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december, the 3rd, the farmers say the 1st round of talks didn't go anywhere. and that's because they say that the government is not the sure in them. that a guaranteed minimum price for their progeny will remain. and that this is not good for farmers, and it's going to leave them at the mercy of large corporations, allowing private companies to buy from farmers directly. your charges are with me still rob, a reminder of our top stories. ethiopia's prime minister says the week's long military operation in northern to grey region is over. the army says it's taking control of the capital macallan, but the leader of the 2 great people's liberation front has vowed to keep fighting government forces. our army, after having prepared yesterday on how to control nicholas city without incurring collateral damage on the civilian population of nikolay,
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have not fully taken control of mckayla city as of this afternoon. i mean hunting and going after and searching for the elements that are hiding in the holes. and it's the reports of book around fighters in nigeria have killed at least $43.00 farmers. the attack took place in the northeastern city of made a guru. workers tended to rice fields, at least 6, others were injured and 8 people are still missing. violence in the region since 2009 is that to at least 2000000 people being displaced. the violent scenes during protests in france against a planned law that makes it illegal to film and publish police officers faces anger against the proposed law has been fueled by a video showing police beating and racially abusing a black music producer. iran is, i retaliate for the killing of its top nuclear scientist, to her own blames israel for most and of arkansas. there is assassination. the european union has described the killing as a criminal act. the e.u.
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and the united nations are calling for restraint. quote, a virus infections in the u.s. have doubled in november compared to last month. more than 205000, new infections were confirmed on friday, which pushed the total number past 13000000. a u.s. appeals court has thrown out donald trump's latest attempt to contest the presidential election results. judges unanimously dismissed the lawsuit that sought to challenge the state of pennsylvania's malin voting law. they also say trump's lawyers failed to prove a single mail in ballot was fortunately cast or counted. joe biden won the state by more than 80000 votes for she is all of those stories by logging on to our website at al jazeera dot com as updated through the day. but with more news in half an hour. next, it's upfront one half scottish and half lebanese. so diversity is really important to me and al-jazeera is the most diverse place i've ever worked.
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we have so many different nationalities, and this is a nice brought together in this one news organization. and this diversity of perspective is reflected in our coverage, giving a more accurate representation of the world we report on and that's a key strength of al-jazeera. she's an author, the recipient of a multitude of international awards and a former us vice presidential candidate. we talked to renowned environmentalist and indigenous rights activists when ola do but 1st it's led to the largest protest. poland has seen in decades. we discussed the country's controversial move to all but ban abortion. for more than a month,
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poland has been swept by the biggest protests the country has seen since the fall of communism. hundreds of thousands of demonstrators rallied in more than 500 cities and towns after poland's constitutional tried to annul effectively out lot of borson many are directing their anger towards the governing breitling one justice party. but will the protesters demands be able to prevail in this? traditionally catholic country and is poland on the brink of a revolution. joining me to debate this are caroline of acorah, political editor of the polish weekly called torah liberal. now an assistant professor at the university of warsaw and possibly blonsky deputy foreign minister and member of the law and justice party. thank you both for joining me in the arena . pavol, i want to start with you. it's been about a month now since poland's constitutional tribunals issued a ruling which would effectively banned abortion once employ amended. it would prohibit abortion, even in cases where there is a fetal defect. why make this move? now, this decision doesn't affect simply on all abortion,
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because the law prove on its own to criminalize for abortion, in cases of threats for life or health or the mother also in case of rape or incest would effectively change. here is the rules in the cooler and seward's is st assuring issued on in the last 20 years that i feel the effects are not fatal. for example, down's syndrome. and other non-lethal syndromes should not constitute a permission for abortion services based on protection of life of people with disabilities. that's more or less the legal reasoning behind this. why now ducked, is that decision of the constitutional tribunal, which is to call the sides the legality of lot of valid seemed conformant. so your law would the constitution carolina, why do you think this is happening now? just to be clear, the status quo is that abortion is allowed in cases where the mother's health is at
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risk, rape, or incest. and in cases where there is a fetal defect, why do you think this is happening now? of course is right when he says it's not a complete ban on abortion because there are 2 other cases in which are fortunate still legal in poland. but you have to remember that according to the data, i knew well leave from 1997, only 1000 legal abortions have been performed in our country. and a vast majority of those abortions was actually due to the severe defect or malformation of the fetus. and this current case is now illegal, so it's a practical complete ban on abortion because if you're talking about these 2 percent or something, of course they are legal, but it's very marginal. so i do believe the scope of protests came as
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a surprise for the law and justice party. but i do believe that there was an actual want to the action, namely the situation with you and me with a couple 1000 come to me in poland, is looking quite serious. you're saying as a distraction. is that what you're saying? you know, when you look at the liberal populist governments around the world reach for religion when they want to basically steer emotions, make people choose. it's very testy. you can, you have other examples like for example, that's an hour to go on a respect, realizing i.s.o. . right now my, now you have, you can, i don't know it's trump posing cute photos with the bible again and wine in a certain role. and so what i'm saying is this is using religion in the world to divert attention from something else. ok, so let me put that to pavol. so carolina saying basically, you're igniting
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a cultural issue, maybe to distract from other things. so i want your response to that, and i'm also curious, what is your reaction to how much pushback you're gaining and why are you doing it? so i d's conspiracy theory since there are actually very different conspiracy theories on the reasoning on the particular moment. and one theory says that this was a planned destruction from the pandemic. another one asserted that this now that we are so we were shown in this surprised somehow, so dismiss, couldn't have been planned. when says that constitutional court, it's political will of the ruling party. the other one is that, so what are your original suppose acts in and then you know contradiction. well, all of them can be true at once. that's for sure. for any i actually, i am happy, don't believe any of those. because if we look at the jurisprudence of the court again, and this is,
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this has been very interesting phenomenon over the course of these last couple of weeks that this has been attacked from many angles. but the legal angle that isn't trying to, in the constitution, that there is a right to life. and there is no limitation of rights to life, also and on, and also covers the feet. so period of human life is legally protected. so i want to ask you about this, a constitutional try being all, some can say it is actually a puppet for your party. that has denied opposition appointed judges the right to take the seats in the court. earlier this year, the president signed a law forbidding judges from even criticizing government changes to the judiciary around the same time that a number of retired judges of the constitutional tried and all to clear that it had virtually been abolished. so you keep saying that this is coming from the judiciary, but how can you expect people to have any faith and the integrity of the judiciary with all those things i just said, i hear and we keep hearing the same of humans,
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of course, for the last place here is actually the week our government took over 5 years ago and already were 1st claims of illegality of luck. who legit them is a should not discover many of these elections. and so, when we hear the statement that never democrats are accusing, we have such degree of political control of one party. this is completely foals. this is entirely false if anyone just knows basics of poland nearest continuous history. and i think i'm perfectly sure that kelly knows that. and up until 2015, there was a liberal party in government with president, with oldham, you supporting it, but just public media also problem. and there was problems with full control also over the coals in the constitutional court. there was a full majority. i think 13 or 14 judges at the time were not going to have. are you saying this is an example of your going on in poland?
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this is just the liberal propaganda against because they simply were not never able to accept the results of them, i think election. ok, so what about that carolina pavol saying this is politics. this is the way it is. other parties have done it. other people have done it, what do you say to that? so if i'm using arguments here and and older time or every time i say something i hear does i use construct of theories or liberal propaganda. apologies. but it is impossible to have a dialogue this way. now, i am not saying about democracy before 2015 has not been flawed in poland. in fact, i am one of those persons then you know it very well. i believe that have numerous set that some of the beats of the law and justice regarding the rule of law are, are on a bigger scope on
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a bigger scale flaws that have been present before before 2000 people team. and in fact, going to lay an egg if i want to. i want to just get in your exact, i want you to speak to this as well as your talking about this. people knew what the law and justice party or about they knew this, they had an opportunity to not vote for them. and they did. do you mean in 2015 or 2019? because the fort to exist and 15 alone just is that and wrong with the slogan. all we are going to change the whole polish judiciary. well they didn't, but so you want, people know if they believe in the main elements of them and my people know the position of the law and justice party on abortion. yes, of course, i do believe that people, when, of course, when one read the program very carefully of law and justice, then people would perhaps understand that the aim of the law and justice is to reform the sheriff for example. but the medicine that is being used for
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reforming or changing that should be sharing this educational system, etc, etc, is simply not working. because the only the only structure of performing those reforms is simply changing the people. and this is nothing, and this has nothing to do with reforming institutions. pavol, i want to put something to you about these protests. the deputy prime minister said this about the demonstrations that have been happening and that the demonstrators are committing a serious crime. he called these clashes with protesters, a war. this might, the fact that they have been largely was unfair. it wasn't him. no, it's actually, it's actually the crime for the protester. this is war, or also forgive my excuse, my french get the there's the open language. they have been used. ok,
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so anything. so i mean, i mean is that, i mean are you saying i'm going to end it now? ok. or so your son some sound they sang for one action. the quote from the deputy prime minister is he call the ongoing clashes a war despite the fact that they have been largely peaceful. he has called for conservatives to defend poland, and he's basically accusing protestors of committing serious crimes. that is a very odd way to talk about the right of protesters in a democracy, is it not? so when we hear from the very presence that we shoot and they said get out in the much, much harder language when we see police speak, it's not going to get there. and when the protesters are actually crying, this is wal mart and they're going to tear gas used. protestors were so when we hear the reaction to it was most of all people that were protecting churches from being devastated. and this was a natural reaction. this is a very common tactic,
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those to single out a few isolated incidents when there are thousands of people protesting peacefully that that's, that's a common thing to do and it doesn't really characterize what the president isolated then it's being said, why do the leaders of these protests, if they incentivize people to violently, they incentivize people to believe it's ok. so what does that does not ising what i want each of the stroke? i want carolina to comment on this, on these protests, there have been significant numbers of women in these, protests carolina leading these protests against their governments for not just about abortion, but for, for greater human rights. this is happening in a lot of countries around the world over the past few years. bellerose turkey,, thailand, sudan, nigeria, even in the u.s., how would you characterize what it is you're seeing with women being on the forefront of so many of these protests and these issues? well, you have to freshly understand that those protests have been changing with time. so
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it is true that at the very beginning of protests where very much a field with the rage and yes, well go words were there. and i do believe that those were imposed on errands or tools, fireworks trauma, the police and so on. i didn't interrupt you so those words were there and people were extremely, if you're us, i would like to underline people because we all say that these are we meant protesting. but then fuck, those are men and women. many young people have joined the protests and the protests be game became something a much more white us for they are subject. so this has become a whole movement of protest against the law and just as government. but if i ask you properly, if there is the march of independence every year in warsaw and some people are
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going peacefully and some people are throwing stones and doing and saying, bugger words. should they them think that all the troops in poland are nationalists and fascists? you surely would say no, because there are some groups that are doing this, but you surely do not think it's acceptable. so i do believe you look at the protests have been changing. i think it's extremely important to grasp that this is a new generation that has been using of course some boger words. but also the wellcome to was mentioned also some other philosophical names. and i do believe it's extremely important because as far as i cared, a comment struck at us with also other connotations of law and justice. i do, believe that their definition of politics is from the 1990 s., and they do not understand this new generation that has been raised in a free and independent country, or they sure have the world's attention right now. absolutely. that that will have to be the final word carolina,
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the gora pavol you blonsky. thank you so much for joining us for this discussion. thanks. as climate disasters continue to ravage the earth. indigenous people have been standing on the front lines of the climate crisis suffering from the most devastating impacts of it change from on doris to india. they've been leading the fight against environmental destruction, but leaders heed their call. joining me to discuss this is indigenous rights activists and economists. one all a do. she's a member of the honesty of a nation and lives on the white earth reservation in minnesota. well, duke has been a 2 time us green party vice presidential candidate. and as executive director of the group on earth, the earth forthcoming book is titled to be a water protector and will be released this december when i thank you for joining me on friday. so according to an environmental n.g.o.s, global witness, 2019 was a terrible year for environmental activists around the world. apparently that was
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a record year of the number of them that were killed. a 3rd of those fatal attacks targeted specifically indigenous people who make up less than 5 percent of the world's population. can you explain why so many indigenous activists are being targeted and killed because we live in the places where the wild things are. we live in the places where they want to put d.m. projects, mining projects, pipeline project. the remaining biodiversity is in order here in florida, then we are on the front lines to protect those because we have no place of the gold. that is our life. that is the land where we come from. and so we are targeted because we are out of sight and out of mind. and for frankly, hundreds of years they've been killing if you have people, but the rate has increased dramatically in the last couple of years with these big mining projects and big projects. ok, let's talk about indigenous women specifically in the u.s. and digitas. women are murdered rates more than 10 times higher than the us average and canada,
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they are 12 times more likely to go missing or killed that any women in the country . why is that? long history of colonialism, a long history of taking indigenous people in indigenous women killing you know, you know, for granted. and, you know, we are certainly have been victims of abuse traders for all of these years. we live in isolated areas and then they bring in these big mining projects and pipeline project management. and that's where the elevated rates of violence and rape occur is the result of the fossil fuels industry in the mining companies. you just take the case of north dakota where they brought in all of the fracking companies and all before after that you saw a huge increase in violence in an environment. grimes integrate. and so there was a very clear connection in north dakota with the fracking industry in the oil industry images on violence against women. and so what we know is that south, what happens, you bring it all these guys, all these guys into our communities,
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and they go after us. and let's talk more about the exploitation of indigenous peoples and how it does often go hand in hand with the exploitation of the earth we saw with the dakota access pipeline in the u.s. back in 2016. right, so there were protesters sustained protests at this pipeline at standing rock, met with extraordinary police violence. hundreds of people were injured and that there was actually a private company that was hired by the pipeline company to suppress the protests. they were counterterrorism tactics used, and there were people that compare the water protectors to put jihadists. are you worried about the types of military techniques that are used to suppress what is said, 1000000000 protected, civilian dissent at home. you know, in, in the case of minnesota line 3 pipeline was just approved as part of the agreement approving line 3 was that ambridge would pay for the police. and so what we have
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now is a comedian multinational corporation who is handing off assistance in the form of actual physical pieces of equipment to the police. in minnesota, we've seen the influx of an m. rapid, northern, minnesota, that's a mine resistant, armored personnel carrier. we're deeply concerned after having been veterans of standing on the very $8000000.00 of military repression. we expect to be unleashed to benefit embryo in northern minnesota against thousands of people who are proponents of private life. nobody know them, people have opposed the embers of pipeline, and many of us are women and children. and we are expecting them for an assault of military equipment under people. more about and bridge this line 3, as it's called, it is in the state of minnesota where you live and for viewers who don't know what we're talking about. this is a nearly 2000 kilometer crude oil pipeline that's going to link canada to the united states. as you said, it has been met with strong resistance from people in the area who do not want this project. they say it's going to contaminate drinking water in the environment all
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on indigenous territory. tell us more about what your concerns are about how it will affect your community. and are you hopeful that maybe some of these permits that have already been approved can be pulled. this makes no sense to prove a tarzan pipeline in the middle of a pandemic and in the middle of its time when the world is burning. i mean, the fact is that this pipeline is the equivalent of adding 50 new coal fired power plants in a time when the entire west coast have been on fire and climate change related basters are devastating our world. this should not happen. so when you talk about the fact that this is happening in the middle of a pandemic, there are people who support labor, who union union is rather who would say this actually is the best time because the pandemic is having such a bad effect on the economy. in particular, the teamsters union and the laborers international union, very powerful unions have been very vocal about supporting this project. so what do
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you say to people who say that projects like this create jobs and communities in particular, enbridge has said that this will create about 6500 jobs. what do you say to people who want these jobs? who need these jobs? 4200 workers are being imported from minnesota. those are jobs for minutes. second of all, the long term implications of this pipeline are 23 jobs. i have more people working with me than ambridge will have at the end of the pipe, and this is not a long term job creation 3rd. these are not jobs that you want because they're going to destroy our communities and they're going to destroy our groundwater. and what we really need is the green new deal. what we really need is jobs for long term sustainability for the, for communities that have been ransacked. the mining and the iron ranges over the oil pipeline era is over. and the talked about a green new deal before in 2018, you actually call for an indigenous led green new deal. and you also interest joe biden for president. joe biden, though, has explicitly stated he does not support
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a green new deal that he would not place a ban on fracking. so what needs to happen to a change, a green new deal? this seems like it is going to be uphill battle well 1st, we need a little more like movement. by politicians. i mean what we need a solution but not more problems. and what we need within that is, is, is to build some kind of thought, idea of justice, and that is what the green new deal is. in the meantime, you have tribes and, and communities across the country, making the green do new deal. i mean, the red lake reservation just added 200 kilowatts of solar. my travels that is 200 kilowatt, the solar, you know, the food system, they're being transformed into local food systems. and that's all part of the green new deal. that's not the legislative part, but in washington, and in ottawa, they need to make infrastructure for people not for oil companies. they need to protect us from the ravages of climate change and improve and protect our health not jeopardize. you know, this is an opportunity. i like what arundhati roy has always could refer to as pandemic, as, as portable pandemic as portal never, you know,
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pandemic forced us to change who we are. this is what is. ringback no different in this moment, we have a chance to change this world because we are already changing. and as we look ahead, let us be the people that make renewable energy. let us be the people that you know, make local food. let's make a real, a real just resolution. so you're talking about a shift. you're saying that the politicians need to shift from a fossil fuel economy to a sustainable economy. but, i mean, let's talk numbers often, which you will hear. the american petroleum institute claims that oil and natural gas contribute to 8 percent of the u.s. g.d.p. . there's a lot of money is what i'm trying to say. and in the oil and gas industry. so is it about a shift in the way people think of capitalism? well, you know, 1st of all exxon is no longer in the top 10 of the fortune 500. it's all tech companies. so we'll companies have fallen out of favor in the international world, and they're, you know, they're not the future. the future is,
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it is just transition. the future is a renewable. the future is in, you know, technology. and so, you know, begin to talk about how much money they have, but their money is declining, minus $38.00 a barrel of oil is nothing. and they taught us in economics. right. and some of the writing is on the wall and what we need of politicians to be visionary in courageous, not to be taking be free from multinational oil companies. i mean, you know, people are laughing at the united states and saying, who's a banana republic now. you know, i feel like if you're a banana republic, if the multinational corporations tell you what to do, you know, i want to go back to something that you said that's been since the stock with me when you talk about how indigenous people are on the front lines, we talked about some of the military tactics that are being used. are you ever just afraid? you know, i'm concerned, i pray a part of it. i cannot and i, and i take my own security measures as i can, but yeah, you know, i live in an area we call the geek north in northern minnesota. you know,
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embrace has added, had gas to a fire out. has the governor, you know, what we need is a demilitarization, what we need is peace and not, and not war. and yes, i'm concerned about my own personal safety of the safety of many, many indigenous women and other women who are fighting this pipeline. but we intend to stand strong and courageous because our time is now and their time is over on the lead to thank you so much for your time and your anti. we appreciate it, which thank you. and that is our show up front will be back next week. december on al-jazeera, it's 10 years since of revolution in tunisia ignited the arab spring. al-jazeera looks back at the uprising and asks, what really changed across the middle east. the stream is where al jazeera is
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