see i mean you he showed the contradictory impulses in people and i think that's really that's very precisely done in your writing and you know it's the same person will be generous and irrationally harsh. and they don't understand why they say brutal but they're contradictory elements thing their fate too but in a way you want

a system that brings the best the best out of people that's why you should build a strong left you will push people to go on the other direction like the the better possibility of being that they have within themselves yes you will drive them to go that way and you're the other way and eventually then the violence will disappear or some hearing like again i think it comes out of security isn't it you know if you're secure you can be gentle. if you will if you are not threatened yourself you can welcome people who are. who needs help you know whether they're seeking asylum or for whatever reason or the issues within people in your community if you feel good about yourself then you can be generous if you feel frightened if you feel in danger if you feel hopeless if you feel cynical then you push people away. so how would you interpret the fact that dominion class have the security and they are not necessarily well coming because they can then they maintain their security by

keeping everything else. beyond their i mean they're totally ruined that's how they control the empire isn't it you know. by keeping they didn't didn't just people in their place and here it was keeping the working class in this place. they couldn't afford to be generous you know because that's what they wealth depended on but that's why we need a different kind of a society based on equality of brotherhood and liberty. but also of this feeling that it's. it's extremely difficult to rebuild a new left in order to fight the right wing or rise because i have the impression that today you know way the far right already won the battle you know people always ask me do you think the fowey can win the election the inference and i always answer but they already won you know because they are everywhere because as soon as they say something it will be everywhere you know in the media on the front page of

all newspapers so you just have to say basically a very stupid racist thing and it would be everywhere it is so there is like a kind of fascination yes for the far right and suddenly realized fear i think absolutely right and i mean and when you were doing left wing things and you were trying to say new things it doesn't have the same effect you know you create a discussion and we are supposed to answer that you know it's everywhere on t.v. in the in the newspapers in on the radio you know the question and you are constantly invited to go in to discuss their issues yes yeah exactly but one level is quite simple the process and we have a far right press here most of the press is on the far right so that it's the public discourse as opposed to what's going on on twitter and facebook i guess is dominated by the writing agenda so the when the left somebody from the left is on they don't take their ideas their there to comment on the right wing agenda. and

the mechanisms that control is very clear in their press is by identify the same influence with the press is owned by they which talks. you don't live here they are in the depressed and they tell us what to think i mean one thing we do have to do is have a policy for that to not to defend the freedom of the press be devious stablished the freedom of the press. and i think. i mean and. point is the the left and how we how we regenerated. the thing is that it's much more difficult to be left wing than to be right wing you know because precisely the history of the left is full of lies and betrayal of people pretending to be not being left you know when people write things they are really right really . even if they are worse than they think was the right time but let's open up

the conversation again yes absolutely yes because the stead of a few things i have both of your work deals with tend to do with working class protagonist i think among the greatest successes of cares was the fact that it had to start a sick outreach and was a reference point to everyone in the seventy's everybody sort of knew it even if we hadn't seen the whole film in europe but if your work can still able to have that same outreach is it still accessible or even with a working class children still be able to know about i don't you play cool or sorry we missed you and i wonder at your work still able to access the sort of working class white middle classes the state in this back in the seventy's. i mean i think as an artist you should never take it for granted and you should always try to make this work visible and irritable inaccessible to other people and that's why it's a very important as a writer as a director to go in the streets to demonstrate to be part of like political

organisation to go in different contexts to go to high schools to talk to students and i think it's never enough to just do a book or movie you have i think as an artist a responsibility to try to engage a conversation beyond that you were you were talking about which people why they don't care about poor people it's because it's the interest because they are rich because some people are poor but it works the same way with culture you know some people have called. because other people don't have culture you know some people have diplomas because other people don't have the plumbers and everything is linked to this kind of primal exclusion so i think if you really want to be a progresses than a leftwing autists you have to try to question that and to try to undo the fact that the very definition of culture is the gap between people who have access to it and people who don't have access to it and and going in the streets writing think

texting the media going to to talk like this we people is a way of overcoming it a little bit because the film i mean even a good one casts in their career really lingers on like it did abut the. last 2 films the we've had what we call community screenings where the film can be hired by you know a community group or a trade union or a church hall or room above a pub or wherever you can have a quite cheaply. charge for admission keep the money or give it to a campaign or charity and it gets to the areas where people would not get or not house and even if there were one and the there isn't one so and we had nearly $700.00 community screenings of identical blake which is ever completely a novel thing you know the films could be shown outside cinemas and it was amazing and with this new one they're going to try and do the same thing i think you both

embodied the answer to this question but i think i'm going to ask you in an age of crisis what do you think is the value of art. well you heard it well 1st of all art should be anything it should be what the imagination produces you know i mean the moment you start saying it should be there so it should work in this way or it should you know then then you kill creativity and you end up with stalinists and the last or you end up with told the commercial but i think what we can do if you're lucky enough to make films about a book or whatever it is you can use that you can uphold the principles of how we live you know the great humanitarian values of equality fraternity and liberty we can just say look these are the principles of how we should live. i

think all twill do better if we if we criticize arts more often you know when for me it was very strange when i arrived in the cultural media completely by accident when i started to write my books i met so many people in cinema or in nutrition or in publishing and they thought that they were progresses than liberals just because they were dealing with arts and it's not enough you know and movies have been excluding poor people i mean including black people being excluded critics reading you know like gay people for so long you know and so when toni morrison. for american writer wrote beloved in so many other masterpieces when she started to write about black people in the us it was against the mainstream definition of what ought should be of what ought was and ease and and so i think also we should always challenge the idea that art is good as such you know you do good out if

you're andree art is also and sometimes it's art can be just a tool that that the bourgeoisie will used to feel good about themselves you know under you know i do or this is a portal. the last thing we want is a picture gallery sponsored by the old. and i think that art has to be subversive and a you're dead right if he don't have a level of anger about you then stay at home you know. because you've got to connect and he you've got to connect to the feelings people have and. when the great pillars of vatican politics is juggle and you learn to struggle and you create these jokes and this you're right there's an establishment in litter to the literary figures in the stablished and in the films and in theater and if you're comfortable exactly and sometimes they are even worth and they're like the money people because they're just so sure about their you know you know are so sure that they are on the good side forever you know so yes we have to try and i'm so pleased

you say that i mean i am actually. this is more for edward you spoke a lot about. making people feel bearable as a means for making them change why that as opposed to inspiring people to change i mean for me it's part of the it's part of the same thing it drives the same it comes from the same source and it's the same energy it's because you find something unbearable that you will be in a position where you have to find the inspiration to make the situation more bearable by definition and so i always found that. the most difficult books the most violent books and the most violent movies in the most difficult movies were always the most beautiful you know way because they were showing reality you know they were showing things and it was unbearable but then it

creates within you the energy to do something else to something different and if you think about the gay movement if you think about the tremendous movement if you think about the marxist movement they were making very sad statements things. we are living in a state of the nation we are living you know as a women you are being subjected to violence and everything and then you you know you have to you have to change it our world is violent and ugly and you have to show it in order to inspire people to change it because it's the way it works it's finally you see reality when i see ken movies i think i finally see reality and finally is here and it's not beautiful people are suffering people are going through difficult things but it gives me so much strength your movies are beautiful because they are sad well ed yeah. yeah i mean they. do deflector easier but i mean there are moments of tenderness in your books

a bit you know inspiring i think and there's a gentleness and there are moments of tenderness and that's what is surprising i always forget to talk about it but yes it's true. anything that they're going about tenderness. i would like to ask what these like sustainable safe space for my note the people for example feel cannot adjust to school or they could company like society you think it's very complex but for sure we need to. flip the script and get rid of our i told governments because it's not going to happen within these governments you need some very strong policies to create space spaces for people who are threatened like in many different ways that as a as women as i was as people of color i think we there are so many thing we can invent you know but it will happen only if we change things the idea ever is

dangerous we need one small safe space is his notes and i mean every space should be so. i think it comes back to security if everyone is secure and doesn't feel threatened then we are tolerant but it's imbedding that into a into our daily routine into where people were they. where they get of a like sation or whatever i love when you talk about security because in france it's the 10 like talking about security is that very often like a right wing things because when people talk about if we need security they like it really is an army a oh yeah yeah i think it's a beautiful thing to put security in the mouth of the effort and to say when we talk about security we don't talk about army we don't talk about police we don't talk about repression we talk about helping people about welfare about social security political of agenda of securities it's beautiful on also for the question

of minority you know you have. gender sexual minorities yes you had the question of security it's extremely important and security is a beautiful word yeah yeah i mean it has 2 meanings absolutely. but the since we're coming to the end what we've been saying really leads up to i think the fact that we are to such a critical moment now. with struggling to find a vatican a progressive way of of living together. and. you're expressing very clearly and very precise about what we need is our country in a slide if position to where you are in the west or europe in france and other countries because we do have a mass party of the left that would make big changes the question is whether that will happen a lot and whatever happens in the when the choice is made that we mustn't stop these advances we must give up the possibility of living together collectively

i know the words are different but it's kind of political significance in that it it must reflect in the details of how we organize our lives but the the guiding principle is what is the common good i think that people should try to change the situation should go in forward to trying to change its situation i don't i wouldn't talk about common good because in my goodness it is again. a wellness you know so it's not so the common good it's the good for all of the people who suffer the people who have everything but then but then can we change them having everything so that we we share it we will see.

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work in the east was through much of iran since no to the high levels as well what a banker can see that on at the satellites as we go through monday the washouts coming in behind that system working their way through the eastern end of the mediterranean pushing across into syria becoming more widespread on the chews day and sunny plenty of cloud on tuesday or all of this a pushing south was keeping those temperatures lower just 17 in baghdad 21 here a city and look at the rain now this rain is working its way south was through the gulf bringing rain across into bahrain and eventually on into account of a sunny day on monday the rain though really is expected to be quite heavy at times as we go through choose a and very extensive as well as you can see working its way still across into the southern areas of iraq and then from there we had further to the south we're watching out like i'm bella it is monday that it is expected to actually make landfall but sunday produce some very heavy amounts of rain pushing into these

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world cup 2019. join us for special coverage. december on. a volcano erupts in new zealand tourists visit the crater at least one person is dead more than 20 missing. i'm sammy's a than this is al jazeera live from the hall so coming up fear and despair among muslims in india's parliament debates a contentious bill critics say discriminates against them so than simple until paramilitary forces the r.s.x. under pressure of rights group says it's a threat to democracy. and accusations of israeli torture we speak to

a family in the occupied west bank about their ordeal. now a volcano off the coast of new zealand has a rap today's. tourists were visiting at least one person has died after 50 people including tourists from a cruise ship were on white island when the volcano sent a plume of smoke and ash thousands of meters into the air rescuers say it's currently too dangerous to go to the site new zealand's deputy police commissioner says 23 people made it off the island but many remain unaccounted for. some of these people have been transported to shore however there's a number still remaining on the oil and who are currently unaccounted for i can confirm there's one fertility can based on information we have is likely to be more

now speaking at an emergency briefing new zealand's prime minister just under a durned confirmed ter groups tour groups rather world on the island at the time of the eruption we know already that there were a number of tourists on or around the island at the time both new zealanders and visitors from overseas i know there will be a huge amount of consuming ending sidey for those who have loved ones on or around the island at the time and i can assure them police are doing everything they can speak now to shannon red stalls in auckland she's a reporter with news new zealand good to have you with us let's start with the people of all the missing been accounted for by now i know so more than half of the people but it's said to have been on the island at the time messing and you heard that deputy police commissioner say 23 people have been rescued.