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the government is want indigenous protesters not to block arose during the recovery after months of coronavirus lockdown because of the most easiest the most we must remember that the national government respects peaceful dialogue respectful of the constitution and the law. but native colombians insists there's no turning back and warned they'll remain on the streets to join a nationwide strike against police brutality as well as the government's handling of the current a virus outbreak whether they're allowed to meet the president or not barbara and al jazeera. this is al jazeera and these are the headlines the number of confirmed coronavirus cases around the world has surpassed 40000000 countries across europe are now impose and more restrictions to tackle the new wave of infections thailand's prime
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minister has issued a conciliatory message to protesters saying rallies which were banned are now primitive as long as they're peaceful thousands demonstrated in bangkok for a 6 day demand channel just resignation they want a more democratic constitution as well as changes to the monarchy but it really about what the government has to do is protect the monarchy because this is the juicy of all types people we request just these few things and we request the protesters to demonstrate peacefully. there's no plan to expand the area of the state of emergency the government's trying to compromise as much as possible i want to ask the protesters for a few things don't destroy government and private property don't do anything wrong and most importantly don't let there be fighting. protesters in chile have held large demonstrations to mark one year since the start of the movement for change there demanding social reforms and a new constitution but the protests were marred by vandalism looting and violence
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that left dozens injured the u.s. special envoy to afghanistan zalmay hollies says attacks are threatening to derail peace talks a suicide bomber killed at least 13 people in the western province of gore on sunday tens of thousands in helmand province of lead increased fighting between the taliban and government forces chief palestinian negotiator katz is in a medically induced coma while being treated for coronavirus complications he was taken to hospital on sunday doctors say he's in a critical condition after contracting covert 19 in 2 weeks ago there are reports a senior white house official travel to syria for talks on the release of at least 2 u.s. citizens and wall street journal says cush patel a deputy assistant president trump syria's president in damascus earlier this year and that's your state keep it here on al-jazeera inside story is up next.
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rising anger on thailand's streets and an unprecedented challenge to its monarchy protests against politicians and generals before but with demonstrators now also criticizing the king is this time different this isn't a story. welcome to the program. thailand's king is facing his biggest challenge since ascending to the throne 4 years ago pro-democracy protesters are demanding curbs on his powers
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and they also want the prime minister a formal army general to resign the demonstrations are largely student led and have spread across thailand in recent months dozens were arrested or injured in rallies that took place in the last few days so what are the protesters main concerns about the time on a cape they accuse the king of moving beyond his role of a constitutional monarch which has been the law since 1932 they oppose his move to take personal control of tens of billions of dollars in crown assets the protesters also want to change it broadly worded laws that threaten anyone who criticizes the role family with up to 15 years in jail activists also complain the king spends much of his time in europe mainly in germany will bring in our guests in just a moment but 1st tiny change has this update from bangkok. this is the spot on friday where the thai government appeared to draw a line under their indulgent attitude towards student protest to be gaining
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momentum since july riot police and water cannon pushed back the protesters in scenes to show many thais and they saw them on social media and on t.v. the government has also employed new emergency legislation to seize those student leaders and on saturday the police effectively closed off the hold of central bangkok try and stop any more protests taking place the students have also be very results while using social media they've created lash up mobs and they're. the same and want the government to step down they want the monarchy to be reformed and they want their leaders to be released on the harassment of those taking part in these protests but is this go from here well nobody's quite sure the protesters seem to be able to operate well surely the government will push for a harder crackdown and it should be remembered that just down the road from here in
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2010 the army used live fire against red shirt protesters the generals who are in charge on that day are running the country today many people here are concerned that could happen again. for inside story on tony. let's bring in our guest joining us from bangkok. pro-democracy activists and leader of the we vote movement in kyoto japan. associate professor of kyoto university and also in bangkok donovan ik chairman of the faculty of law at the college of asians call this a warm welcome to you all i'd like to begin in bangkok with you. these protests are getting bigger and bigger and bigger but it's not just the government in the firing line this time it's the morning as well and particularly the king what's the
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difference between these protests and process a decade ago when it wasn't really about monica he was about the money. i think because the number of the cool accurate late and the parts that you just see that the monarchy needs reform in other have. to be really under constitution and not being able to interfere with politics that's the main reason i think well let me bring in poverty here as well you're in kyoto now this is a very interesting. period of time for thailand because the king is under much more a microscope than he ever has been before for what many people consider quite eccentric behavior staying in germany taking over $40000000000.00 worth of the country's assets and generally not trying to destroy a constitutional monarchy is that right well i mean that's quite right observation
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i think this is about him or not the not behaving constitutionally seems the interim and in 2016 you have seen the king attempting to consolidate his power once again of the constitution for example you know who had the constitution amended election to derogate fair saw that he could exercise more power and you yourself said that it is correct that the king of the transfer body asif under crop of people to be under his or position worth about $60000000000.00 u.s. dollars the king is also a lot we have these private troops and also or to be protected by the left and death the law so i think the students start up has come to term with you know the demand for the reform you know basically to put it would not be back in a constitution whitest or difficult not so what do you think of that why is is the king trying to reinstill or instill a absolute monarchy. i think it is too
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far too late to say that because i don't have enough evidence and he's on the throne far far far just a few years but we we we see some some sign that is. the 1st thing after we have the new constitution. after it passed the referendum that was the in interference to amend some clause that that that is about the king's authority and that is a worrying sign. donovan i can bangkok also i mean we are looking at a king who is not that popular amongst certainly students certainly the younger end of the population do you think there is a popular mass swelling of support for the for the anti want to movement
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what i i will not touch upon the popularity 'd of his majesty the king but i think the question that their students are costing 'd upon their reteam as well as the establishment and the government as a whole i think it is something to be look at that whether or not the the core of the proposal is actually demonstrating that there is a problem of popularity against the king. all 'd 'd is it the problem of the rich him as a whole that we are calling upon every form of democracy in this country that we think that the government is problematic and that we think that overall the institution is the head of state however the control of the country demonstration of the country is with india stablish meant hands and now the establishment has turned itself into the government and that might be the actual problem so if we
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can't tackle this issue together i think the question of popularity of the king might not be of a question but if it's this this king has is particularly controversial he lives in germany jade he doesn't respect numbers time he's trying to change the constitution and you are effectively saying that actually the process that should be processing is the government not the monarchy but this is a monarchy that is actually taking steps that are encouraging people to question his rule now i think if you look at the amendment to the constitution that has been raised that his majesty the king amended to served him self if you look at the draft constitution as a whole when he was drafted it was drafted under the reign of king robert and i. that had been many issues during such time that were written
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in order 'd to work their way out in their reign of king or on monday night we don't know what is that mean an what is with his majesty king $110.00 that his majesty has to stay in germany but the way in which his majesty is working under this current constitution also linked to the amendment to the constitution so that his majesty will be able to serve the country better so i think if we look at it this way we will find out and at there is also some issues some aspects of the constitution that of course yes it is amend it might have to be very wise in the future but it's not caring towards the power all the royal pure operative of his majesty the king but caring towards how his majesty the king can work for the
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country more effectively yes but this is a king who has introduced the lez just laws which allow people to go to jail for criticism of the monarchy for up to 14 years that's a 15 years rather and that's a just tell me i mean when you listen to somebody like jade what are your thoughts do you think that you're not being respectful enough of the time when a key and actually what you're doing is incredibly disrespectful. i don't think that talk about me when he said not respectful because of yes the i think i have never done that i think among the pro-democracy movement there there is a diversity among us the way we may have the same aim and the same goal that we want to reform the monarchy because there are a few laws that is problematic as well for its for example the less matters than law which is not in line with the global spend are for the rules
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a lot but among among the movement we have some people who are quite radical in the way they communicate we have some people who community it rudely are even the famed the famed that are communicate in the way that you should not actually do that to anybody left alone being that are not and there are people who are just coming on the principle and and that that should be ok with every yes including the day and maybe of the ryan list so i think this is an important point that it's a very city among the pro-democracy movement and although you have the same goal in moving the country forward to be in the international standard of democracy and constitutional monarchy the way we communicate affect people people's fear living and that may may be the factor that that caused some of the
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major conflicts here. pavane in character so it's very interesting that what we're seeing to develop between our 2 guests different sides of the same protest coin is that the monic he is seen to be quite a powerful institution but unlike in the u.k. where you have this free spirit head almost mocking of the monarchy in some points even if you're critical of the monarchy there still seems to be a knowledge of it that it is a powerful institution does that make this protest unique and a bit more difficult to try and get change. well i guess you know i mean the conversation these contestants start to bore me because i don't know why the other presenter the artist commented the best if you do not get to the point just go out the coach come on you know we are doubt here and we know what we know what is the
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problem. it is ok to criticize them or not be and no matter you know how radical you are i mean you're talking about an institution that is so do watch for a lot of people who have been under disparaging for so long being dominated for so long you know when that benefit being kicked the tech away taken away i think you have to understand that this is a methodist. and the way that they rest on to you know in their protests could come across as radical i think ok with that right and this also to compare with the u.k. more not to the british monarchy i have lived in the u.k. for many years and i can see a big difference big difference here so well as you can mock you know the queen it is it ok because i mean the queen has certain status and and that she is to them and powerful even when she allows you know her people who criticise her i think that is it's not only true to make them or not remain powerful but also to the men
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. and also read for other people as well coming back to the time or not this is totally different issue we know the you know the problem with the let's make this the law it has become you know of course a weapon anyone can use to use this law to under my door open and so i think the more they use the law let me test it the more it could damage reputation of the one and that has been the issue the problem with the time or not is the song gentle guessing here to suggesting that this monica is using laws against its own people that may well but 5 to be the less majesty lowered and the community any criticism of the of the monarchy you could say 16 years in jail is the monica setting his powers. well no and i think i have 20 aspects to discuss here i i can agree with the when the 1st aspect that the
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some of the politicians and perhaps some of what part of the establishment in a long time of the thai histories throughout many many coup step had happened and used the list majestic laws to suppress its opponents that i can agree with and i think that's wrong in itself and i don't think that has something to do with king rama the 10s our current king there rickly at all because in raising the imprisonment of the less majestic law here in this country that happened long ago i think it was during the time that his majesty our current king was just appointed from by his majesty king or i might add nines as the crown prince so that's the 1st thing that yes i can agree with the 2nd thing is that when we look at insulting when we're looking at defaming 'd i think we have to
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differentiate between those and mocking our tontine and differentiate east with what we call commenting criticizing i think we can comment we can criticize but i think taunting someone mocking someone. even when someone raised the issue of yes her majesty queen elizabeth the 2nd didn't mind but i think that is also disrespectful to majesty queen elizabeth the 2nd but there is a problem. there is a good day there is a difference between being critical and protesting the fact that the king spends most of his time in germany he's transferring $40000000000.00 from the state to a personal fund he is making moves so say the protesters to try and bring in an
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absolute want to keep those are fair criticisms are they not. well i think i'm not sure about being fair or not but i can i can accept that that is car comment are criticizing ok but what i was saying is that if it's up to the level of insulting or defaming it's wrong against everyone not only his majesty the king ok then the issue is that i think we have to tackle the real problem of this country and if we get through with the real problem of this country and if you think that hardly under constitutional monarchy or democracy with king as head of state there is a problem in there i think we can call for reform of the regime of democracy with king as head of state or reform 'd of the regime of constitutional monarchy but not attacking directly to reform the monarchy or 'd to. discipline the
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conduct of his majesty to keep i think we have to separate all of these issues from each other in bangkok what our guest other guest in bangkok seems to be saying is that yes you can protest yes you can be critical however you can mock or insult the king but the laws are so wide and can be interpreted in many different ways are you worried that free comment fair criticism is going to be used against you and it will be seen as an insult and therefore you might be arrested. ok let me correct you a little bit i did not say that you cannot mock the king but i say that the way of communication may make the aim of reform becoming more difficult because we have to we have to me that the context in thailand the monarchy is part of the culture for for
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a long long time and sometimes it is done with propaganda and we are we are not that which mean there fractions in does a society and there is like to coalesce in the society and in order to make the reform possible you need the buy even from all parties are even and you need a consensus in order for the reform to take place and that's why i put a very high importance of how we communicate and yes i agree we should be able to criticize we should be able to to mock at a certain level of by certain people you cannot control the whole population. but in order for the real reform to make place we have to at the same time we talk we also have to have to listen and see what the other side being and that was my quite so far for your question about whether or not we can criticise fraley we cannot
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because at the moment when when they and they do and use the last month as the law and we believe by the order of the king and the law is the u.s. for example or the computer crime act. in law which. we theri haase punishment and that is even more damaging to our rule of law in the country because the. authority who tried to have these toit the hero in that in order to make a. person you have tea and that is not right i would rather they use the less much just in law and trying to use of the word law which is not relevant to the act of the person and this is where the problem he's weak because we really cannot yet reformed the monarchy and because he cannot the parliament will not even talk about amending the list much as the law and when you try to avoid using
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a sorry not so we all we all running out of actually already out of time and i do when it comes to our other guests as well and we will come back here hopefully pavane less so for the international. community just very quickly in germany the bundestag members of the bundestag of the parliament there have been very quietly warning about the king being spending all this time in germany the very uncomfortable with him consolidating power from germany who's backing the king who are his allies well i guess. i mean rather what happened in the german parliament was not really surprising to anyone else because as you said the king staying most of the time in germany n. i think the key issue here is basically the king might have been if sizing his power you know under the german sovereignty saud there are 2 issues here if you want to call into it one is for the king to to bleach german
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sovereignty the other one is whether what it would a king has been doing in term of exercise exercise it is assessing his power on german soil whether he could become effective under the post-operative so i mean this could become sort of legal complications are i mean there's a lot of proof you know if you want to do so or for example the king has ratifying you know has side a number of official documents for example the royal guest said you know you can check when the stockmen were date if i'm sure that a lot of them were dated during which time the king stay in germany so does is really i mean this is how the german parliament would like to highlight that even while he is staying in germany again he's exercising his power saw i mean if it is not illegal at this point it is definitely undue sure and appropriate so i
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think i was told that the german parliament would continue to look into this even including the issue of duction and healing up up up dissident overseas whether that would be a kind of involving let me just bring in jamie let me just bring in jade had jade how do you justify the fact that your king is living in germany and ruling almost from in germany. as i said that when the constitution was amended it was amended for his majesty our current king to be able to serve the country more effectively i don't get into how wise american behavior affects of lives in germany or how does he do that. as i said that i don't get into the issue of why his majesty has to spend his majesty's time in germany but i look at how it's majesty is able to work and work effectively for the country the writers are going outside bankole do you think he's working effectively for the country from
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germany. i don't know enough detail to comment on that because of basically just have to sign some some some papers and. there was some law that that was delayed i remember but i cannot remember the detail here i think that information is it's too late not to comment on that part and you had some things being very animated there tell us what you were thinking well yeah i mean how could how how could you talk about in effectiveness when do you know the hip hop if they're working elsewhere i mean i just want to give you a small example that you know we have we have a culture of your search of a good hand of certain get present present asian the king has the l.a. disorder money for 3 or 4 years just because you stay outside the country for so long this is something really trivial but if you really want to look at it with something more serious how who can be how could you say that this is for the kings
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or convenience when the king operates with taxpayer money it has to be the people convenience not the key convenience oh my god seriously. i'd like to thank all our guests. parvin pong and jade donovan and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by missing out website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story and you can also join the conversation twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me and the entire team here in the life and. i.
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