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the world's largest coronavirus vaccination campaigns in to protect some 450000000 people health care workers and care home residents in the 27 member bloc have been among the 1st inoculated so mccain is in berlin explains why the program could take a long time the problem of course is that they're being hundreds of millions of people in the european population logically means that there will be very many people who will still be having to wait a considerable period of time to receive the vaccination that explains why you have this twin track strategy vaccination on the one hand hard lock down on the other so that the social distancing guidelines that have been in place now for such a long time during the course of this year will remain there. voting is underway in the central african republic despite the threats of violence the opposition wanted the election for spawn's and rebels of united to reject the polls they're accusing
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president will star shows to a data of rigging the election will see is also under way in the air and nation looking to deliver its 1st peaceful handover of power of president mohamed to a source who came to power after a coup was elected in 2011 he's stepping down after 2 terms parts of the u.k. are being warrants expects more flooding and strong winds have already been days of wet weather from the approaching storm bella rivers have been rising particularly high in the county of bedford share federal investigators in the u.s. is searching the homes they look for clues into the large explosion in the southern city of nashville on christmas day. and that's you up to date to keep it here on al-jazeera the u.s. continues after inside story.
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pushing for independence after bragg's its 1st minister nicola sturgeon says scotland has the right to decide its future she argues the divorce with the e.u. happened against the will of the country so can scotland become independent this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program. after 8 months of negotiations and 7 days before the braggs a deadline the european union and the u.k. finally a trade and security deal british prime minister boris johnson calls it an agreement
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that will how the u.k. take control of its destiny but in scotland pro independence leader nicola sturgeon says it's time for the country to become an independent european nation the 1st minister to it of that's what's happening is against scotland's well in the 2016 brezhnev referendum 62 percent of voters in scotland opt to remain in the you since then calls for independence have grown but boris johnson rejects the demands of parties expected to head into next year's elections seeking any a mandate for a 2nd independence vote but will an independent scotland be allowed to join the e.u. . bragg's it's changed the debate over an independent scotland it's been 6 years since scots voted 55 to 45 percent to reject sovereignty in
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a referendum this year polls indicated support for independence of beijing 58 percent that's our tribute to the success of 1st minister nicolas sturgeon in controlling the koran of virus compared to what's happened in england british prime minister bodies johnson has rejected and your referendum saying scotland voted to stay in the u.k. into 1014 several a u foreign ministers have made it clear an independent scotland would need to apply to get back in in scotland's capital city edinburgh many describe feelings of fatigue and these may overbroad that even after the deal was reached on christmas eve i think it beats a few of these because of the past couple weeks it's been just so much hype and misinformation and b.d.'s happening against her with the bit that might come from restrictions in terms of the behalf so hopefully it will get rid of all of
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that and get rid of the uncertainty but personally i would prefer scotland's party here so that's the be up to the general for the 1st part of it because i hate breaks and i think it's a completely retrograde step one of the year i can remember life before we joined europe and i remember things going better. in every way i think that the feeling of being part of a multinational international. i were looking community i think has been thompson fantastic i've always been very sizeable i buy everything right being in europe. let's introduce the panel in london more hossain a political commentator and former special adviser of the u.k. home office in brussels carol lin oh see you at the center for european policy
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studies and in london jonathan list policy analyst and deputy director of the british influence what come to your know the general sentiment in scotland which seems to be now moving to worse splitting away from the union is it a momentary rejection of bragg's it or a day nomic shifts. i think the polls would suggest there has been this sentiment growing over the last year or so i mean breaks it you know we've been talking about this for nearly 4 and a half years now in the u.k. so if the any impact breaks that we would have seen factored in already over the last year you've seen this huge pandemic or for governments that u.k. have been grappling with i think it's given nicholas stoughton much more of a platform it's gotten control his own health service should be a briefing so i think how she seemed to be responding to code it has maybe in
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some people's minds may have made it seem to come across as more of a leader and somebody who potentially could lead an independent country but i do you think they are 2 separate things the context has been quite different but the approach that argument i think has been going on for quite a long time so i'm not sure if there was no deal that would make a bigger impact a bigger difference and cause much more damage because that is it you know we'll see what the details are i'm not sure it will make as big a dent into the polls as we've seen carol i mean even with the trade deal this ist prevailing sentiment that the scots find themselves in an uncharted territory do you think this is why 0 one of the main reasons why people feel like they have been somehow hijacked by the braggs that architects. yes to some degree but the scots are only a minority or it minority u.k.
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about $5000000.00 so if there ever were to be another referendum it would be a referendum on the whole of the u.k. and they said they would have to agree the whole of the u.k. would have to agree but eventually the scottish league. i do not see it or not read but i think the table have to see 1st how this new would be worse and how the overall economy how people react to this in the coming weeks and months and then we can see the same other variable being your call if your friend runs in scotland but i am sure it will not go away because if you look at basically the deal has been about 2 big things goods and services and for goods that will not be customs basically there will be a customs control whether or not he credits or the goods will enter into your case freely and since the u.k. has a great deficit for goods i mean you will see even more throwing it you can get for her services on the other hand which is the export rather got u.k. and also the export market of scotland i mean there the that is do not apply there
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are all the rules which are identical perhaps orders from us exported from the u.k. so i think you could see a lower middle medium term or in the long run some problems for the u.k. army in contouring to export their services certainly to europe and this explains i think the anger of the scots or let me go to jennifer and jennifer at the moment but as johnson announced the trade deal the people in scotland said that the government has betrayed the the scots in the sense that their premium exports now to the you will have to suffer because there will be extra costs and they will definitely have to lose the competitive as the years to have in the past. yes but identity nuts the main reason for scottish anger over the last few years or is serious a contributing factor i think it's much more political than economic. so stop there and has been rebuffed in every stage for the last 4 and a half years so
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a majority of students as we know you very existence that you're 60 percent that year 8 which is more than vote is a bigger percentage than post any united kingdom which is any $55.45 so you might say the european union is the move poc in a union of the 2 scotland and the scottish government put forward a proposal to stay in the single market in 2016 and that was dismissed out of harm but he take government which made no effort to compromise whatsoever so the scots have felt that their views have not been taken into account they haven't and now i think is the main reason behind this. for independence which is now running 58 percent in the polls which is very very hard tax institute who are know if you look of the politics no in scotland there is this battle of narratives the independence leaders saying that the trade deal is not good for scotland the conservatives on
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the other hand saying that they'd agreement protects the projects of scotland this narrative itself between the pro independence and those who would like to remain within the union how likely is it to shape the future of scotland and who is likely to prevail. i think it will be an ongoing discussion certainly as we head to the expected lection in may and i think you have to really is ition things differently and have different points of view that you are trying to make in trying to get across you know on the one hand the union started the argument which we'll talk about the fact that actually now is not the time to be talking about independence we already had 4 and a half years of torturous precedent that patients were trying to deal with the pandemic was actually because of the united kingdom that we had this further scheme which is protected 800000 jobs in scotland with the 1st mother the 1st country in
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the world have a vaccine which people in scotland are benefiting from so there are arguments around the issue we're facing as a country now to deal with and then you will have as an besides and a nationalist society that will make the case because braxton because of the breadth that deal been struck there are not there are people who voted against threats that across the whole case isn't just in scotland so is being slightly image meaning the situation just to think that if you want independent you automatically are poor and you break that you can be an internationalist or you can once you ideally be back in the e.u. but you can also want to be part of the united kingdom it shouldn't be one union against the others i don't think this kind of simplified argument is really going to cut through with everyone because you know on one hand you're saying you want to join the e.u. but then independence would mean leaving the u.k.
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single market and having the custom border potentially the scotland england border it could mean that it couldn't be joining the euro and what would it mean for the common fisheries policy and how that go down with the fishing community because it is not a straightforward thing there are many many under many questions around kerala spoke about. the you spoke of the services there were affected by the trade deal and when you when it comes to scotland you have the fisheries and you have a greek culture the seed potatoes exports which are the somehow the pride of the scottish exports the g.d.p. of the country is likely to contract by 66 percent in the upcoming years because of the new political reality isn't this on its own a strong reason for the pro independence movement is scotland to say it's about time to rethink where we stand i would like to move forward. yes these
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projections are holding together already for the last many years what's it worth as an exodus negative so what you have to see how does not be divided on a country maybe that last one for example is the city and as the capital of many financial services will suffer a lot but maybe not all the parts will suffer as well one of the bigger part of this agreement but also people and the free movement of people from mainland europe from other european countries and we've seen a ton of these people mostly unskilled labor let's say were very meager while for example the agriculture sector will have to see much of what will be the impact of not having so easily cheap labor coming over from europe but also qualified labor which probably will comment much more easily into the u.k. to create an undercurrent agreement may also not find it that undressing any more to come to your k. and if for example european capitals managed to put up a place which will be a financial center which will be competing with a lot of u.k.
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will force yourself but one of the thing that's of which we haven't mentioned is not an argument i think a lot on the scottish reaction will depend on how the agreement will work and not tonight we don't accept that it will be no border between i don't i'm not an artless lot of the deal but all of you know it's just our last year this has been preserved in disagreement even if some conservatives are against i mean that means or to that base in order not part of the. exit you have you say it's a fact that if this works well for not not not scotland make slowly but certainly be started to say look we want the same you know if you haven't got it right and be on his goods coming and poor country without any border checks much more easily we'll talk more in detail about all of that island later in the program for the time being jonathan one 1st minister nicholas tows just says that nothing will macaffer while the briggs's takes away from scotland is it imbra on a collision course with westminster. it absolutely years and the fundamental
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problem of the government is they can't say we have the rights to our independence rights to take back control in our own future but deny that the scottish people it was made always very clear. in 2040 there not only would scotland have a biggest say over the running of the u.k. you know there was a famous vow which is made just before the referendum in 2014 on scotland and which suggested that there be some kind of constitutional v. terry and obviously that never took place so the scottish people have alexis the s.n.p. as a majority party in the last 4 elections 2015 in the a general election 2016 in harm's lection 27 c. in the elections 2019 again in the action and the s.n.p. is there a likely to win a majority again next year so how can he take government possibly to not the
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scottish people what they clearly say they want because they've elected a party which has an independence referendum as its overarching concern and on the other point it's absolutely just the s.n.p. to say the brics it is a change of circumstance yes it was agreed in 2014 the independence referendum would be for a generation but that was barring any major constitutional changes now bracks it is a major constitutional change and leaving the single market in customs even is even bigger change because that alters the entire economic and commercial infrastructure sort of no don't you think that this could be the right time to start to rethink the whole constitutional architecture in the u.k. because people in scotland now think it there is absolutely no way we're going to move forward under the same circumstances. yeah i mean i think the debate around
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the constitution has been going on for a while and i think that will just get stronger now no it's concerning a lot of people in westminster and in government and this wish seen in the health fisheries parts of the deal that has just been struck with fisheries a very small u.k. economy but politically it's really important not just because of the sovereignty argument but also because of the union and the impact on fishing communities in scotland so i think there are will certainly be more thought given to for that evolution of powers as a result of the powers going back in brussels to the united kingdom and beyond and you saw that again from the labor party just last week announcement over. whether workers including for prime minister gordon brown to look at while can be devolved so i think there is real concern by still i still don't think about it for years and he should just be seen through the prism as a vote for independence and if people do also go to domestic issues well that went
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back to issues that matter to them look at the opposition in scotland on the labor side it's very weak with david's leaving the conservatives finally got to see what happens there as well so i don't think we can just use here and sure if you mean for the s.n.p. which gets the very likely to get well magically meet when he rents a problem was this the remains of a sin because when you look at the recent pours on to see what's happening you get the impression that this is absolutely not the case they are most likely to ride the wave on a president of popularity and expand their influence and presence in the parliament for the time being carol give us an idea about the general sentiment among the e.u. leaders about what happens next i think when they had struck the deal with the u.k. they're worth thinking about teaming up with a partner for the future but what happens with that partner breaks up into
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different nations. i think overall a tender sentiment envy your special goal it's a it's a pity. that you had a member which was 47 years a member of the eurozone and it's not the 1st the best number it's a very important country it's the 3rd largest the e.u. order 2nd largest let's say depending on what count you take so it's an important member which we forget which middles let's say and which has played a very important role in framing the you would ask 47 year certainly in the single market and the competition which we haven't seen for service for some and certainly for serves as a very important member but also that all of britain and the mastery extremely important and that it's something ritualised on the other hand of course i think some will be happy let's say that we have got the union part because of the a few days ago there was a possibility then would be no it has been kept up until almost the last minute we heard i think on christmas eve that there was many people even a few days before dollars and it will be not at least we have only learned the
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destructive order cooperation there's not never one thing that you are missing and you refer to those and i mean the e.u. all is missing a very important security act with the u.k. as part of the e.u. of course you cable me involved and nato and was also involved and nato are many many member states of you are often it will rotate but to form a stronger security actor in europe we will be missing the u.k. and we will have to form some form of agreement just not if there's agreement on with the u.k. to strengthen our security for example in the middle east jonathan for the time being here we all boil down to what happens next in scotland just for the sake of further explain the politics in scotland let's map out the political the voting a lot scaped to 2 thirds of those who voted in 2016 said they would like to stay in the douglas ross will find it extremely difficult to reverse the trend of the pro independence sentiment. who do you think will
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shape what happens in the upcoming months is it the greens coming on together with the s.n.p. and saying both together we can till the grand towards our own favor and we will move forward to words a 2nd vote for independence why him yes and he has a commanding lead. in india in scotland political polls nicholas dungeon is very popular and she's seen as having managed the current virus crisis much better than boris johnson which is all of this school charisma and skill as well i don't think she needs a lot of help and i think that she's on course to win the next election and come head see you just to go back to what most saying a moment ago it's not saying that everyone necessarily suppose independence and they've made the s.n.p. we know that's we know that's the case because of the s.n.p.
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a majority in 2014 and they still lost him and his referendum but what it does say is that the s.n.p. has a mandate for its major policy which is to have that independence referendum and so as you said the full there is now going to a very very difficult period but here is the s.n.p. is going to be elected next year on this platform of holding a 2nd referendum in the lights of massive disruption to the constitutional rule against is going to. london is going to be saying it's not the time you can have the referendum figures overseas and worries that they might leave and they're worried about the general disruption that's irrelevant but the fundamental point is this is going to be a major blow because that is nothing to say that scotland concerts have a complete catalan style constitutional crisis. over it again and again for referendum in london doesn't get it and what happens that we don't aren't we have few time left here and appreciates brief answers from you if you don't mind element
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. with the end of the transitional period what will britta look like in the future . who very big question. but i think now we've seen the parameters of what the deal will look like i think a lot of people will be believed because it's not known to you which was a real concern with me and many of our country i'm sure and i think actually will be looking much more internationally so there's been a lot of focus on the whether it's the iraq and the more immigration i think actually will be looking much more globally and hopefully by cherry tree 6 sharing g 7 that's real cheap to put into practice what we mean when we talk about global written but i think hopefully more internationally its outlook is coming carol i mean no one can ignore ignore the impact of the laws of gravity the republic of ireland issue is deafening going to be poor to words the european bloc and if not
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an island decides that its benefits will be decided by the a republic of ireland they are more likely to say you know what i think it's about time to join the republic and we'll end up having a united ireland will that be the pivotal moment that will decide the future of britain if this were to happen of course it will be a disaster for britain because they are stopping the conservators have come bendable the devotee of the u.k. but it's something which according to me is very likely to happen in the coming years that won't happen overnight and of coming months it's i think very likely to happen because if this year there's no banker and there is support or with the u.k. then there will be a big difference and yet it was never in practice united jonathan in less than 15 seconds do you think that the breakup of the u.k. is inevitable it is now despite the scots people who want independence is the right to has already happened emotionally illegal roger i think you have on a very shortly gentlemen thank you very much indeed i really appreciate your
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insights my hossain carol and jonathan is thank you very much indeed looking forward to talking to you in the near future. thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook both golf or with slash a.j. inside saudi can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is a.j. and size me. the entire team here in doha by phone up. discovered kazakstan has
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