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refugee camps and rocking status squalid abusive well some 750000 fled me i'm all for bangladesh following a mystery crackdown in 2017 report says those who remain face inhuman conditions with severe limitations on movement health and livelihood. protests a growing in tunisia for a 3rd day against a new labor law that the government hopes will boost the economy the labor unions say it will erode workers' rights and weaken and vironment all protections more than 30 trade unions have gone out on strike holding 600 people have been arrested so far. this is al-jazeera these are your top stories president trump's handling of the coronavirus dominated the u.s.
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vice presidential debate in salt lake city mike pence defended the u.s. response when you look at the biden plan it reads an awful lot like what president trump and i in our taskforce have been doing every step of the way quite frankly when i look at their plan that talks about van suggesting creating new p.p. eda vella ping a vaccine. it looks a little bit like plagiarism which is some joe biden knows a little bit about i think the american people know that this is a president who has put thank you guys america 1st in the american people i believe with my heart can be thank you out of the sacrifices they have made it safe thank you mr unless they knew what was happening and they didn't tell you and you imagine if you knew on january 28th as opposed to march 13th what they knew what you might have done to prepare they knew and they covered it up. the president said it was
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a hoax they minimize the seriousness of it the president said you're on one side of his ledger if you wear a mask you're on the other side of his ledger if you don't and in spite of all of that today they still don't have a plan international mediators to set to begin talks in geneva to help the west fighting in decades between armenia and azerbaijan calling for a ceasefire in the going to cutback azerbaijan's foreign minister will be at the talks as minister isn't attending instead he will travel to moscow on monday 'd. opposition groups in pakistan remain divided over who should take over as prime minister follows the nomen of sunday's parliamentary election. protest the growing into the day against a new labor law unions say a road workers' rights and we can and vironment all protections those are your headlines inside stories next. cyprus
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a european island openly offering citizenship to those who can afford it in august al-jazeera made global headlines with the cyprus papers confidential documents that reveal a murky passport by investment scheme coming home. now al-jazeera is investigative unit goes undercover to expose further revelations that go to the heart of the cypriot state al-jazeera investigations the cyprus papers on the cover. they say they want to create an islamic state in northern mozambique fighters linked to i said up posing a growing threat in the area so how are such on groups growing stronger and where other countries act to prevent it regional security crisis this is inside story.
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and i welcome to the program. villages beheaded and homes torched in northern mozambique more than 2000 people were killed and 300000 displaced over the past 3 years following attacks by fighters linked to i sale and as the security if from the armed group has grown significantly in recent months the lives of many more are now at risk the fighters seized a key port in mozambique's cup with the province in august the area is near offshore gas projects worth tens of billions of dollars and towns and roads in the province have also recently been attacked the government has been struggling to contain the fighters and is the international community for help we will talk to our guests shortly 1st this report from malcolm webb. giulietta car
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lost says she's never seen anything like the recent attack on her village in mozambique by an armed group one of the 79 years she's been alive. we saw our houses burned and they started beheading people we ran away our home is far from here and it took us about 2 weeks to get here. now she's among hundreds hoping to find food and shelter here at a center for displaced people near the town of pemba everyone tells similar stories . sammy says the fighters abducted many children he was lucky to escape with his order so they wouldn't let us leave then they took us to a school and read out our names when they beheaded them with a machete while everyone was watching. the attackers are from armed groups who say they want to create an islamic state their attacks on the mainly muslim population began sporadically 3 years ago this year they've grown stronger occupying some
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towns in cabo delgado province for nearly 2 months they've controlled the port town of muslim border prior they've made regular attacks on other towns roads in the province and some islands too that's made the town of parma only accessible by air and there steadily getting closer to the air from deep in insular around which there are tens of billions of dollars worth of natural gas deposits. the deposit lie offshore in the indian ocean international oil companies including total and any that invested billions of dollars in preparation to extract it the local populations been marginalized and most have lived in poverty for generations watching the investment foreigners getting jobs has ceded discontent and fueled the rebellion which some analysts say could stop the gas projects entirely. think their
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. projects will not. be. nearby in the near. mozambique's armed forces have steadily lost ground to the armed groups military support from the european union and funding from the us both being discussed but nothing's been finalized yet . securing the coastal catholics traction facilities might be possible securing the 2000000 people who live across the province will be much more difficult malcolm webb al-jazeera. let's bring in our guests impending mozambique fen dunder lim a political commentator and chairman of media to an independent media group in
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mozambique in oslo stigall hansen professor in international relations of the no vision university of life sciences also in mozambique in the capital maputo xin either machado research or in the african division of healer weiss watch war welcome to you all fernando for for these fighters to take control of muslim bowed the prior that wouldn't be possible had they not had enough logistical support in the province of capital gado that's. my view and that's my feeling i think step by step. all those rebels are getting better logistics better weaponry and so and moving more freely in the province seems they know very well all the regions they operate but here's just ticks are very
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important and they are getting very very good support in those terms stick why a couple dilger though is it because they want to take control of all the gas field installations there. i don't think these has. to do with the gas fields as basically 2 of these all their patterns you know potential for position between that met ethnic groups in this area and. the government and also all the patterns of networks basically our own the group that we're talking about you know. the onset are so not and so that there's alternate connections there and all the grievances that these groups actually tops into. well senator the. human international human rights organizations have been recently accusing government forces of torturing suspected members of these armed groups and this could raise many questions about the general
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sentiment of the local population if the pattern continues. yes it not only raises the. feeling of distress on the side of the communities but also put to the communities and residents of those areas in a very strange sensitive in danger position we have not only been documenting the abuses of the security forces we previous and missed the target me documenting abuses by the insurgents themselves and abuses by insurgents or gruesome we're talking about beheading we're talking about destruction of destruction of property we're talking about chasing people away from their. own region their areas of origin now what we are seeing is that the community is on those reasons are running away from those abuses by the insurgents and finding
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themselves caught in a position where the abuser becomes their man on uniform. which shouldn't be happening in the security forces on the ground cannot be operate in the same way as the insurgents they have a big asians and their 1st obligation is to exceed the ones that are being targeted by this country fernando these are groups accused of acts of trustees having local villagers torching their own houses forcing people out of their own towns in the area who are they what are their affiliations and why particular starting with the northern part of mozambique. well i can track down to arjun's one is that these are basically poor people and unemployed people living in in this particular area sickened they have been mobilized under days law may create
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meaning it does mean that this is clearly a religious war or a religious. inspired war but religion ev being a main conductor in order to ask people to join despotic of course of course i think also it's important to emphasize poverty and the fact that these unemployed and these poor people do not see any future pore dam in a province where people keep all the time talking about the near future full of riches and full of wealth and this is one of the problems and these are as a challenge for the government and to find a ways to divert. part of this population out of this cycle of violence. these groups stick operating in almost complete secrecy to the
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point where people are trying to find out whether they are affiliated with local groups known as a shop or those affiliated with the city of monotheism monotheist it with a group of cell or think groups or with a.d.f. which has been very active in places like uganda and the democratic republic of congo yes i think there's a puzzle there because also a.d.f. it's not really clear if we have some groups in the a.d.f. sympathizing with the islamic state them indeed being part of the islamic state what we see in areas that you have these islamic province of central africa are part of the islamic state that has always time claimed attacks incite some pick and we've seen it over and over again and we've seen peak chairs from these attacks but it's not clear how much influence the central african province really happen with some big you know there might be super groups in the onset i mean the use of group
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in the a.d.f. that have some kind of affiliation it might actually be that we are in an early state shocked organizational history of this insurgency so that to eat there's actually contradictions within the organisation i'm left awfully ation but the exact amount of influence over this insurgency from for example the islamic state is actually it's hard to measure but what we know is that over and over again these last mixtape will take care responsibility for attacks inside muslim pick and they will have pictures from it but we don't 3 to put it on disco but it might be just smallest of groups who are trade trying to. make an opening for them even though you know local conflict based their own local grievances zenaida had hundreds of thousands of people were forced out of their villages the government is now of the offensive trying to recover to areas lost to the groups and the rebels. themselves saying that they are determined to hold ground is that a concern that we're likely to see deteriorating humanitarian situation in the
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northern part of mozambique yes that is that is the case. most probably will see the situation getting worse like a financial well explained at the beginning distin surgeons are becoming stronger and stronger. this month and exactly this week we are marking 4 years it is obvious that if for some of us that started documenting those abuses from the beginning again and show you that they have they have increased then they have become more gruesome it started with simpler tactical decisions and then it logged into deliberate attack to 7 villages and to set an official's of the government and now what we are seeing is them these arjun's for example kill indiscriminately killing civilians in moving them away from their village that's going to a nation to remove people from the areas because that is of combat that what is the
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reason beyond that we don't know at this stage but the problem is these people that you are mentioned the numbers we have right now to wonder that 515050000 people. that have already left the desert areas and eveready sought refuge in the united become set up by the u.n. and by the government but we know for sure that there are what than 1000000 people that are still trapped in areas way money that and groups can not reach because this is unity and violence is too much for them to face and because in this people have been left there trapped with not help we have been speaking with some people dismiss people who are in the accommodation centers well have told us for example that some of that let it stay beyond because they did not have money for transport what that means is that there is no way of helping them when this area's there is no presence of the state there must. security forces that can help people to come out of their areas some of them for example have been sleeping in the bush for must
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because they're scared of going back to their house and they're also never way of arriving at the accommodations it as from them on as yes these areas will not cause what they were seen as an image then a situation that is was that what we are seeing at the moment fernandez to what extent. have issues like poverty and corruption been instrumental in the rise of armed groups like the ones operating now in a couple of other or has it been many appellative or exploited by them to further expand their political ideology i think these are played a very very crucial role there is to read trying to all the time just to pry does violence as it's so in all important violence eventually there's some external help but i seeing the main reasons and the roots of this
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conflict are internal roots and poverty definitely is playing a very very important role so in order to address this issue you need to address the issue of poverty and develop and you know soon the government is getting to too late in his coming in iraq being too late to address these issues of poverty and under development. stake is the ethnic divide in those regions and element that played into to the advantage of these armed groups yes you know i want to also add that short alter point of when we're discussing this so for me it's the scary to hear these stories about human rights avoid nations on behalf of the state security forces because we see a pattern in all other african countries where actually people on the grown are forced to choose between the how the east and the security forces in order to achieve security and where you have in the scheme that you so why despite
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government security forces it tends to force parts of the population to accommodate to jihadists and this is kind of a successor to seep or for the media to consider and i do think that ethnic. politics also in the ferry in this you have some of these groups closer to the people in power all their ethnic groups feeling alienated but we shouldn't forget that some of these ideology of these militants actually plays into this you know they address this and try to address grievances they talk about unfairness and they in one sense it's a kind of narrative both feet. to talk a grievance it's so it's a kind of a possibility to money played local grievances but not only in money plate because some of the more global activists actually believe in what they're saying that they can act dress some of these local the conflicts by doing it so it's a strange interaction and in order to address these interactions in order to stop
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it ok i have to address people that are also side of the access to power and you have to have government services that provide security on the ground to the local population and what seems to happen now is the opposite ok then and the government seems to be favoring the military option for the time being minute ocean never works in such scenarios we're seeing the example in many many many different places do you have any concerns that this could just further perpetuate the presence of radical groups operating in those areas. the depletion even at this stage is the the amount of force that is being used not only against insurgents but also of against the civilians themselves and then then also questions about the level of capacity that the government has to say it is insurgents and whether they are able for example to distinguish anonymous even that is running away from them of you know that there's been a cat among yourselves and we have over and over heard reports of people that have
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been detained because they were mistaken by sanctions and we have also seen in videos that have been listen to the expose kids where the government mistreats people that in they their custody them and kills the people that are in their custody and that in itself will create some sort of distress among the people of those areas in papua that because they're no good that's a good force at this stage in some areas as an enemy so there's not difference between the actions of soldiers on the ground and the actions of the assassins. fernanda is this an indication that these lamech state in the central province this is what they call themselves are now trying to expand their influence in the center part of africa. to media to death strategy but as the ever been mentioned in this program before they are the information that have been circulating and the research it's not too clear about those internationals but in terms of the
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propaganda in terms of the central province he has it's clear a clear objective and in terms of intelligence gathering on the field it's clear that there are involvement of other forces besides mozambicans operating in fighting areas which means that there are exchange of people in the region and people coming from other regions to join this kind of. fight. you know ordered to ina large. islamic province in southern africa was to try here to look at all the different. aspects of this particular puzzle you have. you have these my mixtape operating in western africa. led by boko haram you have these i misstate operating in the is them part of the of the continent with with us with somalia being
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a battleground you have the i said operating in the region of these groups. linked to each other do they believe in a hierarchy or are they franchise for a purpose now that there are different ways differences between these different f.e.d.'s if you look into it mix they can best africa who is not in the union with the islamic state in samarra they are quite resourceful and in nationally connected if you look into the slavic state in somalia they're more marginalized they're not that big at all and what we see as the predecessor that was speaking is saying is that maybe the situation in congo aswell. maybe not separately subtly maybe it's a little bit speculative we are talking about difference 2 groups within an organization that are actually kind of concerning different ideological states them selves the ideological stance. but what we see is that the islamic province of
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central africa have been very active as of late when it comes to provoke combat and we see that they have been they play me a lot of attacks so it seems like there's an increased interest. to which extent this is coordinated with the islamic state central it we see that they produce there and met their. central islamic state propaganda sites so we see that kind of connection from the eighty's like mix that in central africa but they are playing if there is some kind of direct command lines and this comes at a time when people were talking about the need for more transparency democracy social development programs in central africa veni have these armed groups operating in the area could it be a sign that what we're likely to see in the near future is one of a robust military approach and all those issues have to be relegated to to the future there are a few other things that government should ever addressed by now that to not only.
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her seem to be willing discomfited but also to recover the trial of the victim and for example one of those issues is. again with impunity to punish those that commit abuses on the grounds it doesn't than i think the only solution that the government seems on isn't at the moment is to use force and face the insurgents with the same level of force the trouble is that in some of those areas of conflict the insurgents lost the drain better than the security forces and whether or not the security areas very well better than the security forces i mean what they will door is to use the population against the security forces they will manipulate and they will force the population to be on their side against a 2nd forces now that is a scenario that one doesn't want to wish to see more than become soldiers facing
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with because once they are in a train and oxtail environment of call they will be using excessive force not only to fight the enemy but also to protect themselves and the trouble there is that that target might hand up being a muslim you can be that has already been a target of the insurgents so what will our people at this stage the most and the bigger government be that the should be very. very serious about they do for example human rights of the abuses and make sure that they punish those that commit the music down so that they can bleed game to trust of the population mendicant of the population and those in time outside bring the fight against insurgents for nanda you can defeat armed groups we've seen isis defeated in parts of syria and iraq and also parts of africa but the idea stays and the idea with generates momentum and the comeback in different formats and different shapes what do you think could be the base way out to tackle the rise of radical extremism in
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different parts of the african continent well our i think taking a beacon as an example. poverty is bad a bad predict meant for all sorts of these kind of sings happening around the continent and for example in cover delgado and in mozambique as are all countries if the government would give more privilege to development programs instead of reinforce security forces. intelligence gathering all sorts of of sings may be the population will be more even you to search kind of do do devise of issues like. mozambicans fire fighting each other because deaths what's going on these are despite whatever
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religion you are following what you have is mozambicans fighting each other so what we should have is muslim beacons have a moral level to. social or moral level society in order to or thank you such differences between and among death fernanda limit stigall hunts and so now they're much other thank you very much indeed. thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website dot com for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com for was last a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter how to handle his a.j. inside story from the hash and i got on the entire team here by phone oh.
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