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word to refer to them monday. like the listening post monetization in tougher it's the media on al-jazeera. nearly a decade after the fukushima nuclear disaster japan's government is considering releasing more than a 1000000 tons of treated radioactive water into the sea but how will people in the area and japan's neighbors react this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i mean ron come on it's been nearly 10 years since the fukushima nuclear disaster in japan still struggling to manage its consequences one of the most serious challenges involves some 1200000 tons of contaminated water that still being stored near the site this week japanese media reported the

government is considering releasing that water into the pacific ocean something that's prompted complaints from japanese fishermen and neighboring governments we'll bring in our guests in just a moment but 1st let's remind you of what happened at the fukushima nuclear power plant the site was destroyed by a powerful earthquake and tsunami that struck off the northeastern coast of japan in march of 2011 in the days that followed its cooling systems failed and tons of radioactive material leaked into the air and sea. japan's government designated a large of occupation zone around the plant and more than 150000 people were forced to leave their homes an extensive operation to decommission the plant is expected to take decades but the plant operator now says they're running out of space to store the contaminated water. let's bring in our guests now in amsterdam yan have

a count senior expert on nuclear energy and energy policy at greenpeace in tokyo michael prior president of the shin gets to news agency and also in tokyo tomohiko taniguchi a former special advisor to the cabinet oceans are also professor at the care university graduate school of system design and management welcome to you all i'd like to begin in tokyo with you tom he could turn to gucci the fact that they're doing this now the fact that they are considering releasing this treated radioactive water into the pacific ocean has many people alarmed why would they dump radioactive water into the pacific ocean there are 2 kinds of names 2. car water and mr carr and you're using 2 descriptions one is to call it contaminated another treated the fact

of the matter is it is vast amount of. water no longer contaminated because there is an hour range amount and system called alcs that is advanced a liquid processing system the only remaining radio active material is. but everyone knows the tritium is on pole in our poll supply and natural water's a bowl kinds it is in the human body and if you ask anyone in this field even if you drink the water that has a treaty and in it it'll it'll cause no harm and so the japanese government and the advice given by the i a e a hoss been considering ways to release the war either to.

into the air or to released into the sea and i think in a week or so the government is going to have a decision but why all the government considering releasing it into the pacific ocean if they do have of options well it is the easiest way and given the huge amount of tour a trade war i think it is. swift swift and the easiest way and indeed that's exactly what all the nuclear power plants across the world have been doing for decades but those nuclear power plants haven't been destroyed in the tsunami yet another quake i mean this is a this is a very distinct sholay well that's that's one point that you should mention but the other thing is the total amount of trichy i'm released by some nuclear power plants around japan actually involved have been big in amount

on the anti amount of tritium stored on site at the fukushima daiichi power plant. so you would be happy for your family once this is happening the water has gone into the pacific ocean to eat the fish that is fished in those waters you'd be happy to drink from those waters to go into those waters if you ever went to the beach you think it's all business as usual fisherman are grossly unhappy and that's why this is difficult and that's why it's taken us for the japanese government to consider this despite the this fight the call from the i.a.e.a. to move swiftly and i think it's going to take some more months between the 2 to negotiate between the fishing community and the central government i think there must be some sort of understanding cut between the 2 parties. yeah to have

a campaign. it's all perfectly safe it's been treated this is on a vice from various different scientific organizations what is that worry about well and most of that i hear the word treatment being used instead of contaminated comment. think differently then this is a kind of newspeak yes the water is treated. but the system that is treating it help system. is not as effective as it was hoped to be many years ago when they started using it and the water that we talk about is still contaminated he still has traces of stone to 90 and other isotopes where else has milk in him too functional to me. of course the biggest problem that we do face is treats you mean the in the in the water and. then

coming forward and saying well there is not a problem treating is being emitted everywhere in the world and it's in seawater yes but we're going to talk about a large amount of treats you know it's going to be put into the system directly near to or directly need for shima for factor. the the i think the crucial words that we just heard was beef and he see that as well taco and the japanese government would like to do they want to get rid of this problem safe and easy so the everybody will forget about it especially these attempts of being wrong already for a long time we've seen it time to to make for sure trying trying to make sure go away phrases in the run up to the union to games that are planned for this year that are now you know it's 2 into next year. that is the provision about a nuclear problem is a large problem and. i think i have to say that i. i have

a lot of compassion for the fisherman and other people who are making their living and usually a professor in toronto it and who fear for their income at the moment that this will take place. we have been arguing already for years that it is better to take your time to take care that treatment is happening to down to levels which are under the acceptable rules and not to take certain decisions that will cause the amounts of water to be emitted that do not meet the normal current theory but yet have account all its isn't something that will concrete you can tell us i mean you know you're saying actually the fisherman to be kind of you know up in arms about this and will be upset about this but you haven't actually said what the effect of that contaminated that treated water going into the pacific ocean might

be and our guest in tokyo suggest that there won't be any effect. well if they're if if if there would have been very clear signs about low levels of radiation very clear signs about how treats humans behaving itself and ecosystems that we would be able to have another discussion about the problem is that that exact science is not there there's a lot of uncertainty about the effects of treats you know. for instance to the canadian more term court is is using prettier which are 20 times as sharp as the current t.v. which are friends as used by the i.a.s. and they do that with good reason because they have found out that there is a lot of uncertainty and that there are facts that should should weigh into the whole discussion and the ball and that you're talking about these kind of uncertainties you use the so-called speak or 3 principle and in this case that is not a problem at all there is no problem at all in story more water over time and continuing

to search for better ways to treat this water and a certain moment is water treatment to wait that in fulfills the criteria before to use the released into for instance the ocean but this moment what we see is in the swift and he's we see. pressure on the whole system not for scientific reasons but simply for economic reasons let's bring in michael paine has also in tokyo he's the president of the shin gets a news agency michael this is clearly been a huge talking point in japan itself it seems to me given what i've been reading that the 1st line of defense against dumping this water into the pacific ocean is the fishermen and the fishing industry what are their objections to all of this. well so you know i think it's instinctually most people could understand what it is you know the 2 previous guests have kind of shown you already the spectrum of the

scientific debate on the one hand you have the japanese government which very much insists there is absolutely no danger here and then you have other other critics who say well we don't know for certain that it's dangerous but we don't know for certain that's not so nice. for saying there's uncertainty about whether or not there might be a problem down the road from from releasing this water into the ocean but you know whether or not. whichever side the scientific argument is on i think there is a great deal of certainty that when people read in their newspapers that treated contaminated water from the fukushima daiichi disaster is being dumped into the pacific ocean near fukushima that it's going to have an effect on the ability of these fisherman to be able to sell their fish because people are going to say well we're not 100 percent sure it is safe now that could be bad reporting or it could

be a scientific. discretion or science or just being prudent but the reality the economic reality for these fishermen is real and you can expect that their debt their businesses will be damaged by it whether or not it's safe or or not safe but look you just take the temperature for us in japan. is the public behind this move is is it a popular move to to to say that actually that the water is safe they can be dumped or is it is a people divided as one of the well the japanese public might be thinking. well to be honest i have i haven't seen a specific poll that's asked about that cyc i cannot answer that question with precision but i would say that you know because of the history on the fukushima issue particularly before the accident when when the government did insist that everything was quite safe with the operation nuclear plants and because of things

like revelations that tepco a new foreign aid years in advance of the accidents that a tsunami could potentially do damage enough to to create such an accident you know essentially that there were you could argue lies told to the public in the past about nuclear power and so because of that you know justified or not i think a lot of people see skep look at government claims and tepco claims tepco being the operator of the plant with a great deal of skepticism and you know people you know i don't think anybody would like the idea that the seafood on their plate comes from a place where treated radioactive water has been recently dumped so you know again it's a matter of perception what whichever side the reality is on the hits how to gauge it's a matter of perception your government hasn't got the confidence of the people because

of things that happened in the past you think you will be the government will be able to push this through if that's the path it decides to go to. truly. perception not science perception sometimes dogs marta than anything else which is to be understood by anyone dealing with this issue. but. when it comes to scientific evidence a huge amount of evidence house already been there in the sense. of fish stocks that fishing community daiichi. relies upon is not contaminated so they complaints and worries understandably for the fishing community around the power plant are much

to do with the perception and they are telling the japanese government to do more on the perception and. as your guest from the netherlands says if it's possible for all of the tokyo electric power company to take it as before things are going to be settled they could do of that but they have already built 1000 nearly 1000. and on site in the plant there is a very little room physically left them to continue to build tonks and i think 2021 i think next year is going to be the limit which is why the sense of urgency have kicked in yet have a come what's your reaction. well that is exactly what we're talking about 1st of

all the designs and i just want to make one remark about the signs here. there is no guarantee about the amount of radioactive substances that are still remaining in the 1200000 tons that tepco wants to emit into the ocean they also are going to take 2 more years to prepare for that so even don't know exactly what the money situation will be playing them there what we do know is that the government with this blind certainty and let go of wanting to talk about uncertainties for years already has been say we can't do this we are doing this and every time again it appears again that the op system for instance was not performing to what it needed to do so those are the dumps that we have and that we see all around us are just the front end of course the amount of space onsite is limited and is the only getting fuel to go beyond that and be aware that in the coast so there

is still ample space that will cost and it comes to a coast the reason why ted owens and continue with this is the question of cost it's trying to cut costs and with that risk in diesel livelihood for instance a fishery community there can also help the people who are trying to make their livelihoods in the fukushima prefecture but yet have a cap we do have to be realistic head that is an economics consideration to take into consideration there is you know you have to make this cost effective and what i guessed in tokyo is saying is that this is the most cost effective way of doing it. well the most cost effective way would have been to take the heat to take the morning or from last to the tsunami is seriously and invest in that time we have now seen a contester fee for which tempo is trying to bunches responsibility time and again

and this is one of the very many instances where temp was trying to do that and i am very sympathetic to to mine to my japanese friends in the region who say we've seen this once twice tens dozens of times happen in tepco tries to get away from it because of course it is threatening of course of history cannot be. but it is the responsibility that it is scary for catastrophe than this course and walking away from that responsibility and then in the process of destroying the livelihoods of even more people than they have already done is not acceptable to the hca tentatively why is this under consideration and not the vaporization plan is the vaporization plan much more expensive. our of course it's going to be much much more expensive and it will take much much more time in terms of the veil ability for the conchs its role full stop i have been there on site

and have taken a close look at how narrow space has already become and so it's going to be impossible for ted got responsible or not to make more tonks so why doesn't tepco deserve what is on time haitian i should suggest you go to canadian nuclear plant called bruce a nuclear generating station a known kerio and test the water to see how contaminated it is tritium has been. released from that plant in a massive number and that has caused no harm to the fishing community nearby but. you are talking about tepco being responsible for this now as i understand it it's not just this has to be the japanese government as well they have to take much more

responsibility than they have done is that right certainly it is in the 1st place tepco serious points ability building those massive number of times has come from the shrinking profit of tepco so so long as tepco could carry on his tepco has responsibility michael penn what do the japanese people think of that what do you what did the journalists there in japan think of that it's you know this is effectively a private company that is managing a national ecological disaster. well that lying is not really so clear in japan you know i mean effectively in the wake of the accident tepco is more or less nationalized in terms of its structure of who's who's calling the shots but that was you know we talk about the big industrial enterprises like this

they always work very closely with the ministries which which oversee them and so you know whether this isn't. the system of the business structure in japan isn't exactly the same as you would see in europe or the united states where there is a pretty clear distinction between the public and private sector so what you're saying i'd like to know you say is michael that the japanese government isn't doing enough big and but it could. well let's put it this way it's the japanese government that's ultimately calling the shots i think would be a fair fair assessment the ministries which are involved are the ones who are you know it's probably ministry bureaucrats who are making the key decisions not some you know private sector individuals who are operating on their own you have to have a camp the japanese government is responsible and needs to do more what's the international response to that what is there any international pressure that can be

put on and the aid and help to the japanese government oh there's there's several forms of of a transfer of pressure growing all of this mall and the 1st of all these issues already has already been discussed in the international maritime organization no to come back there again because there are international obligations that are only japan that the that that you know to law it's to make these kind of emissions so we will see that kind of international pressure continue on the japanese governments to come to know that this issue 'd. then of course there is also. possible further support. especially in the in the reaal move the treaty asians so that means removing treats you from the torture there are developments going mobile technically guns at this moment. that newt's needs implementation and it will not be easy and it is one of the big problems that we face with 3 of the new zoster is

we absolutely not be prepared for exhaustion of these kinds and we're trying to mitigate its impacts only go on the fly so to speak and that is very key visible here is well we don't have to we did not have the technology before hints to clean up porter and the treaty properly we have to think of that now when we are any into these had only 2 these problems these developments are ongoing and the japanese government instead of keeping an arm's length route and yet. this is going to have that we are running out of time and there is one very quick question i want to ask all 3 of you before we go 1200000 tonnes of treated radioactive water may well go into the pacific ocean to tell him would you eat japanese fish after that happens certainly i would drink that water myself michael paine would you i'm not sure i want to go jump into the tank and drink the water but in terms of

eating seafood in japan yeah i'm you know i wouldn't have a problem with and i will i will eat seafood and you don't have a company were shaking your head you're not going to be any japanese seafood if this happens. to. me the question is are these you're there to see if we true since japanese cd release. is all my menu regularly. i find it so this is. i want to thank all our gas you have a camp tomohiko taniguchi and michael pan and thank you to forging you can see the program again any time by visiting our website how does their dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story and you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me and ron cowen and the entire team here by going to.

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