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me. ok. today on the story we ask, why are so many indigenous young people imprisoned in australia, some as young as 10 years old? there were parts today show that deal with issues of suicide and self harm. so i want to warn you that your pat and if you're watching live on you tube, you can share your thoughts and i guess questions just jump into the chat and i will try to get your comments into the shop. indigenous australians are imprisoned at disproportionate rights. they are more likely to go to prison than black americans with long campaigned against high rates

of incarceration. indigenous children are particularly badly affected in australia . they are 15 times more likely to end up in juvenile detention. the white children, our colleagues, are out easier as 101 east of been investigating this issue and have just released a film called young black and behind bars. how it it's a storage room is a military. this is a soup. you can go into precincts in and out in this world install it was just a little rare and the you just fill up your courage to move. things are going through

that 16 year old. you're going to roll please listen to the story. but of course, most of the loesch here are still feeling that he's joining us to talk about the incarceration of indigenous youngsters. meghan crocker is director of the national suicide prevention and trauma recovery project. naomi muffy is a community activist and kristi sharma is

a senior research at with human rights watch. we also asked the government's national indigenous australians agency to join us, but they toned down our invitation bought. they did send a statement and i will be sharing that with you a little bit later on. ladies, thank you so much for being part of today's show make and there are just 2 numbers that are in my head right now. one is 10, that's the age of criminal responsibility l strain. the other one is 50 times more indigenous youngsters are incarcerated. white young says in australia, those 2 numbers are shock. what does that mean to family? and if we take it away from us and we talk about family, what does that mean? it means that it's broken families, families, that it, that it may subjected to racism or discrimination. there's a lot of marginalization pretty clearly in which there's right now. as mentioned in the other video here, we have

a mother who juggles and the discrimination is really what we are putting national suicide prevention and my colleague and i, your job is going to be 12 or 100000 people since september last year, coming into contact with families who are broke and there's little good. there's so much the spirit. but being at the coal sites, it's either and it's really kind of in the sense of the outrage that people have dealing with people's young children has been years old, 1112 years old working in some of the banks over a short period of time. you can see that there are many challenges for people and now young people in today's climate in which they stray any practical, this nation are in trouble. namely, you appreciate this because when you were young, you had a brush with a no more more than once. can you explain how

a young person he's from the indigenous community in australia? how get into that situation because their schools effect in this present? that's right. so speaking a bit more personal journey over the years that has not only given me healing, been an understanding as to why things were the way they were with amazing young girls. so i grew up in a home where there was lots of family, violence and abuse, but that came from my mum being of stolen generation. and as a young girl, i didn't understand that. so growing up, i followed in those footsteps of my aboriginal mother who i love dearly, but i had a lot of trauma. so i was the install in boy. busy my mother's white foster father, which they put me in a cycle of around 11 years of age,

of starting to come in contact with the justice system and experimenting with drugs and alcohol and crime. i mean people in cattle on sat on a stolen generation, isn't it? also people in different parts the well where there is colonialism or there was plainly and basically, what happened for the stolen generation was, children were taken away from their families and putting institutions or other families because they felt that they could be looked after. better were off them with their indigenous or 1st nation families. that in itself is a whole conversation, but just says that you want to stand what happened to naomi. interesting the enough, there are voices of accountability in this one. i want the stock you mentioned, i want you to hear one of them. this is tony hassle. he's a corrective services commissioner for western australia, and here's he is explaining why it is so many indigenous youngsters are incarcerated. let's have

a listen today. indigenous incarceration rates continue to increase between 2004 and 24 tane. the number of aboriginal prisoners nationally rose by 8 percent. i accept that there are too many aboriginal people in prison. i think we have to own up britain incredibly complex problem to resolve. is the system for a sister? i don't think so. what we're dealing with is, as i've said, a group of people emerging from core of ours. and we have to be honest about accept colonialization not racism is interesting. at 10 a hassle is able to separate those 2 pretty. i know you've spent a lot of time looking at indigenous incarcerated people. would you just say it's just systemic racism? that's what it is. well, it's, you know, it's the result of, you know, as a dispossession structure discrimination into generation trauma. and

definitely basis i'm, the current situation is a national tragedy where you have generations of indigenous families that are in a revolving door caught in prison. you know, i've met a number of prisoners where, you know, i meet the person, but their fathers and their, you know, cousin is also there, the uncle, sorts of that and they're all in prison. and i think it's, you know, important to highlight that this is not new. this has been going on for, you know, over the last 3040 yos and more. and there has to be political will to address the situation. the stories that we have documented are just heartbreaking. prison is a damaging, and it's often deadly. we have seen very high degree of deaths in custody, particularly of people with disabilities. indigenous people with disabilities. and i think that needs to change. now i mean when that go ahead,

go ahead. oh no, it's just going to say state attorney has full and national suicide prevention for recovery project. there has been a lot of profound when it's done in a community so great of gratitude for the support for some of the most muscle of them vulnerable in terms of the rices, the racism sense back to the original sin of the oppressed. and it's still continuing in to today, so into the criminal justice system which makes up the courts the place, the prison. but it's failed in that it's more than that. it's about the government government since the calling us, i should have continually sought out a full year in year out. so in terms of with this, right, where we are the mother or child, we've had 393 paper type the last 393. yet we only make, for example, the state population in terms of incarceration, right? the young people going in and out of prison. it has increased every single year and

it's not getting any better in terms of pointlessness homelessness is absolutely apparently sure that the big pay for not only in western australia, but in date, across the nation. so you have people coming out of prison and then what? no way to go to that is a systemic failure, and that is the failure of the school government. so until we get that right until the voices of the papal are included in these policies, in these strategies, nothing will get better. that's a really long paper. i'm going to take many houses are being priced too many about paypal, which i absolutely love doing because that's what i'm doing. that's what i am. but the bottom line is this. the grim reality is that we have brains out tom and tell me again why one governor of the next, and it's having a profound impact on our table. and just to add to that, if i mean, i think it's not just about over representation in the justice system, it's about what happens behind the closed doors. prison is like

a black hole. once people go in, there is very little information and what happens to them. and human rights watch has done a lot of research into the abuse and neglect, indigenous prisoners face in prison, particularly those with disabilities. they can be routinely bullied, harassed, sexually and physically abused. and one of the critical issues that we see is the use of solitary confinement because there is a lack of training in staff. you know, a cry for help is often seen as behavior that is disobedient, or someone who is acting up. and so the response is punitive, people are locked up in a cell for over 22 hours a day in extremely sterile conditions. you know, given a smock to wear a heavily monitored environment on the c.c.t.v. camera. and this just a very good i lack of support and so this is in terms of mental health care. so people really do have

a sock to self and often end up attempting to take their own lives. as meghan said, because of the feelie off the stage to provide any kind of support that is have some questions for people watching right now and i want to put you can take this one. why are 10 and 11 year olds not separated from older children? what is the situation in western australia? very young people who are incarcerated. where are they compared to older children? so when with this, right, they have one juvenile detention center, and that's throughout the whole state in which this phrase, the message that but for example, children who don't really can relate. they have become a bit on the way out of that place and why family. so there is only one institution with mystery where you know that irene has written, and that's a huge flight. and some of the galaxies have never been on

a plane before. and they're taken from an area that is outback, it's rural, and then they're sent somewhere else. or so away from their parents and their babies like a teller, 11 year old as a baby are this one, and i'm going to find this one team. i mean, this is also on that than some people are asking. this is, this is a question for them. to say, why are indigenous people treated so badly? now? i mean, if you thought that, look, you know, that's, that's a good question. i think that it goes back to what the other ladies were saying before around us is dimmick racism. and just the way these countries brain drain, you know, established on lies and racism, and the genocide of our people. so it can be in direct as well. you know, i remember as a young girl being at school. and also i saw a group gated from, from my aboriginal students and classmates. and

yeah, i was picked on of a lot of promise school. so even by moscow. so i think that it's just the way it is in this so-called lucky country. let me bring in martina carey, who is in the documentary. i'm going to go to back and straight after this. i want to see what meghan downs of tension is in the community. she's a support system. she is a shoulder to cry on. you're going to see this literally make in montana. kelly lost her son. he committed suicide, or he was incarcerated. he was a young person and i want you to see what meghan, douse for her job and how she tries to help. charlie was living on the streets and took his own life. after his lawyer told him, he was likely to go to jail for 4 years. the commission

him is becoming so you must please so we were making do you remember that moment? most definitely. it's really heartbreaking. i have a lot of encouragement that is that locally to reach all job was innocent. so the

same person who's going to die since we heard what happened, just a reach out and show that love and respect and to see if there was anything that we could do to help them get through my one of the most kind for moments of the whole entire lot when you lose somebody and especially when you leave somebody so young, it has found the impact. one of them basically it's about showing that love and caring that respect and helping pay for $3.00 moments. not only have we engage with one to them, but the way that we deal with a national suicide prevention, 12 recovery project, is that we engage with the whole family and work through the arc of the shooting. since we've been engaging with so many papers, we have lost anyone and that's not doing, especially about the marriage thing up and waiting to ask the she's a lady, a practical solutions. and one of the folks about what we do with setting social support, which is $24.00 seventh's going to the paper because we do recognize that we

support the narrative that the paper across the nation. montana is a beautiful lady and we're still waiting there. and many of the families we work with a year 2 years on, we don't close anyone out and that's just how we and what i notice in wanting a situation. and also kristie you've mentioned this is what often there are families who are incarcerated. there are moms, his daughters are incarcerated brothers, his little brothers, are incarcerated. now may you were nodding up a storm when christie was talking about that. you recognize that if that happened to hear you, there's been 3 generations of women in my family that have been through the justice system. so my name, my aboriginal man was thrown into jail after the children were stolen and then my mother has had contact with the justice system in the noyo. unfortunately followed in the same footsteps, but of managed to break that cycle mail with my own children through cultural healing and that journey of connecting with my identity in aboriginality.

i want to move us on a little bit because these stats and know this is not suddenly breaking news for strain breaking news for indigenous communities around australia. so what are people doing now? reckon you're doing what christine, you are doing the research. the information is out there. so how are people reacting? i want to introduce shooting, daniel carrington. he's a police cadet, he's an indigenous police cadet. have a listen. have a lot of those. people didn't trust me as much. my friends, my family, closer to tripoli, 123 months to like them. but for me, i'm still the same person just in a beautiful i think it's the same issue with anybody who works from a community that goes it works for the police people at what point in doing that

for the mexican, he makes an interesting point. let him do you think that will help us the people who are in sourcing the war. if they come from indigenous communities, they understand the community and they're not likely to throw people into prison for reasons that are more to do with poverty. and generational trauma and less seen from inside the community. and i'm not punishing them for basically the legacy of colonialism having people in the system is really and it's got change and good image trust of all wiki leaks. it's increases, but it's on the front line. at the place where they will be publicly and as we have been witness right here, of course of most of those in recruiting every little people into the original. it can be really quite difficult. for example, the criminal to become started and start again to get into one of these,

we're also going to be an issue. so i really, i'm with this trainer wanted, well, which will mean and that's really quite high. so when you get to a point where you can actually have some form, we don't actually yes, as a young person, you maintaining casseroles that it's very. but when 302020 years later, you do so, i think i'm going to become a prison officer or a place officer. when you say that we all are to that person. in many cases it's not. and that's one of the systemic failures that we have as a nation currently facing us. but you know, it's used to, or it's a beautiful thing where you can actually help your community and we, who are only inside. but it's not easy. let me bring into the conversation, i likely could come right back to you just to give me a moment. appalling, right? is a president of the law council of australia. she spoke to us a little bit about restaurants, what reforms i have

a lesson the reason the indigenous in cancer insurance isn't higher complex, but we know it results from intergenerational disadvantage reform has to include raising need minimum wage, accrued responsibility, justice reinvestment, it's community driven or a specialist in a sentence includes the priority in juvenile detention, should be rehabilitation unit. essentially it means including the recommendations of reports. yeah. lassies, conference justice group were raw commission into the protection detention of children in the northern territory. and the royal commission into aboriginal deaths in custody for stop. hopefully it's like you've got the report. one of them 2 of them, 3 of them go for it. i mentioned earlier, the national indigenous australians agency, they were not available to come on the. this is the statement they shared with us. studying government is committed to working with the states and territories to address the drivers of indigenous incarceration and improve justice and community

safety outcomes for indigenous australians. now they are saying that they have provided $216000000.00, committing another $267700000.00 in the next year. i can see reckon the same in forward what i'm going to push this to critique kerry and no that's ok. what did they say? but what do they say? are they committing a critique this whole idea of reform? the numbers of a your research is that human rights watch. numerous community organizations are really pushing for this idea of black ice matter in the astray and context. how hopeful are you that something is going to change that now? well, i think you, you know, to be realistic. the report that mentioned the royal commission from 1901, you know, it's been 30 years since the recommendations that this so they really need to be

political. yes, funding is important, but the approach and the attitude needs to change, you know, as she said, you were seeing that the approach is very punitive. you need more training for stuff you need more aboriginal and torres strait islander people and stuff currently. like western australia has only 4 percent of aboriginal and torres strait and people and stuff. so it's very very law and above all, the laws need to be changed. you know, not raising the age of criminal responsibility is one, but there needs to be a ban on the use of solitary confinement. needs to be more monitoring of prisons. so the abuse stops then needs to be, you know, better training. so that the services that provide enough in a manner that is appropriate for people who indigenous to do. if you are an aboriginal person in prison, you do not want to seek health services because it is

a barrier. it is a lot of research them. you are all, all sorts of names you're insulted on a daily being hit by a prison officials. i think it has to be a more comprehensive form. and also may then you inspired a huge conversation is going on right now and each in each of us. thank you very much for engaging that conversation. ladies, thank you very much for being guests on the show. we are not over yet. there's so much more to talk about. have a look on my laptop. i would love for you to go watch that and behind bars one o one documentary that we have been talking about for the past 25 minutes. and the correspondent and producer of that film will be joining a.j. stream on instagram, on thursday at 2038. if you can't watch thursday, june, be there any other day because we will record it, leave it there for you, 2030 hours to do ambrose and myself talking about incarcerated people

and indigenous young people in australia. thanks for watching everybody. ah, see you next time business leaders just want to find a brass pot business

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