tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera January 28, 2020 9:00pm-10:00pm +03
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talking how he was disturbed as he went over to the region the fact that he saw the plate and felt that this was unacceptable talking about the injection is part of this plan to try and combat that the timeline a little different than what we 1st heard initially we heard that this would be implemented over 3 years the president both the israeli leader saying for and also a little headline there from the u.s. president that he sent a letter to president abbas to discuss this timeline saying that he has pledged support in order to achieve a what will be a contiguous state for palestinians and also for israelis and of course that becomes very complex given the fact that there are jewish settlements in the west bank one other top line that i saw in here of course you said already folly at the top and that is israeli sovereignty over the jordan valley of the reiterated there by the israeli leader given the fact that they argue this is
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a strategic for israel's security all right kimberly thank you very much kimberly how good life or assad the white house says kimberly said the status of jerusalem is at the heart of these really palestinian conflicts in 1907 the u.n. voted to divide pound assigning 2 with the ultimate goal of establishing a jewish and an arab state not under the plantar will smith was given a special international satis augustinian arabs and zionists on groups continued to fight for control of the city in may $948.00 israel declared itself a state triggering an arab israeli war west and came under israeli control and jordan took charge of easter will stem in 1967 after the 6 day war the israelis occupied east jerusalem and i mix it entirely in 1980 israel's parliament then declared jerusalem its capital the scene in cæsar with them as their future capital but now donald trump says the whole of jerusalem will be part of israel under his deal take
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a listen. under this vision jerusalem will remain israel's undivided very important only divided capital. live to harry fawcett's in jerusalem forest western more precisely so harry as we've said a plan and we suspected this set heavily favors israel chose them remains the undivided capital of israel also the israel's west bank settlements would be recognized by the united states a number of points that favor israel how is this deal of the century as it's being called by netanyahu and president how will it be received in israel face. well i think by netanyahu supporters the vast majority of them it will be welcomed already we've seen the sensorites party blue and white led by benny gantz head of this unveiling approve and indorse this plan as a basis according to guns for
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a negotiated settlement in the future but there are a key things here which hugely in israel's favor this by all the talk from donald trump about having to do something big for the palestinians namely as you say jerusalem as israel's undivided capital at the same time as saying that eastern jerusalem in donald trump's words would be the palestinian state of a future certain palestinian capital of a future palestinian state in which a u.s. embassy could one day be built but does that really mean east jerusalem or does it mean an area outside a suburb of eastern jerusalem with jerusalem itself left undivided and the other key thing just briefly to say is that there was talk of this 4 year delay a 4 year freeze allowing the palestinians to come around potentially before israel did any major changes in the occupied west bank that is totally being thrown out
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now that this is being revealed benjamin netanyahu saying the jordan valley israeli areas israeli settlements in the west bank will have sovereignty extended to them immediately and the only freeze on taking further land from areas designated as palestinian territory by the the outline of this deal so that isn't a huge concession by any stretch of the imagination to the palestinians this really is pretty much the worst deal i think the palestinians could have expected they've already been rejecting it that was that will continue there were. still say at one point president from the peace plan calls for the doubling of palestinian territory but but where would this territory be. exactly well the palestinians already say that they have been left with a 22 percent rump of what is historic palestine in terms of what comprises the occupied territories as they are even with israeli settlements and areas see the
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israeli controlled areas inside the occupied west bank even if you count that so if you take all of that away we're talking about potentially half of that territory with the the jordan valley that's about 30 percent of that territory so if you're just talking about doubling what is currently palestinian controlled that is miles and miles away from the palestinian aspiration as it always has been for its own fully sized states with a few potentially a few land swaps here in the right that's very different from most just being unveiled and so what about then the that that the talk of negotiations you know between israelis and palestinians benny gantz has said he would want to talk to the palestinians about this plan if he was elected and he couldn't really criticize it before and now in fact because he does one he doesn't want to alienate voters ahead of the election. next week so i mean where where where do things stand as far as
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israeli palestinian negotiations. well i mean i think the palestinians already have seen they have rejected this wolf and for years now they've rejected the very idea of what they see is a totally biased u.s. administration coming up with any kind of a plan that they could accept those part of stations have got more voluble in the last few days as leaks of the merged now we have this plan which i think will be on the low end of what they are expecting even given those sorts of expectations so i don't see any prospect anytime soon of negotiations indeed donald trump has made it clear that he doesn't see that either he's giving them what he says is a 4 year window to try to get used to the idea and try to accommodate themselves to what the what what both trump and netanyahu called is a more realistic kind of peace plan but it's one that as we've just been saying
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really does cut off at the knees a lot of the major aspirations for a future palestinian state which had been in existence for decades as for jerusalem one key thing is that both netanyahu and trump talked about the status quo of the religious sites not being touched a low trump did so in pretty odd language having just made jokes about mike pompei his secretary of state's treating treatment of a u.s. journalist in the midst of all of his talk about the concessions he was saying he was giving to the palestinians he also referred to what he referred to as the temple mount which is what the jews call the the most holy site in the old city of jerusalem and for muslims is the ox a mosque compound of the harmless or if he called it the mosque right so even in a presentation from donald trump there will be fault found no doubt and harry thank you very much for that harry fosset eye for us in western stem as harry mentioned
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there relations between the u.s. and the palestinians have become where sunday present donald trump washington has cut 200. if $21000000.00 in financial support for palestinians it's also withdrawn $300000000.00 it used to give to the un agency supporting palestinian refugees and the u.s. under trampas calls the p.l.o. as if an admission in washington d.c. as part of its middle east peace plan the u.s. has said it will create a $50000000000.00 global investment fund for palestinians and neighboring arab states secretary of state michael has reverse u.s. policy on illegal israeli settlements in the occupied west bank he disagrees with a previous state department opinion that said the settlements are inconsistent with international law it is only reasonable that i have to do a lot for the palestinians or it just wouldn't be fair don't clap for that ok but it's true it wouldn't be fair i want this deal to be
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a great deal for the palestinians there has to be today's agreement is a historic opportunity for the palestinians to finally achieve an independent state of their very own. stephanie forests in gaza stephanie. says that offers palestinians a path to a future state but under certain conditions for instance if palestinian leaders took new political measures renounce violence and took steps to negotiate with israel what will palestinian leaders especially those in gaza where you are make of this. well we've already had a reaction from hamas rejecting the business out right and saying it's going to confront it with quote all means necessary i just want to go back to point there about being fair i think the imagery of what we saw there with the total absence of any palestinian leader and even no palestinian leader having been consulted when it comes to this plan shows you how one sided it is perceived by the palestinians this
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is why there is frustration this is why they're rejecting it outright and certainly all the aspirations of the palestinians a lot of them are being pulled from under the rug i think the devil is absolutely in the detail this is an 80 page plan we're going to have to look at it look at the map what are the borders look like what is the land look like but the one reference made to gaza was by the israeli prime minister he said how much in this needed to be disarmed and gaza demilitarized well i can tell you that that is going to be extremely difficult the factions here in gaza see their armed struggle their our presence as legitimate resistance to israeli occupation of palestinian land you now seem to have the u.s. green light for the israelis to annex the settlements in the occupied west bank this is of course seen under international law as palestinian land so i think it's a bleak view it's been handed to them yes they've had they have for years to look at it as donald trump said to analyze it to come back to talk to us about it but i
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think on the outset certainly there is outrage on all the palestinians they are meeting in the west bank as we speak all the factions and this is a new. farley hamas and fatah they are arch rivals if you will you had the political leader ismail haniya calling for the palestinian president mahmoud abbas earlier to talk about this to say that we are together in the in the bunker when it comes to the abuse of our rights and i think we're going to have to just wait and see how things play out you're seeing some small protests across gaza at the moment hundreds of people certainly not tens or hundreds of thousands but i think politically would have to wait and see what the response is and then and then look at how you know the next right hours are going to unfold i just come i want to come back to to you know one of the points he made about the establishment of a palestinian state in the future which begs the question where i mean he's talking about the jordan valley not being an excel so most of the west bank settlements on
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days really sovereignty where would this future palestinian state be and he talked about east jerusalem or eastern jerusalem as a future capital yet at the same time saying that jerusalem should remain the undivided capital of israel. well like everything when it comes to this story it's all about the language and the terminology you use and with that you are already giving a very important message he didn't say east jerusalem he said eastern eastern duras many neighborhoods behind the wall exactly this is important because you're getting a message there also he said the palace a cost to palestinian state this is upon the state that's going to be de-militarized folly it's not going to have its own military capacity israel is still going to control the borders from what we understand you're talking about jordan israel sorry and saying settlements you're talking about prime minister benjamin netanyahu saying that almost immediately israeli law is going to be applied to those settlements in the west bank the occupied west bank this is
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internationally recognized palestinian occupied land the palestinian basic demolish our state along the $167.00 lines that is the entirety of the west bank that is gaza and that is east jerusalem as its capital not pockets of east jerusalem not pockets of the west bank and also you know if you look at the geography when it comes to here in gaza in the west bank there is talk about the potential tunnel underground to connect the 2 we're going to have to look at this plan fully but certainly i can tell you that the palestinians are not happy about that this is we've already hearing it now from some of its leaders so it is a plan that as the palestinians have been saying for a very long time is one sided. ok stephanie thank you for that stephanie forests in gaza let's get some more palestinian reaction and speak to me a brain who is in ramallah in the occupied west bank palestinian leaders were reacting even before this ban was made official before it was unveiled what can we
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expect from them now. they are meeting currently in the presidential headquarters and we're 2 members of have told us that they joined in their personal capacity this is the 1st time for such an invitation to be presented to them we are quite expecting the same exact statement of refusal of this whole american role in hosting and dealing with the peace process spells tins of top speaking with the american administration ever since trump has announced in december 2017 that he's going to be recognizing jerusalem as the israeli capital and moving the embassy very they see the u.s. as a by is non honest broker for peace and we've seen the more and more in today's announcement the previous deals or negotiations have always felt sure it's to what palestinians have been demanding and today we've been hearing things that cannot possibly no
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palestinian leader can agree on any plan that doesn't include even a symbolic return of refugees palestinians have been talking about this issue for so long the capital in east jerusalem we've hit we've heard trump talk about eastern jerusalem meaning the areas that are now away or beyond from there is really built wall in the west bank and palestinians have always said that they want east jerusalem asked their capital and one important thing to highlight in trump's speech today he talked about palestinians wanting or needing to prove that they are where the you. estate one way or another he didn't explicitly say it but he talked about proving it in the sense of proving that they are making do call existence and they can meet certain terms and demands and one of the things we know that the palestinians have been defusing to talk about old refusing to agree to is not
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paying the salaries of those who served time in israeli jails meaning palestinian prisoners this is an issue that's very close to the hearts of many palestinians so it's going to be hard for any either to accept anything of what has been presented today let alone listen you know has announcement of an accession all right thank you for that need a brain life for us in ramallah now benjamin netanyahu says palestinian refugees want to have the right of return to israel under donald trump's plan the palestinian refugee crisis is one of the largest and oldest in the world the majority of whom were dispossessed forced to run away or expelled when the state of israel was created in 19881 in 3 refugees worldwide is a palestinian it's estimated there are about 7200000 of them jordan holds so not just number of palestinians and more than 2000000 while 475000 refugees are never anonymously living in poverty and overcrowded camps without
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a right to work or own property in iraq they were an estimated 23000 palestinians as of 2003 that number has fallen since hundreds were killed in sectarian violence and thousands more displaced in recent years in refugees in syria especially vulnerable nearly 60 percent of them have been displaced at least once because of the conflict i want to bring in our senior political analyst who joins us live from paris so much to unpack in this deal let's start 1st sway with the timing of this announcement it's happening as donald trump's defense team is right now on the floor of the senate i think we have live pictures of that defending him in this impeachment trial also when benjamin netanyahu is in a bit of trouble back home facing corruption charges an election coming up. is is the unveiling of this so-called deal of the century both describing it really just
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a ploy to keep people distracted from the other things that are happening in their lives. well it's not just so much destructing it's also very supportive of both trump and netanyahu as you said both have been invited netanyahu by the attorney general in israel on corruption and. donald trump by the haas of representative. on abuse of power so both are really invited leaders which makes the timing and the festivities at the white house quite so realistic and i when i say so realistic i'm not exactly getting my head around it because it's a very bizarre the whole thunderous. clapping that is going on there over each and every point being raised it to a couple of leaders that are basically invited on you know on the one on the
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accusations i just mentioned and yet they're presenting this as a conflict resolution when it is the most obnoxious the most obnoxious offensive i've seen on conflict resolution in all my years of experience here you have a situation where this is presenting a lot like a wedding of sort of festivities. the bride is there the father of the bride is there but there is no groom there is no groom in the in this equation the palestinians have not accepted any of the premises of this plan oh i need the details of this plan and contrary to conventional wisdom the devil is not in the detail not in this case the devil is in the headlines in this case what we have here foley is a very clever devilishly clever repackaging of the problems the chronic problems
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in israel palestine and promoting them as soon you sions right so i give you a very quick list the settlements are illegal and destabilizing of the situation ok so from legalized them. the contentious issue of occupied is jerusalem and it's an accession by israel well drop accepted the recognition of of this an accession and move the embassy. there is a situation of partied in palestine world trump has just called it something different the words are some kind of a professional half a state on half of the west bank without any sovereignty or independence he you have a question of the violence the occupation now and the borders all of them have been repackaged as if they are solutions at any end amazing scene of an assault on peace and yet i mean that at least trying to still talking about
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a proposed transition to the 2 state solution but this plan by the us effectively puts a nail in the coffin of the 2 state solution does it not. well this is the thing because he did talk about 2 state plan but already he's granted and as netanyahu written rated with his own words to make sure the israelis understand that trump is already giving the green light for israel to annex basically half of the west bank so what is left for the palestinians the other half and that is less than 9 percent of historic palestine but that's only condition on a whole number of issues including recognizing it is alleged other jewish state including renouncing and denouncing terrorism including probably we're going to see the rest of the details of all sorts of things that and dictates to the palestinians as if they are the accused terrorists as if they are the aggressors
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what at the same time rewarding the aggression of israel by recognizing their sovereignty and their annexation of house of the west bank this is this is this is truly historic as netanyahu says in the sense that this is dead at arrival there this is a this is no starter for any palestinian because as you said there is no way in the world that the policy is going to have any dignity liberty or freedom under such equation and no starter for any palestinian you say marwan what about the wider region in that room in the east room when that announcement was being made where the ambassadors of oman bahrain and the night zab emirates has said that many absence has signed on to this plan is there any arab states that would endorse span public view. look there's a no there's
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a good number of the to believe the us who are either vulnerable at this point in time or are actually dictators who are at trump's mercy and would want to support a throb vision if you want a throne plan or sort but godless where there is some assault on peace on assault on the policies are not because they have no other choice they need trump to stay in power or they need to dump to preserve their power i mean it is that that is what it is a study out of the of things in the middle east but the people in the middle east and of course the region and most of the the ships across asia will not be able to swallow this and if they do it would be just to keep up appearances because they know and here is a very important what i'd like to make folly for us to have a to a point preference if you will this is structured the strong 80 page plan seems to be structured along bush george bush's 2003 road meet the road map for
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peace it's almost like very similar to what except now much much much worse in the sense that is there it is already being. rewarded with all the things that bush could have only promised them but the point being is in 2003 also bush invision a palestinian state down the road somewhere. also used the war in iraq in order to bring some arab support to his international roadmap for peace and then force a number of dictates on the palestinians that they have to submit to in order for them to do to deserve some sort of saw that their mission well does anyone remember the roadmap for peace what i tell you are probably just woken up a lot of people that they're probably shaking their head what the road map for peace where that wasn't 2320 years later president is providing something different something similar but much much worse promising a provisional a half a state or half of the west bank some time some place within the west bank where
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we'll get to see the map and at the same time imposing all sorts of the dots on the palestinians to prove that they are not terrorists it is an amazing picture which i think would leave the at a people you know and we've seen from the last 10 years out of leaders out of that there's been too you know move on it's the out of people that endure and the arab people will not accept like the palestinian people annie annie part of this plan marwan thank you very much for that matter and bashar a senior political analysts who i'm sure will have plenty more to say about this in the coming days you can follow him on twitter at my one bashar now that the status of jerusalem is of course see most contentious one of the most contentious issues between israelis and palestinians and here's what president trump said about the status of jerusalem in his plan under this vision jerusalem will remain israel's
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undivided very important undivided capital. diplomatic editor james spader's joins us now live from the united nations controversial plan we knew that what is going to be the international reaction you think to this. i've been trying to gauge that from diplomats and clearly nothing yet but perhaps we should take a step back and just look at what has happened we have had 2 leaders travel from the middle east to washington d.c. and yet they were the opposition leader garance and prime minister netanyahu both israelis know palestinians and what has been announced in front of them is a proposed deal that our pens the international consensus are pen's oslo coming up with something that i think is going to be certainly unacceptable to the palestinians in terms of 2 main things and they are the capital and settlements and
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they are both things that are in shrines in un security council resolutions they are international law on settlements the settlements are going to get an extra by israel on the capital you have this confusing statements from president trump that the palestinians are going to get a capital in eastern jerusalem and yet the israelis are going to have an undivided capital no i think you have to look at the fact that jared and donald trump are real estate people and what you're seeing here is what you often see in real estate they are rebranding an undesirable area which they're calling eastern jerusalem not actually in the city probably abu dis on the edge of the city and we're going to call that eastern jerusalem unacceptable to the palestinians and all of this goes against security council resolutions what is going to be the reaction then no one is coming forward with instant statements because i think they're all trying to be very diplomatic and very polite for 2 reasons they do not want the anger of
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president donald trump and i think they see the saving grace in this is the president trump presented it as a basis for negotiation this isn't a done deal this isn't something that everyone must accept they are saying that there is the chance to further negotiate a president trump a. clear that the palestinians now should come to the table so that i think is where we stand with the u.s. is closest allies certainly with the e.u. with the european nations and many members of the security council where do we stand with arab nations well i think it's interesting that you only have 3 arab station nations on the table a lot of pressure put on them. and bahrain actually came into the room and just notable which other arab countries are not in the room and regional countries as well saudi arabia are not there egypt of course an important player in gaza qatar another also important player in gaza not turkey not there and perhaps most
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important of all jordan not present in the room i think that tells you where we stand with regard to the arab world i think that what we're going to see in the coming hours is all sorts of statements where people are being very very careful with their language but behind the scenes diplomats i'm speaking to you and i'm sorry i'm going to interrupt you for interrupting but we are going to go now to al-jazeera job to him from cairo i was about to say to president i will try to special envoy the man who crafted his peace plan the 20 israelis and palestinians jarret a question or let's take a listen plan and now it's. around the. minute he said no this plan has been crafted by cost over the past 30 years. after. we appreciate it thank you it's an honor to be with you again thank you so we heard from. we heard from the president that he's giving
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something to the power of the israelis giving something to the palestinians let's start with the israelis what's in this plan from your point of view for the israelis so president trump has tried very hard to take a middle east and make some sense of all the different conflicts there and to bring the region forward i think what the president did to weaken iran's aggression and their funding of terrorism throughout the region has helped all of the different countries in the region he's made a great effort along with our allies to eliminate isis and i think that's been great to take back the caliphate he's been working with qatar and saudi arabia and a lot of the countries to fight against extremism in the financing of terrorism so that's been great in this issue is something that's festered for a very very long time that's allowed for people to drive for radicalization so israel's primary gain from this from making this offer which they've never made before is that they will have
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a more secure environment i think making peace with the palestinians with for israel and also making peace with the arab countries is a gesture that israel has been willing to take the and make because they believe that it will make them more secure in the long run. no in terms of what the israelis say about the borders of israel so what's seen it for them. when it comes to the borders of israel what's in it for them in your plan. the borders is something that's been discussed for a long time there's basically 2 different conflicts that have been mixed together in this which is why it's been so impossible to solve you have a territorial and security dispute between the israelis and the palestinians and that's about drawing a border and figuring out how you can do that and that's at the end of the day something that has to be negotiated and it's a fairly arbitrary outcome because 2 sides have to get together and agree then you have a security construct which is one that parties will be very hesitant to compromise
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on because that's critical to the safety of their citizens and then you have an issue between israel and the islamic world where you have an issue where the mosque of many muslims throughout the entire world would like to go visit the mosque and make sure the mosque is safe and this agreement make sure that the mosque will be open and available to all muslims anyone who wants to go and visit and pray at the al aqsa mosque will have the ability to do that and that's an amazing opportunity with regards to the boundaries we took the time when we tried to draw a map and this is something between the settlements and the growth of israel that's been going on for many years and we tried to carve out a way with land swaps and with bridges and tunnels to create a palestinian state that can be contiguous where you can drive from the top through tunnels and bridges and through land and highways all the way to the bottom and so we've been able to achieve that the map will be released publicly and that's something that was very very hard to do but quite frankly if we don't do this today at the rate at which israel is growing i think that it will never be able to be done so we see this as the last state for the palestinian last chance for the
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palestinians to have a state and the other big accomplishment the president made today was getting israel to agree to the palestinian state. i will come to those issues a little bit later on including the issue of jerusalem obviously but on the issue of the border of israel as you've defined the no is any conversation about the 1967 borders out of the window now you know a lot of it is the basis we use that even though there's no mandate to use that but what's more what's more important than what happed in 1967 is what the land looks like today in 2020 so we use that as a guide we've used all of the different approaches that people have spoken about the map that we've drawn is in the spirit of un resolution $242.00 so it is swaps for peace deal that israel has now put on the table but what we did is we also
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recognize the reality that we don't want to uproot any jews or palestinians to to make sure that all people have the ability to live in as good of an area as possible. so the israelis will be able to keep is what he was saying the israeli settlements in the west bank are you saying 1st of all these supplements would not be expanded will not be allowed to expand in the new plan your plan yes so under this plan what we've done is we've kept the growth of the israeli settlements for 4 years so there's never been a 4 year freeze before israel has agreed to do that in exchange for us recognizing those settlements but the reality is is that the settlements are never being up rooted and if we don't do this the settlements will continue growing so again one thing about president trump is that he is a pragmatist he is a realist he is a deal maker and sometimes you have to do things differently than what's been done
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in the past the status quo is not working it has not work and when you stick to these ideas that everyone's used for all these these these past years to try to solve this there's been a lot of great ideas but they haven't gotten it done and the palestinians are still stuck with a bad system so what president trump has done is he's worked with israel very closely he's done a lot for israel no president has had more credibility with the israeli public based on the different things he's done the israeli public trust that president trump understands their security needs and he's used that trust that they place in him to ask them to make some historic compromises and this is the 1st time that israel has ever agreed to a palestinian state and it's the 1st time that israel has agreed to a map and so this is an amazing opportunity for the palestinian leadership and if they truly want to create a good opportunity for their people they'd be very wise to pursue it. now again on the issue of supplements so that everyone understands what you're saying so these
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ratings will not be in your plan that allowed to build or expand the supplements this supplements in the west bank but will they be able to continue building we've seen the existence of humans we have outlined a map the map will be released and what we are prepared to do is recognize the reality of the map this is if there's ever going to be a 2 state solution i believe this is the only map that can work now is there flexibility yeah there's different areas you can move a line here you can move a line there but that can only happen through negotiation but the palestinian authority would rather go and complain as opposed to come to the table and negotiate which quite frankly shows that they're not ready to have a state if you're ready to have a state then you don't call for days of rage you go to the table you say these are our rights this is what we want to do and you try to make trade so that you may compromise to a lighter people have a better life but what president trump has accomplished here is he's got israel to agree to a map and what we've gotten the israelis to do is to agree not to grow the settlements for 4 years which has never happened before and that creates the environment for
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the palestinian people if they truly want to achieve statehood now they have the most realistic opportunity that they've ever had and may ever have. i'd like to talk about drusilla in the little bit but i have one more question about the settlements the u.s. i'm boss of the 2 israel david friedman as you know he'd made the statement that he thinks these rabies all to keep part of the west bank now how does this position tally with the plan that you've unveiled today so look on this on this file there's a reason it has gone on sol for so many years a lot of people have strong opinions there's a lot of people who talk about historic rights but again what you'll see in this in this plan and i would encourage people to download it and read it it's 80 pages it's the most detailed plan ever made the air peace initiative was an incredible effort but it's only about 8 or 9 lines and so this is 80 pages of detail operational detail for how this should work what we've done is again we've tried to
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unscramble the eggs to the best degree possible and put this in a position where you could have israelis and palestinians living side by side in a construct that can work i'll just remind you and all your viewers who want to have the ideal situation that people who have been talking about the ideal situation for all these years have not led to peace there's 2 fundamental questions that i ask myself with every decision that was taken the 1st one is does this decision make the lives of the palestinian people better off and if the palestinians pursue this plan the answer is unquestionably yes the 2nd question is does this plan put israel's security at risk and i can say that this plan will make israel more secure and when israel's more secure the region is more secure. we'll come to the palestinian side in a minute. but on the issue of jerusalem what the president said earlier today the issue of jerusalem he said jerusalem will continue to be the undivided
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capital of israel but at the same time he also said that the palestinians would be able to have their capital you know a future independent state in east jerusalem and the u.s. would help with that. these are these seem to be 2 contradictory things happening at the same time in what the president said suffolk is a sovereign capital of israel which includes the capital of a palestinian state how how does that work so the municipal boundary of jerusalem has been changing a lot over the years right so the jerusalem of 1967 is a lot different from the jerusalem of 2001 it's a lot different than the jerusalem of 2020 and that's just the reality of how it is there are certain areas that are on one side of the security fence there are some areas that are on the other side is your fence there both in jerusalem what we've done is we've allowed a situation where the palestinian capital can include east jerusalem which is
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something that is something that will include parts of east jerusalem which is something that has been desired for a very long time but what's the most important thing i mean the having a cap on east jerusalem is not a in islamic issue that's really a palestinian issue and again that goes into the meets and bounds we have to split up the territory and figure out how you can give 2 countries their own independent states right the issue with regards to the holy sites the most important thing that the president was able to accomplish is to have israel agree to acknowledge the status quo of the holy sites respect the special role of the kingdom of jordan in the muslim holy sites and then in addition to that make sure that any muslim who wants to come and pray in jerusalem at oxon mosque on the temple mount has the ability to do so and i think that that's a very very critical notion. well let me tell you now what the palestinians say about jerusalem 1st for the palestinians the issue of jerusalem is not just an
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issue for themselves as palestinians it's an issue for arabs it's an issue for for muslims and the division between east jerusalem and west druce and the palestinians say they have always for a long time now aspired to have the capital of a future palestinian state in east jerusalem which would include the religious sites holy to muslims christians and jews. what does the plan say you about this particular part of it right 1st of all i just want to say there's been a lot of conflicting claims over the past years right which is really the result of the fact that there was more than 3 wars and in all those wars israel was attacked in israel one ok we have a status quo that exists today as it is and it's getting worse and worse for the palestinian people and i think that the people throughout the muslim world care about the palestinian people and they want them to have
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a better life so again you know one of the things that the palestinian leadership has done in my opinion to avoid making a deal they have a perfect track record by the way of not making a deal for peace right so they've gotten all these demands which there hasn't been a counter to to explain why these positions are not rational or achievable positions and then as a result of that they've not made peace and the people's lives have continue to suffer and then they blame their suffering on israel as opposed to blaming their suffering on the leadership who has the whole entire world coming together offering them the ability to do something this is a big moment and you're going to see a lot of people from throughout the world are encouraging the palestinians to negotiate on the basis of this vision why are they doing it because the people throughout the world care about the palestinian people they recognize that under this agreement all of the rights of muslims throughout the world are fully respected and anyone who wants to pray can come and pray and that's the most important thing and then with regard to the palestinian people what they need is an opportunity to live
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a better life they need dignity they need jobs they need opportunity they need good leadership but at the end of the day this plan provides them the opportunity to do that they can have their own independent state with a capital in east jerusalem and the best opportunity of $50000000000.00 economic plan they'll create over a 1000000 jobs for palestinians this is the best opportunity that they have ever had and i really hope that they're able to seize it now the palestinians as you know. excuse me they will tell you that one through many of them the problem there are problems with the policy. the leadership as they would say but they see the overarching problem as the occupation as the israeli occupation of palestinian lands including east jerusalem now. what is in the plan to entice the palestinians to accept your vision for their the capital of the future state being in the pot of jerusalem that you have outlined rather
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than in the part of jerusalem which they have is the story can be claimed for a future palestinian independent state but your question is part of the problem right so these people the palestinians have been lied to for so many years for and they've been promised things and there's been no counter to the promises that have been made to them so if they have certain expectations that are not realistic i feel bad for them they've been lied to by their leadership and they've been lied to by a lot of people and they've been used as pawns in the muslim in the in the middle east ok the fundamental question that you have to ask yourself if you are an arab or muslim throughout the world who cares about the palestinians is do i want the palestinians to have an opportunity to live a better life right and if the answer is yes then the leadership one of them to do a day of rage no the leadership should sit at the table and say this is what we need in a pragmatic way to try to make that happen but one thing that this leadership has not been able to do over the years is they have not been able to make these deals now sometimes they have not a great partner in israel but president trump has earned the credit the trust in
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the muslim world and he's also earned the trust in israel and he has delivered for them now an opportunity of historic proportions where they have a pathway to a state and they have a map and they could have kept on easter islam and that's an amazing thing and then in terms of the interests of muslims throughout the world the number one fear that i heard about as i spoke with a lot of people who last couple years to put this together is that muslims fear the mosque being under attack the mosque not being respected and israel's agreed that we are fully going to respect the mosque the mosque is totally totally safe and that any muslim from. the out the world who wants to come and visit the mosque to pray peacefully is now welcome that is a major breakthrough the conflict between israel and the muslim world should be resolved based on that and it's time for everyone to move forward to think about all of the hatred think about all the violence that screwed up the middle east for the last 70 years because of this problem it's time for that to end if people want to have better future if they want to have better opportunity for them for their children they want to get jobs it's time to let go of past fairy tales that quite
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frankly will never happen so what this plan is about is this plan is a serious plan it's a detailed plan it's a realistic plan it is a pragmatic plan and so we've delivered now for the palestinian leadership is the most real opportunity that they have ever had to achieve statehood to improve the lives of the palestinian people if they want to spend their time focusing on old claims old miss all the lies that quite frankly have led them to nothing then that's their prerogative but then unfortunately what's going to happen is we're going to be here in another year another 5 years another 10 years and the palestinian people's lives are going to continue to get worse and worse so i think that good leadership is about making the tough decisions and showing the people that this is how i'm going to get you a better life and i think the palestinian people will follow it and one of the thing i'll say is that when arafat was thinking of making a deal one of his biggest fears and this is what's been reported is that his fear was that the arab world would say that he was a traitor to the cause today you have a full different situation the entire arab world is is begging for the palestinians
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to resolve this you have security cooperation with israel going on israel's a technology superpower people want to do business with them there's a lot that could happen now that could be very very positive for the region in the world and so again you know the viewers in a lot of your countries their biggest problem is not israel there's no israeli soldiers that have killed egypt saudi arabians or a variety of circuit tarries their fear right now is iran and what is iran looking to do why is iran trying to make this issue such a big issue it's because they benefit from an unstable middle east they want saudi arabia fighting with israel so that they have more ability to divide and try to cause chaos. you go visit me packed a lot in that. i'm sure you'll be hearing from the palestinians about many of the issues that you have mentioned including the issue of. occupation and how we ties into injustice in their point of view but i want to ask you about something which
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the president said today he said the palestinians will have more lands under this deal than they had before so where would that land come from specifically this gives the palestinians the ability to double the size of the land the map will be out i think that a picture is worth a 1000 words people will see exactly where the land is we have one of the biggest developers in the middle east that we're talking to about coming in and doing a master plan for some of the newer areas that they would get under this i think that the potential here is tremendous the palestinian people there are hard working people they have a super high literacy rate because of all of the of the the education that the global communities pay for over the years they're right next to israel which is a which is an amazing economy and so they have the ability to really thrive as an economy so one of the amazing things about what we did in bahrain was we brought everyone together all these businesspeople ever says we're dying to help the palestinian people they're great people they're an industrious people but we need 2
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things number one is we want to have security we need to make sure that terrorism is gone so that we feel comfortable sending our people there and in making capital investments there the 2nd thing they said is we need proper governance you can't invest in a place where there's no rule of law there's no property rights there's no predictability and he said if these 2 things change then we're willing to do tons of investing and what i heard from the palestinian people we had tons of palestinian people who basically came out and said we want this plan we would love to see this vision acted but give us a political plan give us a state give us dignity and give us an opportunity to try to thrive so now president trump has delivered a full package for the palestinian people and it's going to be up to them if they want to seek it. i understand the president has published the map that you're talking about on. twitter account the issue of how the palestinians officially react to this the president said that he expects them to reject the plan and if they reject it it won't go into effect
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obviously but he also said on a previous occasion that you know he took measures against the palestinians like cutting off funding for for example is that a real choice that he's giving the palestinians to accept the plan rejected or is it that a choice accompanied with the threat of the end of the day it's not a choice accompanied with threat look the decision to cut off an refunding was because the palestinian leadership said terrible things about american leadership and our country right and american aid is not entitle me and so if you say bad things about president trump and the country we're not going to be giving foreign aid to the country it's just a fundamental basic premise of how the world works ok with regard to the map what president trump has done is he's got israel to make an offer and it's a hard offer they're giving a 4 year freeze to do it we've had to do to recognize certain areas in order to get that done but these are areas that quite frankly were always going to be israel's
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anyway and so that was never a realistic notion otherwise so what he's done is create an opportunity if the leadership wants to come to the table and try to negotiate and try to get different things president trump is the only person who has the credibility with the israeli public and the israeli government to try to deliver these things so look my hope for the palestinian government is that they they read the plan thoroughly i think that it will they're going to you know they weren't expecting it to be a state they weren't expecting that it kept on east jerusalem i don't think they were expecting a lot of the things in the plan so if they go through it they'll find that it's it's a very very good plan for the palestinian people it's a real pathway for them to move forward and you know you asked questions before about all talking points and old logic and so for me what i've been fighting. isn't the logical problem and i'm trying to fight against that with a logical solution but what i'll say is that the palestinian authority will have a lot of trouble after this offer comes on the table if they rejected of going to the international community and saying we're victims what are they victims what are their rights now they have the opportunity for
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a state they have the opportunity for independence they have an opportunity for economic for economic investments that most countries in the world would only dream of so this is a very exciting opportunity and i really do hope that people will not revert to old talking points that have led us to be in the problem where it will take the time the read this they'll be thoughtful and of cooler heads prevail i do think we can change this and i'll just say one final thing which is that i do believe that if we can figure out how to get normalization between the arab countries and israel and if we can get the arab the palestinians and the israelis to finally resolve the borders and to start living respectfully i think the middle east is poised for an era of unbridled economic opportunity there's a lot more reasons why this shouldn't happen in should happen but great leaders are the ones who take the opportunities they have and they make the impossible things happen i've seen president trump do that over and over and over again here in america are commies growing our country has never been stronger and president trump continues every day to make things happen that most people never thought would
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happen. the issue of an independent state which the president talks about you talked about it in your plan what does an independent palestinian state mean under your plan does it mean that the palestinians get to control the air this see the border crossings does that mean that the palestinians will be able to negotiate deals with other countries those that mean that the palestinians will have their own army or does it mean that they will have none of these things i would encourage you to read the plan there's a lot of details again in the past these are all things that were discussed in abstract we've put down absolute details what it does is it gives the palestinian people the ability to have a pathway to live better lives and live today the status quo is broken the palestinian people are on a terrible trajectory thanks to a lot of bad decisions by their leadership they have to stop holding out for myths that will never come in fairy tales that will never come we've given them an opportunity i hope they'll read this plan if there are specific things in this plan
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that the leadership thinks are essential for them to have an even better life i am very confident that they sit at the table with israel they say these are the 3 things of the 5 things that we need to make better in order to finish this deal and get this issue finally resolved i think they'll find a very willing partner in israel and i do know that america under president trumps leadership will be very very focused on trying to help them make whatever progress is needed to get the palestinian people a better life. secretion a thank you very much and thank you also to our viewers just so they know obviously between each answer and each question i have to pause so that we don't mess up the translation because this interview is airing on both ends as they are english and i was there ari thank you very much i hope i get a good translation so. why be here in a corner club was. shouted queen of the wife. he's the son of
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a low on of president assad rump let interviewers and on with us don't plan on it. that it minutes ago. grafted on himself thank you back to the. george bush and giving his 1st interview to al jazeera after president donald trump early and veiled his long awaited plan for peace between israelis and palestinians a plan that was crafted by cushioning himself the president's son in law and special adviser cushion who says this plan is the last chance for the palestinian state and historic opportunity for the palestinian sewage of an independent state of their own a brand he says at the time but ministration will make the middle east the top administration says will make the middle east safer and more prosperous but already palestinians have rejected it saying it only favors israel will have plenty more reaction and analysis on this story in the coming hours here on out jazeera in the meantime we're going to take you live to washington and the senate floor where the
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u.s. president's legal team is giving their final arguments in his impeachment trial let's listen in i'm quoting exactly from professor dershowitz he says let me repeat it nothing in the beit din revelations even if true even if true would rise to the level of abuse of power or an impeachable offense that is clear from history. that is clear from the language of the constitution you cannot turn conduct that is not impeachable into impeachable conduct simply by using words like quid pro quo and personal benefit it is inconceivable that the framers would have intended so politically loaded and promiscuously deployed a term as abuse of power to be weaponized again professor dershowitz as a toll of in a tool of impeachment it is precisely the kind of vague open ended and subjective
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term the founders and the framers feared and rejected now to be specific you cannot impeach a president on an unsourced allegation but what professor dershowitz are saying you meant that everything in there was true it constitutionally doesn't rise to that level but i want to be clear on this because there's a lot of speculation out there with regard to what john bolton has said which reference a number of individuals will start with the president here's what the president said in response to that new york times piece i never told john bolton that the 8 ukraine was tied to investigations into democrats including the bidens in fact he never complained about this at the time of his very public germination of john bolton said this it was only to sell
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a book the department of justice while the department of justice has not reviewed mr bolton's manuscript the new york times account of his conversation grossly mischaracterizes what attorney general bar and bolt discussed there was no discussion of personal favors or undoing fluence on investigations nor did the attorney general state that the president's conversations with foreign leaders were improper. the vice president's chief of staff issued a statement in every conversation with the president and the vice president in preparation for our trip to poland remember that was the trip that was being planned for the meeting with president selenski the president consistently consistently expressed his frustration that the united states was bearing the lion's share of responsibility for 8 ukraine and that european nations weren't doing their part the president also expressed concerns about corruption in ukraine and at no time did i hear him talk ukraine aid to investigations into the biden
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family or breeze much that was the response responding to an unpublished manuscript that maybe some reporters have an idea of maybe what it says and that's what i mean that's what the evidence if you want to call that evidence i don't know what you call it i call it inadmissible but that's what it is to argue that the president is not acting in our national interest and his violating his oath of office which the managers have put forward is wrong based on the facts and by the way the constitution is designed and when you look at the fullness of the record of their witnesses their witnesses the witnesses statements the transcripts there's one
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thing there's one thing that emerges there is no violation of law there's no violation of the constitution there is a disagreement on policy decisions most of those that spoke at your hearings did not like the president's policy that's why we have elections that's what policy differentials and differences are discussed but to have have a removal of a duly elected president based on a policy disagreement. that is not what the framers intended and if you lower the bar that way danger.
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