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it but we are expecting to find it by 2021. my fellow archaeologists and i a working on this is home to more than a dozen pyramids and burial sites. it was a cemetery for the ancient egyptian capital of memphis, and is now a unesco world heritage site. the finds will go on display at 4 museums, including the granta gyptian museum, which is due to open next year. it's hoped the mummies will bring visitors for tourism sector left reeling by years of political unrest. and now the coronavirus pandemic, and are schapelle al-jazeera. this is al jazeera and these are the headlines. at least 3 rockets have been fired at eritrea's capital in a major escalation of the conflict in northern ethiopia. earlier an official in ethiopia, seagrave region, threatened eritrea and admitted that its forces carried in attack spot. the
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fighting with just south of one can measure, which i'm good at will conduct missile attacks to foil military movements in massaro and asmara through undertake every other kind of measure to foil efforts to subjugate the take rate. people inside say gray or other places, thousands of people are back on the streets of perugia, protesting the dismissal of former president martin. this kara process have been ongoing for days. now at least one person has been killed in the unrest. this car has been banned from leaving the country last week to doesn't teach them it. allegations of corruption protests to say. his removal is politically motivated. thousands of supporters of u.s. president donald trump have been demonstrating in washington. d.c. many echoed trump's claims of frauds during last week's election. multiple news outlets had to clear joe biden,
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as the projected winner for the president's hasn't yet conceded the election. i think armenians have been destroying their own homes as they leave nagorno-karabakh before sunday's handover of lands to azerbaijan. and armenia state security says it's foiled an assassination attempt on prime minister nicola passion yun, the united states, has set another record for new coronavirus cases, reporting more than 180000 infections in just 24 hours. some statesman pulls a new, complete shutdown and ahead of a major holiday. mexico's health ministry is reporting that the country has now surpassed 1000000 infections. officials have previously said the real number of cases is probably much higher. and that's yet to date, say with those and i'll just see a up front is next. as donald trump to good for america, everything is in disarray. the media of course, take every bit of bait that they can do to mark the fact that america has been
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a force for good in the world. from the american people get inspiration from him and the other half cringe your weekly, take on the u.s. politics and society. that's the bottom of a big breakthrough this week on a coronavirus vaccine. does this mean? all of our pandemic problems are over, off the top. epidemiologist, but 1st u.s. president is still refusing to concede defeat in last week's elections, claiming without evidence that the vote was rigged. despite this keep think yours and his party are still backing him. why? last former republican congressman and truck supporter turned truck critic. so walsh joe also think you for joining me on up front. so joe biden has been declared the
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winner of the u.s. presidential election. he is set to become president and january. that is a done deal, but the current president, donald trump, is not conceding, he's still pushing, baseless claims, saying this election was stolen from him. and in fact, you were public and leaders are even pushing back on those claims. that enables the president to continue to push his law some of hammer pushing those lies as well. many of them not even congratulated by right wing never really been at a point quite like this before. what's it say about the state of the republican party that is so beholden to what one man says does, and tweets were so great to be with you. it says that the republican party is a dying political party, but understand, you're right. we've never been here. we've never had a president who has literally for 45 years repeatedly attacked our democracy. so what donald trump is doing now is not at all
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a surprise refusing to accept the will of the people. this is who years he's a traitor. he's a traitor to this country, but to your point, we know that about the republican party now is you even more beholden to shell. and i think donald trump is, you know, dominate the party for the next 4 years. are you surprised that so many republicans, very prominent members of congress are still toeing the line with him. he's lost. they don't have to do this. well no, i'm not surprised because look for the last 3 years it was, i was out there saying things about donald trump. i would hear from my republican colleagues constantly in private. tell me they agree with everything i say about donald trump, but they were afraid to see any of that publicly. the same thing richelle was going on and now here's the deal. they're sick of trump. they can't stand,
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they want trump to leave, but they were afraid of trump's voters. they don't want to lose trump's voters, so even though truong as lost, they don't want to alienate his voters because resell almost all of donald trump's voters right now. believe trump's lie that this race was still run from him, that's what the republicans are afraid of loosing. they don't want to lose. as i'm glad you brought that up about trump, supporters and particulars, and you're still plugged in with the, with a lot of them in a lot of what they think they really do believe he actually won joe herself. they really, really do. it's amazing because i culled from that world, his supporters used to be my supporters. i literally hear from thousands of them every day, and i have from home. it's in right now, every single day telly exactly what trump sets this race was stolen.
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millions of people voted for joe biden. magically ballots were flopping from the sky. richelle they believed in and understood. this is the base of the republican party. so if you're ted cruz or your nikki ately, you don't want to. you don't want to say that it was stolen because you want them to support you. so joe, when you were in last year, that at the republican party did not stand up to trump, they would be wiped out and 2020, trumpets lost, but the party actually did not do that poorly. do you think it would have been better for the health and future of the republican party? had they been wiped out at the polls? yeah, it's a great question. it's a great orator. sell trump, joe biden. he's our next president. donald trump, when as well though, he got more of his people out,
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it was an overwhelming repudiation of trump. this i'm richelle, i really believe donald trump made one per president. again, 2024 no matter what he's going to keep in space. i don't our phones and honored screens for the next 4 years. he's going to freeze the republican party. so in a way it would have been much better for the republican party if it had been an overwhelming repudiation. but that didn't have a trump ism is alive in what you have called, trump ism, and the world around him. you've actually called it a cult. you have work with a lot of these people, you know these people. how were you able to lead the the sinking ship or of the cult is that war and many of them have not richelle. it is a cult. i'm not the only one who said that look, i voted for trump in 2016. not because i love them or like to meet wasn't hillary.
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my biggest sin was i didn't pay enough attention to don's front. as soon as i started to pay attention to him after he won, i realized that he lies every time he opens his mouth and he's incapable of acting in the country's interests. but rachelle, most of his supporters who are not yet it, they have so far invest it, they don't understand america. and i don't think that's the cheney. i really don't . i think most of his supporters are going to stay with him. which is why when i began a few minutes ago, i think the republican party is a die party. i really do believe more than 70000000. people did vote for donald trump, right. and under show this week, this is what you said. you said, i'm not one of these people who will say, you trump supporters, you're despicable! you're deplorable for all racists. i don't believe any of that. i believe almost
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all of you are really damn good people who got conned by a fraud. you got caught by a con man, joe too. damn good people. as you put it, vote for a racist. i think dem good people. rachelle justify that. they're not voting for a racist even though you and i know donald is a racist. i believe race resellers, part of it. look, the republican party right now is basically older white people who are dying. right . they live in small town america. they're older, they're white, and they're dying. race for shell is part of it, but why they still cling to donald trump is because the american they believe in is disappearing. and it's made him angry in confused. they don't understand why donald trump can't belong 4 years ago and said, i'm going to build a wall and now i'll save america. and they clung to him,
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racist part of it, but it's also just their jobs early. there are leaving, but that's also happening for black and brown people and they're not responding that way. exactly. because again, the older white people want to return to the 19th 15th sabera. we're never going to go back to that america. but the republican party rachelle instead of making better case that we're never going to go back to you or the republican party ignored these people. so along came a democrat, i lie to them. so let me ask you this, then you talk about what resonated with his supporters. 40 years ago you were one of his supporters. what resonated with you, joe? you know what? rachelle, what resonated with me once the disruption i believed. and i still believe that american politics is broken. both of our parties are pro,
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in the whole thing is broken. i was in congress, i saw this struction often, you know, thing. and i think our politics is some disrupts that. well, he did not need or sit at odds are he did not need to race that we did not eat a narcissist is in a bubble of putting the country's interests ahead of insult. we need a puppet to again, richelle. i was guilty and cheated. and i've got photos of the show how to, how can you say that though? because even before donald trump ran for office, he's been a public figure for decades. he has said and done racists incendiary things. he's been dishonest for here is how can you really say he didn't know or you weren't paying attention? come on. i did. i did. i feel richelle. i figured it's just a goof is just a blowhard. i've never watched a stupid reshow. i don't need, but i do this about him. i know,
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but when i didn't pay attention to things he said and did back in new york city, look for show he wants you to hillary clinton. i was that it enthusiastic supporter . it blocked me and it were back then because i would criticize him. i hope was he get elected. he will play a lot of golf in maybe he'd appoint a couple of people and maybe a couple things might now i was wrong. ok. all right. ok. and you have and you have, but this reckoning still needs to happen even though you have apologized. and i'm curious to know more about your evolution. so before donald trump sort of calling you names and blocking you on twitter, you did say things like, if trump loses, i'm grabbing my musket in what you say, something like that. because if you get it was a musket. the famous last tweet, the musket tweet was from those when i'm going to grab my musket and i'm going to fight for freedom and limited government because i'm still
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a limited government and serve it up to the lection rachele. in forney 16, i said how the number must be, i said, no redder, hillary or trauma. i'm going to grab my musket white, read him in limited government, meaning less till there's. you could a felon, joe, you couldn't. you could have said that without invoking a musket or our violence or whatever you could have said that come on, i could of this, you know, i love the idea of a mosque and what about i thought it works, but i thought it was kind of, oh us, i still look, i'm a big gun guy. i thought it was just a funny way to put it out there. i'm twitter that i'm going to fight for freedom limited government. i don't walk that back. i'm still while. yeah, politically. i opposed. so joe, you apologize for some of the things you've said, but when it came to black lives matter, you have said a lot of bad things about them, right. and when a police officer shot in dallas
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a few years ago, you tweeted this is now war. watch out, obama watch out. black lives matter punks. real america is coming after you also said that black lives matter should be categorized as a hate group. how do you feel about those comments today? i've walked back a lot of those because i've opened my eyes in urban, i've spent the past 2 and a half years talking to black men and women who i respect this country. and look, i'm very pro. i'm still very pro, but i've realized over the last of the past with to appeal eaters, that cops do not treat black lives the same way. they treat white lights. if you had me on your show 4 years ago, if you said joe black matter, i would have said strictly shall know all lives better. but now i understand how important that phrase is black lives matter and us white people need
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not lives that we could move on in say that all. 'd life's matt, you have said that you do feel we're sponsible for nudging the u.s. along too to having donald trump as a president. so what more do you think you can and should to, to rectify that? i believe those are shallow and when i hope we plead challenge down from the republican primary last year, it was a public apology tour because a lot of the personal, ugly politics that i engaged in over the past 10 years helped give us the beautiful thing about trump is that he selp wake ice up to this ugly person all the chicks, and i don't engage it. or i think step one is to get rid of all and we've done. step 2 now is for people who believe what i believe a little early. this sit down in a tape with democrats, and you have to respect our own decisions about issues. so find out where we can
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find the ground. do you think that's going to happen any time soon though? it's not just a matter of being polite to each other. don't you think that this election has exposed just how deep the divide is in this country? it's not about just being polite. you know, it's not about strong either, because results will divide america. this country was divided, courtroom trumps the oath the product of the divide, we're still going to be divided next february. so biden is that recklessly unite us . i do understand that we have funded and will differences somewhat of those are going to be we need to have ins. i want to be a part of it was our conversations, but i think we need to try to do it respectfully. joe walsh. thank you, sir. for joining me on up front shelf
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of multiple countries across europe, announcing new curfews and lockdowns, the united states surpassing $10000000.00 coba cases. and spats between brazil and china over vaccine trials were, looks like it's entering the worst and most challenging phase of the krona pandemic . yet, but there's also been some good news. the u.s. pharmaceutical company, pfizer announced this week that a new vaccine is more than 90 percent effective, but who will get it 1st. and will it work over the long term when us to talk about what this means for our lives and the challenges ahead as our 5, holding an epidemiologist and help economist who is a senior fellow at the federation of american scientists. eric, thank you for joining me on up front before we talk about the vaccine. let's just kind of check in on where things stand right now. with this pandemic, it's been about a year since the corona virus 1st emerged. it seems that the world is entering a new phase, possibly a deadlier phase. there's fears also that is when terror comes in the northern
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hemisphere, the numbers can get exponentially worse hospitalizations are up in the u.s. and in just the 1st, 10 days of november, the u.s. thought 10000000 new cases in the immediate future. eric, how much worse might this get our exchange? it could get much more worse before it gets better. because if you look at the trajectory, we're at $10000000.00 now, but the $8000000.00 took 20 days. the moon took 14 days and it $10000000.00 only took 10 or 11 dates. and at this rate we're averaging 100 $20000.00 cases a day in the u.s. . we're going to hit $200000.00 cases in the u.s. by the end of this month if this rate continues. which means basically every less, less than a week for another 1000000 and the hospital beds are full and you can add more hospital beds. we can invent more doctors and nurses. so in terms of actual crush,
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we're hitting their brains where people can't get treated. and just feel sore even through there, and with the winter, not even here yet. i'm really worried because we're going to see a real bad onslaught this winter. so let's talk about this announcement from pfizer . pfizer announced that in this initial phase 3 clinical trial, the results indicate that this vaccine against the corona virus is more than 90 percent effective. obviously, that sounds like amazing news, but there's a lot we still don't know. we do know that there are cases of people getting infected more than once. we know that this virus can you. so can you put this news in some sort of context for us? this is a very preliminary analysis. so this trial had over 43000 people, and this is the only had 93 events as in infection or vets. and that just means that compared to the placebo that back scene was, you know,
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when the rate of the placebo was so great was infection. so that's good, but it's only for the 1st 7 days on average, 7 days follow up after their shots. and so we do have no idea about long term efficacy. we have no idea about safety enough because we only have 93 events. we need a lot more, we need hundreds, if not thousands of infections. truly know the full extent and how long. but this is why we invest in more than one vaccine. so one vaccine, it's hopeful, we don't know how long it lasts. but i think having more or more different back seasons that adapt to a virus in different ways allows us a more robust combination of preventive treatments when next year comes to roll out . so pfizer has said that by the end of 2020, it will abandon factored enough doses to immunize 15 to 20000000 people. that,
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that sounds like a lot that's about the size of new york city. but in perspective, there are 7800000000 people in the world. so obviously that is very, very small, that little bit of math for you. that's about point 25 percent of the world's population. how do you decide who gets the vaccine 1st? that's a very quick question. i think traditionally, traditionally people have prioritized health care workers because they're on the front lines treating patients. and if we have doctors and nurses getting sick that actually hurts the rest of the epidemic. and then there's essential workers and frontline workers, those who work at say, grocery stores, those who work in nursing homes. but again, we have, we have millions and millions of health care workers in this country. and you know, the rest, the rest of the world also has the same supply issue. this is why at the beginning it will be very, very difficult to get your hands on it. but that's why i always say the general
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population has to aim for late spring at the earliest, but most likely, later this summer before it becomes widely available. how do we even decide which countries might get it 1st? i mean, obviously there's politics, it's money is going to be the rich and the powerful people that have access to this 1st and other countries are left behind. this is a pandemic. this is not a, you know, 1st world country developing country kind of disease exclusively. as long as this virus is in any part of the world, the entire world still remains at risk. so this is why rolling out the back seem to entire world, equitably and affordably is so critical. and at the beginning,, i think obviously the u.s. north american, you know, u.k. will have access to our work speed vaccines. but again, putting all of our eggs in one basket is not necessarily the best idea. we could actually be more successful if we can actually cross share and see this vaccine
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could be better in this situation. this vaccine could be better in this situation. we have to see, we never really saw in the u.s. the strict lock downs that we saw in places like asia, europe and australia would never happen, even if the numbers are going up. there's real talk of a lockdown like that. why is that eric? do you think is it because of that?, it's been so politicized in the u.s., the talk of individual freedoms. and is it a mistake? do you think that if we had had this strict lockdown at other places, had that we would be a little farther along in this? yeah, i think district is in the lockdown is very different because that though what we did it and what singapore and hong kong did was just, you know, leaps and bounds much more strict. you know, for anyone entering hong kong or singapore, you would get her ankle bracelet actually in terms of your quarantine rules.
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meanwhile, anyone who flies the u.s. has almost no quarantine measures. their contact forms are actually not even checked by custom in the border control. and you have no idea where they are. no testing entry, testing is needed and a lot downs. we can't, they're not going to see it by themselves. we have to test and contact trace rapidly quickly. and we did not do that either. and also japan, assuming that this virus was airborne from the beginning and as well as korea, they took the precautions against an airborne virus. we did not. and we had way too many laxity as a call exceptions. all together, u.s. reaction to this is, has been very terrible. and i think it's part of our culture. you know, freedom is as we say, but it's also this trust in government where people trusted what south korean government did. hong kong and singapore government did in taiwan government did.
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but in terms of solidarity and trust, we have a very fractured ok. and what we do, eric and i, let's just be honest. part of that is because the president of the united states did not encourage people to wear masks. multiple members of a staff have gotten coded, so he really not set an example when it comes to this, right. and even a week after losing the election, he has not conceded. so that's kind of slow in the transition to the buying the ministration. does that concern you that we're in the middle of a pandemic? and there's not right now a smooth transition to the next administration that needs to deal with this. oh, absolutely, and that's what i was trying to get. there's been so many ways in which the pen demick is a mess and what's trump ministration. lack of testing like a p.p.s. lack of defense production act, you know, like contact tracing mass testing or, you know, deployment. there's so many things and of course the downplaying of masks,
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of hiring scott atlas to push quack theories around a turd immunity. dismissing that almost virtually no, you know, no one actually died. it's all these things have been terribly terribly for this response. and you know, we knew about it, but they did nothing for the most part and i would say. and now right, they're all there in terms of the transition. they are refusing to approve any transition funds. they're refusing basically to accept it by anyone. and so this delays and hampers the transistor transition and ultimately hurts public health response hurts trust in science hurts everything. what we're trying to do as epidemiologist, public health scientists, to stop this epidemic and spew conspiracy theories on top is just just the last thing we need right now. ok, that will be the final word. eric bible bank. thank you so much for joining me.
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