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into a fruit and vegetable garden and nerve been slum still surrounded by poverty and violence but where mango trees are now allowed to flourish and children in animals roam free as if he lived on a farm monica and nike have all just sirrah rio de janeiro. so this is out there these are the top stories and after months of campaigning donald trump and joe biden have brought the campaigns to a close polling booths they open in just a few hours but the condit so again suggest that they may not accept the results but white house correspondent can help it says precautions are being taken to cover all eventualities there is a fence a wrecked it around the white house anticipating on rast as well there are businesses that are being boarded up in washington d.c. and new york even all the way to los angeles major american cities anticipating
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there will be civil unrest and americans reacting in anticipation and with anxiousness hoarding food going to the grocery store much as they would prepare for a tropical storm for example ivory coast president alassane ouattara has been declared the winner of the presidential election in the electoral commission says he secured 94 percent of the vote for the opposition has rejected the result. at least 3 people have been killed and 15 others injured in the austrian capital of vienna the interior ministry has called us a terrorist attack several men known with rifles opened fire starting at the city's main synagogue. is huge damage making claims against the game the identified perpetrator was heavily armed with an assault rifle and a suicide belt which turned out to be fake the attacker was a supporter of the terrorist group i saw right now intensive investigation that measures are underway where the attack happened mckernan dad said at the moment we can't rule out that there are still other attackers out there so that's why we are
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investigating the environment of the attacker and also all of the in order to make sure whether there was just one perpetrator or to. clean up and rescue operations are underway in the philippines after super typhoon going at least 20 people died in the storm there's extensive damage to homes and basic infrastructure. the head of the world health organization says that global leaders are facing a critical moment with the 2nd wave of cope with 19 infections total gabrielson says it's time to step up against a pandemic the leader is going into self isolation after coming into contact with somebody who tested positive but the organization says he won't be tested for the virus unless he develops symptoms you have stated headlines the stream is coming right out laughing. it's one of the most consequential elections in u.s. history of al-jazeera we'll be there every step of the way 9 hours of live coverage
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up to the minute results as they come in with correspondents across the u.s. and the rest of the world al-jazeera brings you a unique global perspective on the u.s. elections 2020. 5 of the ok and you're watching the stream today tomo in front soft an attacker entered a catholic church in the french city of nice and killed 3 people last week the french president of manual mccraw called the instant an islamist terror attack on the french counts of muslim faith condemned the violence and said that it stood in solidarity with the victims and their families today we all skins fronts at breaking point if you're watching you can join the chat to be part of the day's conversation if you're following via twitter you know our twitter handle act a.j. stream.
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so how does france plan to deal with acts of domestic terrorism and at the same time accusations of islamophobia and what does all of this mean for the country's relationship with islam and muslims present mccrone address some of these questions last week and an interview with my al-jazeera arabic colleague i asked. getting a little sweet good issues i think that's all political and religious leaders he don't clearly condemn any violence towards france which is a country of freedom unlike humans have a responsibility sometimes directly but certainly indirectly for the violence which might be perpetrated against french people in france or abroad could please you don't you. joining our discussion we have rym sara she's a legal scholar who focuses on religious freedom and civil liberties in france their fees our media is an associate fellow at the international center for counter-terrorism in london and nasser latty director of the justice and liberties
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for committee in paris it is wonderful to have all of you here it is terrible to have you here to talk about this particular topic let me share with you a tweet i know you've seen this one this is from a manual more compress and to france and he says here i'm going to use the french translation it is france which is under attack i have therefore decided that soldiers will be mobilized in the coming hours as part of operation sentinel we will go from 30027000 soldiers room sara the mood in france right now to you feel like your country is under attack. i'm terrified i'm extremely terrifying but honestly. it took me a while to understand what was going on. and. i couldn't process it as a french citizen as. lying what kind of human is capable
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of doing such horrific crimes is something that goes beyond me and unfortunately what happened after did not help the brouhaha in the media or the confusion but care as it was extremely scary it's really really terrifying i don't know where we're going yes this is not the 1st time you've had this conversation where before what is going on in france can you understand it can unpack it for us but if you're feeling. personally if you're showing how slowly how you are at this moment do you feel under attack. with your thoughts of 2015. spoken to said muslim is a hard no there are no right to grieve her right after the generally attacks the november attacks and the subsequent attacks when a 16 and defeating is duds you barely have time to collect your thoughts
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and feel sorry for what's going on and for me i was born and raised in paris i was diamond i actually had a you know a dick about it now years later a physical burnout from the amount of 4 that was done because i did not have any time to kind of you know sit and just you know and my family was telling me yes respect some time you have the right to grieve and for me it was like now it's that the government is a you know is doing this and they are going to happen again eccentric such were so and it got to worse where my son is now you know turning 12 years he has himself interior internalized the idea that and i think may happen in the bus in the park in the movie and it's it's frightening beyond any description when you have a child who's supposed to look at the movie we go to the movies who's meet with his father and he's already looking around and that's not normal that's not a sort of
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a fear we should be going through and when i said some years ago that this is a new norm or for us in france i said it but i didn't expect it to kind of be oppressed tone to kids because my son when the attack of the. took place his school was a few blocks away from the shooting and i was courting us i was teaching and i was told that there was a shooting going on in the high proportion there was a hostage situation and an hour of the more cycle and i had to walk like that money enough by feet expecting the worst of all which we expect you know you know god forbid they know that this school got shot and and must son was actually a i guess like you know 9 years old but then again if you get the numbers straight and took him from the police and that day he said daddy what's terrorism what is a terrorist. but to conclude. i look at most song that was being deprived of some
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of his childhood and i look at him and i can tell you've got to one day another attack would take place and they would ask you to apologize for weed dissimilarly talking to me on c.n.n. we're. going to vote i was you know live when there was arts would it was possible to forget drugs and then say yeah i see i said i'm not going to go into that because that's that that's another network and as a network the doesn't have a sensibilities here on the strain but i do want to pick up on what you said about your little boy. yes is a little boy like this is the new normal for his little boy is this how you would look at france right now that domestic terrorism is to be expected. well i mean it's a strange question because even myself even though i'm not a french citizen i went to school in france and i studied i did interviews with people who were radicalized in france and the time of the shot we have there were turks in 2015 someone who was very near and dear to me who was in
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a very high level position in the previous french government called me and said this is a socialist this is person on the left wing and said now do you understand now do you understand why we hate muslims in france and this was incredibly violent you know rhetorical reaction that i got knowing that i grew up in a muslim household. you know it was it was it was shocking to me and this was just a taste for me you know i'm an outsider and this is what i think a lot of people who are being raised in parts of and sort of you know muslim neighborhoods if you want to call them that areas and friends this is what they suspect people think and as someone who's been on the inside who is who's worked with the government unfortunately will this rhetoric is not common in the wake of these terrorist attacks they do become common which unfortunately speaks to the success of this terrorist attack and all these terrorist attacks i want to terrorist blows up a bomb the actual the blast radius is not the actual physical blast radius that was
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being injured by definition a terrorist attack is where the targets the to the actual physical targets are not the primary targets there's actually a virtual blast radius that they're trying to create which affects the public discourse how politicians respond how the common public responds to a neighbor's upon neighbors creating divisions within society and groups like al qaida and isis have written about this explicitly in various manuals and so the very fact that we're even here having this conversation unfortunately speaks to the success of this that. when you were speaking and when you told that. when sarah you did what i did i did it internally quietly waitress. yeah and on your show you were very young i saw you do that asma says what are the reasons this is asma on you tube what is the reasons behind the rise of a slope is a schism islamophobia in france that is a documentary that will probably take weeks to actually put together but if you
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could power it to rise it for her what would she say. from where to start really unfortunately in turn will soon be a tree is not near what. i mean if you really want to understand its history you have to go back to to a colony of france and especially in north africa where muslims were not even considered french citizens that time you know gerry especially but indigenous and where related to do not apply to them because of playing like french secularism to the persons would mean giving them the same right and the same status as you know other french citizens. after decades of these asian we had an influx of immigrants 5. you know after 962. of you that muslim is. cannot be part
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of the west that there is a sort of. you know for a bit of muslims coming to take all over you know but the if like musician of your of this near that basically it's like muslims cannot integrate has been growing for quite a long time and especially since the 19th with the 1st cases of headscarf affairs the matter was utilized and this is where we are so on the legal level or a. mainstream position if i can use like this where the board of bigotry is so lazy to have for example that implies a state neutrality towards religion that protects religious freedom by imposing state and you know a religious neutrality upon the state has now been weaponized and use that
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a political tool for political identity reasons targets muslims and try to make them invincible in the public square so we have some room thank you you do that so beautifully and so tightly a movie also has another idea of why there's so much islamophobia in and she's pointing the finger at politicians and the leadership of this and that the. board out in some people is the most got behind them 1000000. muslims from work hard and nobody else should justify even so all the time for or. a real divide as we have to believe against terrorism unfortunately this is not what is happening racist and some of the political figures use these masses. to appear in the media. hatred and that's makes me really angry
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yes or is that fair to say the front is politicians or some of them are flooding the fame of islamophobia is that possible. actually i tend to disagree with. with all due respect but also for who says does islamophobia in france comes from the top and it's because of the elites already there was definitely a grassroots acceptance office time of year and you would see it oftentimes in the interaction between good. diaries are with the end to no lies idea or types of you know what arabs are about what people are about what asian people are above the law for example well for example a dot in the arab is framed as a thief or the arab woman is framed as a woman who needs to be freed to the black people black people are free and you know you would like you know no good at sports except for one and often times you
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see doubt at the intellectual subjects for example when you are in school are oftentimes a kept away from the unknown white kids i went through it myself and you know throughout my my school you know my smile might made you cation years in the public schooling system it was constantly there from that to push me out a system to like you know learn like you know to become electrician number they called in my parents and i want to become a pirate for since i was in primary school and to them it wasn't acceptable that iraq would be abided but i don't want to know to keep it all on this i want to just will bounce back on what the reams said in terms of how full of you know odds its own architecture and unlike what many people think of broad for the past 30 years it predominantly came from the left and there were what you call the secular fundamentalists. inferential were the 1st ones and again as i am said the one in the early nineties were the 1st you know open to the going in for the burning of
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the headscarf in public schools and of course despite the council of the state which is the highest at least when people throw it in front saying no kids of the right to wear their head scarf in schools know they manage within 15 years there when. from being a loud minority to being a majority capable of passing this nation into day as the the lady said that just before me. not only used to cover up you know government screw ups money to buy them a language now the same time to always find the perfect skin to go through it to nationally going to meet with national security threats or national identity and that's what it is very difficult to dismantle because there is a deep profound architecture not only for any muslims are the problem but many didn't give them a surge anything done and i just yeah i mean these guys died but i just jump in and there's like a little anecdote i'd like to share with you guys i mean in 2000 and late 268-0070
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i was doing a little work with the former prime minister's office manual of all this office on their counter narrative campaign it was basically a social media campaign to try to curb radicalization that was called stop this and i told them very frankly that this is not going to work this is a subversive a movement that sees themselves anti-establishment and you have a government government sponsored web site that the french flag on the corner trying to tell them not to radicalize the ludicrous that's not going to have any impact and they said to me oh we know this is a counter radicalization campaign although it's talking about jihadism what we're actually trying to do is curb the far right because the far right will say we're not doing that enough if we're not doing the sort of active hand-waving act that seems like we're strong and muscular and anti jihad this link radicalization and so we're doing it to calm them down so this is a common theme that
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a lot of politicians believe if i can come out an acolyte i am very against what the job that are doing it will keep the right wing calm however if you look at what's up in the united states as donald trump came into into office and he started fanning more of this. rhetoric it didn't it didn't have this cathartic effect that everyone thinks as it actually fanned the flames even more because it normalize this kind of language and it gave people permission to think some of these thoughts were expressed some of these books so the very hypotheses that a lot of prime ministers and presidents and chancellors use that if i just come out and say some of what the right wing is thinking then the right wing will be placated just doesn't seem to be borne out by the evidence. in fact if i may because i find extremely. relevant. basically today in france. and turn muslim bigotry. comes is now a business model they monetize on these fear. and
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basically today for example we have an equivalent of fox news in france it seems and this is the narrative has been so diva log that nobody is questioning it anymore and muslims has been left completely out of the conversation and in what i find extremely worrying is how you know we say we need to prove that we need to fight the fire right back cetera but i always say the fire right may not be in power indeed but it spirit is. there research and normalization of the feeling that even a question becomes of. the they think you are suspicious if you start questioning it you know putting. going after civil liberties going after the basic notion many pleading lace today we use later to for everything and nothing and i honestly think
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it's it's extremely worrying and dangerous in the latest events unfortunately have proven that so thank you for showing this anecdote because i think it's really speaks volume guess i feel like we have had islamophobia conversations about france so many times but i'm just picking up on the basher a tweet that you shared after each terrorist attack there was no question about the failures of the state that fails to stop these attacks instead to state scapegoats muslims and takes more power all the while violating people's human rights if we're looking at this from a counterterrorism perspective nephi's. help us from let's deal with this what are they to. well i think the problem is not to look at a necessarily just as a counter terrorism perspective that actually is the way the french government tends to look at it very much in terms of police and intelligence domestically and
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intelligence and military abroad what the french government has a hard time investing as much effort there although it doesn't but some effort then is counter and violent extremism or countering radicalization or preventing violent extremism there's different words but basically it all kind of comes down to we have to change the susceptibility of society in the 1st place to extremist narratives and that's a thought the bill of the largest group actually what does that mean machines that what is that so partially so partially what most governments ocus on is what they call counter narrative that these messages they just put out on websites and hoping that someone will be attracted to it because they assume that the reason why people like terrorist groups or whatever is because of the propaganda that's just naive. an extremist organization offer someone so many things that offers them identity and offer them a sense of belonging and actual brotherhood and sisterhood and offers them a pathway to purpose and meaning i've talked to multiple people who want to use those who joined who went to syria to join eyes that are almost were and the one
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thing they said is what you wanted to become a become a bagger in a grocery store or go potentially be a revolutionary was going to go change the world they're being all they're being offered the opportunity to plus press reset on the video game of life and to come back as a better character with a whole new life and so i mean you can't like completely offer exactly that to just normal things and but if you only start funding civil society organizations and n.g.o.s and so forth who are at least are trying to offer people in these local communities think about this the majority of people who went to syria to go join isis came from just 10 neighborhoods in france you don't need to do and nationwide program here why not invest a little bit of those efforts in france i was in lu know the city that had the highest per capita rate of people who went to syria and i was going around talking and there was police. and there were intelligent they didn't the surveillant people but there was pretty much no prevention or counter and violent extremism program there was one typical by the organization i met the guy who ran it you got your 27000 euro year the pay him well and to pay the overhead of the building how is he
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actually going to combat radical i think and among the that kind of budget i want to bring in $1.00 more voice for the french people that we spoke to. damian and damian was how he was trying to be hopeful at 70 s. and. so initially between france and islam is very complex and if i want to speak about to propose and we need to if you were speaking about secure his speaking about could he about still he best friends and speaking about poverty but yes the situation is very tense with a lot of islamophobia among the population and among political leader us and the right of our rights most ph but of. there is also people also a lot of fringe peoples who stands against zuma sophia and who stands for peace and so. just looking at some of the comments here on new cheaper allow hi her lao
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thanks for being part of the conversation she's wondering why france is blaming islam or says i'm french you will never have unity and harmony in this country as long as this freedom of speech is used to create scandal and. asked is the french secular law take i've put that in there because she said i forgot the official name for it applied equally to all religions is there some movement to adjust it a lot is really what you are saying is it almost been used to weaponize. an idea which is supposed to protect people of all face and it's been used to weaponize it this is a pressing conversation. and fisa and. you're back here again talking about the same thing is this a different time from the last time we spoke to you. we are seeing the beginning of the show is this a is this a breaking point for france is it just briefly i think it is because when you see
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the amount of or the emerging put layers of legislation being biased and i think and i agree or what i do you know if you did not see is that when the government of mobile virus has been a notorious example forward for the bust in of these 2 you know 15 years of is that their next to last the bottle of ideas because since you have been carrying the ideas of the 4 white new pushing for more security measures your identity syria they lift that see it they have adopted the mindset of the forward thinking they can you know beat them in their own game the other problem is not that simple you're going to count you know or whatever what the guy was ition they think is a they they want to tackle they have legitimacy whatsoever you cannot send the one morning or yes thing up finish a sale it's just just one point is that there was a domestic intelligence report you know pushing 24000 it said that the repression model is a failure we need to reach out to communities the june reports it means of this
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approach based on blaming and repressing is not working within the government then also might be going to make it there's always more to say if east thank you very much from south we thank you i will irish that i never have to have you on the street ever again to talk about this topic but i know that's probably not the case thank you so much i think part of this conversation and i'll say for thing on each each of us appreciate you very much all right so coming up next we have an instagram live guest at 2030 g.m.t. have a look a on my laptop you may well recognize and her name is men now if to seem he's going to be joining us to talk about frogs and life in france as a muslim you may remember her from an amazing rendition of alyea he did it in arabic on father's. his version of the voice 2030 g.m.t. on monday on instagram that forward to saying that if you can't make it on i think
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