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tv   Up Front 2020 Ep 5  Al Jazeera  February 28, 2020 10:32pm-11:01pm +03

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could potentially cause a global recession residents of the libyan capital tripoli are reporting the shelling of the city has intensified in the past 24 hours united nations has now said the attacks on tripoli by forces loyal to waterproof after might amount to war crimes after us forces have been attempting to take the capital from the un recognized government for almost a year and a major paris train station has been evacuated after protesters began lighting fires demonstrators in paris set fire to scooters and cars near the god station in protest at a concert by. a group that previously cancel concerts because of demonstrations opposed to the government as the headlines coming up next up front with.
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over the past 3 months nearly a 1000000 people have had to flee for their lives in syria children are freezing to death but does the world care i'll ask a senior u.n. humanitarian official. mockups thank you for joining me on up front your the u.n. deputy regional humanitarian coordinator for syria over the past 3 months there hundreds of thousands of people have been fleeing from their homes inside of it glib many of them including kids freezing to death of the syrian army advances towards them is anyone going to save the cattle anyone save them. well
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humanitarians are doing their best to help these people with many different humanitarian workers on the ground being trying to help move people away from frontline areas and try to help provide in tents and blankets and plastic sheeting and food another relief items but what these people want is for the fighting to stop they want safety and that's what's not happening at the moment and that's where the security council needs to act we have been briefing the security council we've been warning them that this is coming but you know humanitarians can only play their part political actors are also needed and they need to stop this fighting and ensure that the civilians are protected i'll come back to the security council and those political act as you rightly mentioned in a moment just dealing with the situation on the ground you say you're trying to help people get away from the front line but the harsh brutal reality is that there is no escape for a lot of these people is that turkey which has taken in millions of people in the past has shut the border so if you're
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a syrian stranded it right now there's basically a death sentence hanging over you yes what we're dealing with is the situation of 3000000 people who are trapped in a war zone and these are people who are not simply fleeing fighting between 2 opposing armies this is a population which itself is under attack they come from towns and villages which have faced systematic wide scale indiscriminate bombing airstrikes and shelling that's continued day and night entire cities and towns have been emptied out and as these people have fled many of them have been hit along the way when shells an airstrike that landed on the routes that they've been using to try to escape so this is a protection crisis on a monumental scale and something asked to be done so are you asking are you calling on turkey to open the border or is it impossible for turkey to cope with another
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3000000 refugees given i believe they're already taken in 4000000 syrians over the last few years. turkey already hosts more refugees than any other country in the world and it hosts many more syrian refugees than any other country 3600000 syrian refugees so most un member states are not being heard calling on turkey to open its borders i think they know that if turkey has to open its borders. the next question will be are european countries going to be opening their borders and are you saying that european countries should be taking in more syrian refugees because again european governments say that's a problem for us well the whole world needs to shoulder it's the sponsibility towards these people if they cannot be protected inside their own country then that have to be protected somewhere else the united states government has banned syrians from entering the country they're on a banned list as a humanitarian who's watching what's happening inside of syria how do you feel
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about. what we know is that the people we're talking about are mostly women and children and elderly people the whole world has watched the pictures of the last few weeks these people need to be treated for what they are civilians who are trapped in a war zone and many people have talked about this conflict in a very politicized way and we see some of the warring parties justifying their actions in terms of you know fighting terrorism but we know that there are more than 100 civilians for every find in the area and these civilians need to be treated for what they are these people need help and they need to be protected but you have a u.s. government which is obviously a big donor to the u.n. and to u.n. humanitarian relief operation is a big player in that part of the world you have a u.s. president to bomb syria a couple of years ago when his daughter came to and said she couldn't bear to see
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pictures of chemical weapons attacks you have a president who now says you know what i'm only there to keep the oil he openly brags and the president who will not take in any syrian refugees what's your message to the u.s. government as a u.n. official. well we want to see the u.s. government take action we want to see all of the members of the security council and particularly we don't think powers we want to see then their role at the security council that has really been you know paralyzed over the last few months and has not been able to find a solution to this crisis but you know on many occasions in the past security council members have found ways to overcome their personal interest and find solutions and we need those security council members now to urgently find a solution the secretary general has called for an immediate cease fire and that's what's needed now more than anything else you say the u.n. security council is paralyzed what would you say to those people who say that some understatement syria proves that the u.n.
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security council is broken it cannot deal with a problem like syria makes syria worse that it should be the russians or the chinese cast their 14th veto to block the delivery of aid to millions of syrians recently surely that shows that the security council is not fit for purpose when it comes to humanitarian disaster like syria i don't know if it's just the security council that's not the purpose i think you know the entire humanitarian system globally needs to be looked at you know something needs to be done to ensure that if people cannot flee to another country they will be protected within the what is that but mark realistically you have the russian government which is bombing these towns you talked about systematic widespread indiscriminate bombing you said a moment ago what would you say to people who say you need to go further than that you need to call out war crimes for what they are you need to call out war criminals for who they are but the u.n. shouldn't just be kind of equivocating at a time like this it would be helpful if you named names and shame the people involved if i ask you today mark your they're dealing with this tragedy dealing
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with this crisis if i say to you you're talking to these refugees day clearly telling you what's happening is there evidence of war crimes. well we know there's lots of evidence of what crimes and we know that what crimes have been committed throughout by whom oh well you know it very well by all sides and it's not for me to you know to determine whether any individual act constitutes that was a crime or not that's what the courts to decide but we do know that there have been many war crimes and 70 there's every indication that a lot of war crimes have been committed in the last few months including just in the last few days but but mark a lot of a lot of people what a lot of people watching this around the world they'll say that's true crimes have been committed by all sides but right now a nearly a 1000000 people have fled from their homes in the last 3 months that's not all sides that's just syrian government and its russian ally. yes well we know that the majority of the civilian deaths and injuries in the area have been caused by air
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strikes and shining carried out by syrian government forces and their allies we know this very well and we've been calling on all of them repeatedly and i've had meetings and just this week with the russians and the turks and the americans and others talking about the conflict calling again for respect for international humanitarian law calling for these people to be protected we know exactly who's doing the bombing and we are pulling them out all the time but the problem is that the bombing is just continuing here's a problem though for the u.n. and it's all very well calling out these governments but we've known how bad it could be has been for years in 2018 steffan de mistura then the un special envoy for syria warned of a quote perfect storm looming over it slip they've been warning after warning after warning so why are millions of people in this situation right now why are nearly a 1000000 people fleeing for their lives when you have experts and diplomats having
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warned that this was going to happen is it just that international organizations and governments and the people around the world just don't give a damn about syrians anymore they're exhausted of the syrian conflict there's a syria fatigue how do we get to this point well i think unfortunately that is the case that there's a lot of fatigue when it comes to syria because there's been so many battles and so much displacement after all 12000000 people have been this place than you know over these last 9 years but just at the time when we thought we'd seen the worst of this war when we thought the war might be you know coming to an end what we've seen is one of the worst catastrophes of the entire war so this is not the time for people to be taking their eye off syria and this is not the time you know for any complacency we need concerted action by security council members to stop this fight. but what would you say to critics who say u.n. officials u.n.
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organizations haven't done enough could and should have done more over the past few years right now we're trying to scare not to scale up our operation we've just asked for $500000000.00 in new funding we've got thousands of trucks crossing the border every month we're doing a lot but ultimately it's up to member states the united nations and particularly the security council members to find the political solutions to deal with crises of this mark you did call for an additional $500000000.00 to provide lifesaving assistance to people it liberally this week you say there's a 371 $1000000.00 funding gap when it comes to syrian humanitarian operations and yet last year when the notre dame cathedral caught fire people were able to pledge a $1000000000.00 to help fix it in the space of 24 hours when you hear statistics like that how does that make you feel. i've never been happy about the amount of funding that comes to different humanitarian operations of around the world and
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certainly for the syria crisis we actually need a lot more money than we're currently getting the money you are asking for is the equivalent of 2 months roughly of spending that the american military does on its troops in that part of the world so we should have no problem getting this money and because you are you know we don't know what money we need but ultimately we need the money we need the political support but more than anything else we just want the killing of civilians to stop and the syrian government of course says as you mentioned earlier when all sides are doing horrible things they point to rebel groups they point to al-qaeda affiliates and it glib and say they're responsible for the humanitarian crisis what do you say when you hear that argument well we know that all sides have committed atrocities in this war we know that it's been happening in recently but we also know this that this think that have been collected by the u.n. human rights office recently showed that 93 percent of the deaths in the at that area had been caused by air strikes and shelling by the syrian government forces
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and their allies mark last question what you read from the kind of governments having kind of failed in their obligations not doing enough to stop the violence or to contribute money what's your message to ordinary people watching this who have just heartbroken by some of the scenes coming out of syria what's your message to people on the look and they do well i think 1st of all pressure on your own parliamentarians on your own government to ensure that there is a concerted effort made to find a political solution to this crisis but secondly please contribute generously to the humanitarian operation we need your support the people of need your support markets thank you for joining me on up front good luck. thank you. in 1988 dr martin luther king launched a poor people's march on washington seeking economic justice for impoverished americans more than 50 years later and with a right wing republican president in office that movement has been revived and some
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christian leaders on the left are demanding a revolution against poverty joining me now from atlanta to discuss this is the reverend dr william j. barber co-chair of the poor people's campaign and national call for moral revival and president of the nonprofit repairers of the breach william barber thank you for joining me on up front thank you so much and great to be with you the president of the united states. says quote no president has ever done what i have done for evangelicals all for religion itself do you agree with the. no i do not also don't agree that even evangelicals are supporting him i think oftentimes in the media we use these terms that have been thrown at us i'm an evangelical if you look at the true meaning of evangelical which means to preach good news to the poor or care for the broken hearted and care for the oppressed what we see is a false kind of religion
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a distorted moron there to where evangelicalism has been hijacked we have been forced to use these false framing like the left vs right there's no such thing as a left christian versus a right christian and you either christian or you're not an author ducks christianity says that what is most important is how you treat the poor the children the women the sick and the least of these and on all of those accounts from failed but not just from his enablers in the senate the republican party faces and even those who have hijacked the word term evangelicals they are just because you say you're an evangelical there's a scripture in the bible that says there are many who say they love the lord with their lips but their heart is far from it the heart of his policies are far from anything off at the christian christianity calls us to care about in the public when you bob this is a global debate of course and you say there's no left or right and i'm sure many people agree with you but the reality is that if i was interviewing a quote unquote right wing evangelical leader on the show we've had right wing
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evangelicals on the show they would say no the most important issue is not poverty it's abortion for example you know that in this country in the united states that's a big driving force for a lot of quote unquote right wing christian evangelicals who don't agree with you but they can't but they can say that biblically you don't have text on abortion and hatred toward homosexuals you do have 2000 texts that say health care and children and the poor so you can say whatever. you want to but it doesn't align with jesus the what we call the red letter of the bible and if you're an evangelical christian your public policy is not driven by a republican party or democratic party concept of left or concept or right it is driven by jesus and where jesus stood on social issues of his time i'm a theologian trying theologian if we have a battle of heresy versus christian true and that is not a left that is not a left right issue when it comes to theology the ology doesn't use those terms a left and right you mention the word heresy when you see donald trump retreating
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people saying he's the 2nd coming of god when you see some self harry christian evangelical leader saying he's been sent by god how do you feel about having harry . heresy what they say a logical malpractise why they're saying i don't know why they send it back then but what i can say is it's not biblical and it doesn't line up with the example of jesus christ as i said you can say anything you can decide that you go on worship tomatoes or worship great fruit it does not make it biblical it does not make it christian i just heard you say you don't like the language of the religious right you don't like the language of left and right they're not really bad as what do you call them then how do you refer to these people i just say their religion is their their their religion the religious nationalists they are that's what they are they are not rooted in the last off the docks christian. viewpoints you can't find this in true christian values and so what we're challenging people
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is read the bible look at look at what history says look at what the ology says now again the slave master had his own religion that doesn't make it right just because he had it young and that's why you had to abolitionists and frederick douglass and thomas and others who said no that is not christan it is something but it's not christan it is a religion maybe the religion of racism but it's not christianity you've called for a quote moral impeachment of donald trump what does that mean exactly yeah. what that means is when we look at the deepest religious and constitution of ai we have a 140000000 people who are poor and the wealth in this country and what his truck and his enablers chose to do give tax breaks to the wealthy we have we have 38000000 people in this country without health insurance what is trump and his enablers tried to do they take free health care when they get elected to the senate and the congress but they didn't work to cut health care for their constituents we
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have the logical devastation 4000000 families in this country that can't buy unleaded water but can get up every morning and that gas we have climate change issues what has trump and his enablers done and stead of promoting the general welfare that the constitution requires they are promoting the corporation and promoting fossil fuel companies we have 53 cents of every discretionary dollar going toward military most of the going toward defense contractors and less than $0.15 going toward health care infrastructure education so that is not providing a servant for the common defense we believe those things are a directly opposite of our deepest constitution and more revival more is that he is in on that he should be impeached by the people it's a poverty is clearly a big issue in the us many would argue that democrats have historically done a better job on poverty than republicans when they're in the white house but president donald trump would argue that the poverty rate for african-americans and
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for hispanic americans have reached an all time low on his watch and for once the figures do seem to back it up what's your response there. well that's not true the 5th what donald trump benefit from was the economic power of the economy that obama presided over but wealth and actual wealth has gone down among african-americans and the reality is we have 26000000 poor and low wealth african-americans in this country 61 percent of all african-americans but i want to talk about the of the 66000000 poor white people this campaign that we're engaged in is in coal miners from kentucky together with black folks from lluvia who are starting to understand the systemic racism systemic power of the ecological devastation the war economy and this falls more narrative of religious national is hurting all of us all not know you mentioned white poverty let's talk about the intersection between poverty
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and racism which is such an important section in this country because you mentioned how many white people are living in poverty and yet a lot of poor white working class americans in places like pennsylvania and wisconsin and michigan voted for donald trump in big numbers in 2016 and most of the academic studies suggest that they didn't vote because of economic anxiety but because of their racial resentment and typically towards immigrants and african-americans how do you convince pull white americans to stop voting against their own economic interests how do you do that well actually actually there was a study that came out after the election that said the poorest of wise did not vote for trump and addition to trump lost by more than 3000000 votes in the popular vote he only won because they let to a college in a couple of green but he didn't win the white working only by a big margin. well he won some of that but there are 100000000 people who didn't vote how do you deal with this you are exactly right the king said in 65 that every
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time there is a possibility for poor whites and poor blacks to come together and form a political base that changes the country the white aristocracy sows division how do you change that you go so that our campaign is going to the back wheels of pennsylvania and kentucky and down to the delta mississippi and we are pulling together people we have $43.00 core navy committees now made up of black and white teano people across this country we have $115.00 denomination of groups were planning a mass poor people's assembly more march on washington we engage in a we must do more to immobilize an organizing educating registering people for the movement who vote you show people that the same people friends that participate in races voter suppression once they get elected they actually pass policies that hurt mostly white people because every state is a racist voter suppression state is also a low wage state and a happy hour to stay and when people see that many of them begin to shift and recognize we have to be
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a coalition so that's interesting to say that because of course we've also seen many many reports in the press and beyond of white working class voters who have either lost their jobs because of trump's terrorists or lost the health care because of trump's war on obamacare and yet when they're also when you vote for me and they say yes we'll still vote for it. there are some that would do that but there's a remnant out there and we're finding them as i said in kentucky recently our campaign spent 3 years in kentucky and what happened kentucky shifted and a number of the counties we were in for 3 years they changed they flipped they flipped from truck support to the support of the new democratic governor we didn't endorse the governor we showed them the connections and how they were being played one against of and they got it and they decided to change we have to remember that after the civil war for instance black and white folk came together and changed the country and every effort to poor black and white. together has always been either assassinated or destroyed because as dr king said when that possibility is there
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the aristocracy knows the danger of it too is political control on this country we believe in our campaign we have a moment in history that we can really work to change and it doesn't take much to 34 percent change in many of these states could fundamentalist shift the political calculus could fundamentally shift the political calculus with a big election coming up in november the presidential election who do you think should be the best democrat to fight this campaign on behalf of the poor against donald trump and a member. but we've not society yet we've not endorsed it because this is what we're saying 1st of all we have 140000000 people living in poverty 43 percent is nature we've not had one debate televised on poverty no candidate running to date has dealt with 140000000 number and with the intersecting connections between systemic racism ecological devastation and the war economy that's a fact but it's in pieces have come out bits and pieces are come out and we're
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thankful for that and part of it is because of a campaign more people are beginning to say bits and pieces in child poverty and people talk about the working poor as oh poor people and working 700 people die day from poverty and we've not called it a national emergency that is what we're listening for you said you haven't endorsed yet does that mean you will be endorsing someone prior to the d.n.c. convention in july where we'll be having our big poor people's assembly before the convention and what we've said all the candidates just like we did in kentucky we didn't endorse the governor but the governor endorsed issues and began to deal with the people's issues we say to every candidate if you deal with systemic racism systemic poverty ecological devastation the war economy take on religious nationalism in a fun a way we have a mob justice budget if you look at a budget that deals with a lot of scarcity and says we have the money if you look at it now this is on the cost of poverty not just the cost of fixing it but what is the cost of poverty at
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this been done by some of the best economists in this country we don't have to ask us to endorse your personality in dos the policies and the people will know who to come to and who to vote for we are very political but nonpartisan reverend dr william gahl the thank you so much for joining me on up front. thank you so much god bless you take care thank you that's our show up front will be back thanks to. business leaders as well to buy no bra spot.
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for. business leaders as well to buy no brass pox. the u.s. is always of interest to people all right the world people pay attention to focus
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on now does it is very good at bringing the news to the world from here. or. hello i'm maryam namazie in london with a quick look at headlines now nato has called on russia and syria to halt the offensive in a live the military alliance has held an emergency meeting and condemn the continued indiscriminate as strikes well this follows the death of 33 turkish soldiers on thursday al-jazeera reporter now from the turkey syria border. turkish soldiers being evacuated from syria after being attacked by syrian government forces images like these have created shock and turkey and growing calls for revenge. turkish military hit syrian army positions in retaliation for the dead.

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