for a transitional period of 18 months the question now remains whether or not the backers of both factions will abide by this agreement today given the fact that turkey and russia have been establishing their own military presence on the ground in libya ok mark with many thanks indeed. it is good to have you with us hello adrian figure here in doha the headlines that i was in syria libya's warring factions have agreed to what the u.n. calls a permanent cease fire deal was agreed in geneva the u.n. secretary general antonio so it's a fundamental step towards peace the u.n. is libya envoy says she has confidence in the deal will make sure the international community supports it. today it's a good day for the libyan people. at 11 15 am this morning here in the u.n.

headquarters in geneva the 2 libyan delegations to the 5 plus 5 joint military commission talks signed a complete countrywide and permanent cease fire agreement with immediate effect the heads of the 2 rival libyan military allegations the u.n. praised the deal and call for unity. and what i have addressed politicians in libya and have asked them to be one hand not to be polarized by factions and movements in order to achieve stability political and military stability in libya that's the only way to build the nation and to make sure security prevails we have had enough suffering enough division and enough bloodshed. we've succeeded in achieving what all libyans were looking forward to the feeling of belonging to a nation of peace and security we're very pleased with what we've achieved. spain's prime minister says that his nation may have $3000000.00 coronavirus cases that's 3

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some of the women who have become the driving force of the protests. took to al-jazeera. hello welcome to the stream i'm femi oke a with less than 2 weeks before the u.s. presidential election facebook is again in the spotlight over how it is tackling misinformation and hate speech on the spot for today we look at the efforts of one pressure group holding facebook to account of what the company itself is doing to clean house in the run up to election day if you're watching on the cheap you can send us your comments and questions from the life chat having part of today's conversation and you could waste tweet us put a straight. us democracy is at risk hold facebook to account that is the declaration of

a new group for social media experts criticizing the company's content moderation policies as the u.s. election approaches the collective of activists journalists and academics calls itself the real facebook oversight board here's what one member of the group said at its launch of ain't. we demand comprehensive action to ensure that race cannot be weaponized to undermine the vote and with that american democracy ours is an emergency intervention are evident mr zuckerberg and facebook employees. now approach their 9 minute of the 11th hour in this democratic crisis and the time for excuses and political deals is. facebook's official oversight board announced it will start accepting cases

today joining us to talk more about responsibilities of facebook during the elections in london cow cadwallader she's organizer of the real facebook oversight board and a journalist at the guardian and observe a newspaper this kate's clinic is assistant professor at st john's university law school i was researching facebook's own oversight effort she is in new york and d.p.i. at gosh director of digital platforms and democracy project at harvard's kennedy school he joins us from cambridge massachusetts and everybody we also invited facebook to join us and they didn't offer up a guess but they did copy and paste a statement from earlier on this month so i will show you some of the highlights of that statement during the sheva it was really good to see carol the real facebook oversight board of calling this moment and i merge and see what is the emergency. the emergency is that

a social media platform of which there is absolutely no. oversight or accountability is about to make absolutely critical decisions which are going to affect the outcome of the us election and also the chance we're a power and it's quite terrifying the amount of power that it has in this situation and how little it's done since 2016 when we know that it was used to facilitate and it's hacked on the us democracy by russia and. there are very many people who've come to get the experts who come together on the real place who they many of them are genuinely terrified about what's going to happen in the next few weeks and that facebook may be used to incite violence and in fact i say it may be used but we know that it is already being used

to incite violence undermine the election and to vote and you know that is something which i think the whole world news became attention to right in the moment that we got the other guests not able to fire on at to create the not. well carol it's absolutely right and this is why i love the real oversight boards work so much. let's let's look at the actual oversight board for a moment it looks at a narrow set of cases. you know has a very narrow set of opportunities it's not it's a brand it is an oversight board over the company and yet its actual oversight its actual 40 over the company is almost non as compared to the to. you that konami social and political impact of the company itself. and so.

i i think i think time has come for us to really fully. need to fire certainly facebook's. as as a company that is having that in fact and is not doing right by by democracy. i think we are getting. ok just a few hours before we went live today. this starting today facebook and facebook itself canards the board to independently independent review content decisions that this is the official facebook oversight board not the real oversight quote just so that we know. this is facebook's one the pressure quick so on and they basically tell you what you need to do how they can to handle a tape what do you make of this is is this progress that we're seeing right here. yeah so i kind of want to i was nodding before i would carolyn stand because they actually agree with the idea that the company sort of way too powerful and do not

have good leverage points and that there isn't an effective means of oversight i don't have any disagreement with that in fact i think like the real say or a group that like setting up like is going to have an impact then like i i i'm kind of of the opinion that we should throw like everything at the wall and see what sticks and in the world of trying to figure out how to manage these massive corporations and their their control and their governance over basic human rights. but i will say this which is that. it's kind of a fiction that dick just said it. i. like to say that he is a fan of the real over the real oversight board that like carol set out over the oversight board when the oversight board which is independent from facebook which is made up of an independent group of experts which is funded completely separately

and has a mandate to hear court like appeals from users and how does actual purchase although narrow over the ability of facebook to make its policy decisions like that it doesn't have like impact like the real oversight board that carol set up has p.r. impact but that's the only thing that it has and that's no better than what we've had already let me just bring in here i don't rush. to. one. and then who alan he's one of the board members from the official facebook oversight board. i hope i'm not going to say things me that i didn't say that it doesn't have no impact but it no impact but rather that it has very limited in. very limited impact as compared to the tremendous economic political and what it was like for me was limited to me doesn't you know is it more 6 or less limited

than like what the oversight board. yeah i don't even know what that even means are you going to take down 50 percent more tweets all 20 percent what does that even mean to fiat as a user on the facebook wall what does little to mean i can make it almost like social media check to monetize a bit of it well what can you clarify i see that i hear the pushback but i don't understand what it means yeah. well kate mentioned that heroes. charles real oversight board is it is or isn't. as a p.r. . here i am i think that actual oversight board is actually if you are at it yes it has a charter yes it's financially independent yes they have a process and yes i think that it's been set up in a way that it actually does not really well the company accountable you know you

know considerable way and and to be a little bit more specific here facebook is a near thing as a virtual monopoly it has a tremendous market power in social media it's that it's the dominant player through facebook and instagram and all that other applications. and there's a huge amount of economic activity that goes through facebook and that narrow off already that or has over a certain pieces of content that that border has capacity to to take upon itself to review and which facebook allows the board to review. is just going to result in not that much impact when we think about the vast majority of. content issues that we have on the platform today on the company's platforms today as well as it's economic. it's how can i get. this

idea that it's critical and you know i hope that it can have. issues around which piece of content came back up again but you didn't and this is this new green cool if the now did you mean call it don't try to remember it's not that it's a supremes rule all of usenet is happening. i think but no net net the people who own the real facebook i've decided on the shoulder and also joined and i think i really do you question how independent at the moment and i. i know that there are you know it really feels. very glad to them but how did it how did i how can i bring in a distrust to your point because there's a gallon rush butter i know you know and his word in the passing he's been the editor of the guardian. former editor in chief of the guardian newspaper. he was

asked this question how independent can you actually be and this is what he does have a lot of men there were quite a long face book people on the zune call no no there aren't. no none of us. and we haven't as a board met anybody from facebook and i think we're very conscious that we don't work race but we're we are an independent. oversight board and now do you know i'm whether somewhere down the road we might want to have a dialogue with facebook but at the moment. facebook. are simply not in the room. so i think what i was facing saying is that we don't work for facebook we are independent people that have a look at some of these independent board members who are cowards one no point in this they want to move on yeah i know it's

a really great point and you know and of course you know you know from our new figure and so many of those people are you know like real intellectuals huge reputations and of course they are independent but the thing you back to the reason is that we have seen in facebook's actions towards us as a group and what what they have tried to do in terms of trying to kill the project before it even started in terms of these different spoiler moves that it's made in terms of in fact even getting our website paid you know the internet these are moves which have been made by facebook and we even when i sent inquiries to face the oversight board i did face the executives. so it's definitely a relationship there and that's not as i say it's not the cost of their actions on any of the men that you know as i say are all really individuals in their own right

but this is the structure which has been paid all set established by facebook with its terms of reference that is set by base that charter by facebook i really hope that this rebel and so does this body that face because that's and i hope that we help my giving them leverage and support in that way and i think they have to i really do think that they need to go wrote let me push on a little bit because people what i said in the commenting so look as soon as they can i put this to you well other country have their own oversight board. as you know i'm not one for having one there's one oversight board just like there is why and like set of community standards and policies for all of facebook we don't have a balkanized internet and terms of like these platforms the reason they comply individually with laws within countries and they do that they're geo blocking so for example holocaust denial is illegal or sorry holocaust denial is illegal in

france and germany and so they like they will go lock certain types like speech in france and germany but it's legal in the united states and so they don't do it there. so there's not this isn't this isn't about geography it's but i just wanted to say something really quick because i think that like we're there's just there's just small amount of like i know that a 30 minute talk on live t.v. is never the best place to really like break bread and like make make like kind of like inroads on things but i do want to say that like everything that has been said so far by the other guests i agree with i just don't think that what there is yet is like a reason to be skeptical of the actual oversight board which is its own independent organization to carol's point i think it could take up the mantle that she kind of is like pushing for or the ground is pushing for i think that those that i possibility use i just don't think it has to come at the cost of that tool

necessarily like. my kind of just like dragging it all over the media like there's still a chance that the overstay. could do something really significant and i don't think it cost us a lot to put some hope in the town let me just say lighten everybody because. in a great position cause they already know what the real facebook oversight who are asking for but here in a tweet very easy for everyone to access the demands facebook doesn't force its own policy banning all paid advertising that mentions presidential election results. about presidential election results as untrue and premature until one candidate is the president elect and the other candidate concedes just so that everybody here is on the same page about what it is that you are pushing to have done carol may i've put one more you tube comment to you so that we're sharing our conversation without audience i'm sure you've heard this before simone smith says facebook is free

speech if you control facebook you have lost your freedom carol. greta i mean. i should get somebody else through that when i mean the idea that your quitting 3 speech you're investing one man one billionaire mark zuckerberg with the power to start decreasing your home there is more than 3000000000 people across the globe who use facebook products i mean if that's your idea of free speech that's an unknown algorithm we've got no idea how it works and a certain messages and doesn't amplify other ones one of the things we see and find it's been a white supremacist we've got no idea how that works or what's going on inside the company and i that's not free speech that's you know that's that artificially

enhanced and amplified and that's just one of the many issues going on but i mean can i just come back on something which is the thing that kate said about not be cynical about the oversight board and you know i really do wish them all the very best of luck and i hope also that those who don't come yet but i think it's certainly wrong not to be cynical or facebook now as a journalist who's been reporting on these companies for 4 years you have had i have had e.c. in a report in which they find facebook $100000000.00 they say that facebook like to journalist is one of your lists who is like you but face the last week when are we launched launched the real facebook oversight board i had columns man coming out on twitter to troll me personally once using to pressing wineries about why our state our website had been taken down he came out to troll me about

cambridge only 6 which is the story i wrote and which facebook was fined $5000000000.00 for using people. and corporate reaction was to. go out on twitter and attack me personally now i now read and sexily and shrug and it makes me really wonder what is going on inside what. i'm what its relationship is with the current white house guess i didn't mention the face but wouldn't send a guest to sit alongside you but they did send a copy and paste it statement it did have a spelling error in it so they see the spelling i it's not me it's facebook alright so this is what they said they have done a very easy for the us election so between march and september of this year they've removed more than 120000 pieces of facebook and instagram content in the u.s.

they've displayed warnings they've rejected missions before they could run about 2200000 times they've removed it announce certain networks and coordinated in authentic. they said they've done a lot we also wanted to bring a research record shot and see who was looking at these all the things that facebook of everyday reacted really well shalen has a but let's have a listen to. facebook is going in some things way in the run up to the 2020 alexion they put a lot of friction around the false information story that was in the new york post about joe biden and they also have finally removed the q. an armed groups although some myself included would say that came a little too late to be deeply effective what we still worry about or what i still worry about is that there is not going to be swift and decisive action on claims that we know will be coming from the president and his allies about a contested election and calls to violence at the polls or afterwards facebook is

still paying too much consideration to the political outcomes of their decisions instead of thinking about what is the right decision with democracy as the goal post. this is a lot for a social media platform to handle i am wondering to hand is it even possible what the ask is what the expectation is because facebook is so huge is it actually possible for them to act responsibly for everybody who's using this platform. it's totally possible and let's be clear there are many apps facebook and a lot of them are aligned you know around its privacy practices around its digital advertising practice it is around its algorithmic practices and carol through the real oversight board has made a lot of those demands or for policy suggestions clear as as have i and many others in various formats including when i worked at facebook. and so on

so i think that there are i think that the terms are very clear it's just a matter of asking the question do these demands align with facebook's business model. and let's be clear again this is a business model going has historic profit margins. it's a business model that serves an entire financial infrastructure sitting behind facebook of shareholders investors and so calm valley that executive order facebook and its executives in themselves and the company is going to do whatever it can to protect that business model even if it means setting up an oversight board that is facially independent. and then composed of 3rd parties 3rd party researchers and scholars to give the impression to the public around the world that yes there is oversight of facebook by these 40 independent individuals

or 20 whatever whatever the number might be and when in fact there isn't this is that they bring this is the oversight board i mean come on this board is going to be looking at a few pieces of content new content. so doesn't that if i were to fiat and what we've had this very robust conversation about oversight pulled and how much oversight you were doing on law and on. chain of conversation that's watching all of you guessed there's a lot of mistrust about facebook in the chat and i think probably because they've heard mark zuckerberg say things like this this is a congressional us hearing back in october of last year and he's talking about about sabes about lies online and the action that he would take that have a look so you won't take down lies or you will take down lives i mean that's just a pretty simple yes or now on this woman in my talk about spin i'm talking about actual or yes there are some screens in

a democracy and i believe that people should be able to see for themselves what politicians that they may or may not vote for or do you really want take it out there for themselves so you want to you may flag that it's wrong but you want to take it down congresswoman. it depends on the context that it shows up organic post. so i guess i'm kind of squirming listening to that because it is a it's a lie which is a lie why not just say yes carol. because mark clattenburg has no moral compass me now is fundamentally the problem. i mean you know you started out i mean you know at one point we you know so many people loved it was like you know it was the word you know in your friends in your family and then you know then he was found to be still iterated gender studies in my own are you know that's what

a united nations report said is that it played to determining role in the genocide in mind. and you know what i consequence was the face of that absolutely nothing guests and you know maines at the company after that. you know guess this i'm saying well this is. an island has crossed the word so many countries where you us. and each religion. many many you can defy aren't. i and i'm basically going to say that this conversation is got so much more energy in it and much more time as kate pointed out about 15 minutes ago now tech says maybe we should just suspend facebook during election to avoid confusion and the spread of lies by individuals thank you guess what a robust conversation. we shall see the election is just 2 weeks away thank you for

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