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good to pub owners in a pandemic? well, it was more fur for the townspeople were. publicans were out of work. we do something positive to think that somebody left here and is now most powerful man in the world. just couldn't write the script. it was a us administration past that helped cement peace and early task for the next one could be to preserve it. i don't know how al-jazeera in the west of ireland the u.k.'s prime minister boris johnson, has gone into self isolation after coming into contact with someone who's infected with covert. 19. he says he's feeling fine and will continue to work from downing street. johnston fell ill with the virus in april and spent several days in intensive care.
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it is good to have you with us. hello, adrian fenty going to here in doha. the headlines on al-jazeera the political crisis in peru is worsening. with interim president, manuel merino resigning. just 5 days into the job, he'd replaced 19 this carla who was removed from office for valid for over allegations of corruption and spawn days of mass protests, but an essential report style from lima. there's no precedent. there's no congress person. there are no vice presidents, there is no cabinet, no ministers, no one. and it is the responsibility of legislators who have voted tonight against the only that there was set up the most important posts at congress to define who the congress president will be, who would have been sworn in to president of the country
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as president prime minister. i'm sorry, nicole posh indian is resisting pressure to resign, following days of anger over a peace deal with azerbaijan. he took responsibility for the concessions made in the goal of cutting back and said that his main priority is to billets he and security agreement, seize all media and the control of several disputed areas to azerbaijan. the un zax, again, voice in libya, says that she's pleased with the outcome of talks aimed at ending nearly a decade of violence. that's despite rival factions being unable to reach an agreement on who will lead the country through a transitional period, refugees from ethiopia's to greater region are continuing to flee into neighboring sudan. as the conflict worsens sudanese state media, say the number of people fleeing the violence has reason to believe 25000 more you see here, how does iraq after upfront, next time out is there are we heard scott realistically,
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how can you do with institutionalize corruption in this country? we listen, if this breaks up into a conflict between august on and india, this has implications for the rest of the world. we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter. is there a, a big breakthrough this week on a coronavirus vaccine? does this mean? all of our pandemic problems are over the top epidemiologist, but 1st u.s. president on a trump is still refusing to concede defeat in last week's elections, claiming without evidence that the vote was rigged. despite this keep figures and his party are still backing him, why last former republican congressman and trump supporter turned trump critic joe walsh.
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joe walsh. thank you for joining me on up front. so joe biden has been declared the winner of the u.s. presidential election. he is set to become president and january. that is a done deal, but the current president, donald trump, is not conceding, he's still pushing baseless claims and this election was stolen from him. and in fact, if you were public and leaders are even pushing back on those claims that enables the president to continue to push his live. some of him are pushing those lies as well. many of them have not even congratulated by right. we've never really been at a point quite like this before. what does it say about the state of the republican party that is so beholden to one man says does. and tweets rasha great to be with you. it says that the republican party is a dying political party, but understand, you're right, we've never been here. we've never had
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a president who has literally for 4 to 5 years, repeatedly attacked our democracy. so what donald trump is doing now is not at all a surprise refusing to accept the will of the people. this is who years he's a traitor, he's a traitor to this country. but to your point, we know that about the republican party now is even more beholden to him or a shell. and i think donald trump is, you know, dominate the party for the next 4 years. are you surprised that so many republicans, very prominent members of congress are still toeing the line with him. he's lost. they don't have to do this. well no, i'm not surprised because look for the last 3 years as i was out there saying things about donald trump. i would hear from my republican colleagues constantly in private. tell me they agree with everything i say about donald trump. but they were
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afraid to say any of that publicly, the same thing richelle was going on. and now here's the deal. they're sick of trump. they can't stand, they want trump to leave, but they're afraid of trump's voters. they don't want to lose trump's voters, so even though trump as lost, they don't want to alienate his voters because resell almost all of donald trump's voters right now. believe trump's lie that this race was still run from him. that's what the republicans are afraid of loosing. they don't want to lose. i'm glad you brought that up about trump, supporters and particulars, and you're still plugged in with the, with a lot of them and a lot of what they think they really do believe he actually won joe herself. they really, really do. it's amazing because i come from that world. his supporters by supporters. i literally hear from thousands of them every day. and i have for
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months and right now every single day there are tele, exactly what trump sets this race was stolen. millions of people voted for joe biden. magically ballots were flopping from the sky. richelle they believed in and understood. this is the base of the republican party. so if you're ted cruz or your nikki ately, you don't want to. you don't want to say that it was stolen because you want them to support you. so joe, you were in last year that if the republican party did not stand up to trump, they would be wiped out and 2020, trumpets lost, but the party actually did not do that poorly. do you think it would have been better for the health and future of the republican party? had they been wiped out at the polls? yet it's a great question. it's a great record show. trump,
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joe biden. he's our next president. donald trump, when as well though, he got more of his people out, it was an overwhelming repudiation of trump. this i'm richelle. i really, donald trump made one per president. again, 2024 no matter what he's going to keep in space on our phones and on r.g.p. screens for the next 4 years. he's going to freeze the republican party. so in a way it would have been much better for the republican party if it had been an overwhelming repudiation. but that didn't have that. trump ism is alive in what you have called, trump ism, and the world around him. you've actually called it a cult. you have work with a lot of these people, you know, these people, how were you able to lead the, the sinking ship or of the cult is that war?
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and many of them have not richelle it is equal. i'm not the only one who said that look, i voted for trump in 2016. not because i love them or like to meet, wasn't hilary. my biggest sin was i didn't pay enough attention to don's from as soon as i started to pay attention to him after he won, i realized that he lies every time he opens his mouth and he's incapable of acting in the country's interests. but rachelle, most of his supporters who are not yet it, they have so far in this it, they don't understand. are you sick? and i don't think that's the cheney. i really don't. i think most of his supporters are going to stay with them, which is why when i began a few minutes ago, i think the republican party is a die blue party. i really do believe more than 70000000. people did vote for
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donald trump, right. and under show this week, this is what you said. you said, i'm not one of these people who will say, you trump supporters, you're despicable, you're deplorable for all races. i don't believe any of that. i believe almost all of you are really damn good people who got conned by a fraud. you got caught by a con man, joe to damn good people as you put it in vote for a racist. i think dem good people rachelle justify that. they're not voting for a racist even though you and i know donald is a racist, i believe, race resellers, part of it. look, the republican party right now is basically older white people who are dying. right . they live in small town america. they're older, they're white, and they're dying. race for shell is part of it, but why they still cling to donald trump is because the american they believe in is disappearing. and it's made him angry in confused. they don't understand why donald
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trump can't go along 4 years ago and said, i'm going to build a wall and now i'll save america and the clone, you know, racist part of it. but it's also just, you know, there are jobs early there are leaving, but that's also happening for black and brown people and they're not responding that way. exactly. because again, the older white people want to return to the 19th 15th sabera. we're never going to go back to that america, but the republican party rachelle, instead of making better case that we're never going to go back to the, or the republican party ignored these people. so along came a democrat who lie to them. so let me ask you this, then you talk about what resonated with his supporters. 4 years ago, you were one of his supporters. what resonated with you? you know, what rachelle, what resonated with me, what is the disruption?
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i believe. and i still believe that american politics is broken. both of our parties are pro, in the whole thing is broken. i was in congress, i saw this struction often thing. and i think our politics is some disruption. well, we did not need. odds are he did not need to raise it. we did not eat a narcissist, is in a bubble of pushing the country's interest ahead to consult. we need a puppet to book. again, richelle i was guilty. and you know, i've photo of the show how to, how can you say that though, because even before donald trump ran for office, he's been a public figure for decades. he has said and done racists incendiary things. he's been dishonest for here is how can you really say he didn't know or you weren't paying attention? come on. i did. i did. i feel rachelle. i figured he's just
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a goof. is just a blowhard. i've never watched a stupid, really show. i don't need what i do this about him. i know, but when i didn't pay attention to things he said and did back in new york city, look for a show. he wants you to hillary clinton. i was about it in order. it blocked me and it were back then because i would criticize him. i hope was he get elected. he will play a lot of golf in maybe he'd appoint a couple of people and maybe a couple things might now i was wrong. ok. all right. ok. and you have and you have, but this reckoning still needs to happen even though you have apologized. and i'm curious to know more about your evolution. so before donald trump sort of calling you names and blocking you on twitter, you did say things like, if trump loses, i'm grabbing my musket in what you say, something like that. because if you get it was a musket. the famous last tweet,
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the musket tweet was from those when i'm going to grab my musket and i'm going to fight for freedom and limited government because i'm still a limited government service. i'm the lection rachelle in 4016. i sent out another must be. i said no matter hillary or trauma, i'm going to grab my musket white, read him in limited government, meaning less till there's. you couldn't say joe until you couldn't. you could have said that without invoking a musket or our violence or whatever you could have said that come on. i could of this. no, i love the idea of a mosque. and what about i thought it works, but i thought it was kind of on, oh us. i still look, i'm a big gun guy. i thought it was just a funny way to put it out there on twitter that i'm going to fight for freedom limited government. i don't walk that back. i'm still while. yeah, politically. i opposed. so joe, you apologize for some of the things you've said,
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but when it came to black lives matter, you have said a lot of bad things about them, right. and when a police officer shot in dallas a few years ago, you tweeted this is now war. watch out, obama watch out. black lives matter punks. real america is coming after you also said that black lives matter should be categorized as a hate group. how do you feel about those comments today? i've walked back a lot of those because i've opened my eyes in word, i've spent the past 2 and a half years talking to black men and women who i respect this country. and look, i'm very pro op. i'm still very pro, but i've realized over the last of the asquith to appeal eaters, that cops do not treat black lives the same way. they treat white lights. if you had me on your show 4 years ago, if you said joe black matter, i would have said strictly shall know all life better. but now i understand how
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important that phrase is black lives matter and us white people need not lives that we could move in that all lives. matt, you have said that you do feel more sponsible for nudging the us along to, to having donald trump as a president. so what more do you think you can and should to, to rectify that? i believe those are shallow and when i hope we plead challenge down from the republican primary last year, it was a public apology tour because a lot of the personal, ugly politics that i engaged in over the past 10 years helped give us the beautiful thing about trump is that he selp wake ice up to this ugly person all the chicks, and i don't engage it. or i think step one is to get rid of all and we've done that
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. step 2 now is for people who believe what i believe it literally is sit down a tape with democrats and you have to respect our own decisions about issues there . find out where we can find the ground. do you think that's going to happen any time soon? though it's not just a matter of being polite to each other, don't you think that this election has exposed just how deep the divide is in this country? it's not about just being polite, you know, and it's not about strong either because results well divided america. this country was divided, or troll trumps the oath the product of the divide. we're still going to be divided next fact, we're still biden. is that recklessly unite us? i do understand we have fun and all differences. so what are those are going to be? we need to have heart shaped shins. i want to be a part of it was our undersea shits,
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but i think we need to try to do it respectfully. joe walsh. thank you sir, for joining me on up front of multiple countries across europe announcing a new curfew. some lockdowns, the united states surpassing $10000000.00 coba cases and spats between brazil and china. over vaccine trials world looks like it's entering the worst and most challenging phase of the krona virus pandemic yet. but there's also been some good news. the u.s. pharmaceutical company, pfizer announced this week that a new vaccine is more than 90 percent effective, but who will get it 1st. and will it work over the long term when us to talk about what this means for our lives and the challenges ahead. as our feigele doing an epidemiologist and help economist who is a senior fellow at the federation of american scientists. eric, thank you for joining me on up front. before we talk about the vaccine. let's just kind of check in on where things stand right now. with this pandemic,
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it's been about a year since the corona virus 1st emerged. it seems that the world is entering a new phase, possibly a deadlier phase. there's fears also that is when terror comes in the northern hemisphere, the numbers can get exponentially worse hospitalizations are up in the u.s. and in just the 1st, 10 days of november, the u.s. saw 10000000 new cases in the immediate future. eric, how much worse might this get our exchange? it could get much more worse before it gets better. because if you look at the trajectory, we're at $10000000.00 now, but the $8000000.00 took 20 days. moon took 14 days and it $10000000.00 only took 10 or 11 dates. and at this rate we're averaging 120000 cases a day in the u.s. . we're going to hit $200000.00 cases in the u.s. by the end of this month if this rate continues. which means basically every less, less than a week for another 1000000 and the hospital beds are full and you can add more
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hospital beds. we can invent more doctors and nurses. so in terms of actual crush, we're hitting their brains where people can't get treated. and just feel sore even through there, and with the winter, not even here yet. i'm really worried because we're going to see a real bad onslaught this winter. so let's talk about this announcement from pfizer . pfizer announced that in this initial phase 3 clinical trial, the results indicate that this vaccine against the corona virus is more than 90 percent effective. obviously, that sounds like amazing news, but there's a lot we still don't know. we do know that there are cases of people getting infected more than once. we know that this virus can mutate. so can you put this news in some sort of context for us? you know, this is a very preliminary analysis. so this trial had over 43000 people, and this is the only had 93 events as in infection or vets. and that just means
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that compared to the placebo that back scene was, you know, when the rate of the placebo was so great was infection. so that's good, but it's only for the 1st 7 days on average, 7 days follow up after their shots. and so we do have no idea about long term efficacy. we have no idea about safety enough because we only have $93.00 events. we need a lot more, we need hundreds, if not thousands of infections are truly know the full extent and how long. but this is why we invest in more than one vaccine. so one vaccine, it's hopeful, we don't know how long it lasts. but i think having more or more different back scenes that adapt to the virus in different ways allows us a more robust combination of preventive treatments when next year comes to roll out
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. so pfizer has said that by the end of 2020, it will advance factored enough doses to immunize 15 to 20000000 people. that, that sounds like a lot that's about the size of new york city. but in perspective, there are 7800000000 people in the world. so obviously that is very, very small, that little bit of math for you. that's about point 25 percent of the world's population. how do you decide who gets the vaccine 1st? that's a very quick question. i think traditionally, traditionally people have prioritized health care workers because they're on the front lines treating patients. and if we have doctors and nurses getting sick that actually hurts the rest of the epidemic. and then there's essential workers and frontline workers, those who work at say, grocery stores, those who work in nursing homes. but again, we have, we have millions and millions of health care workers in this country. and you know,
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the rest, the rest of the world also has the same supply issue. this is why at the beginning it will be very, very difficult to get your hands on it. but that's why i always say the general population has to aim for late spring at the earliest, but most likely, later this summer before it becomes widely available. how do we even decide which countries might get it 1st? i mean, obviously, politics, it's money is going to be the rich and the powerful people that have access to this 1st and other countries are left behind. this is a pandemic. this is not a, you know, 1st world country developing country kind of disease exclusively. as long as this virus is in any part of the world, the entire world still remains at risk. so this is why rolling out the back seem to entire world, equitably and affordably is so critical. and at the beginning,, i think obviously the u.s. north american, you know, u.k.
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will have access to our work speed vaccines. but again, putting all of our eggs in one basket is not necessarily the best idea. we could actually be more successful if we can actually cross share and see this vaccine could be better in this situation. this vaccine could be better in this situation. we have to see, we never really saw in the u.s. the strict lock downs that we saw in places like asia, europe and australia would never happen, even if the numbers are going up. there's real talk of a lockdown like that. why is that eric? do you think is it because of that?, it's been so politicized in the u.s., the talk of individual freedoms. and is it a mistake? do you think that if we had had this strict lockdown that other places had that we would be a little farther along in this? yeah, i think the strictest in the lockdown is very different because that though, what did it and what singapore and hong kong did was just,
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you know, leaps and bounds much more strict. you know, for anyone entering hong kong or singapore, you would get her ankle bracelet actually, in terms of your quarantine rules being well, anyone who flies the u.s. has almost no quarantine measures. their contact forms are actually not even checked by custom in the border control. and you have no idea where they are. no testing entry, testing is needed and a lot downs. we can't, they're not going to see it by themselves. we have to test in context, race rapidly, quickly. and we did not do that either. and also japan, assuming that this virus was airborne from the beginning and as well as korea, they took the precautions against an airborne virus. we did not. and we had way too many laxatives, a call exceptions. all together, u.s. reaction to this is, has been very terrible. and i think it's part of our culture. you know,
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freedom is as we say, but it's also this trust in government where people trusted what south korean government did. hong kong and singapore government did in taiwan government did. but in terms of solidarity and trust, we have a very fractured ok. and what we do, eric and i, let's just be honest. part of that is because the president of the united states did not encourage people to wear masks. multiple members of a staff have gotten coded, so he really not set an example when it comes to this, right. and even a week after losing the election, he has not conceded. so that's kind of slow in the transition to the buying the ministration. does that concern you that we're in the middle of a pandemic? and there's not right now a smooth transition to the next administration that needs to deal with this. oh, absolutely, and that's what i was trying to get. there's been so many ways in which the pen demick is a mess and what's troubling ministration. lack of testing like a p.p.s. lack of defense production act. you know, like context tracing a mass testing,
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you know, deployment. there's so many things, and of course the downplaying of masks, of hiring scott atlas to push quack theories around occurred immunity, dismissing that almost virtually. no. you know, no one actually died. it's all these things have been terribly terribly for this response. and you know, we knew about it, but they did nothing for the most part and i would say and now, all right, they're all there in terms of the transition. they are refusing to approve any transition funds. they're refusing basically to accept it by anyone. and so this delays and hampers the transistor transition and ultimately hurts public health response hurts trust and science hurts everything. what we're trying to do as epidemiologist, public health scientists, to stop this epidemic and spew conspiracy theories on top is just just the
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last thing we need right now. ok, that will be the final word. eric bible bank. thank you so much for joining me. thank you. and we will be back next week for that instead of the it's, she's mental disease because 50 percent of the deaths of children but that it's a bad childhood education that she used to say to
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