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training, it's not easy, but from god. so we have to support he he said to compete in the field, the online world cadets and youth rapid championship this week. and although he's weak internet connection, the toe may cost him critical minutes. the game pushchair remains confident. like so many prodigies before him, he says his chess pieces have given you a sense of purpose and hopefully a wee bit of poverty. dugan al-jazeera manila. welcome back a look at headlines now. a scientist at the center of iran's nuclear program has been assassinated near the capital tehran, the vehicle carrying mawson factories are there was ambushed by gunmen in the city of upside. he died later in hospital. iranian officials, including the fondness and homage of odds, are if suspect israel was behind the attack. they not provided any evidence. the
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military commander promised to retaliate and make those responsible regret. he says, their actions as a bag has more from tehran. the defense minister said to me has been speaking and now he has shed some more light. on the incident, he said the gunman opened fire around 10 to 15 seconds later a bomb exploded, which was on back on the back of a truck and then the gunfire. continued there was an exchange of gunfire, not 2 of most in fockers are, these gods were injured. he was also injured. he was taken to hospital but died a short while later. now we're also hearing from fars news agency, which is the 7th official news agency here that one of the gods was also killed. well now to the, the government of ethiopia has denied that the prime minister has rejected talks with 2 grain leaders. 3 african union, special envoys met in addis ababa. he told them he'd only speak to representatives operating legally in the region. a day ago the army was ordered to carry out
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a final phase of its offensive and move in on to graze regional capital. thousands of indian farmers have marched on the capital, new delhi, after 3 days of breaking through police barricades on state borders. they want the government to repeal laws that could end a guaranteed prices for their pro-choice. french president says he's shocked by video showing police in paris, beating up a black music producer. the incident has resulted in an investigation and the suspension of 4 offices in a mass rally has been held in iraq's capital baghdad in a show of support following his bid to run in parliamentary elections. next june, thousands of people gathered in tahrir square, which was once the focus of anti-government protests coming up next on our up front .
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she's an author, the recipient of a multitude of international awards and a former u.s. vice presidential candidate. we talked to renowned environmentalist and didn't his rights activist when i would do the 1st, it's led to the largest protest. poland has seen in decades. we discussed the country's controversial move to all but ban abortion for more than a month, poland has been swept by the biggest protests the country has seen since the fall of communism. hundreds of thousands of demonstrators rallied in more than 500 cities and towns after poland's constitutional tribunals effectively outlawed
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abortion. and they're directing their anger towards the governing right wing law and justice party. but will the protesters demands be able to prevail in this traditionally catholic country? and is poland on the brink of a revolution? joining me to debate this are caroline of acorah, political editor of the polish weekly call torah liberal. now an assistant professor at the university of warsaw and possibly blonsky deputy foreign minister and member of the law and justice party. thank you both for joining me in the arena . pavol, i want to start with you. it's been about a month now since poland's constitutional tribunals issued a ruling which would effectively ban abortion once implemented. it would prohibit abortion, even in cases where there is a fetal defect. why make this move? now? decision doesn't affect simply on all abortion, because the law provides for allows for abortion in case of threats for life or health of the mother. also in case of rape or incest,
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what effectively changed here is stance. the constituent tribunal ruled in accordance with previous trolling should in the last 20 years, the fetal defects that are not fatal, for example, down syndrome and other non lethal syndromes, should not constitute a permission for abortion services based on protection of life of people with disabilities. that's more or less the legal reasoning behind this. why now doctors the decision of the constitutional tribunal, it's the courts, the sides, the legality of lot of village. it seemed good form it. so your laws, which would the constitution karolina. why do you think this is happening? now just to be clear, the status quo is that abortion is allowed in cases where the mother's health is at risk, rape, or incest. and in cases where there is a fetal defect, why do you think this is happening now? of course is right when he says it's not
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a complete ban on abortion because there are 2 other cases in which are pushing this to illegal in poland. but you have to remember that according to the data i'm aware, leave from 997 only 1000 legal abortions have been performed in our country . and a vast majority of those abortions was actually due to the severe defect or malformation of defeat this. and this tragic case is now illegal, so it's a practical complete ban on abortion because if you're talking about these 2 percent or something, of course they are still legal, but it's very marginal. so i do believe the scope of protests came as a surprise for the law and justice party. but i do believe that there was an actual want to the action, namely the situation with you and me with
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a couple $1000.00 come to me in poland. is looking quite serious. you're saying as a distraction. is that what you're saying? i mean, you know, when you look at the liberal populist governments oh, around the world, reach for religion when they want to basically steer emotions, make people choose. it's very testy. you can, you have other examples like for example, that said are to go on a respect realizing, i guess. so we are right now. why now you have, you can, i don't know it's trump posing cute photos with the bible again and wine in a certain role. and so what i'm saying is this is using religion in the world to divert attention from something else. ok, so let me put that to pavol. so carolina saying basically you're igniting a cultural issue, maybe to distract from other things. so i want your response to that, and i'm also curious, what is your reaction to how much pushback you're gaining and why are you doing it?
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so i d's conspiracy theory since there are actually very different conspiracy theories on the reasoning on the particular moment. and one theory says that this was a planned destruction from the pandemic. another one asserted that this now that we are so we were shut in this surprised somehow. so dismiss, couldn't have been planned. when says that constitutional court, it's political will of the ruling party. the other one is that, so what are your original suppose acts in and then you know contradiction? well, all of them can be true at once. that's for sure. for any i doubt he'd done believe any of those because if we look at the jurisprudence of the court again and they are older and this is, this has been very interesting phenomenon over the course of these last couple of weeks that this has been attacked from many angles,
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but the legal angle that isn't trying to, in the constitution, that there is a right to life. and there is no limitation of rights to life also and on. that also covers the feet. so period of human life is legally protected. so i want to ask you about this, a constitutional try being all, some can say it is actually a puppet for your party. that has denied opposition appointed judges the right to take the seats in the court. earlier this year, the president signed a law forbidding judges from even criticizing government changes to the judiciary around the same time that a number of retired judges of the constitutional tried and all to clear that it had virtually been abolished. so you keep saying that this is coming from the judiciary, but how can you expect people to have any faith and the integrity of the judiciary with all those things i just said, i hear and we keep hearing these all humans, of course, for the last place here is actually the week our government took over 5 years ago.
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there are already were 1st claims of illegality of luck, who legit them as they should not discover many of these elections. and so when we hear the statements that never are so democrats are accusing. we have such degree of political control of one party. this is completely falls. this is entirely false . if anyone just knows basics of poland, newest news history, and i am perfectly sure that kelly knows that. and up until 2015, there was a liberal party in government with a president with old and new support and good, but just public media also problem. then there was problems with full control also over the coals in the constitution. of course, there was full majority. i think 13 or 14 judges at the time were not so you have are you saying this is an example of years ago when in poland this is just the liberal propaganda against because they simply were not never able to accept the results of them. think election. ok,
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so what about that carolina pavol saying this is politics, this is the way it is. other parties have done it. other people have done it. what do you say to that? so if i'm using arguments here and and all the time or every time i say something i hear, does i use construct of theories or liberal propaganda. apologies, but it is impossible to have a dialogue this way. now, i am not saying about democracy before 2015 has not been flawed in poland. in fact, i am one of those persons and you know it very well. i believe that hell luminously set that some of the beats of the law and justice regarding the rule of law are, are on a bigger skoal on a bigger scale flaws that have been present before the forward to tell us will be seen. and in fact, going to lay an egg if i want to. i want to just get in here because i want you to
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speak to this as well as your talking about this. people knew what the law and justice party or about they knew this, they had an opportunity to not vote for them. and they did. do you mean in 2015 or 2019? because the fort to exist and 15 alone just is that and wrong with the slogan. all we are going to change the whole polish judiciary. well, you couldn't, you know if we don't, people know if they believe in the main elements of a, my, people know the position of the law and justice party on abortion. yes, of course. i do believe that people, when, of course, when one read the program very carefully of law and justice, then people would perhaps understand that the aim of the law and justice is to reform the judiciary for example. but the medicine that is being used for reforming or changing that should be sharing this occasional system, etc, etc. it's simply not working because the only the only structure or performing
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those reforms is simply changing the people. and this is nothing, and this has nothing to do with reforming institutions. pavol, i want to put something to you about these protests. the deputy prime minister said this about the demonstrations that have been happening and that the demonstrators are committing a serious crime. he called these clashes with protesters, a war despite the fact that they have been largely was unfair. it wasn't him. no, it's actually, it's actually the crime for the protester. this is war, or also forgive my excuse, my french get them out. there's the open language. they have been used. ok, so anything. so i mean i'm going to just, i mean are you saying i'm going to end it now? so your terms and some sound the same for one action. the quote from the deputy
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prime minister is he call the ongoing clashes a war despite the fact that they have been largely peaceful. he has called for conservatives to defend poland, and he's basically accusing protestors of committing serious crimes. that is a very odd way to talk about the right of protesters in a democracy, is it not? so when we hear from the very presence that we shoot and they said, get out in the much, much harder language. when we see the police being it's, our church is being attacked and when the protesters are actually crying, this is war and much they're going to protesters were. so when we hear the reaction to it was most of all people that were protecting churches from being devastated. and this was a natural reaction. this is a very common tactic, those to single out a few isolated incidents when there are thousands of people protesting peacefully that that's, that's
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a common thing to do and it doesn't really characterize what the president isolated then it's being said, why do the leaders of these protests, if they incentivize people to violently, they incentivize people to believe it's ok. so what does that does not ising what i want each of the stroke? i want carolina to comment on this, on these protests, there have been significant numbers of women in these, protests carolina leading these protests against their governments for not just about abortion, but for, for greater human rights. this is happening in a lot of countries around the world over the past few years. bellerose turkey,, thailand, sudan, nigeria, even in the u.s., how would you characterize what it is you're seeing with women being on the forefront of so many of these protests and these issues? well, you have to freshly understand that those protests have been changing with time. so it is true that at the very beginning of the protests where very much a field with the rage and yes boger words were there. and i do believe that those
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were imposed on or, and saw towards fireworks trauma, the police and so on. i didn't interrupt you so those words were there and people were extremely, if you're us, i would like to underline people because we all say that these are we meant protesting. but then fuck those are men and women. many young people have joined the protests and the protests be game became something a much more white us for they are subject. so this has become a whole movement of protest against the law and just as government. but if i ask you properly, if there is the march of independence every year in warsaw and some people are going peacefully and some people are throwing stones and doing and saying, bugger words. should they them think that all the troops in poland are nationalists
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and fascists? you surely would say no, because there are some groups that are doing this, but you surely do not think it's acceptable. so i do believe you look at the protests have been changing. i think it's extremely important to grasp that this is a new generation that has been using of course, ample, good words. but also welcomed was mentioned also some other philosophical names. and i do believe it's extremely important because as far as i heard comments from your us with cartoons can also other connotations of law and justice. i do believe that their definition of politics is from the 1990 s. . and they do not understand this new generation that has been raised in a free and independent country, or they sure have out of the world's attention right now. absolutely. that that will have to be the final word carolina, the gora pavol, you blonsky. thank you so much for joining us for this discussion. thanks as climate disasters continue
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to ravage the earth. indigenous people have been standing on the front lines of the climate crisis suffering from the most devastating impacts of climate. i'm a change from one doris to india. they've been leading the fight against environmental destruction, but leaders heed their call to me to discuss this is indigenous rights activists and economists. when all do, she's a member of the, on a nation and lives on the white earth reservation in minnesota. well, duke has been a 2 time us brain party, vice presidential candidate, and as executive director of the group on earth, the earth forthcoming book is titled to be a water protector and will be released this december when i thank you for joining me on friday. so according to an environmental n.g.o.s, global witness, 2019 was a terrible year for environmental activists around the world. apparently that was a record year and the number of them that were killed a 3rd of those fatal attacks targeted specifically indigenous people who make up
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less than 5 percent of the world's population. can you explain why so many indigenous activists are being targeted and killed because we live in the places where the wild things are. we live in the places where they want to put d.m. projects, mining projects through the pipeline project. the remaining biodiversity is in order here in chile, then we are on the front lines to protect those because. 'd we have no plan to go for gold, that is our life. that is our land where we come from. and so we are targeted because we are out of sight and out of mind. and for frankly, hundreds of years they've been killing if you have people. but the rate has increased dramatically in the last couple of years with these big mining projects and big projects. ok, let's talk about indigenous women specifically in the us and digitas women are murdered rates, more than 10 times higher than the us average. and canada, they are 12 times more likely to go missing or killed that any women in the country . why is that? long, history of colonialism, a long history of taking of, you know,
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people in indigenous, women killing, you know, for granted. and you know, we are certainly have been victims of abuse traders for all of these years. we live in isolated areas and then they bring in these big mining projects and pipeline project manager. and that's where the elevated rates of violence and rape occur is the result of the fossil fuels. ringback industry in the mining companies just take the case of north dakota where they brought in all of the fracking companies and all of the fractures, and you saw a huge increase in violence in and out in violent crimes integrate. and so there was a very clear connection in north dakota with the fracking industry in the oil industry and engages on violence against women. and so what we know is that south, what happens, you bring it all these guys, all these guys into our communities. and they go after us and let's talk more about the exploitation of indigenous peoples and how it does often go hand in hand with
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the exploitation of the earth we saw with the dakota access pipeline in the u.s. back in 2016. right, so there were protesters sustained protests at this pipeline at standing rock, met with extraordinary police violence. hundreds of people were injured and that there was actually a private company that was hired by the pipeline company to suppress the protests. they were counterterrorism tactics used, and there were people to compare the water protectors to promote jihad is. are you worried about the types of military techniques that are used to suppress what is said 1000000000 protected, civilian dissent at home. you know, in, in the case of minnesota line 3 pipeline was just approved as part of the agreement approving line 3 was that ambridge would pay for the police. and so what we have now is a comedian multinational corporation who is handing off assistance in the form of actual physical pieces of equipment to the police. in minnesota,
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we've seen the influx of an m. rap in northern, minnesota. that's a mine resistant, armored personnel carrier. we're deeply concerned after having been veterans of standing with the very $8000000.00 of military repression. we expect to be unleashed to benefit embryo in northern minnesota against thousands of people who oppose the pipeline. every 1000 people have opposed emberton pipeline to many of us are women and children. and we are expecting them for an assault of military equipment under people. more about and bridge this line 3, as it's called, it is in the state of minnesota where you live and for viewers who don't know what we're talking about. this is a nearly 2000 kilometer crude oil pipeline that's going to link canada to the united states. as you said, it has been met with strong resistance from people in the area who do not want this project. they say it's going to contaminate drinking water in the environment all on indigenous territory. tell us more about what your concerns are about how it will affect your community. and are you hopeful that maybe some of these permits
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that have already been approved can be pulled. this makes no sense to prove a tarzan pipeline in the middle of a pandemic and in the middle of its time when the world is burning. i mean, the fact is that this pipeline is the equivalent of adding 50 new coal fired power plants in a time when the entire west coast have been on fire and climate change related disasters are devastating our world. this should not happen. so when you talk about the fact that this is happening in the middle of a pandemic, there are people who support labor, who union union is rather who would say this actually is the best time because the pandemic is having such a bad effect on the economy. in particular, the teamsters union and the laborers international union, very powerful unions have been very vocal about supporting this project. so what do you say to people who say that projects like this create jobs and communities in particular, enbridge has said that this will create about 6500 jobs. what do you say to people
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who want these jobs? who need these jobs? 1st 4200 workers are being imported. those are jobs for minutes. second of all, the long term implications of this pipeline are 23 jobs. i have more people working with me than ambridge will have at the end of the pipe, and this is not a long term job creation. 3rd, these are not jobs that you want because they're going to destroy our communities and they're going to destroy our groundwater. and what we really need is the green new deal. what we really need is jobs for long term sustainability for the 4 communities that have been ransacked. the mining and the iron ranges over the oil pipeline era is over and the talked about a green new deal before in 2018. you actually call for an indigenous led green new deal, and you also interest joe biden for president. joe biden, though, has explicitly stated he does not support a green new deal that he would not place a ban on fracking. so what needs to happen to a change, a green new deal? this seems like it is going to be uphill battle well 1st, we need
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a little more light movement. by politicians. i mean what we need a solution but not more problems. and what we need within that is, is, is to build some kind of thought idea of just as a matter of what the green new deal is. in the meantime, you have tribes and, and communities across the country, making the green. do you deal? i mean, the red lake reservation just added 200 kilowatts of solar. my travels that is 200 kilowatt, the solar, you know, the food system there being transformed into local food systems. and that's all part of the green new deal. that's not legislative part, but in washington, and in ottawa, they need to make infrastructure for people not what will companies they need to protect us from the ravages of climate change and improve and protect our health not jeopardize. you know, this is an opportunity. i like what arundhati roy has always referred to as pandemic, as, as portable pandemic as portal. never, you know, pandemic forced us to change who we are. this is what is no different. in this moment. we have a chance to change this world because we are already changing. and as we look ahead,
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let us be the people that make renewable energy. let us be the people that you know, make local food. let's make a real, a real just resolution. so you're talking about a shift, you're saying that the politicians need to shift from a fossil fuel economy to a sustainable economy. but, i mean, let's talk numbers often what you will hear, the american petroleum institute claims that oil and natural gas can, should be to 8 percent of the u.s. g.d.p. . there's a lot of money is what i'm trying to say. and in the oil and gas industry. so is it about a shift in the way people think of capitalism? well, you know, 1st of all exxon is no longer in the top 10 of the fortune 500 is all tech companies. so we'll companies have fallen out of favor in the international world, and they're, you know, they're not the future. the future is, it is just transition. the future is a renewable. the future is in, you know, technology to go, you know, be, could talk about how much money they have, but their money is declining, minus $38.00
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a barrel of oil is not picking up. they taught us in economics. right. and some of the writing is on the wall and what we need of politicians to be visionary in courageous, not to be taking the phrase from multinational oil company. but i mean, you know, people are laughing at the united states and saying, who's a banana republic now, you know, i feel like if you're a banana republic, if the multinational corporations tell you what to do, you know, i want to go back to something that you said it's been since the stock with me when you talk about how indigenous people are on the front lines. we talked about some of the military tactics that are being used. are you ever just afraid? you know, i'm concerned. i praye a part of my chaotic night and i take my own security measures as i can, but yeah, you know, i live in an area we call the north in northern minnesota. you know, embrace has added, had gas to a fire out, says the governor, you know what we need is a demilitarization. what we need is peace and not war. and yes,
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i'm concerned about my own personal safety of the safety of many, many indigenous women and other women who are fighting this pipeline. but we intend to stand strong and courageous because our time is now and their time is over on the lead to thank you so much for your time and then your insight. we appreciate it which thank you. and that is our show up front will be back next week. business leaders just want to buy the brass part.
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taliban is renowned for its violent repression of women. now a new deal with the u.s. could see the group return to power one, o one, a still best to gates of afghan women who paid the price for pace on al-jazeera. i know i maryam namazie and london a quick look at the headlines now. a scientist at the center of iran's nuclear program has been assassinated near the capital tehran gunman ambushed a vehicle carrying on his bodyguard ads in the city of op, sad. they later died in hospital iranian officials, including the foreign minister mohammad javad, zarif suspect israel was behind the attack. they've not provided any evidence. a military commander has promised to retaliate. iran previously expressed concern that u.s. president donald trump would try to punish the country before he leaves office in january. it to go or hold.
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