him to lose but we did them when he said argentina and chile have taken the initiative because if something is not done soon it will be all of humanity that will be damaged we ask the countries that are considering vetoing this proposal not to do so because we need this humanity needs is. his plea for the rational use of marine resources is backed by all the best available science which in the past has been the guiding light for the 26 commission members but for some countries that may not be enough to see in you an al-jazeera sent the i will. it's good to have you with us hello adrian for they can hear the headlines on al-jazeera a strong earthquake in the achaean see a shaken turkey and greece at least 14 people are known to have died a magnitude 7 quake collapsed buildings and cause to see

a surge which flooded streets of syria same casilla reports from istanbul. this was a very strong one it was felt by it was felt in the nearby thirty's even in istanbul also greek island somewhere. it was one of the places that was affected by the earthquake there was a partial tsunami even in the city's fire district of israel there was a partial tsunami and the governor's office about it was contained one 3rd of the citizen was injured of course since it's a course the city the harbor city there is the risk for flood and tsunami or always that's but according to the offices it was a it was a small risk and it is out of question right now 2 men have been sentenced to 18 years in prison for their role in the westgate shopping center attack in kenya as capital nairobi at least 67 people were killed in the 4 day siege and 2013 but 2 were convicted earlier this month for helping al shabaab fighters vigils support

held across france to honor 3 people killed in an attack in may some say the suspect is in custody investigators say he's from tunisia arrived in europe last month tens of thousands of rallied in several nations against the french president's remarks on islam rallies continued in pakistan bangladesh and palestine as about jobs army is said to be closing in on the key town of sure so going back separatist leaders that are very troops of advanced to within 5 kilometers that is urging people to help resist the attack health ministers from across the e.u. have stressed the importance of a coordinated response to covert 19 they've agreed to fund the transfer of covert patients across borders there's the headlines more news from here on out is erupt after inside story next.

back to lock down more countries impose news shutdowns as. warnings things may get even with these. this is inside story. hello welcome to the program. europe is once again of the epicenter of the global pandemic that so far more than 44000000 infections and over a 1000000 deaths well why the region is struggling with rising numbers of

infections while deaths from cova 19 rose by 32 percent last week. well france has imposed a month long lockdown that went into effect at midnight on thursday for the 2nd time this year people are living under tough restrictions president eman well mark ron says the measures will help reduce infections from about 58000 today to 5000 according to the john hopkins university friends has reported more than a 1000000 cases and over 36000 deaths across the border people in germany are also preparing for a bomb for restrictions from monday chancellor angela merkel was once praised for her handling of the pandemic but she is now warning that health authorities have lost control of skyrocketing new infections despite a contact tracing program and men data required on teens authorities say they are

unable to identify where 75 percent of new infections are coming from the 2nd wave in europe is rapidly outpacing the original outbreak earlier this year this time the region looks better prepared vanderlei in the e.u. chief has unveiled plans to transfer covert patients from hard hit member states to neighbors with spare hospital beds the commission announced tonight that we are making 220000000 euros a vailable to finance a safe cross border transfer of patients where it is need it and for that their good use of the money requires good information in exchange. britain has once again decided to go its own way in how it handles the pandemic prime minister boys johnson is resisting following germany and france in ordering a 2nd lockdown it's

a decision that's led to criticism of the government especially since the u.k. has the largest number of corn about its debts in europe that's more than 46000 instead it's imposed local lockdowns despite any new studies showing cases in england are doubling every 9 days the u.s. would just heard nearly 90 a 1000 you know infections on thursday is the highest number of daily cases since the start of the pandemic the virus is spreading rapidly in the western half of the country affecting every swing state crucial to the next week's presidential election at least 228000 deaths have been linked to the virus president donald trump who was hospitalized earlier this month with covert 19 continues to play down the threat in asia india is struggling with the largest number of infections more than 8000000 cases and over 121000 deaths have been recorded health

authorities believe the actual numbers may be higher some experts estimate at least 130000000 people may be impacted. joining me now our guest in milan dr. chikane president elect of the european society of intensive care medicine and head of intensive care medicine at humanities research hospital in boston matthew fox infectious disease it biddy we are just and professor of geology at boston university school of public health and in robert as a dealer brahimi director of the medical biotechnology laboratory med biotech and director of the bio on of our research center a warm welcome to you or mauricio german chancellor angela merkel said that this winter will be hard for long difficult months are you bracing for

a surge in the cases of the people that will be a better to the intensive care units in the coming weeks. and yes i think we are and actually we've been bracing for a while because many of the 1st wave there was a curing the fairest months of the day year before dishonor and imagery to work on trees in europe experience there and accumulate quite somber work around virus cases we were actually never able to or every single transmission of cases in the community so indeed the beige and they arrived leaving the summary for not even if not we've the numbers are going to say now. unfortunately now the number that we're seeing in your very high tick and india the arche that are big asian of the virus as reached explanation. yet in many countries or i would say that we already see this say or do not in the recent weeks that some of the countries the live

experience and the 1st wave that we've seen any surely a lot of patients coming to the office the door wave and mind and severe symptoms and then a few days or weeks later we started to see their eyes or skin intensive care cases and you know i would say that our colleagues in intensive care or us europe in many countries are already seeing the serger and where at least you know cuban see rates at and sometimes in the range of 50 percent like in belgium or in france now so i would say the surgery is already here all right and we have to try to control the spread all the virus as much as possible in the community that to avoid it and any and bigger difficulty not one of their systems matthew matthew at the same pattern in the u.s. to new highs a daily basis plus more than $1000000.00 infections is the start of the pun demick but still you get the impression of that the government is not related and moving forward 2 words more restrictions like the ones we are seeing in europe. this

exactly right the patterns that we're seeing here in the united states are very similar to the patterns that you're seeing in europe except with the difference that they're quite regional so in parts of the country we've already seen the spike already intensify where is in the northeast where i am it's just starting to begin but absolutely we are we are not taking the actions that we need to be taking in order to stave this increase in the spread and so we're going to you're seeing some states starting to go to more intensive mitigation measures measures but we're not going towards the full lock downs that we saw in april so we really do need to be starting to take more concrete action to to stave off a really terrible winter as the into things happening simultaneously in morocco infection is increasing and mortality rate is also spiking we expect in the government to reinstate the same measures taken about a few months ago. well i don't know if the government would be taken this decision

but i think the station of morocco is in between your open the us in morocco we see what's happening in morocco and compare it to what's happening in europe but i think came to us the decision to do something it's political decision but in morocco we are thinking what to do and i think that's that may think that's what everybody is thinking about but we are almost like 2 weeks behind europe so i think if there is something to be taken as a decision it has to be right now i think is the right time to do it because we are seargent the number of infected people are certain and the 2nd thing is basically we are having more and more death and when we see the projection of for washington university to see that in morocco if we don't do anything by december 1st i think that's going to be exponentially increasing and we might have a big problem a lot of our resources the start of the pandemic the debate has been or divided

self should we listen more to experts or more to politicians now ultimately is politicians will have the upper hand and they are now bracing for tougher restrictions do you think that the lock down is the efficient way given what is happening in iowa in terms of infections. an important thing could during the fairest way that these things in europe count trees that there were foster in there 'd reacting to the advice of scientists think the missions where those countries that minimize their eyes of sick patients and he surely and they were also able to receive mcdavid these areas i think this community has and scientists and i can speak for 'd many colleagues across europe we've been demanding and it's true there are measures when we saw the cases started to increase and that the bias of the degrees a bit more explanation does virus as a unique characteristic in the same stent that it's not a problem although we want to see more sick patient the days when

a number of patients start to more to buy and that to give an example of the r.t. as a tool we know that in 57 days we would see them and that the whole of patients and their bikes and those they don't that that will again these numbers can really put any earth care system on their knees importantly we're not curing just patients we want to care for or care patients in our off beat or as in our insecure systems if we will roll up our care system and just with patients we start to compete for resources and some of it is to care for other patients or to be grossing compared to to care for coheed so our advice to government is to be fast and to think strange and measures i don't think there is a fixed recipe and clearly we cannot just leave bare mckay with people down there at the beauty but certainly strange and measures career fuels lockdowns that probably become necessary at some point in different forms when the spread of the

bias in the community is out of control and we see that this plane actually it could bring that all of brought us to our roles but there was also remember that by the nature of think a bishop would be or then when you start to get symptoms everything that you do today is about record of measure leavening bucklin or if your system but 'd at least 2 weeks ago when the situation. he's already out of control we can see this is significant now they're ok something to our eyes he was looking into me taking out matthew the optics are quite different in the united states of america because we are in the midst of an unprecedented bitter presidential race dominated by a polarizing issue and you have a president who continues to discredit the expert. the medical community i'm lucky to see the handling of the 900. 11 but the 2nd well i think we don't yet know that obviously partly that's going to depend on who wins the election but i think it you know we know what clearly what it is that we

need to do we have the tools available to us to both mitigate the spread of reduce the amount of mortality without needing to necessarily go to a full lockdown i'm hopeful that we don't end up in that kind of situation but that is social distancing wearing masks keeping away from each other as much as possible and if we can move towards that as a country regardless of who is in charge we have an opportunity to really bring down the community spread and then hopefully not overwhelm the hospitals and continue to see progress but obviously that takes takes will of the people and that takes leadership and i am hopeful that we continue to move in that direction but as you point out we're not there yet as dean in morocco is a country that does not have the same resources the u.s. or europe and have do you have any concerns that if the pattern continues we're likely to see intensive care units overwhelmed in the coming weeks in morocco.

wow i'm talking to my colleagues from europe and the usa i think for africa it was a really big big big thing to see this pandemic because we don't have in year our models or benchmarking to do because usually in africa we look up to the north to see what's happening but i think what's happening has what's happening in the europe is not something that is very helpful and they feel really set for what's happening in the u.s. and that would say that's matthew because i think the last life he knew were is a lost life and i think it's not a question of numbers but a question of families of work jobs and lots of think that he's done and i think when you compare what's happening in africa with as you said her sources that are really limited and that we see we try to compare to what's happening in europe and what's happening to us it's very difficult transparent with the 1300000000 zain africa we have 303-5000. death and you see what's happening to us with

22025000 death and they think we really don't assimilate what's happening in iran and we're that's i think coming back to morocco i agree with you completely i think we are reaching the capacity of our i.c.u. is and i think will be we have to make tough decision i think without a lacking and that really strange and decision and very courageous decision and i think by the 1st of december it will be very difficult to catch up to the band factions and to raise our identity moral murray certainly has been traumatized a few months ago by the increasing cases and the infection and with c. of those bushes from intensive care units in in parts of italy the protocol so far has been steroids along with other medication and ventilation for cases for severe cases is this likely to continue to be the same protocol for the upcoming. months

with all the learning that we have managed to accumulate about and understanding about the disease itself it's a very good question and i think it goes back again to the fact that prevention is the best strategy and that's why we need the help of individual citizens very to speak to 'd mosque saying hand-washing and these tensing because actually wanting port a message that we have to buy us into the community is that and then when we don't have a specific therapy for kobe 94 patients that can be managed it almost we can give symptomatic therapies like a spirit to seek a more 'd and supportive therapies is very important that those patients these to receive i think when attrition migration them about i think right if they admitted to the arctic we have now the evidence that spirits for those patients that are quite a pocket change can be when you will do need these e's and that are associated with a decreasing want to allocate so that was why i hold it because that by aspect of mating research over the last few months we've realised when to use your eggs and

these are really a great advancement however we don't have are there specific therapies for this virus and 'd indeed what's left is a supportive therapy again something that we can do in the article and intensive care unit if patients would benefit from mechanical ventilation that's what we do to basically give time to the body to heave to rest that well i mean take care of their organs we've got our techniques we protect your gas and we will do the chemical over matthew the trumpet mr mason has been saying that a vaccine will be will be available before the end of this year now if when you listen to experts over the last 48 hours particularly. and tony far is basically saying that we have maybe we'll have to wait longer what does it mean for the americans than. so it means that things are going to continue roughly as they are over the next few months we're heading into winter here that means more people

inside that means schools have reopened and that's going to be even more transmission and until we have both a safe and effective vaccine we're not going to be able to completely control the spread so there are all those measures for prevention that we know already we're going to we're going to need to double down on those but i am still hopeful that we do get a vaccine that is reasonably effective by early next year and then we can start to scale that up and rule that out once that happens then we can start to see a real dent in the amount of transmission that are that is occurring that's not going to bring things completely back to normal right away but over time things should start to get better. as the well he's waiting to see which company is going to be able to manufacture the fast that scene we're talking about that if you trust to the companies basically in europe and the united states of america so give me an idea about the debate that you're having with your colleague of the act of

a medical biotechnology laboratory what are you thinking about today tomorrow how to get a vaccine what would be the potential for a country like morocco countries neighboring you'll in north africa. well i think the vaccine would be a solution to think as matthew said i think it's going to take a little bit of time because it's here and there want don't want to give force hopes it's not going to be for tomorrow because even if we get different the vaccine and gets accepted there prove that by this sober we have to go through what we call a mass vaccination and that's would take a long time to grow to be done so we are not looking at solution that would be there but i think the american approach was clearly a good one in this sense because morocco doesn't have the capabilities right now to develop its own vaccine so we spark there with a couple of companies from asia from china particularly and it's acquiring devices seem to astra zeneca for example that something it's good to to have but i agree

with with boscobel colleagues actually the best way to fight the corner of our see right now is the mitigation and the bar or gesture that you have to have i think that's the big problem that we have in morocco we have less than 60 percent we have almost like 50 percent of the population and they are into wearing a face mask and we know that without having a face mask you cannot have any protection ok though distancing yourself from other people and i think it's tough to do within the moroccan cultural mentality and the western kind of countries because we have a less than 6 minutes and would like to or like to move on to tackle different issues. do you think the virus has become less very real and compared to 789 months ago because when you look at europe you can see that the mortality rate is becoming less and less i don't think we have any evidence to say

that the areas that we have is that we know more or have 5 the virus in the you know in the last their minds all this summer there was a lot of preparation long awaited your. that we don't decide of intensive government is important because we want grozny with your young commission and one important message that we tried to boss was the fact that we need to find if asked play to increase competencies to care for patients during this era you know nice you're going to late or even if you buy it it's not really nice your bad without competent people there that's why recently with nonstick a project that program in europe to train its care workers not talking about any sick care which is coursing ending space and we hope we've had best during this era but i don't think the bios is firing muthee as we move forward with we're starting to learn more about covert 19 or about its syndrome which needs no more patients

with crippling issues like lasting response to problems due to logical problem causing a complete patients. could this be the moment where we have to think the way we deal with medicine itself the way we need to put more investments aside for the near future because we seem to be entering a new territory here why do you think that's right but i also think that this gets back to the issue that there's a real goal here isn't to only get good at treating this disease our goal is to prevent people from getting it in the 1st place it's it's actually true we don't have great evidence yet to suggest whether the virus is getting weaker or we're just getting better at treating it but we do know is that the mortality is dropping but that doesn't mean that people aren't still suffering severe consequences and so the goal is to prevent people from getting infected in the 1st place and and that's a really difficult thing to convince people when they see their mortality dropping so i agree with you we need to we need certainly need to invest in our ability to

care for people who are sick dealing with the severe consequences but our primary goal still needs to be preventing infection in the 1st place as the in the majority of people in morocco operate in the informal sector if you push ahead with a lock down him is that many people will suffer economically and financially in the near future then it boils down to people like you to step in and try to raise awareness about how to move forward you know particularly in countries like in north africa if this is going to stay with us longer how do you see how do you see the future in places like iraq or north africa well i think it's going to stay longer with us i think that's a definitely it's kind of the far east one here anger who are not just in iraq because this time we are in same boat i think if the virus is some what is going to be everywhere that i think which was a very good equity is the virus the diversity of the virus is not treating creasing

and i think that through our works and colleagues we we showed actually that the virus that came off genomic is safer from a rogue. and for the lock down i think the key bridge between the economy and will be an issue that is really important i think all of the people really the scientists i mean all of the decision maker people or they would have to communicate or care it's not there to people to let them now what to do and they think it's clear that we can surmount failure and a problem in less than 30 seconds for us intensive care unit. ventilator and the crowds and the desperate attempt to save people is this something that we have also to rethink with covert 19 intensive care bed intensive care people there are doctors nurses we have to find flexible ways to increase these competencies so that we can start more bad periods of surgeries but really we are all together in these we need citizens to have burst as we're being saved for

the last few minutes to think about the transmission of the virus to the community and then we can take care of many su patients not just cover it we want to go after everyone german thank you very much indeed dr morris your chikane about thier farce i said in your brahimi thank you for your insight and i promise you will continue to visit in this particular subject in the coming days and weeks and thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website dot com for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is a jane side story from me. and the entire team here in doha by phone or.

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