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and legislative elections the vote has worried people an angle while regions that have suffered violence and want and depended after more than 2 years of conflict with the cameroon army english speaking groups have called for a boycott of those polls. pakistan's prime minister has declared a national emergency after billions of locust devastated farming communities in the east insects have ravaged cotton wheat and maize crops and that is raising fears of food shortages the government says this is the worst locust infestation in more than 2 decades other storms are also destroying crops and east africa. as are the headlines keep it here on al-jazeera more news to come talk to al-jazeera that's next. the race for the white house has begun this month to 04 states have their say on tuesday wants to place down troops actually. joining us to add to the continuing coverage of the state of the 2025 u.s.
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election. only to see. although it is what you're seeing. every civilization sees itself as the center of the world and writes its history as the central drama of human history the words of samuel huntington in the clash of civilizations. and it's precisely our poor understanding the lack of will to understand others cultures but the world uses polarized as it the ideal of living as part of a global village is slowly fading away allowing the rise of nationalism. so can we improve relations and cooperation among nations and peoples across the ciders cultures and religions. or is the clash of civilizations inevitable. we will explore more as the un high representative for the alliance of
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civilizations mcgill onkyo martino's talks to al-jazeera. mcgill and yale martin us thank you so much for speaking to al-jazeera and i thank you very much to invite me for this conversation i've been really looking forward to this conversation because the world is at such a critical inflection point everything from the rise of china to global inequality increasing protest what some see is the erosion of democracy and i'm drawn to a word that you use a lot that's the word fraternity what is it about fraternity that so appeals to you before i got to this war fraternity that's his psyche. or they think in today's. international relations let's just try to give to the public opinion the sense are we are in a transitional phase every time where we move from the all world to the new world
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this discounter addiction period and you see this now as a contradictory transition period absolutely i mean we all know and politician no heads of state no political analysts we are not that we are living in 21st century is not more the 20th century but unfortunately we are trying to continue to work with the east room and send methodology of the all centaurian not the new one what do you what do you mean by that there is rapid change we know there is repetition a logical change we live in a much more globalized world and the rise of china is reshaping the geo political landscape so what is it about the 20th century that's not working now it's not working because the multiplicity of october's of course we have governments in our chinese state but there are of the private sector or the civil society of the
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strong impact of media of course of internet of technology so these have different tours there is also of your let's say pockets of power only like you mentioned china are the new countries and at the same time people city sense started to think that they can decide by their own the traditional representative democratic democratic system you know not really replying and responding to the needs of the people so all together everybody knows that. we have to change we have to adapt ourselves but the point is that we are a myth. seen is that how we are going to engage these new process of a study a new world that's where you come to this world for turnitin the ability of people to live together and to have fraternal relationships to see that we are part of
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a she'd community truthfully i mean i think that's fraternity humanity there are 2 worlds that we are using in our present and i don't organisation and that encapsulate the sense that. without that human factor without taking account of what. your money intelligent another. intelligent can provide to the society we will go. in i would say very complicated area so the problem is today is that we all agree and we are now moving forward to save the planet and we all agree is not only great i mean everybody impractically not not everyone agrees i mean if you're talking about climate change there are a lot of people who are skeptical there are people who don't necessarily want to sign on to the measures that are needed and president on the tram pulled out of the paris of course because he doesn't agree with the direction that i would add there
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are you know you know that some cases at the end they would agree but there are one ness of the global scale it is him framework that you have to make a new pact with nature but that's a very good i'm the one to support that by the day after the margin that we save the planet that will wake up in the morning we have to live together we have to live together and then we need fraternity the universal declaration of human rights fundamentally it says this all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights it's a lovely sentiment but if you look around the world right now would you say that that in fact is true or not true with cover our own way to go and this have perverse dialectic today with. concept as you mentioned on the introductory remark one needs inequality and another is a dented team and you can see how the 2. in for as each other what we call populism dries up in certain western countries because people are. difficult
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to see in the job scene job creation in the way they say they have their own prosperity at the same time they say well is because we have immigrants' it because we have dollars coming to us so lives got to. be together our side of our invented race to room for my identity without the all those and then maybe it will equality but that's is wrong their way to fall or in the future is to try to well of course combat inequality yeah this time. i would say inclusive dentity i mean invented but i mean i read. european and they to run me on a man from the international relations for the world but i could relate to this it dante's the question of when you are a dentist is the only one and your school deal really interested that you've raised
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the word identity because i think identity right now is the critical issue in our world with it whether it's china where they talk about the rise of china and the importance of china and see jinping continuously telling the chinese people never forget the 100 years of humiliation by foreign powers whether it's russia with putin who looks at the 20th century laments the end of the soviet empire as the great catastrophe of the 20th century with its hungry to orbit and bringing up that sense of hungary and identity everywhere you can see this and you can see the attraction of people to this do you see this rising nationalism and the identity of nash. listen as being the big challenge to the altar that you were talking about absolutely i mean that's true now isn't cancer like nationalism in the 21st century you have really to overcome it i mean we are one humanity where we are working for
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equal citizenship in the world and so any kind of nice or not is to have your priorities wrong because sooner or later they need to have a collective approach in order to solve the challenges of today but increase by peaceful turning away from all this is true what you said that some countries some some actors in the international community today they are using this identity let's say presentation we know that all the fans are right the internet is the influence but sooner or later i think the rise of this citizenship that they want to really be equal footing in all of the main question that affect our sorrow we would prevail i mean is not easy we're going to begin this kind of thing can be solved easily unfortunately we are already in 2020 practically 2 or decades.
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let's not repeat what happened in the 20th century in the 20th center with our unfortunately to war. and only a $945.00 or practically the half of the century for leisure got to credit the united nations and the charter some from disco but it took us to war wars and the decision to put all the saw extract our some less on ourselves and tried to adapt our world we have already made 2 decades 20 years of ready pass and we had to still fight in trying to see how we are going to organize ourselves how we are going to respond to these new challenges to men. people say that we're seeing the end of justice or you're talking about what's broadly known as the global liberal order owned by the united states built around organizations such as the united nations the world trade organization the i.m.f.
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the world bank all these multilateral institutions but at the same time are we seeing the limits of that there must be something in the failure of cosmopolitanism and globalism that draws people back to the identity to say being hungry and being british being american being chinese that matters and it matters more than being a global citizen do you think that we've reached the limits necessarily of the cosmopolitanism globalism and it's not speaking to something that people feel very deeply a sense of belonging and purpose and national identity that so many other leaders and they are tapping into i think of it because people don't understand the want to really adapt to the complexity that's one of the key words in today's reality of complexity of our reality of called before you are or you are national your an identity and your hungry are not today is not you can be
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a good time and be proud to be hungary or or be a good chinese have to be proud of it or of all civilization right chinese civilization but are there certain times in the 21st century you have to be part of the world or these so called wild humanity so instead of seen well let's only behave in my capacity of heart and i really know sometimes you hope to be ok. but you have to behave like a european and it'll that i'm your house will be very like a universal you know member of the commune international community so there are one like i mean civilization has been many and. western we consider ourselves at the top if you go to our north tom beyond the traditional story and they said there was shall let's say evolution and the one who previously was the best of all this was the end of history wasn't i think we are here i hear there are no we don't which
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ideas are coming back yet but they have taken some part of western civilization. don't consider i'm in decline no but i are worried that my world is not the morning anymore so i have to show her the way to construct the world in a certain. respect over the other at some point western civilization we talk about liberal democratic values which is underpinned this global liberal order at some point do you have to stand up for those values do those values mean that you have to draw lines in the sand and i'm thinking here specifically about the rise of china which has lifted more than half a 1000000000 people out of poverty is the engine of global economic growth through its built in road initiative is reaching out to the world it is a global power on the verge of becoming a superpower to rival the united states but it utterly utterly rejects ideas of
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liberalism and liberal democracy how did those 2 things co-exist while the universal values had been adopted the universal human right the creation and value had been signed and adopted fulfilled by the whole international community we are not going to renounce to these values and i will not renounce from my western values but i have to really to understand how the interpretation of all those about certain issues and i think of the problem that before the western democratic liberal system considered there was the only one and the super what and today we have to really add up to ourselves to the new reality and we can learn from all those. releases song from all their culture without pronouncing our my values i freely and i fight i would continue to strive for the western values but in the paucity of song 3rd values or certain behavior of the western liberal democrat
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democracy it has not been so much to be proud of you know who has been some certainly appears out in the who stories and history that didn't really make our western to be so proud of ourselves really to be models and trying to work together and they all those the one who are coming back or trying to come with different view they have also to understand that it's not the end of the game if we want to live together that means i will have to sure and to put these should universal values are the updated and accepted by everybody is not an easy task in need political with a need that the people understand what is a stake and then. of course they have to be educated not to be money plaited by all those that try to bring them into the wrong direction you know that is the real challenge we are facing today at the same time as we see the rise of china or north or tyrian capitalist model if i can use that phrase that presents
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a real challenge to the global order that we've known we're also seeing what some see as the democratic recession freedom house now accounts 13 consecutive years of declining democracy declining freedom around the world do you believe that democracy itself is under threat is at its weakest at a very time when the reserve rising over 40 or an alternative particularly with china of course the permanent sort of size of the freedom of people to choose the field trip but let me. mention. to our comment from our chinese political guy who told me well the difference between the traditional western democratic system and our system is the forward your in your system you. elect your people if you go through election and you elect your
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people in our system we select and then we are lect. so the people who are they've been elected because there has been selected for by this system there had been a certain responsibility in their jaw 3rd movement in the council of certain cities certain regions and then the democrat i mean the chinese communist party decided to elect them so in our system we've been good in the last let's say. centrally pretty clearly elected electing elected without selecting the people who are going to be you know representing us and what happened today that we have lost one of the main issue of democracy that is participation of show we were through with the then current of politics where you go every 4 years to deposit your ballot and you let some people do or don't care today not today people in the worst
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country in every word they know i want to participate in democracy representation and participation and do it in their lives their kids are with super abit of. elective ity and the deficit of participatory system so now the people in the region will have to reform the democratic liberal system we have to find a way how the people can participate much more what if that means that participation also comes with a fundamental rejection of the political system the current the existence let's use a concrete example your own native spain it is proved so difficult to get a functioning government election after election because you have this existential crisis existential question of catalan independence that spain and resolve if catalan becomes independent you are no longer spain as we know it so how do you
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resolve those tensions at the heart of democracy when you have people. participating in the market see who reject fundamentally the system itself and look for their own freedom people go to vote and they vote for one option and i can assure you that the 2 months later they say they don't represent me. that you didn't happen before so that all the new dude say well you vote for me let me do my policy no they say no i am the one who will decide so they disallowed call for participation these acts sense of frustration from the people in and that there is on their call to destroy it and it is very very very very serious because if you lose institution and you let everybody spread in a permanent manner your frustration your desired your right events from time to go to list through the only way to really mobilize and to legitimize certain rights ok
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but others said time we don't cannibalize all that into a certain institution we will have a lot of difficulties but new technologies come provides her turn participatory mechanism for as president in a much more more than functional and manner the way to take part of this democratic system the moccasins have to be reinvented every day and what we cannot say that as we hardly know a crazy of the western liberal system about all the other. so-called democracy can give us lessons no we received lesson for everybody but no lesson from some countries that don't really fulfil the principle of democracy that is trade on and justice that have to be. up to a certain law and certain mechanisms one of the issues and again this comes back to
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this ideal of fraternity that you have for the world here is the issue of the movement of people open borders particularly with europe i'm seeing a backlash to that i think brics it is possibly informed by that of rejection of refugees particularly countries like hungry poland this. how do we live in a world where increasing we have to share the same space we're increasingly asked become more diverse and more pluralistic and yet people have emotion who seem to have an emotional rejection of sun much of that but it's a real problem and you know because for the reason one of the task of the alliance was who recession is to really to work with governments and societies you know that to really. demonstrate that you can live together tom time depends on how you connect with the society her you connect with the people how do you integrate in
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a positive manner of this relationship to credit for eternity and the fraternity have to be told in the in the school have to be educated to be conducted by the political figure if the political figure instead of calling for fraternity are calling for hate and for rejection that you kind of make up and you know so if you're in european union our country and when there are the fraud or refugees that are coming in from a war from a distressed situation and they say well i would receive only the one who are christian while the european union have certain laws and how our needs one treated child myself it is one treaty myself and there is a word that is called charlie diety number 2 article 2 so why the commission and the all the members state didn't take action i mean you cannot accept in
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today's world in european spirit that somebody said no we only accept the one who have a cross up catholic myself but it doesn't mean that i have not to be and the same behavior all those thought that says the lack of response the political response to certain absolutely negative behavior also produces kerno for. of our clean money between the people and i'm glad you've mentioned the question of religion because i want to come to that finally you've spoken a lot about this and you've said that that faith is essential to human liberty faith is essential to human liberty and yet in this increasingly small globalized world being forced to live with each other we are being forced to accept different faiths and that's producing a backlash in some cases do you believe as some have said that faith itself is under attack in what is an increasingly secular war we are being reinvented
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negatived year because the enemies of this. ward off turnitin and humanity. want to target what should be their goals in order to disturb our lives the whole of the. common behavior all 4 of respect and mutual acceptance so before they're used to target one religion but now they've decided to attack or. you're known for. what we know there is a well you're on your eyes are. you not god semitism your family or rob and i think that's important that i mean the state should be socially so you have to be. but you cannot neglect you know the fact that religious. beliefs will they mention is part of frustrated politicians
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cannot ignore and they have to address that the reason that alliance is working in order to really take it in a positive manner in order that together really fast totally being a man also mckeel and go marching off thank you so much for talking to others thank you but a pleasure to. the exclusive undercover report that captured a peaceful protest ruthlessly put down by the military they seem to be testing the ministry the standing over there with their guns ready to seize if the start of the crackdown is now being. called. there's. no way the army after maybe 10 years on watch has changed rewind inside me in ma the crackdown on al-jazeera. ruins that speak of
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