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santiago. the constitution remember it was written under the pinochet dictatorship and it does make it very difficult for reforms to be to be made in a way that would not be unconstitutional so it's been a kind of a long and tough and very very difficult process over the last 30 years since the return to democracy and chileans are saying it's time to say enough and start from scratch security forces in iraq have farms tear gas of protesters trying to get into baghdad's fortified green zone the demonstrations against corruption and unemployment 1st began a year ago france has registered a record of new daily infections with more than 52000 confirmed cases and sunday several other european countries including italy and spain are now imposing stricter measures as infection rates sore. cameroon's blaming a massacre at a school and separatist on groups witnesses say the attackers used guns and
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machetes and victims it happened in the city of kumba in an english speaking region at least 8 children were killed and several others were wounded thailand's parliament will hold a special session on monday to try to find a way around the current political crisis there and mass protests demanding prime minister prior to shun or chose resignation been taking place in bangkok. 7 suspects have been detained after the suspected hijacking of an oil tanker in the english channel u.k. special forces were involved in the incident on board the liberian registered navi andromeda its crew had reported stowaways who had made verbal threats the tanker was all route from lagos in nigeria to an oil refinery in southampton when it halted off the isle of wight and those are the headlines the news continues on al-jazeera after upfront goodbye. as protests valorous continue calling for the resignation of president.
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some of the women who have become a driving force of the protests. al-jazeera. welcome back to front i'm richelle carey today i'll talk to the journalist who was suspended from the u.s. sports network e.s.p.n. for her outspoken political views including calling donald trump a white supremacist i'll ask her how she feels now that the u.s. president has refused on live television to condemn white supremacy this week's headliner jamail hill. jamelle hill thank you so much for joining me on front i'm going to take you back to 2017 right you were at the center of a national firestorm because you tweeted that donald trump the president of the
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united states was a white supremacist right so white house press secretary said you should be fired your employer a.s.b. and rebuke you you did not back down you will even further you eventually police tweeted rather some political things about a very popular owner of an american football team at that point and set it up and they suspended you what was that lake that you know you're getting all of these attacks from the president himself from the white house what was that like it was a little crazy because i'll be totally honest i thought that donald trump was a white supremacist was essentially telling you what it was like i thought we kind of all agree that this was the case particularly after charlottesville and he made the remark about very fine people being on both sides equating white supremacist to people fighting against white supremacy and racism and so believe it or not i
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actually didn't expect to get in trouble for that at all and i think maybe sometimes ignorance is bliss had i thought about what might be the possible ramifications i may not have tweeted it but. you know nevertheless i'm glad that i did. not please the fact that i was right just just a few weeks ago in the 1st presidential debate donald trump walked away from the opportunity the challenge to to tell white supremacists to back down he did not so since this time in these last 3 years the right many other people that have called president on a trump a white supremacist do you feel validated in some way i actually don't i have the opposite feeling i feel frankly very sad about this and kind of heartbroken because i don't want to be right about this i wish i was that i wish that what i said that a few years you know now we're looking in hindsight that in 2020 we'd be saying like look how wrong that prediction was look how wrong you were and you were just the attack this man and he turned out to be everything different from what you say
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it but unfortunately he's only prove to me more right every single day and more people have seen it i mean america does not deserve to have a white supremacy as president they don't mean we don't i mean i live in this country too i have to live under his authority so no i don't feel validation at all i feel just sad and heartbroken as i said and it's unfortunate that the american people are put in this position to have to be subjected to this kind of language that he uses on a on a frequent basis and to know that we have a president that struggles struggles to denounce something as basic and as awful and evil as white supremacy do you find it ironic that this white house attack you for your use of words when this is a white house that has called people animals they have told 3 american congress women of color to go back to where they came from how do you reconcile the fact that they're mad a jew about words you use but they use really harsh rhetoric against people all the
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time unfortunately with this administration this is just how they operate this is how they do business is that they want to police and cancel it. but you know this but they're forever lecturing people about the awfulness of cancel culture and about how they speak to each other to refer to vice presidential nominee kaamelott harris as a monster or not even a monster this monster as if she's a dehumanize thing to call maxine waters the congresswoman to question her i.q. it seems that i with women of color he keeps coming back to certain trucks that are racist and unacceptable and it exposes further just how he really feels about people i mean if you saying this about women who are in a position of authority and leadership what is he saying about the average black person that he comes in contact with if there is one it just is a scary notion to contemplate censure left and its aims that many
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of the on air talent are much more outspoken and the social media around on air saying things that are similar to what you said do is that correct i mean are we right that it seems that the environment has changed there and that a s.p.n. is is not just sticking to sports as some people say you know i think your assessment is accurate i mean they're talking about social justice issues frequently if not you know frequently may not even be the word i think is probably daily and when you're in sports is almost your job to distract people from some of the things that are happening in current events and some of the atrocities and going through a pandemic like it's your job to provide a sense of relief to the audience that is watching you but it's hard for you to manage because there were days certainly after donald trump was elected and after charlottesville now after a number of other incidents where i went in to work and i just didn't feel like talking about was that when the a.f.c. east like i just didn't care because i have being subjected to all these other
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things that are happening i mean yes i'm a journalist yes i work at e.s.p.n. but i'm also a black woman in america and that is coming before all of those other things and so i'm just happy that. my colleagues are able to discuss these issues openly hopefully without fear of retribution or being you know policed internally is there the difference that there needs to be more diversity in the newsroom so that you feel like you can say what you need to say without fear of retribution without being accused of having a bias because of your race i think e.s.p.n. has the same blind spot in issues that a lot of media outlets have still overwhelmingly white still a lot of people making the content decisions are white and because of that there is a lack of sensibility that is there's that just. too so that there is. you know i couldn't help but notice that a lot of these companies were putting out these very flowery print statements about racial inclusion and suddenly saying black clouds matter and they considered it occurs where 4 years ago that's all great that's good however what is your
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organizational chart look like if you're organizational chart does not reflect those 3 statements you are putting out that you've got some work to do and hopefully this moment has made a lot of these decision makers and corporations understand that they have got to get serious about disrupting dismantling and changing the inside of their organization let me ask you about that specifically what you're talking about that now you know it's fine to have all these messages the social justice messages it all the leaks not just the n.b.a. we're going to come back to the n.b.a. but all the links including the n.f.l. but the n.f.l. is also the same league where collin caprona who was formerly a star quarterback does not have a job has not had a job since 2016 when he chose to kneel during the national anthem as a protest against racial injustice and police for talent how do you reconcile the fact that the n.f.l. now you know kind of gives a green light to their players to talk about social justice but collin kaplan
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extols doesn't have a job is that it is a type of performative activism definitely and you can't reconcile it because no matter what they do no matter what they say they will not. be able to atone for that injustice as long as he doesn't have a job in the n.f.l. and i doubt he ever gets one they won't be able to be taken seriously at least not by me i can't speak for everybody obviously but i consider what they're doing to be formative as you said they're doing this because this is where the country's sensibilities are the only thing that change between now and last n.f.l. season is that public opinion shifted what changed was george floyd what changed was a modern artery which was briana taylor and that they were no longer able to escape what was happening in this country and the players were demanding to be heard but calmly kept it was their glowing example about what can happen to you when you speak out a little too much when you make too many people a little bit too uncomfortable and it's not just gonna happen either that they have
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to it's own for if you're putting out these statements about black lives matter and naturalistic what's happening inside your organization right now we have a situation where there are 2 black general managers in the n.f.l. they do not have a majority black owner and they've never had one they have one black team president 1st one in n.f.l. history they have 3 black coaches these are embarrassing statistics you can't talk about white supremacy or black labs matter when they don't even matter in your own league so as far as i'm concerned all of what the n.f.l. is doing wow i guess it's well intentioned it's also something i can't take very seriously because their actions have spoken way too loud for me to actually pay attention to their words ok let's talk about the election joe biden as the democratic nominee obviously you had some critique some criticisms of him during the democratic primary issue said that at least some of his support was rooted in this is a quote fear that white folks won't vote for anyone else on that stage of course
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a reference to the fact that there are an extremely diverse array of democratic candidates and you're also critical of the 1904 crime bill of which he played a large part in which and carson rated. millions of african americans he won the democratic nomination so how do you reconcile those criticisms you had with you now supporting him so the reason i thought i think the primary is the appropriate time where you bring up all the issues you have with any potential presidential nominee but joe biden was able to get to the front of the line because we also have to remember that a lot of people especially a lot of black people were very pragmatic voters despite the fact that they keep getting painted as liberals it meant something to them that joe biden was 2nd in command to the 1st black president that he was there at the service of the 1st black president and i think i underestimated what that meant particularly to older black people who are such a reliable voting bloc in the democratic senator let me jump in just
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a 2nd because i want to get to that reliable voting bloc i mean interrupt you but i think that's key because african-americans are reliable voting block does the democratic party go with them more oh no question about it because let me supporting job i'm it joe biden is not my. you know completely blind support of the democratic party as a whole i mean i think they have done a huge disservice to black voters they're still doing a huge disservice to black voters this is not something that is past tense however agenda items that are specific for black america that will help black america will be respectful and genuinely heard which joe biden and camila hare's i really do believe that and so you know once the primary has and me bringing up joe biden with the crime bill by the way that was in relationship to how i felt like it was really unfair that comolli hairs was somehow being made the face of mass incarceration by
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a lot of people in our community when they do the road the crime bill is right next door on the same state and that getting that same smoke and to your point yes she's a former prosecutor she has been criticized by many on the left for being not too. on police and and too tough on some defendants do you agree with that criticism and i get your point you're comparing and contrasting it to the way she got criticism for for her record which is fair but compared to the type of criticism that joe biden got you know i will say there's a i think it's fair to look at her record the best word that i would come up with it is that i think she had some opportunities that she took advantage of while being eternity attorney general and certainly by being a prosecutor and there were some missed moments for sure but this idea that common here is single handedly locked up every black managerial is just wrong and it's been debunked many times and i just find it interesting that when she was debating against mike pence that he wanted to point out her record. incarcerating black man when he moments before that said that there was no systemic racism in the criminal
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justice system so which one is it is it only systemic racism when is a black woman that just so happens to be at that point i think she was the 1st attorney general in the 1st black attorney general in california history so you use it conveniently for that but not you know when you actually have to address this issue within your own administration of talk about common law that that's going to be our final note specifically a black woman being on the ticket just what do you think that that imagery means for for black boys and girls and white boys and girls i think is really significant but i focus for the moment on black women because i am a black. i think what's significant about it especially for is that without ever having had a common a conversational couple of years i've been fortunate enough to have a few that there is that you are you know what she went through to get there you know what that was like and more importantly what i liked about seeing her on this
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ticket and why significant for me is that she makes no apologies for seizing her power and a lot of time women but in particular black women we are put in a position where we have to. it saving our ambition defend seizing our power and she has always carried herself in a way that she's not going to apologize for being great you know when that ideas surface that she wouldn't be the vice presidential nominee because she was too ambitious it was really a conversation that had such broad implications it's something that women face all the time where our ambition is used against us where it's not the case for men and their ambition is highlighted is considered to be a celebrate tillery trait so it's just significant to see her there for what it means that just for black women not just what it means you know for multicultural women period now just what it means for historically black colleges and she's a proud graduate of howard but i think in bodies much like it will barack obama the
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best of what this nation can be elected to said about multicultural we absolutely would be remiss if we did not acknowledge that her mother was an indian american you're absolutely right and that's going to be the final blow chameli hill thank you for joining us here on out front always a pleasure thank you really appreciate it and if you. american voters are less than 2 weeks away from what could be the most important election of their lives it's a decision that will profoundly alter not only life in the u.s. but also the lives of those around the world for palestinians especially there is hope that if trump loses a biden ministration would reopen the door to a pathway to peace or at least negotiations but is really that different from trump when it comes to the israeli palestinian conflict and does it even matter who is in the white house joining me to debate this are ellen goldenberg foreign policy and defense analyst and former chief of staff to the special envoy for israeli
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palestinian negotiations at the u.s. state department where he khalidi edwards a professor of modern arab studies at columbia university he was also an advisor to the palestinian. into the major and washington arab israeli peace negotiations in the 1990 s. thank you both for joining me here in the arena appreciate it a lot i mean a start with you so just the other week the palestinian prime minister hama to tie it when talking about the upcoming u.s. elections that if things are going to change in the united states i think this will reflect itself directly on the palestinian israeli relationship and it will reflect itself also on the bilateral palestinian american relationship lodge you think the prime minister is right what he thinks actually change well i think yes you know maybe not as much as some people would like but i think you're going to see a pretty significant change and then the trumpet ministration has really just entirely torn down the relationship with the palestinians they have basically since
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the u.s. decided to move the embassy to jerusalem there really hasn't been a relationship between the prostitutes already in the united states and so i think we can expect to see that biden's talked about you know reopening the p.l.o. mission in washington reopening the u.s. consulate in jerusalem that really acts as a as a embassy to the palestinians restarting assistance to unroot restarting assistance the palestinians i think all of those are included moments on where things have been for the past 4 years or do you agree or think it will be a mercy to not have to deal with the trial but strange for. orse united states and also the palestinians of the punitive indicative nasty narrow minded tactics of that administration visit the palestinians reap the reached a new low and those things will undoubtedly change as as as is just described but i think that looking for fundamental change in the american approach is something that we're going to continue to have to do even after if the vice president biden
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is elected united states is going to have to completely change a lot of basic things if we're going to move towards peace and up towards another meaningless process you have to have somebody say occupation is illegal it has to be ended unconditionally you have to have somebody saying settlements are illegal and they will have to be removed you have to have somebody saying the palestinians have an absolute right to self-determination irrespective of restrictive conditions that israel might want to impose so long can you see the biden administration if there were one to do any of those types of things i mean is it really fair for anyone to label him that honest broker because specifically i mean he has said that he will not move the embassy back to tell of even though he thought it was a bad movie called it for of lists and shortsighted he is a self-proclaimed zionist he has called the u.s. israeli relationship ironclad and he's completely ruled out the possibility of withdrawing any type of aid from israel to get them to change anything that they do
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so the types of things that rashid is talking about is a reason to think that by the ministration would entertain any of the things he just said i don't know i don't speak for them i would say though the. my take is look i mean the u.s. has had a long strong relationship with israel and i don't think you expect them to fundamentally change i'm not sure that the u.s. role in the peace process ever been one of even broker and i'm not sure that's exactly what even the palestinian leadership wants what the palestinian leadership wants as an effective broker and ideas that the u.s. relationship with israel helps to be an effective broker now the reality is that's failed in the. yes and just rather than going back into a meaningless process again which i would actually advocate against and i don't think that the israeli leadership as it is right now is ready for it i don't think the palestinian leadership and as ready as it is right now so instead i would argue for trying to actually do meaningful substantive things on the ground that include freedom prosperity and security for everyone and that doesn't mean taking
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a hard line on settlements and trying to discourage settlements it means there are a lot of things you can do it is also things the palestinians need to do in terms of their own governance in terms of trying to get a unified government again in elections and more responsive government so there's so much that can be focused on not just quote unquote economic peace which has been tried before the real steps on the ground short of just rushing everybody back into a negotiation that i think would be much more constructive or say let's talk about the settlements a little bit more for a moment even in the midst of this coronavirus pandemic israel has continued to approve new settlements and yes this month the israeli government actually gave the green light to the construction of $2500.00 new housing units what are your thoughts i say were skeptical to think that the by demonstration would do anything about that well i think i think you have to have a complete not only change in rhetoric where settlements are described as illegal and where occupation is described as a un
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a mitigating evil that has to be ended i think you have to have it change in implementation are you going to have to have some kind of sanctions you have that some kind of pressure you have to tell the israelis american money cannot be used to build settlements united states will protect you in the security council if you do this that the other and i hope that an american would do this these are things that the american people want the building of settlements is something that takes place a large with american money not government money but money that's tax free the bottom astrachan could have the treasury stop people who are building settlements from getting american tax free dollars so that where that is that sanctions on the postings no i think that in fact the pie. things are being sanctioned by the u.s. government by it's a lot way. they're they're led to be stolen and it's really only supplements built in their place with american taxpayer dollars so that's an example of what i would hope the kind of thing that happened i really think that there are things that are that is possible to say in the american public space that you couldn't say 10 years ago. and i think that the by demonstration could i don't know that it will and i
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think what happened with the platform is an indication of the limits on their thinking there are things that they could do which i would hope they will i'm not sure that they will ok so we've had this discussion about what could change or will or won't change be it a by the ministration or a trump administration but at the end of the day does it really matter aren't there just entrenched issues that are more about us and stick to shins regardless of who actually ends up in the white house a lot of your thoughts on that i mean i think what matters more is that there is entrenched israeli and palestinian institutions and views yes the u.s. has a role to play and we have traditionally been you know the central mediator and actually i would argue that our position has traditionally been to come in and just elbow everybody else out write me like that's kind of what we do and rather than doing that i think we need to be part of a process and i think we do need to be more inclusive and bring in other international actors and other players who have an interest in the role and so i
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think we can do all of that but we also have you know 2 leaders and p.b. and it's and you and mahmoud abbas were both incredibly risk averse you don't trust or like each other and all who are going to work together you have an israeli politics that is moving increasingly to the rate and has been stuck in like 4 separate elections over the past 2 years or 3 or 4 at least count you have palestinian politics that is entirely divided i'm hasn't had an election in 15 years we fought them os so i think there are you have societies that are moving in opposite directions and increasingly don't even track with each other so so look there are definitely problems in american policy. in things that the u.s. needs to fix and do better let's also be clear they're only the biggest problems and both right now are with you know leadership in israel and the leadership in palestine those are also huge problems so you need to kind of frankly need new leadership in our 3 sides if we're going to have any chance of making any progress and so was she what about that a lot of making the point that he thinks there needs to be new leadership on pretty
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much all sides bit but the question remains if you can move all these pieces and do you think the issue is bigger then jess that because some of these things are deeply systemic and entrenched in these institutions and all in all 3 groups you know i think that's a that's a good point i think that certainly in the united states there are a set of attitudes among the foreign policy professionals who pay no attention to poverty. and who have a set of assumptions some of which i think are false are and which are part of the problem. as our own david miller said the united states has acted as israel's lawyer i think that's a problem i think that responding to a certain very vocal set of attitudes in american public opinion which no longer i think represent what many americans feel about israel and the palestinians as well as the united states to basically disqualify itself from i think it's at the and i certainly agree that there's a need for change leadership house things i mean these people have been there as as
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as john said since of the the 2006 election. because of the dire nature of the current situation the policies are being forced to finally do the palestinian factions that dominate the government and obama and the instruction are being forced to do what they should have long ago done which is trying to come up with a come visit to reunify the past in movement and figure out what their started years i've thought the palestinian leadership or the lack of policy lack of strategic vision among palestinian leadership for that as far as israel is concerned. yes they obviously need new leadership and sooner or later they're going to get it i would guess that a change in the united states but it might precipitate that but it might not ok well it all remains to be seen goldberg thank you 'd very much for this discussion and that is our show up probably back next week.
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in countries like mine people have been killed. we in the united states have privatized the ultimate public function look this was a deal with saudi arabia things were done differently saudis other arabs when they came to britain to be all to help the past bombs deals you know you will rumsfeld this meeting saddam isn't that interesting. shadow on al-jazeera
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