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i am femi ok in this episode of the stream requires a warning we are going to be talking about rape torture and the sexual harassment of women in banda desh and with the women who will not necessarily see any justice so if you need a moment to leave the room if you are watching with somebody who needs to leave the room i will give you that moment meanwhile on you tube sexual violence against women it is not particular to bangladesh it happens will of the well to wherever you happen to be if you have a comment you have a question for i guess you know what to do jump into the comment section and you too can be part of today's show.

i will say hello to the guest the guess what introduce themselves to you jack oh yeah please tell everybody who you while welcome to the stream thank you. so much you're going to work at an amnesty international as is so here is a. welcome hello sero what do we need to know about you for today's discussion welcome to the street. bank love having a son i'm a lawyer and i practice with the court. good to have you should prove a nice to have you on the street i wish it was under better circumstances introduce yourself to the world. thank you mr prohack the state of the talents on justice and human rights. and i guess i'm going to start on my

laptop with a political cartoon and share it with you because he pretty much sums up the challenges that the stream had china to get in touch with officials from the bank and his government to join us in this conversation since formal goals can't rate in bangladesh every day in the new it takes new action why because a significant percentage of the rapists possess political power since they can get away with rape or even murder is if you get right to killed in this country you won't get any justice and there's the figures of authority sitting there not paying any attention survivor at the desk felt that was a little bit like trying to do outreach to the bank and this government took about this subject to prove you have been reporting on protests in bangladesh about sexual violence against women why the people protesting now such a white skinned woman is not new in the language and what happened. i'm so this is

not the 1st time that we've had protests and i think what has really catalyzed it now is last week there was a video was released from really file and brutal gang rape that happened in all of this. but even before the distributor was released we were still talking about 2 distinct cases 2 gang rapes one in slit and the other in the chittagong kill checked up were already dominating media headlines and there were already protests over those issues as well so this this release of the video was. just the straw that broke the camel's back really and that's kind of what kick started this outrage where people took to social media and also took to the streets to ask justice and you know while there's been unified in their call of just as their spin different defiance different debates that have come up from the protesters as well. again let me just being

a con and and she was as you said outraged by this video going viral and starr i want to pick up from her comments here because it's more than just a viral video let's take a look there is a viral video of a woman in bali lish getting sexually assaulted and raped by a group of men the circulating all over social media we shouldn't have to keep seeing explicit videos like this and constant hashtags for us to be sympathetic and to demand change these men that are committing these horrible crimes are getting little to no punishment at all it is up to us to demand justice and to change the mentality the woman deserved to get raped her simply existing hold these men accountable. sallah people have been outraged by this video which

is is now legally been asked to be taken down you can't see except that it's almost impossible to remove it from everybody social media feeds but the idea that this would be a catalyst for more protests what is the biggest story that we should be looking at . well as a superpower said a lot of the demands are around. of focusing on the issue of impunity but the demands around asking for punishment and then. the order of the those who commit rapes with impunity do not perceive in punishment for that do end up being in. but i think they're really making songs of convictions and trials going to a conclusion the bigger issue is why women who face this kind of agree just violence kong seek justice in the 1st place and i think there are many activists on the streets also reason that point that we have to have the right to seek justice is

more important than that we have to end this reproach the fact that women are terrified and it's a reality that this kind of violence can happen to you on the streets in public places even in workplaces and so on and i think it's that united voice against rape culture now is a chance to kind of make a difference but to focus on the fact that women can seek justice in these situations i'm just saying how much. i'm just going to share a s k s a s case. we know what we're talking about kind of because of rape in such a violent ways underreported so ask a legal aid and human rights organization just stand by for what we're looking at this is january through september the number of women that they've been able to money who have been right attempted rapes people who have died from being right people who committed suicide after being right you choose to come in is a saying we need we need to justice and we want to be on the street safely. justice

how do women get justice actually families get justice we really connected to families it's not just about women it's about the entire community. here i'll go back to will and make to heighten. the anger bar to beat 1st of all good to me get the goose on net natural the work by attached. the only women has been defeated so they're created shocking. and the 2nd thing is the words. from work to actually spoke of a boat there is a deep sense of injustice prevailing in the society primarily due to the lack of. punishment i'm just giving you want one status to one. according to the one star present standard that they're killing at least so i did in our

case did a man on the law why not release at 7 percent and he says that the punishments have been. so overwhelmingly i mean 99 percent of the gays is the b.j. does get away with it and the term is that there is a winning trust on the on the political actors and the institutions. are going to expire but keep it here now and for these there is a political angle in a risk in the year that there is in deep sense i mean there is a serious concern about the state of the mother to keep presentation in the source a b. so there is a deep sense of disenfranchisement how the suspect is drama how the state is run so i think it gong ignition of all this effect as. to the situation where we now are being. given bach-y.

and. we have still barry and jack and jackie and we have to. we have to be very candid in this conversation and i'm going to sara and and. to help me here because even the definition of what it means to be right. is a very specific definition that doesn't help women in reporting it survive it and then get justice let me start with. can you explain how rape is seen in bangladesh in the legal terms but so that everybody can understand it. so i try a rip is defined actually still under almost over 150 years ago a lot left by the british colonial rulers called the penal code and in that

definition we have had a more recent law even that is 20 years old now it's deals with. women but in. a rape and in error and it requires penetration 1st and very strong penalties for different forms of sexual assault rape is sarah so i'm going to come out raging modesty's at the other end. so i'm going to help her to pick up a little bit because because we're having trouble hearing your a chick over would you just finish off that definition for why it is difficult for women to actually say oh i have been sexually assaulted all right in bangladesh it's about the definition. yeah i mean like the the way we define babe is really a part of our colonial legacy so it's very very specific in our country and there

it has to be. a specific form of penetration there we don't consider marital rape to be very grateful for boys so i think it's not i don't know what happens according to case law but according to the actual written code it doesn't could sit it's not considered to be rape in that sense sol there indefinitely a lot of concerns about the definition. the way that the legal processes work like there is also a lot of concern over the fact that during rape trials you're allowed to use character evidence so you can actually question them or ality of the rape survivor or when she is go it's like the rape survivor herself is going on trial and not the rapist so there are a lot of kind of institution all bias against women and that is a cause of concern but having said that does there is also a wider culture of shaming there is what we you know we've really been talking

a lot about rape culture and i think that's truly unique about these protests is that people are really pointing that out they're saying that wire rape survivor so afraid of coming to the police because in this specific case and the video that went viral it only went to fire all because the rapist themselves released it. and once this you know kind of took over social media and people started talk about in the case was launched only then did it come out that this woman had previously been abused a number of times by this person and his you know there he's the leader of local gang and she was never able to go to anyone and talk about it and i think it's very telling that the rapist. the snow has released the video to you tell me it was profound and so good so much impunity that they can release the video

how would you think you could commit a crime like this in the least the video is a i've got some questions for you guessed it let me just share these with you. should fly at says thank you write should not be child in civil court justice delayed in delight this should be different bench and just system for rape cases in a country so that she is in bangladesh is that possible. having a different court that can actually look at sexual sought right accept or is that even a legitimate possibility. we have actually chili's on the. maps right so we have this just. so we have. a special train. track trying to escape the

95 on country way. because i mean we also are like you that. have to be. more. mean you have to fade out and more geographic of. more not numbers and giving a lot of. salute to the number of judges that's not only is a message that's already in place yes ok so. it's most common it's not that we don't need special courts we have special courts that called tribunals and violence against women and children we've had them for 20 years so that's not really the issue the issue is about what happens in the court and the even bigger issue is about what happens before you get to court right so people are focusing a lot on the issue of the legal process we're also very concerned with the laws in the changes that need to happen and so on but really

a critical thing is how we enforcing what already exists how do women get access how do they get abstract complaints lodged when they're being when they're being terrified they're being intimidated being told that they seek justice they're liars they're being defamed their families are being threatened with people they work with a threat how do we work in that situation that's really the can't get through to do it with a national provider says the rape culture is the big thing to address and that also unfortunately carries on partly through the legal process in the investigation women and the lynch. so i get about whether what this in or not when they get into court we have these almost 200 year old evidence in process and that means that women and believe their questions about the prospects of these. images when you see ray i have to tell you i want to finger it so. yes i'm ok since i was about about to describe an egregious practice which involves. penetrating

a woman to check to see if she has indeed been sexually assaulted which again is an assault in itself let me get across to lucy ray lucy ray was looking at how we get out of this situation how do we improve the situation for the women who are survivors and then so that we don't even have to be survivors this is lucy and it's in this the protests that currently take place in the streets of bangladesh are a culmination of years of frustration a lack of action of culprits of sexual savitri how to account for example we're dealing with a 12 year old girl in celebs who suffered horrific abuses we're calling on the government to take a stand in appoint a minister to allow these women to come forward and their families to come forward without fear of reprisals overlooked and shaming these choices need to be held to the counts taken soko given lengthy sentence is a crime so i want to go back to you chief 100 con 100 thank you

can you please explain to us the punishments under penal code for right what are the punishments right now. so the punishment circuits reported by death. so if it's reported by the death penalty and there are other there's a provision of and there's a life sentence otherwise for a player which is which it is the been to but at the moment there are demands being raised by many and the government is also considering whether to impose the death penalty simply put for acts of simple rape not followed by murder now one of our concerns is that what we've seen in the past is having either the death penalty or having amended the life sentence often means that even more you know i'm not willing necessarily to impose the highest sentence where they see that there are many problems with their with the prosecution with the legal process so one of our demands there are many demands are many people demanding the death 21 of the demands many of us working in the legal system and with women are saying that we

don't really want that what we want is for there to be a proper sentencing guidelines so that proportionate punishments can be different in relation to the need to the bridges that would also take into account. of the accused for example it may be a person who's mentally ill it may be a young person or a child who is a perpetrator you have to take those things and you can have a ones size fits all kind of solution so that's what would you consider and yeah this is confusion on a huge. audience amongst. maybe you could take this. my question the only is rape happening we always have these conversations never he solutions maybe we should educate one of the citizens people should be allowed because. many right can you answer that is even possible to and can anyone not in any part of the want.

was really intriguing question i do think that part of that has all been discussed there to be completely. dysfunctional the eaglet of it is he. there. to punish the perpetrators. and just to add to illuminate. in a dish and do that if english and the indians management part. that there is an other problems and is the witness protection still. the victims and we continue to fear that the ends and the 2nd believe in the movement is that in the broader society we have to question the will is the rule of law i mean you can have the world's finest legal or it is easy and the law but if as our as

it is that if the laws are not applied equally we the discrimination in the pro process is are not efficient and if the law enforcement agencies not be behaving professionally even in their more that's upper indeed. each that executive of the officials are not restrain. him it's said by the. more the school questions have. implications in the dispensation of justice and the 3rd and final one and that legacy that the deeply embedded social structure and the behavioral aspects a the resurging is the degree of the better your views real. how to hear to get respect and we mean we have to deal with them. individually and finally what i would say that there is a lack of political will because we have been we have female rapper prime minister

for leg of the last 3 decades except 2 years so treated against the country is where this female head of this state mean hatred of the government and you see it have a graph here you see the number of relives and bias against him and just increasing rates will be doing 2018 to 2019 there is a 70 per person job. and. probably jack can react if i may let me let me let me add to hill more thought and this is from un women this shoko ishikawa who comes with some solutions to this huge huge problem and have a listen the u.n. would like to see a comprehensive review of the handling of rape cases in the justice system so that we can better understand why the delays and the attrition of sexual violence cases

take place and we can initiate reform we also need to close the gaps in the laws and invest more in the special courts hooman in children that handle sexual violence cases so that victims are protected and the speedy trials take place in all of this the death penalty is not an acid to sexual violence death penalty does not serve the interest of the victims and it also does not deter crime i'm just looking here at a recent headline bangladesh most death penalty for rape cases as price range i am wondering guess where you would like to use that the power the energy of these current protests what would you like to happen right briefly when the last one minutes of the shuttle program. what should happen next in a sentence i think obviously the government has to judge the public good and us are of a set of fortunately

a lot of people have asked for death penalty but i think what it really shows is that people are calling for exemplary punishment and they're calling for punishment so in the short run they should definitely ensure that these cases are seen true but in the long run we do need to see the forms of the law and we don't you just are we don't i say this last minute recess as well sara one thing one thing that you would want right now what's possible. what everyone is united in is wanting justice and justice means the right to able to seek justice to see it through to get protection for a victim as well as punishment for a perpetrator we need to stand with the victims we need to enable them to seek justice that's what i want to. get tricky at you you can always sell much information but if we bolt it down to one thing one thing that could happen right now in a stand the. one thing is i'd like to add to the regaining

trust in institutions and in the rule of law and i would say political. cause is the final final. 8 i don't see that moving in the right direction. i really appreciate this is such a difficult topic even to talk about you cheap thank you for your questions your thoughts your suggestions it's while i was a thank you to salvage ok yes of the as well the looking act with impunity that appears to be happening around great such a circuit and can check out when. they can.

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