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manchester authorities in indonesia have set up a 2 kilometer safety zone following the eruption of volcano it's in east new search tenggara that's into these as of the most province, the ash column has risen 4000 meters above the peak because last erupted in 2012. 0. these are our top stories, ethiopia's government says it has gained full control capsule and will continue to look for members of the to graham people's liberation front. who have vowed to fight on the prime minister declares an end to the 3 week military operation on saturday. webb is monitoring developments from the kenyan capital. nairobi has more on the response from leaders in that is going to continue to
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fight. and there are certainly questions about where the tb left leadership are now . and also what's happened to the reportedly tens of thousands of fighters that until at least just a few days ago, they controlled also the substantial military resources they controlled as well. but this conflict has been brewing for several months. that certainly potentially could have given them time to hide some of this military hardware in the mountains in the region in these mountains, certainly they know very well. their existence began in the 1970 s. when they formed the insurgency and successfully overthrew the government of the time in 1991. so they know this. terry well concerned that they could wait to relive warfare from their funerals have been held for dozens of farmers killed. was working in rice fields in nigeria's, northeast local officials, blame fighters for murdering at least 43 people. some were tied up before being stored at least 8. i'm missing after the attack, near my degree, nearly 2 and
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a half 1000000, people have been displaced by more than a decade of violence in the region. as you and afghan soldiers have been killed in a suicide bomb attack in gaza, a province local health officials say another 24 were injured at a public protection force compound belonging to afghan security forces. no group has yet claimed responsibility. india's government says it will meet farmers union leaders next week following days of demonstrations staging a sit in near the capital new delhi to protest against a bill they say could devastate crop prices. farmers have not agreed to the talks and say they don't plan to leave until the law is scrapped. those are your headlines. more news continuing here on al-jazeera. that's after inside story.
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a final assault on so-called outlaw groups, ethiopia's prime minister is promising a swift end to his offensive region. world leaders are calling for urgent mediation . so what will it take to resolve the conflict? this is inside story. hello, welcome to the program on iran. come on, it's been 3 weeks since he,, his government sent soldiers into t., great promise to abbey ahmed. and the northern regions government that he great people's liberation front or t.p. l f. each say the other is illegitimate nobel peace prize winner i'll be,
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has ordered his troops to carry out a final assault. now the t.p.m. left leader says autonomy shells have struck the regional capital mackay late phone and internet connections are down, making it impossible to confirm reports of the killings and atrocities. on friday, abby ami told the african union, mediators, he'll only speak to representatives. he says, operating legally in tikrit, the government insists this doesn't mean the prime minister is rejecting talks to end the conflict. now the fighting is forced 43000 people to seek refuge in neighboring sue done. the un's high commissioner for refugees is calling for 150 $1000000.00 in donations. and the morgan has more from a camp in sudan. oh morocco, but a refugee camp here in sudan got out of state has expanded since it was 1st opened just over 2 weeks ago. now when it was 1st, opened it hosted about 300 if european refugees fleeing from the conflict in the
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sacred region. now the camp hosts more than 7000. is he a peon refugees? and this place is becoming sort of a permanent shelter for them until things ease back home and they say it's safe for them to return. now this is the only formal refugee camp here and about of state despite saddam hussein more than 43000 if you can refugees over the past 3 weeks escaping from the conflict in the tigra region. the other centers have reception center in neighboring customers state and look to hear god out of state are all just reception centers, including village 8, which is about 30 kilometers from the sudan is the opium border that hosts more than $15000.00 if european refugees. now most of them here stand under the scorching sun waiting for food aid and waiting for food distribution. but they say that this is much better than being back home, not knowing what they could have faced. many families speak of leaving their loved ones behind of witnessing people being slaughtered of atrocities. they say that
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forced them to flee and come here to sudan seeking refuge, but able organization say that they need help in terms of responding to the influx of refugees. they say that in the coming 6 months, they expect up to 200000 escaping refugees to come here to sudan seeking refuge from the to great region. because of the conflict. should the fighting continue. they say that they need financial assistance or funding for the program to be able to respond to this refugee crisis that is unfolding. because sudan as a government, despite hosting them already hosts nearly 1000000 other refugees in various other states and therefore will not be able to cope with this crisis on its own. so while the aid organizations are sounding the alarm and calling for supposed to be able to respond to this current and for refugee crisis, people here say they'll wait to hear and feel things are safe before they go back home and take very thin. if he a pia let's introduce our panel in
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ethiopia's capital, addis ababa? samuel, get it? you're a journalist at the reporter in ontario, canada, and fitzgerald, director of the balsillie school of international affairs. you worked in ethiopia, for many years. and in cambridge, u.k., william davis and a senior ethiopia analyst at the international crisis group, a warm welcome to you all. now the ethiopian government declined our request for a representative to join this discussion. in fact, what they did say is that they wouldn't appear on a panel that potentially could have a member of the people's liberation front, calling them attack, calling them a terrorist group. i want to begin with samuel, get you all they a terrorist group. well, it depends on who you ask. so tricky question for me to answer. you have to consider the position, i'm in to declare them a terrorist and move on. would be unbecoming of 1st someone who works for
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a newspaper. and i would respectfully refuse to answer that question, but can you explain to us why the government might call them that? well, you know, there are no conflict government and the t.p. left had been in conflict for a while. and this just moved on to a real conflict about something, thousands of people and ito. if you hear the p.l.f. side, i'm sure they'll make the same kind of like he's ation. so it's just barking for then we've been watching this from a distance. and we've been, you know, concerned with this, this was heading for a long time, and many of us are not surprised that it went this far to a conflict that's just killing so many of our fellow men and women. well, there's talk about mediation. if there is, there's a strong language being used, the share amount of people being displaced, accusations of war crimes became being committed in the k.l.a. . all of this is,
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is going to put pressure on any kind of mediation to be successful, right? you know, the prime minister, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. he's been saying from day one that he's given the p.p.l. a future ship, a chance to many chances. at mediation, we watched this from a distance when haile gebrselassie the long paean joint elders, and went to mcnally trying to bridge the gap between the 2 governments. it did not work. he's keeper, you know, many people who are criticizing the prime minister for being slow in taking actions . not just in mclean or to great, but all across the country that you know, people are dying in many, many parts of the country or, i mean, they were dying and many people wanted him to take action. people felt he was being too soft. in his reaction to what was happening in ethiopia and what happened in my county. it was, you know, we watched it for a month for 4
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a year when they were going back and forth. and we were concerned, and we knew many of us knew this was going to happen. we just didn't think it was going to be this fast. and you know, it's just, it has become to being given to control it. and i think it's too late for mediation, the prime minister has said it a few times. and there's just and michael, you know, they're, they're fighting among themselves that the team p.l.f. and the chip inside. and he said it will conclude in a few days. and we hope that will, that will happen, but personally, i don't believe in conflicts. i grew up in canada, a peaceful nation. we believed in dialogue mediation, and all kinds of stuff. and i've traveled to the, to great region, and i've met many of these people. and i'm not saying that t.p.r. never, i'm saying every day to people from to agree to be very peaceful and to see them suffer is just as heartbreaking as you can find anywhere in the world and bridges
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so sad people are just dying left and right and the reef fiji's, in the sudan stories they're telling us. that's so scary and i don't blame the un's human rights commission when she said, there is some sense, a sense of war crimes happening. integrate. i don't really think something is happening and i can, we can't wait to go and see what really happened and start the conversation. well, let's bring in an fitzgerald has his in waterloo on torah. and one of the things that is crucial to this conversation is the fact that prime minister ahmed has actually said that he's only going to talk to people that he thinks represent the people of that region of he go to great region. what does that mean? is he picking and choosing the people they can negotiate with or are they just his own people? i think what it means is that there is a question of legitimacy and science, but equally, there is a question of legitimacy and the other party has eyes as well. and this is the,
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the gray stays there between both positions that people are trying to analyze. people are trying to navigate through the prime minister, feels an election, a legal action went forward without the proper constitutional authority. and he has, in his view, made efforts to engage in dialogue with the party. in his view, those efforts have failed and not been through. and, you know, i think it's important to recognize here that mediation is a person as a 3rd party is brought into the still a tape discussion and then to speak to resolve the dispute. but it's a person which comes by invitation only, and it's a person rich addressed as a dispute, and i think we can all agree that this is beyond what is classified as a dispute. now this is a full of conflict and you know, there's
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a lot of gray space in between those 2 goalposts. now in cambridge, william docent, obviously these things don't happen in a vacuum. there have been issues with the federal government. would he go state between them for many years now, but what was the real spark for this conflict? why did this happen? 3 weeks ago, while the final trigger for the conflict was an incident on the night of november, november 4th, when the federal government describes it. and it's happening by forces on the federal military. alternately what seems to have happened is that they take ray and forces the grand leadership believing that there was about to be a federal intervention. they have forcefully taken over elements of the military. and this really is the final trigger that led to the federal government ministry
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intervention that going back as your other guests have you have described. we have this process where security ran in an election against, you know, in defiance of federal rulings that, for the federal government said that secret government was illegitimate and unlawful. and in turn, to crays government said that the federal government no longer had legal authority . the original inspire each of its turn in the october, and this was due to, to an election that was delayed because of the pandemic. so it's really this constitutional dispute, if we go a little bit further back and that authorized the federal government in its eyes to intervene and scipio it correct this situation in the region. of course, we can go back further to 2800 and the change of power. our prime minister and beyond its arrival and after that and to graze ruling party, they lost
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a lot of federal power. and they sort of ended up with their power focused at the regional level. this was accompanied by a lot of bitterness allegations from the federal government that it varies. leaders, leadership was destabilizing ethiopia, by sponsoring conflict, allegation from tick rates, leadership that the federal government was scapegoating them and their party and flaccid destabilization all for all sorts of abuses and corruption that they said had approved the response of the city across the room. ethiopian ruling coalition, and so you know, it's a dispute that goes some way back. we could go further back into the history of music, very ruling parties and the era of predominance during effect, really ever since the early ninety's, when we could go even further back into ethiopian history. and to have to explain, you know, some, some of the roots of this conflict as well. well, let me bring in, samuel gets a to head, let's bring it right up to date. and so we all, we had
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a stage now where the federal government was afraid that gray was going to become a breakaway nation, was that what was driving the government? the white house will be, you know, it's a gray state, decided to hold an election when it was told it was against the constitution of the land. they've been openly debating about independence. i mean, what's a federal government if it can't even keep its, its, its nation intact? and i mean, that's one of the reason the many reasons what provoked this conflict including the tax on the military site. and luckily, so, i mean there are many, many reasons why i provoked it and you know, myself and we know, and we watched it. and i disagree about when this was just moving forward. and conversation started very peacefully. i remember when there is you on the head of the t.p.m.
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left stood behind the prime minister in 2018 when he became prime minister and made all of us so excited about this new me if you are there, they were trying to build the peaceful transfer of power we've been watching from a distance in other countries was beginning to happen in ethiopia. but in the last year, something happened in ethiopia that we can't even begin to understand. it was no longer a conversation. it was just about, you know, one side showing power. and the back and forth that was going on between the prime minister and the head of the t.p.m. left, the jokes that were being made. and the propaganda as though we're being told and government t.v.'s was just so overwhelming, really disappointing for many of us who've been watching it here. and we wanted, you know, i grew up in and you know, for the ethiopian famine and we really wanted it to succeed. and we watched it from near and far, and we're not surprised that it became this something that my own generation
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and the generation before me have been watching. you have to know the 2 great state has been at war for a long, long time. it was beginning to have peace they tube and famine of 1905 happened in the 2 great state. i've toured the whole almost the whole part of the tudor, a state forest. it's just poor as it gets even by ethiopian standard into see it in this state is a fair leadership, not just by our leaders, but all of us and fish. terrill is that strong evidence that might suggest that he great was about to break away. and that's why this has to breakaway in terms of the 1st leg become a breakaway state, a breakaway nation, declare independence. well, there are, there was definitely posturing and positioning 2 words. something some sort of a recognition, whether an 8th metrical federalist posture that they were vying
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for. whether it was some, some more as some negotiations that brought in the international community. whether it was efforts to breakaway, we are not sure, but what we are sure about was that there was a gradual pulling back of governance capacity to a grand representatives and to grand governments capacity from and is the to the regional capital. so we start that exodus and that increased focus on the region. we start lots of news coming from the region about economic development priority. and the propaganda and the numbers against the federal government hit an all time high. so we just aren't sure about the plans. we aren't sure about the intentions,
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the electricity and the internet blackout in the region, particularly around the area where the conflict is here. it may take proper well informed analysis, very, very difficult at the moment. and we have seen this conflict take on another trajectory one that is all about an information war with disinter mation and misinformation being thrown around on an hourly basis. and this is having a very divisive and polarizing effect on the people. we have always lived in an error of this information, but in the age of social media, this just information have now hit a crescendo, which is playing havoc with 110000000 miles and windows. and let me bring you in here. let's talk mediation now. if it is right, the prime minister then should fall to ethiopian forces within the next few days.
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they then have to hold it. that's an in, that's an occupation. as we've seen in many other countries. if there's an occupation, there's generally an insurgency. are you concerned that there will be an insurgency in the colon? and yes, there is certainly a possibility that this phase of what is essentially being conventional wall for the last 3 and a half weeks is certainly a possibility that the ground forces lose control of major urban areas as they have done so far. and then possibly, finally, the regional capital that could transform their resistance into a more of an insurgency type of operation. there is a long history of that type of resistance to impose those rules integrate. that is certainly a possibility. there is also a possibly, you know,
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a bigger, more consequential question coming up, which is there will be an imposed federal provisional administration that the federal government will try to put in place integrate after it is achieved its objectives of removing to grace leadership. because this has been imposed outside of because it's there is this issue of autonomy and dispute over the election at the regional election. the $2700000.00 to grants voted in there was a clear about what level of support and quite possibly resistance there will be from the general population to the federal government's plans integrate. the point here is that 1st of all, we have to see what the course of this conflict is. it looks like the federal forces will be in control of mentally. then we would have to see what sort of insurgency, if any develops, and then there will be a question about how to govern to gray. and if that ends up being quite significant popular resistance to any imposed government, these are the reasons why, you know,
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despite the justifications the federal government has, for the military intervention, it is necessary to look beyond that at some form of political solution. some sort of settlement at security, where these autonomy questions will be a dress to look beyond that because otherwise it is hard to see a sustainable peace force settlement and security. and instead we could see in one form or another, some form of continuing instability. some will get to show you heard or gasoline degas and just have to say that it's going to be very difficult for any mediation to take place if there is this occupation in effect by if you have your military forces. and then this imposed role by the federal government. do you think prime minister ahmed has bitten off more than he can chew? you know, i remember when, during george w. bush, when the american troops went to baghdad. i remember the mission accomplished. he
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had the background, i remember when they started going around after doing what they have done, which they were saved. you are, you know, there was violent what happened to iraq. i remember when they started handing out countries to try to connect with the locals. it did not work, there needs to be an adult conversation that should happen between the federal government and the state of the great ethiopia needs to begin to understand. they have misgivings about his leadership, perhaps. and even what's happening in ethiopia, there has to be some kind of i don't conversation. 'd if he is really going to be moving forward, or if it is deciding to go backward to the ear of t.p.m. death, which i owe it odious li, hated. there was no human rights, lack of democracy. it wasn't even a discussion. and i mean, they've done developmental stuff. they've done. i mean it's good to try to make
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your ballot try. not sure though is their choice. some people love it, some people don't, but the fact is an adult conversation has to happen sooner and neither for that or the ethiopia that we know will disappear. and fish herald. can there be an adult conversation between 2 sides that have just gone through this? in fact, is it not just an adult conversation? i mean, can even mediation begin anytime soon? well, i think there were efforts to start a mediation process. in fact, the african union chair person days ago, and now how delighted he was that ethiopian had agreed to the appointment of 3 and 4 with and had agreed to their role in media between the 2 parties. the problem was on the here, inside of the government, we heard that that this had not been agreed to. so it does beg the question of what role these 3 envoys will have moving forward?
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or will it simply be a role of interlocutor between the ethiopian government and the african union? it is true that africa is very african leaders are very skilled at mediation and dialogue, per se. it so too is the african union and it got the intergovernmental authority under development, also located in addis ababa. but what sort of process goes forward is in question on the ethiopian government side. they regard this and what they call, t.p. our left young, entire group of criminals, and they feel that there is no place for a group that committed treason, treasonous crimes, at the negotiating or mediation table that, that i think what is her management is to hear the voice of the 2 grand people and
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to make some decisions on who the stakeholders will be at whatever table we have. moving forward dialogue table, facilitation, table mediation table, who will be the state stakeholders representing the voice of the 2 group. and he, paul and also i think it's important to remember that if you this close partnerships with different members of the international community, forward will be important. and i think what will be important to those perpetrators is to seek clarity on the intervention that has been suppressed and blocked by way of information telecommunication blackouts. so whether or not the international community may have a role in helping with the verification of those details. the assessment of those details, the reporting of those details for it may be another option. i want to thank all
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the differences and similarities of cultures across the one little man you take, it will bring you the news and current affairs that matter to you. woot, woot. 2 i'm sam is a van and with a look at the headlines here and i'll just say it or if he or his government says it's game full control of take raise capital, michaela and we'll continue to look for members of the to grain people's liberation . front of a valve to fight on the prime minister declared an end to the 3 week military operation on saturday. malcolm webb is monitoring developments from the kenyan capital. nairobi has more on the response from leaders and tinkering with the b.l.f. has said that it's going to continue the fight. and then there are certainly questions about where the t.p. left leadership now and what happened.

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