tv Studio B Unscripted Al Jazeera November 22, 2020 4:00am-5:01am +03
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how the colonial conflict will scale lot into french take on a station on al-jazeera context. the storytelling of the biggest issues and today usually do with the top stories. donald trump has suffered another cold last. 'd his attempt to overturn the results of the us presidential election, a district court judge in pennsylvania is throwing out a lawsuit filed by the trump campaign, which sought say exclude millions of mail in ballots in the state, the judge issued a scathing ruling saying, fell to provide evidence of voter fraud. u.s. health officials are urging people not to travel for the thanksgiving holidays that
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has the country so passes 12000000 cases. european countries are also moving to soaring infections with portugal banning domestic travel ahead of the holiday season. covered 19 is also dominating the virtual g. 20 summit hosted by saudi arabia. leaders of the world's 20 biggest economies are expected to played supports a poor countries to help pay for the distribution of vaccines. medicines and tests . police have clashed with anti-government protesters in guatemala, 100 stall in the congress building and set it on fire tank. asked was fired to clear the demonstration after it turned violent. there's a widespread anger at the new budget which protesters say disenfranchises or an indigenous people. yes, he has moved from bogota. protesters have kept confronting the police after security forces moved in to move them away from congress after this
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fire was seen shooting out of a window from the building from congress building and guatemala city. and all this is part of this growing demonstrations against the president against, for passing this budget deal, that cuts many social subsidies benefits to people while increasing other bad if it's for lawmakers. nationwide demonstrations are taking place across chile, demanding the release of hundreds of people arrested during protests for social reform. over the past year, the united nations and rights organizations are accusing the chilling government of using detention as a political weapon. prisoners have been detained without trial of visiting rights. says it was behind rocket attacks in afghanistan's capital kabul at least 8 people were killed and dozens more injured. when more than 20 rockets landed in
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residential areas near the green zone, where many embassies are based, the attack happened just hours before u.s. . secretary of state was due to hold talks with the afghan government and taliban. the goetia stephanie deca has more on those talks in might compare wrapped up saturday with meeting the taliban delegation involved in intra afghan talks, yet met an hour earlier with the afghan government delegation. these are talks that were greeted back in september. the u.s. secretary of state where he was here for that as well, but it's been a difficult process moving forward, the told still stuck on the technicalities of what kind of islamic law will govern the govern the framework of these tools. i think the message certainly from my pompei will be that they are keen to get the 2 sides to sit down to really get to the difficult issues when it comes to a long lasting cease fire and a power sharing agreement between the 2 sides. of course you also met the path or
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is it merely had a lunch with him and also met with the deputy prime minister to be discussed issues like iran. this is a ministration that's been very much an anti iran in a country as a country that has very good relations with iran. it's also one of the issues when it comes to the gulf blockade, the blockading countries demanding that qatar cuts ties with iran, something they have so far, refused to do. this is also did ministration that it said it wanted to perhaps get some movement on the lifting of the blockade that certainly at the moment hasn't happened, not to the full extent anyway. and of course, also in a way of course, and u.s. president donald trump not having conceded defeat, but patters emir has already called the president joe biden, to congratulate him on his way. so i just hope a new satellite will help them find out how sea levels are rising. it's on a 5 year mission, some changes associated with global warming, those the headlines. the news continues here in studio unscripted.
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if you obey the market for 30 years, you begin to worship it and believe it has power. all the laws, the purpose of the tyrant tried to make anything else unimaginable. the 1st dictatorship is the dictatorship. in your mind, they're almost superheroes. the only super heroes going to save us is all shelled and that's what $99.00 means. it's almost like you're so lucky information and not to be until fascist and a radical human. molly crabapple, a writer journalist, an artist guantanamo is a place that runs on secrecy and on censorship. but it's not just i had an advantage, i could drive around the censorship. as a journalist,
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i spent much of my time covering protests all over the world. the people in the streets today, the same people who'd been on the streets protesting against austerity 6 to say look, i document people fighting oppression, often against impossible odds. i drew this right next to the right tops. i explore how all global economic system paved the way to a new author with art and with words, i document the ways that people are fighting with technology provide the solutions to all the tools we use to communicate and organize, become our undoing. all the always sleep global social
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dystopia was paul mean you share something, we're both people that are were deeply changed by 2011, a year of mass uprisings that spread from wisconsin to egypt to new york to greece, to syria. i got my start as a journalist, going down to zuccotti park where the occupy wall street protest encampment was and trying to draw the people there. you covered pretty much everything. so what about tell me what 2011 meant, paul? well, i think it was the rebirth of the anticapitalist imagination and i'd seen the imagination
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die. i was born in 1960. so my dad's generation coal miners, cotton spinners, very heavily trade unionized. there was much to and for me, the kind of death of imagination was about the soviet union collapsed. the never, i never cared of the soviet union old, most of people i knew who call themselves left wing. we cared about all ability to what sociologists call to have agency. we saw the ability of groups of people to change the world and then we saw that smashed. and then i'm covering the student protests here in london. and suddenly we sort of a new kind of person emerge where you realize you're witnessing a historic rebirth of something of a media it's, it's the imagination the abilities to say in your mind, this kind of capitalism isn't working. a carbon based economy isn't working dictatorship after dictatorship, suddenly looks illegitimate and weak and stupid and elderly. so we can change
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things. that's what i think it was. i mean, we both know because we covered it, you know, and we're right in the middle of it. the things went wrong with it, but to me it's a bigger moment than a 989 for the berlin wall is a bigger moment than 68. it's the turn of history back towards the possibility that everything you see, this window, this financially corrupt hierarchical world could one day be changed. thanks. in a way that favors people, beings was not some try to create a sort of utopia and microcosm. yet every single one of those squares, whether it was tough or your square in egypt, or whether it was you couldn't park was a place where they were trying out a new society. there was always a free kitchen and most importantly there was always a library, right? these are places where even in really sexist societies, women, you know, they stood as predators, right. and these places, they didn't just fizzle out. that's always the narrative. now they were violently
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smashed. they were murdered in some cases or in other cases like in my city, they were just beaten and you know, shoveled away with dump trucks. but the truth is that except in a few places like tunisia, the protests of 2011 that they did fail. and i want to ask why, why did they fail and did they fail? and i wrong, maybe challenge, but i don't, i think it's quite hard to succeed when your own armed and there are militarized police forces whose job it is to, to smush your head. i think they didn't, they didn't fail in this sense with what i noticed is that there was the network, the information network created a resilience, social psychologists know,, taught as if for the 1st time in maternity i.e., 400 years. we're back to a point where all minds can be hyper social with each other without having to stand in a public square and hold a meeting. so i think that's what was defeated. there was
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a sudden realisation that lost people. my generation thought, you know, these guys wandering around with the ear buds, you know, the white or individualized, and they're in a bubble and they don't care about anything else. but what we didn't realize is that the bubble was full of networked connections. and that's what i think the most profound impact of it was. i mean, most of us been profound for you because you're rod, it most clearly changed under the impact of having this iconic protest take place almost outside your door. it changed everything for me, occupy wall street felt like love, occupy wall street was the space where i found my political voice, where i realized that i could be smart, where i realized i could speak before occupy. i was an artist, a pretty well known artist in my world, but one who spent all of her time drawing in nightclubs, drawing the sort of rich hedge fund people who had destroyed the world and then
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drawn my glittering friends who danced for them and entertained them and i became a writer because of occupy i was arrested the 1st anniversary of i remember, i remember meeting me. you sent me a message of the pictures that you do, people and see that you've got your hands behind your back and looking pretty defiant. i was pretty defiant, i had a police officer, i'd grab me by the arm, pull me into the street and arrest me for blocking traffic. and my 1st piece of writing that ever really meant anything was an article about my arrest. and i wasn't angry because i had such a bad arrest. i didn't know what hit me. you know, it's certainly was a far easier arrest than you know, black and brown. people in america face every day for doing nothing. but i was just so angry at the lightness with which arrest was taken, such as violence was taken america and i wanted to write about it. and i didn't want to just sort of him to round things the way art can do, right? i wanted to say clearly what was wrong, and so that's, that's how i became a writer. on top of the writing, you worked on a collaborative book about what was going grease, the altar's self change,
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didn't it? but what i remember you did this big iconic series of paintings called shell game, where you basically reminded me of hieronymous bush only with only with under couplets cash. and there's lots and lots of figures in every wall that it all based around a big figure which it symbolizes something. and then a cloud of a crowd of protesters. and suddenly, the crowd is in, is almost like at the center of what you're drawing, an and then, and the drawings. they pick up the people real people pick up your drawings and hold them up from demonstration. i mean that this was cooler than any gallery. sure . i've ever had, i had artwork that i would be sketching things from occupied during the day. and then a few hours later they're be out on the streets being used as protesters. they just, they just printed them in exactly. iraq and iran are, you know, on the mouth and we're holding them. and you know, there's always this artificial dichotomy right between art, which is supposed to be terribly bad news for paree and, you know, politics, right?
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but i think both you and me are people that we have joined. there is 2 things. well, i mean the, for me as a news journalist at the time, i mean, remember i've been covering economics, i mean, and korea economics. and business is, you know, without wanting to criticize anybody who does it is boring. i mean, literally, you know, i mean, the structure of the world, it is, you go to join interrogated, but you know, one quarterly results after another. and, and, and then i'm standing on on 5th avenue in new york, outside lehman brothers at 9 am. and there are people carrying their goods in, in a paper box because the bank's gone bust and then the state, the american state steps in and saves capitalism. after 20 years. i remember i had to take this stuff, you know, lying down for 20 years. but the state has no role in the system and it was obvious to anyone that this form of capitalism was doing the way it changed. my journalism
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is on block to me. all my colleagues on newsnight used to say, we should say why we so stilted. why we saw on free in the way we speak, and we kind of whisper to each other. it's because we said, because every one of those fears that we're going to say, bush is a war criminal, live on air. more mature in ourselves will have more of a monitoring yourself, makes you kind of clench incirlik syria and suddenly 2008 made me realize this form of capitalism is doomed. one of the things that strikes me is how much of our present moment comes out of that year. that year of 2011, there is a new series of horizontal network protests, protests led by young people, led by queer people, led by women in puerto rico where my father is from one 3rd of the island, was out in the streets, protesting against the corrupt governor ricky rajjo, and they drove him out of power the 1st time this ever happened and what they can history. one, 3rd of people rights. there are protests in iraq that are being met with
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extraordinary violence by the state. but still young men and especially young women, are out in squares, you know, asserting their dignity, asserting their right to live in a country that is in the cup. talk recy. and people in power often assume that what is driving these things are either pure economics or you follow the no get over, it was what it was made, this repetitive pattern over and over again. how princes, 2011, the example of the, of lebanon, or the iraqi protest. it is people who are literally prepared just on the streets and be shocked because they can't see a future. but what is it that you think they want? dignity. i think people want to get a people of course, want decent jobs and they want to be fed. they want to power grid that works right . but above all, there's the sense of humiliation in puerto rico, people carried signs and they chanted about dignity, put that it had a hurricane 2 years ago called maria and 4000 people died in the aftermath and they
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didn't just die from like, you know, the storm or drowning that is that they died from neglect, from the neglect that was done by the american government to support the rico as a colony and from the neglect, by the corrupt local elite. and the spark that kicked off those protests was that the point that he can center for investigative journalism, published chats where ricky rowe say, oh, the governor, joe and his friends were joking about feeding the bodies of elderly people who died in the hurricane. vultures. and so you went and drew that really drew you to pause in some of the reconstruction. because because again, it's like flu is like bone, dry fluidity, isn't it? exactly? should lead a journalist? is an artist. surely an artist is the trying to really, you know, rewire the grid. you also feel like, i mean, when i went back,
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i hadn't been back since i was a little kid. right. and i hadn't been back since my grandparents died and i had not been as connected with that part of myself. and then when i saw not just that the hurricane, it happened. but like my friends, you know, in the mountains that they didn't have any like running water or power. they had to wait on line 20 hours for gas. i took the 1st flight, i could afford down the plane was entirely filled with other put the beacons and we were all carrying duffel bags filled with water filters and batteries and anything you can take us even if you're going to report like what sort of jerk shows have at their friend's house for their friend doesn't have any fresh food and where they have to get the water out of the side of the mountain and they don't bring anything to help. right. and for me, the thing that struck me the most was that what say of puerto rico and this is what i think will save all of us in times of collapse and climate change. it was the solidarity of people. it was not the state, it was not the n.g.o.s,
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it was not like rich people with a lot of money. it was people went to their elderly neighbors and they checked in on them and they set up mutual aid kitchens. they cleared roads with machetes, if they had to, they set up clinics. people went from, you know, town to town in puerto rico, to bring water. they set up a massive network of solidarity centers and was from the solidarity centers that the protests that overthrew the governor came, that it was from that not just the centers themselves, but also that, that was right. and we can do this. we have been abandoned, but we can do this. we have dignity, we have asserted our dignity by clear in our roads and feeding each other. so this play that i wrote called why it's kicking off everywhere, which is based on the book. i tried to do a sort of instant history of the way elites work, what to do about this explosion of hope and freedom. and they tried 1st of all censoring the internet. the next thing they tried was switching off the internet is what they wanted to. the next thing is that they do the kind of propaganda that
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doesn't work, but in the end, i think they came up with an ingenious solution which should have been what we should have expected because this information theory was a warm watch. sub is an information network most effectively is noise. exactly. and what they did is they said stop trying to just censor the stove. just fill the entire inforce fear full of rubbish. and what do we do about that menu in oral different ways of trying to tell something that some people call truth. what do we do about? it's something very hard, right? and my last book was about syria that i did with amazing syrian journalist murder when he and anyone who has reported on syria knows that there is an intense just information campaign where crimes by the assad regime have been proven over and over and over again. and yet, on social media, on the internet, there's just this attempt to flood that space with doubt and to sneer at
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journalists and 1st responders. right. and it's very dispiriting at 1st right to us, you know, people who are trying to report and i think for people who are trying to learn the truth, a lot of them just, they shrug their shoulders and they're like, everyone lies. it's all nonsense and they sort of tune out, however ice, think that sometimes one of the functions of art right art is to distill and what we need now is focus as well. and with that, i want to open up to questions. you have been talking about agency and the real technology. so i would like to ask, what is your take on the role of technology for agency and self-determination of oppressed groups. it's a very mixed thing. for example, american police have existed, they have murdered black people. this is something fundamental to america, and black people have reported on it and that black media has reported on it and white america has not believed them. right. and then suddenly there were cell phone
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cameras and suddenly there was social media. and suddenly it became absolutely impossible to ignore the way that american police murder black people. i do not think that an uprising like ferguson could have spread the way it did without social media. and i also don't think the movement for black lives could have spread without the constant documentation of, of these murders. right. on the other hand, the news of the ferguson protests spread outside of ferguson because of twitter and not because of facebook. and there's a very big reason for that, which is that at that time, twitter did not use algorithmic filtering and facebook did. and the facebook algorithm, privileged happy stories, and congratulations, it didn't privileged uprisings against murder by the state. now twitter is also, he's an algorithmic filtering system and the same tools that we used to communicate with each other that we used to organize and that we used to share truth can
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equally be used to turn us into like a bunch of numb loves dogs and leslie swiping for validation through our little glass boxes. and i think it's useful to realize that it's not if you are addicted to social media, if you find yourself in this, it's not that you're weak. it's not that you are you stupid? it's that these are deliberately designed to addict people. so i would say i want to answer a different way. one of the only advantages of being 60 years old, which i turned last month, is the i remember a time when gauges. he was normal. so i was surrounded by people him in my childhood, an young adult hood who believed that what they did had an effect on the world. and there's a, there's a strong reason for that because they defeated fascism in world war 2. and they built a welfare state in this country by, by wanting it when other people did. what i think happened in what we call the neoliberal era of the free market era, is that we started to treat the market as if it was
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a machine that controlled our lives. and what does it include? a lot of young people. they don't believe that anything they do could actually change the outcome of their life. it becomes like going to a casino, maybe i'm lucky and i win the x. factor or love allah or become a premiership football player. but if not, then it's just don't to look i find, i don't mean we shouldn't to do with technology is to do with our subordinates into the market for me. what one of the great things about what is happening and what information technology in that works does is that when you find, when you decide, i actually know i do have agency or people who went to the streets of turkey in 2030 and said no, we can actually, resist all the kind of reactionary stuff that is around us. suddenly, the 1st weapon that you have is in, from, is, is information technology. that's why i think going forward, the, the social media and the networks is based on all
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a huge battle ground. and everybody on that battle needs to come clean about which side they're on, i think. and all the owners of these big platforms need to decide whether they're going to sit there and defend hierarchy, or whether they're going to defend and facilitate the agency of ordinary people. it's, it's, it's that you could almost say that is the question of the next 25 years. i'm originally from chile doujin been a shit. he burned books and paint over all demeanor and, and is now it need a government is i literally withdrawing some inconvenient books from the queue weekly. so my question is, why it's art and all in all its expression. so fear by dictators and their political air. i would maybe start by quoting on the who diaries line
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about the fear of conquerors from memory. the purpose of a tyrant, right is to make anything else unimaginable. the 1st dictatorship is the dictatorship in your mind that makes a different sort of rule, something unthinkable. and what art does is it breaks you out of that mental prison art lets you think that there is another way that people could live, that they could be, that they could interact another sort of country that they could be in. and it doesn't have to be political art to do that. it doesn't have to be propagandistic. it doesn't have to be set written by the same type of people or set in the same type of country. but just by virtue of being good at art, it makes you imagine other possibilities and that, that imagining of other possibilities. that is what tyrants and conquers fear. i think i would add to that the so i was in greece, reporting at a quite depressed time of you know, of
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a time when people didn't have much hope between the rising in the 2015 when the left came to power. and you'd be in a bar and yeah,, i would be angry and they want to do graffiti on t., fascist graffiti. and. and some guy was murdered by the fascists. you want to go and want to protest. and then some women came in dressed in like like the best, the most polite way. i can put it as victorian sex workers, sex workers. from the 1900 centuries, they looked similar tenuously, beautiful, but slightly kind of, you know, slightly light destroyed. and, and they started singing songs from the 2nd world war that were resistance songs. but what they were, charlie do what their art did is it brought this multi-layered in us so that, so that some young person realizes what's going on in my life is historic. it has an outcome, it can create beauty even to the hole in the most horrible depths of despair and poverty, and hunger and repression. i think that is what this does. that's what makes me
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want to engage both with the artists who do this kind of thing. and also to constantly bring to journalism and writing that quality that all will have the hemingway odd the martha girl or we, you know, we call reports are literary nonfiction. there is a literary ness toward the great writers of the thirty's who cover the rise of anti fascism did. and i think all those of us who want to be good journalists can do is try to emulate that desire to put it a sheen of hope and possibility on to what we write. the only thing that it's the politics of hate is the politics of solidarity. i'm worried that the crisis of the self has a lot more energy to play on all of these, these divisions of the working class. all of these equations are working to and
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they keep us from realizing our covert. 19 is indiscriminate, but it quickly found the racial divisions in american society because of the pandemic. is a rufio lurk of america's true dog in the racially segregated city of chicago. the majority of deaths have been black and latino residents. faultlines asks why i think it's become entirely clear. and if there is such a thing as structural racism, the great divide with 19 and race in chicago on al-jazeera. there is a huge group of people at work behind our screen and the power they have is massive . that urge to keep swiping through your twitter feed. that's just not the way we all click. i agree to the terms and conditions. that's most of us never even give it a 2nd floor. and actually that's designed as well. ali re-explore is how designers
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are manipulating the t.v. or in the final episode, all hail the algorithm on the jersey and we know what's happening. i read and we know how to get them. they feel that others cannot at 1st and then i'm going on the way that you tell the story isn't what can make a difference. and the top stories are just there. donald trump has suffered another cold, lost his attempt to overturn the results of the us presidential election. a district court judge in pennsylvania has thrown out a lawsuit filed by the trump campaign which sought to exclude millions of 1000000 ballots in the states. the judge issued just scathing ruling saying it failed to provide evidence of voter fraud. the charm campaign has now lost all withdrawn, dozens of similar lawsuits. u.s.
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health officials are urging people not to trouble for the thanksgiving holidays, but says the country's apostles' 12000000 cases. european countries are also moving to curb soaring infections with domestic travel ahead of the holiday season. iran too is struggling to contain a 3rd wave of corona virus infections. well, thora sees a closing down most businesses and comping down on travel between major cities to contain the spread. covered 19 is also dominating the virtual g. 20 summit hosted by saudi arabia. leaders of the world's 20 biggest economies are expected to played support to poor countries by the distribution of vaccines medicines and police of cash with antigovernment protesters in guatemala, 100 storm, the congress building and set it on fire offices fighting against the demonstration when its violence has more protesters have kept
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confronting the police after security forces moved in to move them away from congress after this fire was seen shooting out of a window from building from congress building in guatemala city. and all this is part of this growing demonstrations against the president against chronographs for passing this budget deal that cuts many social subsidies benefits to people while increasing other bad if it's for lawmakers. nationwide demonstrations are taking place in chile, demanding the release of hundreds of people arrested during protests for social reform. over the past year, the united nations is accusing the government of using detention as a political weapon. those the headlines. the news continues here on out there. studio b. unscripted you've
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been on the road in support of bernie sanders presidential primary campaign. obama had the whole hope change thing didn't he? but bernie, it is more nitty gritty. it's more sort of it's more life and death about isn't it? well, bernie doesn't. he doesn't say, i hope he says work. and then on the road with bernie, i've been speaking at some of the rallies and i've been documenting it by, by drawing the campaign. i've also just been volunteering a lot. i was in nature housing, which is a government subsidized housing for low income people in new york, knocking on doors. and let me tell you every single person, if we knocked on their doors, there was one of 2 responses. one is politics is garbage. i don't vote because i might as well throw my vote into the trash. this is so stupid. and the other one
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was i'm voting for bernie sanders. bernie sanders is someone who comes out of movement politics and at every single rally. he says, no president, however good is actually going to be able to do this on their own. they can't do it on their own. what i need to get things done, and also to keep me honest, right, is to have movements of people out in the streets, putting pressure on the government to get things done. people aren't voting for him as a sort of abnegation of responsibility. and they're voting for him because he has an incredible record of consistency. and you pretty much know that he is who he says he is, and he's going to try to do the things that he says he's going to do. and they're going to keep fighting for him to do that. one of the images in 2011 that that sticks with me is the passive voice. germ of the they show him, they show him the figure, 99 percent to the headquarters of the rise. the rise a building, and they go, you did it in the illuminator, you know,
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the illuminator they go, did that give me this big thing about? it's here they really kind of cool american action. keep saying like it's, it's, it's like it's like bruce wayne, man, you say it's like batman only there is no, but he said to me, they're almost superheroes. the only superhero is going to save us is all selves. and that's what that $99.00 means. it's the 99 percent no than them became politics, didn't it became corbin here. it became series or in greece, which failed it called and failed. what do we do to stop as it were this new, horizontal network activist, left politics, just becoming the kind of last gasp of something, what we do to make it go somewhere. i think that horizontal network politics based on occupation. it's like love, that's what i said, right?
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it's like love and you don't make a marriage out of just the 1st gasps of passion, right? it's something else too. you need a lot of writer washing up as well. you have to do it. you have to do the washing up as well. it's you need, you need the love, right? need that passion needed to get started, but you also need structure and you need leaders and you need organizations. and especially these when the adversaries that are, are rated against you are so well funded and are so organized and are so internationalist like there is a fascist internationalism. and i think we are a moment where it's impossible to see beyond it. going either you said fascism and people sometimes go away. yeah, fascism. i think fascism is around a guy killed in february, kurdish people in germany because he was a fascist. the something like 200000 people in brazil self identify as hitler supporters. we have to, i mean the stakes are bernie, and the man you confronted in it in was a d by the, by donald trump. he's not
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a fascist but, but he is, as you say, enabling an international alliance of people who want to be violent, organized, racists, and misogynists. so i suppose what in there's an almost no point how many discussion like this of us, we actually do confront the question, what are we supposed to do about this? the only thing that it's the politics of hate is the politics of solidarity. the more the people can be sliced up into groups like them, citizen, you know, citizen, illegal alien. all of these, these divisions of the working class, all of these divisions of working people, they keep us from realizing our collective power and there is a greater enemy that's pitted against all of us. and the only way that we can overcome these divisions is a thier solidarity that acknowledges the different oppressions that we face. but that makes us fight for each other. i mean, to me,
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in my book of call it the crisis of the neo liberal self. you could say, in layman's terms, the crisis of the kind of pretty people we became in 30 years of worship in the market. it is quite an easy spillover for me if you, if you believe the market benign lee controls your life and it's impossible to 2nd guess it and you can't go against it. everything the government does has to be approved by the market. no, to me, it's a no brainer that if you a bay the market for 30 years and you begin to worship it and believe it has power over your life, then it fails. you know, the machine blows up in 2008. it's a logical thing. people say, what else is there who i can obey? for me, that's that, that's the deep thing. so for me, solidarity can go 2 ways i spent, you know, a lot of the end of last year 2019. campaigning for labor party or in the u.k. general election, and i'm in a lot of other people for, well, if we mention the fact that there's a long queues at the emergency room and british or spittles then,
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and the government is responsible, then that's one of our issues and we go to doorsteps. an almost like 5050, people say, yeah, it's terrible. the conservatives cut the health service. all the people say, yeah, it's terrible. those long queues in the emergency room because of the people who were there, the brown people, the issue of being people. and also the english people who are not deserving to be that who have gone because they've got the, there's a myth that poor people go to hospital because because they're soft, you know, because they can't take pain. so i'm worried, i'm worried the, that this crisis of the self has a lot more energy to play out. i want to segue a little bit to talking about refugees. we're living at a time where an unpleasant amount of people are being forced to leave their homes 1st by war, but also by climate change, right? people literally will have to leave their homes to avoid dying. and country is that
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our countries that are, you know, safer or that are unscathed by climate change will have a choice, right? and that choice will either be to allow free movement into their countries or to set a concentration camps and in europe and in america. the answer has been to set up concentration camps in america, their concentration camps of renault's that are holding children, children who are refugees from central america. right? and once a society sets of concentration camps and whether or not you argue that society is fascist, when it sets them up, it is going to become fascist. you cannot set up concentration camps. you cannot kill people at borders without it rotting your soul. i went to morocco before this, the height of the refugee crisis, but when it was when one of the main routes was to the mediterranean and
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interviewed sub-saharan african migrants who lived in absolutely worst conditions i've ever seen anybody live in because it was a combination of violence by the arab population, against them, and an extremely poor, the poorest in a poor country was poor that way. and i remember cinema in a patch of ground with some, some bricklayer's from new jersey. and they said, why do you come, you know, i mean, come to new jersey and find out, you know, to be, were places where the us can be both the most disrupted places by climate change. the very fragile ecology we in the developed will have to get used to the fact that they are coming and they're not. and that they are human beings. everywhere we go, we find the university of human existence be under threat. that's what for me, you know what my work is taking direction of a cold radical human ism, but basically the idea that we have to defend the university of humanist, i think some of the most fundamental things that we've taken for granted. no,
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i'm just a mylar in my parents' lives life after the war are no under threat. i mean you greet us. the stakes were kind of facing. absolutely. i mean, where living at a time where someone with a good passport like me or you can travel freely across the earth, you know, guzzling carbon as we do. and someone with a bad passport is in turn on the island and lesbos and forced says sleep in a tent in the mud in the snow to the point where like kids freeze to death, right. i mean, that's like a fundamental statement that the global water has made that people with rich passports are human, and people who have bad passports and don't have money to, you know, buy extenuating circumstances. are not human in new york are a few weeks ago. there was an raid by immigration police on latino family. and in the course of the raid at the immigration police ice shot
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a man in the face who was not a man. they were even looking for people from all around new york came and they surrounded the hospital and of course they were shoved away and there weren't enough of them. and when there aren't enough of you, it's easy for the police to shove your way. but if there are more of them, if there were more of them, that would be what would change things. i'm hugely prostrated by the limitations of politics. see politicians in this country all too low to say that one of the reasons that people so enthusiastically voted for bush johnson was that he gave them permission to be racist. this is a guy who says because called kamel citizens grinning piccaninnies and says that muslim women were in the should all like letterboxes. no, no. and, you know, apparently caused a spike in racist attacks when you wrote these things and said them. but if you
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can't admit the what the politics is doing is giving people permission to be racist . if you have to, they're there, it doesn't matter. you're not really racist. you're never going to be able to break through. what frustrates me about politics is it's euphemistic nature even though everyone's trapped in a euphemism. and i want to, i this huge desire to break out of it towards a thing called truth. i mean, in the american context, come to happen. there's a difference between an intellectual and politician, a politician's job is to get as many votes as they can so that they can get into power. and very often, the way that you get as many votes as you can, is you avoid saying that perhaps people didn't just vote for a man who says that he'll deport all the mexicans in america just because they had economic anxiety. you know, so you think you think like me, the whole economic exotic thing is just an excuse. i think it's more complicated than that. i think that there is also a lot of economic anxiety environment, berlin and also people are anti semites when they're willing to blame their
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economic anxiety on the jews. i think that in america, it was proven that it wasn't actually people who were poor, who were even white people who were poor, who were voting for trump. and that people who voted for trump a bit more money than people who voted for clinton. i think that people do have a fear of downward mobility that's based on real things, but i'm with you about the limits of politics. and then there's another limit of politics, which is the limits set by the climate, like even the last politician in the world cannot actually undo all of the damage that we've already done to the planet that will cause us to lose so many of the treasures of this world, and so in addition to politics, right, in addition to someone trying to win votes, you also have to make the world better yourself. and that's something that you do with your hands and your neighbors, right? and then as an artist or as a journalist,
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you're allowed to say things that photons of politicians can't but with, i think we should go to the next round of q. and a he wants to ask a question. hi. so i'm with him push ality being one of the kipp pillars of journalism. and both of you are journalists and both a few have strong political stances. so on that, how does your activism fit your jock as fighters? and do you still think that the media can and should strive for an impression to today? i think that very often what has been called impartiality is actually an aesthetic where someone speaks in a measured voice and they wear a grey suit. but if you look at it, if you look at how they report things, you can see that it's anything but impartial. for instance, police in america have been proven to lie again and again about what happens when they shoot someone. yet statements by police are taken as fact by the impartial
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media and they're not viewed as statements that come from a group that frequently lies. and that is a sort of bias that is hidden by the gray suit and the neutral voice. i think that the duty of a journalist is to truth. and sometimes when you say the truth, that sounds biased, right? sometimes when you say the truth, you use strong and passionate words because that is what truth is. but for me, i just trouble to get it right. i don't wear grey suits. i mean, i was, i would say if you work for a state broadcaster, or a publicly funded broadcaster in this country and in the united kingdom, you have a statutory duty to be impartial. i mean, and i quit because i don't think that's the primary attribute of journalism. and so i want to be able to tell the truth by saying, look, for example, truth trump has said racist things. it's also true that our prime minister boris
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johnson repeatedly lied about things. so if i want to say, boris johnson is a liar, try saying it twice saying even if you are a guest on the b.b.c. or on regulated news, let alone a reporter been a party's on a freedom be in a partisan of of the struggle against fascism and racism, and xenophobia, and horribly violent miso, journey, which is coming our way from your country into europe. millions of pounds are being spent by misogynist groups. no, no. i want journalists to stand there on the front line. that's what we're supposed to do. i'd like to just go back to a very interesting moments in your conversation when people asked what can we do about fascism? and then molly spoke very movingly in powerfully about the title. there are now concentration camps without borders. it seems to me that is the question at the moment. you talked a lot about the desired spring truth into the public sphere. but how can we,
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when we faced with the kind of noise that you were talking about earlier, the insane climate of racism in the areas? how can we bring that truth really into the public eye and actually make a difference or it people need to put their bodies on the line. and by this, i don't mean large ceremonial permitted marches where, you know, you go to like the center of the city and you hold your like, or sign and you go home even though those marches are awesome, like nothing, no, no, no slight to them. but the things that have actually stopped fascist policies and in america for instance, the muslim ban was a 1st stop. was people going to the airports and taxi drivers going on strike right? taxi drivers who are large, they muslim immigrants in new york themselves. when people are willing to put their bodies in the line and peacefully use their bodies to stop the machinery of fascism . that is what works in my opinion. well look,
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i would just add to that memory is important to some of the 1st people in europe. who did that with the dutch, the workers. well, most of them who went on strike and destroy, you can go to the museum and see that the mimeographed leaflet. and he says they're trying to take the jews of amsterdam with striking, i mean we object to for the history of the struggle against fascism. those are called big heroic moments. and then, and then we forget the rest of it. these were ordinary people. and why i come to conclusion, is that what happened in the 1930 s. was the emergence of something you could call anti fascist morality. it's not just politics. it was a deep seated, almost incandescent hope filled desire to what you did just said put your body between a fascist and their objective. so i think it is that and how ironic is it that the in america with program we were in america. if we said anti fascism, that's almost because it, with terrorism interims lexica anti far,
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is it he calls them terrorist anti fascists? no of think about that because all the people you celebrate from the movie casablanca, right? through to the history of the watergate. so they were anti fascists. the other thing that i would say is that the more people, the more numbers of people are involved in something the last risk there is for anyone else. so how do we stop fascism? it's massive amounts of people and people not just from the targeted group, it can't just be their responsibility. right. but people from the groups that's like the majority group that privilege or powerful group mass numbers of those people peacefully, peacefully putting their bodies into the, into the sort of spokes of the machinery of fascism trip. that if i may just jump in as well, i think there is a little bit of it that we couldn't. we mustn't exonerate the so-called liberal center. the liberal center in importance aren't the german philosopher described
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fascism as when i use this term, i'm criticized. no, she described as the alliance of the elite and the more, i don't think this is what we're seeing across western society. rick perry, rich people, and very angry, poor people, allied in favor of racist misogynist politics. the lesson of the amount you thought is the issue just wrong the lawyers. but the only thing that works against is an alliance of the center and the left with the centers go to want to be part of the alliance. exactly where they were. they overcome the cynicism and say, you know what, i'm going to function. so i walked in the general election doing social media. and i think an overwhelming frustration is, you know, how, how is this engagement going to translate into votes about it? books, algorithms shave a certain content and we exist in bubbles online. and i guess my question to you is have we overestimated social media, whether it be from 2011 in the arab spring, and even in terms of the,
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the upkeep of activism through black lives matter as well. i think a social media is incredibly important. it's just not the only thing and it's also, it's sometimes important in indirect ways. for instance, every single journalist is on twitter and they're all narcissistically checking their mentions all of the time. so if you have a story that you know is very, very important that those journalists would not typically cover. probably twitter is a really good way to get them to cover it, right. and then that will break it outside of the algorithmic bubble that we find ourselves trapped in. social media is also a really good way to mobilize your bubble of volunteers to actually leave their homes and knock on doors and speak to other people that aren't in your bubble. it's good for some things, but it cannot be the only thing. what we haven't explored the limits of what human beings can do in squares and streets together in a single hour. in cairo, in 2011, people went from saying bread is too expensive to we want freedom,
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don't wear the government, the people demand before all of the regime. i think all of the world, the people really do demand the fall of the regime. and they know the regimes don't form into that. they fall in, in scrappy, concrete, strewn streets, full of tear gas. that's where we're humans for an hour. i am convinced that large numbers of regimes will fall in the next 10 years. and i hope it comes quicker. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. so we were asked to give in then thought, well we have to give in after you are then for because the end is coming near. you want to give us with hammered on a lot about truth about art and about solidarity and about the things that only humans can do. and the final thought is that as the world is burning around us, and as all of these terrible politicians are clinging on to power. and as you know,
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grassroots revolutions are being crushed. we need to reconnect with ourselves and our friends, and our family and the physical world and with our hands. because if climate collapse happens, when disaster happens, the networks will not work anymore. the cell phones won't work, the social media will all be down. and the only saying that you actually have to count on is the people that are around you, and the things that you can all do together yourselves with your own hands and bodies. and of all i can add to that is i come from a left tradition that fought it hard time. rosa luxemburg, the german revolution. he said, the revolution marches to victory through a series of defeats. and martin luther king said the arc of the universe is long, but it tends towards justice. but it's not long anymore. we've only got 30 years to decarbonize the planet. so that ingrained mentality that we on the left have had that we, we might be defeated this time, but all children know, oppressed peoples,
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always say that only of children will avengers they more nor the we've got probably 30 years is a critical 30 years. and i hope that everyone as engaged with politics as you clearly are in this audience. take strength from that because we can actually, we can really wish to this plan. thank you. thank you. frank lee, the collapse that roshan of our institutions began on facebook and i realized i was working for something that was evil. and i had been a part of actually creating it. it's like they invited people to their house and they gave everyone guns and said it's the wild, wild west,
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to be cold enough. a snow in toronto, the following weather, briefly quite quiet, to see the sunshine dominate. i think temps might start to rise to wrong too, as all the got rain, sleet, or snow on sunday, and then probably just rain showers on monday for it cools down again. if it chooses, its fairly consistently fairly cold and that cold air will reach new york and d.c. later on monday, following weather and surprisingly, some snows, fossils. colorado, on the high ground rain on the coasts of the pacific, but only in oregon. not yet for the south. the concentration on heavy rain in central america, in the immediate future is more light because to rica and panama. but this blue here indicates rather a persistent onshore breeze and it's humid weather. so over the existing flood damage in honduras and parts across a mile of there is more rain to come on monday. so significant rains for a good part of brazil, but for the southwest of brazil and for your acquire in paraguay,
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