but as the water recedes there is now a threat of water borne diseases. mali's new military rulers say they've started the process of naming an interim president after west african leaders threatened a total embargo on the landlocked country members of the 15 strong economic community of west african states have given the coup leaders 18 months to hand over power to a civilian government. the head of libya's internationally recognized government says he'll resign at the end of october prime minister. stay on until the end of next month while the new leadership is chosen these talks with a rival administration in the east of the country are due to start in geneva this week those are the headlines talked with afghanistan. is coming up next states and. russia now seems to be going off to the main economic resource which is a story we bring you the stories in development is the rapidly changing the world

living presidents america's 1st policy trigger to troy was moved into a technological will come to call on al-jazeera. did you. see. on the previous episode of talk to al jazeera. i hope the afghans are paying attention learning the lesson. in the ever learned. and that's why we've started the peace process a lot of the stake we're watching them we're going to monitor the negotiation and we'll help with that help when needed but ultimately now we're in a different phase and wish the afghans of and. they can't blame they can't blame other. after nearly 2 decades of conflict the warring sides are finally talking to each other here in the capital there have been more than

$400.00 attacks since the deal was signed between the u.s. and taliban forces and thousands of afghans have been killed back and although there is hope being shown by both sides here but a trust deficit and wide ranging disagreements between them still exist on this episode we talk to them and representing the afghan government at the negotiating table. the chairman of the high council for national reconciliation talks to al-jazeera. the german high peace council for national reconciliation thank you very much for talking with me or. after the longest running u.s. war 2 decades of conflict a lot of fun will be left for of guns to sort out you call it a historic occasion is that. i don't think that will really like you. will really have to completely for the afghans to solve it but the at the same time

the negotiations has to be. afghan led to an afghan owned. i wouldn't think that the whole world will disengage itself from afghanistan. it will continue but it might have it may take different shape in a peaceful afghanistan and you might see more foreign investment board developmental activities and more opportunities for us and also for a region. yes i need country trying to impose its own way or system or any other nation that that has not proved successful if that's the meaning of we're leaving afghanistan for the south. we are fine with that. we need to we need to do we create a system that we can lead we can live in peace within and without you talking to

the taliban now. at a situation where it has been one of the bloodiest years in the 20 years nearly 20 years of conflict. the taliban are making advances to europe and test real hometown of print share in the last few days what gives you hope that this time around it is going to be different this time around you're going to be able to convince them and they're going to be able to convince you. if there is one listen out of the recent history of afghanistan recent past 2 for dicky's that's that the did is no military solution and our hope is that both sides have recognized this and then what to do is the next issue. referred to to pay shade valley in an incident a few days ago that was. pressure bowed to some other provinces

in one of those crossing point one incident had taken place no casualties from any sides some reason balik a message like sending out is that the right message to send that this is stage will be that we want we have different views we have a different vision for the country but we want to make peace with one and that in order to help our own people that will be direct message our hope is on the will of the afghan people and the desire of the people in also on the on the wisdom of the leaders on all sides that to look at the situation can we continue in how long for example in the past there was a situation where the taliban were in control of the 2 percent of the site it to 5 percent of the store. did that that situation put in into

2 world in late 2 to one side overcoming india there's wiped out no. post that situation the world continued for that 20 s. so these are these are the lessons. learned from the recent history of afghanistan and also look at the suffering of the people look at the losses of the people look at the pay. when the people of. tolerating referred to the numbers in the past few months only since the signing of the agreement between the taliban in the united states which was. which was the main fundamental reason. that the 2 current situation that we were talking to one at that that is still

there when i am talking about the number of casualties it's high on both sides it's not just one side in. 2. to 2 q. the wounds of the people to recover will be sign of strength not to inflict casualties on the people go to the u.s. agreement in a minute but for people who haven't watched the afghan conflict closely for the last 2 decades describe to us the significance of a former foreign minister then the vice president sitting face to face with the co-founder of the afghan taliban what does this mean for afghanistan and the afghan people it means that we have we heard in the in a different a stage in our history. it means that hopefully god willing. history will be made in a chapter in the history is about to that's the that's the significance of that.

in this this moment what is the future of afghanistan is it an emirate is it a public. defeat of afghanistan will be the one the one which which can sustain itself which can lead to to do real peace and stability will do will depend on the will of the people on the right of to citizens to participate to boot into troops well you are the strongest sides representing those people so it kind of narrows down to your decisions that you make on these negotiating tables right. i mean both sides at least to come to a shared point of view in also had to agree that this is this is the real forward that's the key that's the crux of the matter as the equality that both sides should see the need and also should should

come to a realisation that we should put people 1st and we are in a situation that we cannot cannot ignore the will of the people so which one. but which one puts people 1st is it the emirate or is it the republic it can be both. the way that i don't want to put the 2 to sort of the side for the negotiating team which is not just the public of on a sub representatives of them but also that are presented to the taliban movement but the main thing is that the will of the people should be should be exercised in a freeway one person van vogt is important then. to follow to come to terms with names will not be will not be will not be difficult. people focus on the differences between you and the taliban and i want to focus on the opposite here

the afghan constitution for instance says that there can be no legislation which would go against islam. the power structure of the islamic republic of ghana stand gives power to the president he can hire fire move and do things that will which is kind of very similar to what the taliban want on the basis of it if you look at oversimple of looked look to it as an oversimplified view how difficult would it be for you to change the constitution of his son. to change the constitution of persecution of afghanistan there are provisions in the constitution itself the issue is that. the current issues are also for is for the design for the interest of the country to try to get dippy people to get that in the country to get us in a unified man so i mean mentor for closer to shame is not possible what about the

security forces what happens to the any what happens to the taliban fighters because there has been so much blood that has been shared between these 2 sides the highest number of casualties in afghanistan have been afghan security forces. how do you get them to reconcile the country. needs national institutions. national army national police or any other security sector if the country needs that. and then we are in a situation that we have afghan national army in the taliban combatants how to train to create how to how to how to get to security sector reform in also addressing in practical way in manner the actual realities which exist in the country these are of the painstaking. hard to work which is ahead of blue teams to what is the blueprint here the blueprint if i see if they give you

a blueprint today and then tomorrow taliban will say that no this is not us it doesn't work in negotiations the blueprint has to be decided between both sides. the easiest way the one which gets us with this complication should we should be choosing in there should be conditions or preconditions a sect i spoke to the taliban before coming into the room and they i asked them whether there is what are the sides what are the lines that they have drawn and you talked about humanitarian truce and a cease fire for at least for the time being so that there can be access for humanitarian purposes but the taliban's insistence is that according to the agreement that they've signed with the u.s. there needs to be a governing body which the taliban are either a part of our agree upon and after that there could be a ceasefire so it's kind of a catch $22.00 isn't it which comes 1st. dangers of their country should come 1st

which one is it the interests of the countries in. reducing their violence to a very significant level and also getting to 2 to a ceasefire because. when i talk about the number of casualties it's not just in one site it's in both sides in this unfortunate and it's a burden on the next generations i remember during the resistance will jihad against the soviets which i was a part of that later that show masood when when when when there will be prisoners taken in to the majority and be very angry because they would have given casualties will your friends. martyred because of those fightings from the from the other side which you were calling the enemies and there was a tendency of makes mujahedeen that take revenge that amanda masood was saying that

look. the their families to take care of it they have to this in the long in the war has gone for so many years if you leave that so many victims in casualties. this country's resources will not be sufficient to address all these needs of these challenges that we are adding on top of the challenges that the country or d.t. has but you can't but you can't simply just look away from so much killing that has happened and especially in the part of that world where there is a very tribal system and revenge does exist for generations is there going to be a truth and reconciliation commission how are you going to resolve these but very real issues the amount that the afghans have taken in their history including this recent history there was no sense of revenge duels for members of the former regime of very high wealth or a t s a man's there was just poured and it wasn't like the people who were dressed there

were less than. a handful less than perhaps 2 or 3 cases where people were assessed and was taken on a personal basis just of them were part of the society we had hundreds of thousands of members of the communist regime that nobody took to avenge against them so that is also. something that that we can we can we can defer to. you know to to you know to to see the future more clearly with more clarity your country hosts have said there can be victors are vanquished. said that this will only move forward but steer our sacrifices and all sides are willing to make sacrifices for your sacrifices what are you willing to give before getting to the future what needs to be there the fact that. 5000 prisoners

have been released. from the list the taliban have provided with a lot of opposition from your government with a lot of opposition from the people as well at the beginning but but you know the government with that at the race it wouldn't have happened the deal was between the united states and the taliban but the united states has been indeed part of afghanistan throughout it is still supporting afghanistan in continued support of honesty in the leaders are saying that they're kemet it to support a peaceful afghanistan post the situation. and there are pretty heavy files attached to those prisoners which are being released this was a hard decision this is an example. things that needs to needs to be done will be there as a result of negotiations do will be back in for their ideas taliban will present their own agendas we will we will we do but as you does should lead us towards

peaceful settlement so the this is a good example this is this was a very big decision that was even before the cease fire or significant reduction in violence so. pieces of parity and without it will not come with without the cost. in all sorts. the. the cost on the people because of the continuation of the war debate it will be in. it's only in that sort of situation that both sides could claim to be victors i myself mentioned today that there is no winner in the war and there is no loser. in truce of peaceful settlement but you're talking about negotiating with a partner they are now under your negotiations partner the taliban does not

recognize the afghan government it says it is a partner among many of the stakeholders of gonna stand it insists that it is going to make sure that its version of sharia law is in implemented it insists that what it has agreed upon with the u.s. as the u.s. force you have gone government to implement should be implemented so yes this will be music to the years of your partners international partners but do you not think that this will embolden the taliban into making sure that their demands are met one way or the other to to think. that. to to to use the maximalist methods and tactics and think that that will get anybody any. thing significant in terms of really legitimate interest based on the legitimate business and the broader interests of their country that would be a miscalculation to think that flicks enough. inflicting casualties

upon the people will give you the upper hand if it is asif it is and the other side that will be a big miscalculation. good is an opportunity we're getting to get there there's a lot happened in the past 30 years or nearly 30 years since the taliban have emerged that both sides while there are no risk of not recognizing as all we don't do and could measure them as this law make immediate but as they need to get to get there to sit together to to present our views with richard different from one another but to find a way how to reconcile those differences how to find ways to be able to live together well maintaining some differences and fighting for it politically rather than through through violence that's the the listen learn from any conflict

show me or conflict that you continue the war in the world through the war without without being in bringing it to an end true true true. acceptable to to to the sites but you're on a on a ticking clock right now because the united states has given 14 months to before it withdraws there is a us election coming up but there's a lot of pressure from various actors who have influence in afghanistan so does that not may repeat that question does that not embolden the taliban and make your situation good we did could be situation where groups amongst the taliban may think that it is in there it is in their interest to to continue passout so to talk and also to continue with the fighting but. i

hope. to a certain extent i can assume that there are other people which are thinking much more mature really in that sense based on the experience of them bizarre not. common experience that this is not the way forward the way forward the real. interest of them asin i'll tell you that afghanistan will rely on that on our ability to put them in to do to disrupt what is the timeframe that you're working on the. referred to the us elections in the circumstances in the fact that the united states also looking at it with urgency it's it's. it's a bonus it's a plus but i don't see that need more urgent need they need they need of the afghan people. these people who live in the areas which are the taliban controlled

they live in the areas which is the control of the the government of afghanistan and their. hopes and desires or are the same it's you cannot differentiate between the people decide to hold that site for us the most rigid the ticking clock is the is the continuation of the suffering of our people which has continued for so for so long on top of that we cannot ignore the conditions around this as well but. to be a miscalculation to turn it into into into a failure will be will be taking. responsibility before the people which will be judged by the history very quickly i want you to also touch upon corruption we know that in the last 20 years warlords have become more powerful we hear the cigar reports really talk about 4 provinces where 70 percent

of the security forces were ghost employees we talk about endemic corruption in institutions we also remember you taking in ended rival inauguration of president of president ship which had to be resolved by international partners again so how are you going to make sure that the force that is in front of the taliban is a coherent united front without all of these differences which a lot of guns face on a day to day basis it's important. a unified. slummy public will be in a match better position to negotiate. new much needed to new position to negotiate does not mean to dig its feet. illogically and without without any any logical basis but to present at the in also to

represent the views of the majority of the people. did our challenges of corruption which i have no doubt in my mind we don't have enough time to to to take the history of the past 20 years the mistakes that bass as africans in there your government or outside the government dole and opposition all the mistakes made by partners in that in that sense but we are where we are today and the need of the days too to look at it differently. that in tune with the relying on the false hope that if such a thing happens then we will have the operad then didn't do we'll kill and wipe out the other side that. we should avoid that that that that line it sounds very sort of idealistic but i see no other way around the

continuation of the war and suffering in lists in this way will not put anybody in a dignified position in this not a service to to the people. i'm sure amongst the taliban leadership there are people who are thinking about it who have seen it gone through it for so many years and more than that they look at the people in the expectations of the people from all of us finally what does dr abdullah abdullah get out of this man your great great great grandchildren look back at this moment how do you want to be remembered by them. if this leads to do double dignified. sustainable peace. deal there wouldn't be a bigger toward on a personal way in also as a legacy should that materialize that in itself will be the biggest award to take

and imagine if i was. in between a small. or or bigger factor in it then that that's there's the added advantage doctor of the law of the lurch ehrman high peace council for national reconciliation thank you very much for talking god if you would. we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter where you call the hand out is iraq we're bringing you the news and current affairs that matter to tease. out is there a. coveted beyond.

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