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to leave loved ones in order to make their lives better flee not war or poverty but in search of a dignified life despite his failed attempts to reach europe it is a pursuit so is not yet ready to give up nicholas hawk al jazeera southwest senegal. hello again the headlines on al-jazeera campaigners are warning 9 out of 10 people in nearly 70 of poor countries will not get the covert 1000 vaccine next year the people's vaccine alliance says rich states have bought enough to inoculate their populations several times over canada has enough confirmed doses to inoculate 5 times its population prime minister boris johnson is due to travel to brussels later for intensive talks with the e.u. commission g presidents are still of underline both are under pressure to agree
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a trade deal before the u.k. leaves the block in 3 weeks and barker has more from london. we've heard different things from different politicians over the course of the morning when he of them are unclear as to what extent boris johnson can actually get negotiations going again because that of course is the aim the resumption of trade negotiations in the hope of having some kind of trade deal in place before the final deadline of the end of the month but we've said this many many times this agreement will need to be agreed not only by the commission and the parliament but ratified in every single e.u. member states and in some countries that also includes federal areas in countries like belgium for instance and any one of these states or areas can actually do you write any kind of agreement that is reached the u.s. supreme court has rejected an attempt by republicans to overturn joe biden's victory in pennsylvania the party had sought to scrap 2 and a half 1000000 votes and sylvania result has been certified in biden's favor and in
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a one line statement the supreme court refused to call that certification process into question strict health measures have been in force at polling stations across indonesia as tens of millions of people vote in regional elections in tunisia has the worst coben 1000 out break in southeast asia with more than 580000 reported cases and 18000 it's. a champions league football match has been suspended after players from both teams walked off the pitch over allegations of racism the incidents erupted when pierre way bo the assistant coach with the turkish club a sex year was involved in a fierce sideline argument the former cameroon international accused the match official of fusing a racist term those are the headlines inside story is up next why the.
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rolling out a coronavirus vaccine the u.k. is the 1st western country to administer shots against gold at 19 as the rest of the world is watching could this be the start of the pandemic coming under control and will skeptics be persuaded to take the vaccine this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program. it's hoped there the beginning of the end of the pandemic but public anxiety over the safety of coronavirus vaccines could undermine that goal all eyes are now on how the western world's 1st coronavirus masson
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occupation program will work out in the u.k. the nation has started rolling out the 1st doses of pfizer biotechs vaccine against covert 1990 year old margaret keenan was the 1st person to receive the jap the elderly care home workers and health care staff have been prioritized to receive the 800000 shots now available the varchar reports from london. it is happening a turning point in the global fight against a virus that's killed more than a 1000000000 people around the world 90 year old grandmother margaret keenan made history becoming the 1st person to be vaccinated with the pfizer by and take drugs outside the trial she encourage others to follow her lead over it because it's free and it's the best thing that's ever happened and the moment do please go for it in a somewhat dramatic turn the 2nd vaccine went to a man called william shakespeare
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a poetic star perhaps to a new chapter in the fight against corona virus more than half of the people who've died of the virus in the u.k. are over 80 they're getting the injection 1st along with the elderly in care homes and their carers unused doses are going to frontline medical staff the british government's call this a v. for vaccine day but the prime minister warned it's too early to call this a v. for victory in scotland and wales in england people are having the vaccine for the 1st time and it will gradually make a huge huge difference but i stress gradually because you know we're not. yet we haven't defeated this virus yet bunches of the pfizer biotech drug approved for use in the u.k. last week have been arriving from pfizer's factory in belgium the logistical challenge has been immense for the vaccine he speaks to the around minus 70 degree celsius in england dozens of hospitals with facilities to store the super chill
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drug or the 1st places to administer it scotland wales and northern ireland have also begun similar programs the government sorted 40000000 doses so far and initial 800000 will be available in the 1st round of treatment this week capable of inoculating 400000 people with 2 injections 21 days apart we've shuttered our economies and struggle 3 months of good. and i'm designing lives who've been cut short and elderly people separated from their loved ones we've known for some time that the only sure fire way out of this pandemic is a vaccine and now a shred of hope the 1000000 not too distant future things might start returning to normal its hope so full 1000000 people will be back soon 80 before the end of the year when boxes of the vaccine that come in packs of almost a 1000 doses will be split up and sent to doc to surgeries and can homes around the country the vaccine can be stored at normal fridge temperature but only for
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a short period it's a day of mixed emotions joy and hesitation most vulnerable people won't get the vaccine until next year but with infection rates going up here in london and elsewhere restrictions may have to get time to before they get easier. but it is only a matter of months since scientists set their minds on defeating this common enemy a process that normally takes many years and now against all odds a sense of the long march out of the pandemic that's become. the bar code for inside story. other countries have announced plans to roll out vaccines russia began injecting doctors teachers and social workers with it sputnik the vaccine over the weekend china is an ocular adding more than a 1000000000 people with one of its experimental vaccines the u.s. could grant emergency authorization to a pfizer candidate by the end of the week and start delivering to states immediately the e.u.
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is reviewing pfizer vaccine safety and could authorize it before the end of the month south korea's announced it secured enough doses to cover 84 percent of its population but it won't start rolling them out until other countries programs have been monitored for a few months. all right let's bring in our guests in london we have anna blakeney research fellow and bio engineer at imperial college london where she worked on covert 1000 vaccine development as edina but i he me is professor of medical biotechnology at mohammed 50 university of it all up he joins us from contro in morocco stereo's moss hawse is a molecular virologist at northumbria university and he joins us from newcastle in the united kingdom welcome to each of you and let me start with you with this rollout in britain how big a step is now being taken to control the pandemic and can we say that this is now with the beginning of the end of covert 19. yes it is definitely the
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beginning of the and hopefully but one thing we all have to remember is that it's not over quite yet so we still have to keep the same public health measures in place you know social distancing and wearing a mask and washing our hands and as well as the rapid testing to be able to continue to come to control this rat until the vaccine is fully rolled out as if the in from your perspective how much as far as what happens with the rollout of the vaccine in britain is going to impact the actions of other governments in other countries going forward. well actually i'm very excited that it stopped in finally finally it's starting in britain and i think we are waiting for if they for many months now and i think it's a huge success not for one country but for humanity and i think to be able in one year almost be able actually to have a vaccine and starts rolling people is great but i think as you said some wonder
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they think it's very interesting that every country should what's happened in other countries just talk to gain from their experience and absolutely try and to do what's in their contest and i think for our account for morocco it's quite different from other countries but i think we'll be able to benefit from what's happening in england in britain in general to to manage to do with differently depending on the context where we are the city oh so it looked like you wanted to get up there and i saw you nodding along somewhat as the dean was saying but i also want to ask you if we can just take a step back for a moment and consider what as a dean was saying which is how remarkable it is that you know in less than a year you know scientists were able to come together and produce a vaccine i mean this is something that's unprecedented in the development of vaccines in this modern world of ours isn't it. it is variable so he sunk us to
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start from the scientists in china that identified the virus showed the genome of the virus online straight away as soon as possible notified everybody they could notify the finder house to continue and extend bill to the viral interest that started looking into what this means the vaccine scientists thought within a couple of weeks of us thought it designing well the new vaccine is going to be the pharmaceutical companies we got together so we're not going to do this for profit we're going to do this for the world when the situation clearly was getting out of hand and of course must not forget those people who signed up with us trials for right new vaccine technology with a cost to the pfizer biotech. but also those recent of the trials knowing that they might get a placebo that may not be proposed to protect it so there's a lot of fine cues we will need to be giving that not just to the health care professionals but most of the technologists and also the other scientists have come together to resolve this global crisis and britain of course has been repeatedly
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criticized for having botched its response to covert 19 do you believe that the country is actually going to be able to effectively roll out this vaccine and to vaccinate tens of millions of people in a matter of months. so i think what's really important right now is just the overall communication strategies i think scientists all year have been really excited that we've been able to rapidly make a vaccine but now i think it really the responsibility falls on us and the government to actually really educate people about what is this vaccine you know how is it developed how was it tested just so that we could really start to promote confidence in the vaccine obviously because you know there's no point in making a vaccine if nobody's going to take it so i think we're actually kind of just beginning the 2nd challenge of really doing kind of a mass campaign for education around the vaccine was it then let's expand on what
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anna was saying i mean she's touching on a point which is coming up again and again when it comes to kovan 1000 vaccines and that's a vaccine hesitancy from your point of view how much of an impediment will this be in trying to effectively in the late a growing number of people in so many countries. while i agree completely with anna what was she as she said i think the the word and the key word here is trust i think if we want to go to a mass vaccination we have to get it and gain the trust of the population and educate them and make really an effort as a scientist to communicate clearly clearly with these people to engage the community is to have them to vaccinate and i think it's something that is a really not that easy to to do because. that and talking now and thinking about our big country will be have to use really a scientific language to do that and i think it's very tough to do with some to convince people but i think it's a very nice challenge to have simply because we are not looking at the short term
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for corporate but i think the posco of it because maybe we'll have more and more crisis like that unfortunately and i think we should be really there and the scientists should be really communicating in transparency and in gauging the community to push them to be enroll in in these kind of efforts serious when we talk about you know the anti vax or movement when we talk about vaccine hesitancy we should remind our audience that we're not just talking about opposition to covert 19 vaccines we're talking about opposition to all vaccines and in recent years in many countries there has been a resurgence of diseases like measles measles that were long thought to have been eliminated how concerned are you that this movement is going to keep growing and you know if we can pick up on the point that as dean was making what can governments and leaders and scientists do to combat this.
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ok so the the history of anti foxes if you like goes to the face of it with jenna who came up with the idea of fox nation it's not nothing new what is new is the presence of people who refused to take boxes from no preventable this exists when there are still people walking around who remember. the artificial lungs those buses machines that people have to literally sit in to to you know to protect themselves. from dying because there was no other way to keep them alive after getting one of these communicable diseases that are easy to prevent these things that have happened within the lifetimes of people that live today perhaps not the younger generations obviously but people who are on life and they can remember what it was to live without a box a nation whether vaccination or not works i think that's very clear and we will see this again not with covert 19 now what about the message well the message
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has never stopped being important before all covered 19 because we're having the problems with measles for sergeant it was never eliminate it but it was certainly contained to an extent we didn't have to worry about it but now we seeing outbreaks occurrence and we're seeing outbreaks in countries but measles vaccination should be at the right kind of level to prevent this thing from happening this is a and entirely preventable disease kovan one deems very likely to add to the family of diseases that are going to be. preventable in the future but still around because some of between the reservoir the other 2 boxes i don't know what else it allowed this to secular perhaps the next few months the slow adoption of the boxing . we will see the facts and then he does he's becoming an attorney and as a result of that eventually it's very likely that this will become part of the
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younger generation boxing for a program. implemented in most countries but the challenge is the message the rulebook on how to convey the message was written 5 years ago we had a situation in west africa where people had never seen a ball up before. they didn't know what to you know vaccine education is all about think they're the health care systems involve just literally straw huts with no windows like a little microsoft windows or something like that. they learned from their local community latest what they needed to do and they did it to change their burial habits to change their every day behavior they became vaccinated when necessary so let me talk in the rule book that we wrote apply it to a society because we've seen it in the last 12 months we've got nothing different to that when it comes to hesitancy to just believe to conspiracy theories the same things that happened was that africa happened across the world so now we need to move forward educating these people and making sure the community and society is
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protected as much as possible and if we're talking about obstacles you know in the path of people getting vaccinated on the one hand you have vaccine has a 10 c. which we were just speaking about the anti vaccine woman but then you have just the sheer logistics i mean that this is this is very difficult ensuring that you know these vaccines are actually distributed could you talk us through the logistics of it especially when it comes to you know pfizer's vaccine you know the extreme cold storage that it will take how difficult is this going to be. now so the storage is definitely a difficult aspect of it especially for the pfizer and beyond vaccine which needs to be stored at negative 80. but yeah so they i guess logistically for the shipping they're shipping it and dry ice packages which keep it at that temperature or it's in a file that contains multiple doses and so those all need to be administered within a certain amount of time but i think another you know really important challenge is
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just organizing and finding the people that are going to be vaccinated 1st so the u.k. is lucky in that it has a centralized health care system and so everybody is identifiable in that way and that's obviously will be key in distributing it but yeah it's a it's a huge logistical challenge so you know the storage conditions of the vaccine make it challenging but some of the other candidates like madeira and the oxford and astra zeneca vaccines have slightly more amenable storage conditions which will hopefully make it easier in the future but it's going to take a lot of court nation between the government as well as local g.p.'s in the 1st instance as a dean of course is not just about getting vaccinated and distributing this vaccine is it i mean there is a large percentage of the population that needs to get vaccinated before you can sort of approaching herd immunity how long does something like that take and how much of the population needs to get in the ocular needed before that immunity can
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take root. why i think i would come back yes to the question about the largest 6 i think for countries and continents like africa the role of the ws choice various social actually for accreditation and give a commendation for these countries because absolutely we have different vaccines and a lot jessica's difference from one of axiom to another and they think that is that was a crucial role for w.h.y. or for actually their immunity and how long it's going to take and to get to the herd immunity i think it's quite a functional for any strategy actually for the 1st part of it since we've been tough and left the doors of the vaccines what's going to be very interesting is to protect this or vulnerable population actually the people who are over 65 years or that the people with chronic diseases we have to protect them and the priority will be given to them actually and the way to the with so if we can manage actually to protect the 20 percent of the population it will be interesting that
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will have less and less stress and to the i.c.u. as into the hospitals and hopefully we can get less people dying so it's something very interesting so i think for the 1st part will be trying to protect this 20 percent maybe by jewelry or something like that will get more vaccine 2nd generation vaccines and they will be able to procure sex more people are open actually by that there's a 3rd semester to get actually to 30 percent 67 percent to 30 percent and this time we can talk about actually managing the corporate pandemic so it's something that's going to take a little bit of times and it's going to go by 1st step protecting the vulnerable people and after that increasing the level of vaccination to get more people back to native and to the herd immunity stereo's if we're talking about herd immunity we're talking or we're assuming rather that there might be
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a vaccine that would prevent ultimately transmission of code with one team not just the disease itself do we know at this stage if the vaccines that have been provided that have been developed actually prevent transmission. frontally no we need to see the data and see what extent the individuals that have been vaccinated are actually shutting infectious virus and this is not being disclosed to the best of my knowledge not invite the other publicists to discuss any information to them that may have the importance here of however is the be we need to convey to the public every really clear sober understanding that we cannot let our guard down go out and party not for christmas not full easter april time for june probably not even for later we will have to put up with this social distancing and protection as ana put
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it for many months to come if we are to get to the point where there is this. diverse protection and there's another aspect here it seems to have been forgotten over the last week there's this thing called lone cove it there are people out there who experience the disease in a generally mindful lot they are affected chronically and we still do not know what that means we're still lacking evidence of us through where else in the body the virus might be hiding and what it's doing at the low time why because we simply haven't how more than he get to see what's happening with people that get infected with corona virus so it's essential for the society and for the economy that we keep looking after us else our families colleagues i'm not getting exposed as much as possible over the next period of time until such time as the boxing has received it's ready to work just a month after the 1st such and i do we have any idea yet how long immunity
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from any of the vaccines may last and beyond that what about those who've had covert or those who find that they have antibodies in their system do we know if it's safe for them to get the vaccine. yeah 2 really great questions and actually we've just gotten some big updates on this in the past week so joining up published a paper on the duration of immunity from their vaccine and this is you know we're still learning more and more about this every single day really so their paper showed that after the 2nd vaccination the patients are participants in the trial still had high antibody titers after 3 months and if you look at the graph it clearly is going to continue for a while but at this point all they can say is that for at least 3 months this data is ongoing so we'll just continue to add to this knowledge and then there have actually been several arms of the clinical trials thus far looking at vaccinating people who have already had the natural infection so they may already have
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antibodies to this and what they are really wondering is does the vaccine boost immunity to the natural infection and overall overall the answer is yes so even people that have already had copd it is still important to get vaccinated and the idea here is that you know the antibodies from a natural infection have been shown to last 3 to 6 months there's a lot of variability depending on your disease severity but by getting the vaccine you would just boost that immunity even longer so that's really the intention there . in your previous answer you mentioned more vulnerable segments of populations especially the elderly when it comes to the vaccine and when they were good vaccine i want to ask you about other vulnerable and marginalized communities in other parts of the world communities like refugees migrants the displaced is there any indication of when those populations might actually have access to a cold 1000 vaccine. white some great questions for him and i think it's
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a they want to give him a human dimension to all this mass vaccination it's going to be already a pity that we will cover all the rich country and somehow poor countries and forgot this kind of people that they are living in a really a very bad situation but i hope i hope there is this program that is the program that's the really managed by the the world health organization and i think and hopefully i have to check out that but i think the reviews reassured to be included at the population that is a really vulnerable and it should be actually protected but i think it's a really something that we have to deal with it because as thinking about the core bits that are really as i said in the beginning is not just one country or one person or rich people or poor people or rich countries or poor countries who are in the same boat and i think we need to come out of this pandemic as
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a whole as one nation some how well and they think it's great that you have this question and they don't think about it but they think it's something great to think but the refugees and their thinking bought lots of refugees in in europe in in africa in asia and we think about yemen for example there's lot of place we have to think of are we run out of times we're going to have to leave the conversation there thanks so much to all of our guests anna blakeney as dina brahimi and stereos most horse and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at 0 dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story for me and i am a general in the whole team here by for now. and
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