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hey there welcome to the stream home edition i am josh rushing sitting in for femi ok if you're watching this on you tube help me out you're going to join the conversation let me show you to that box right there that's a live chat i know people been waiting to get in it already because this topic today is really hot we have a stream producer in that chat waiting to get your comments your questions to me so that i can get into the guest so help me out if you're coming to questions in there and back to be already have some comments and i'm to go to one right now milan says i was in a subtle side in case study did wonders and should be something everyone for everyone to consume in the right setting an environment can't wait for the stream interesting or into to hear what people have to say so there are these studies

going on having told you what the topic is yet we're talking asylums haven't they we're talking about magic mushrooms today we're going to talk about them in a therapy setting some of the studies are finally going on they were blocked for a long time but they're finally going on in the therapeutic value of it then we're going to move beyond that there appear to value of it we're going to talk about the possibilities that magic mushrooms have and then we're going to talk about a movement that's happening across the u.s. right now where it's being decriminalized it already happened in denver oakland and this fall in washington d.c. citizens residents will have a chance to vote on whether to decriminalize it in the capital of the country super exciting to talk about it i'm joined by. the panel of guests but before that i mean going to bring in our twitter crowd here check this out guys we posted this out on twitter with some questions here some response we got earth dog 58 i'm willing to give it a go sign me up. dog. kurt to relax every i know i'm mispronouncing that the conception the consumption of such mushrooms is

dangerous even in the presence of experts to recognize a crisis in the consumption does. i mean to be able to prevent it so word of warning there we'll discuss that today and and here is someone in the know ellis got a palestinian flag there i think right got to go with perhaps on this one backed it is it's far easier to control dosage with pharmaceutical grade hallucinogenics which is pretty key my understanding is there's a higher incidence of bad trips from mushrooms versus other candidates we need to look at real user data ok great this come up in the conversation we get right to our guest hey guys thanks for joining me here on this stream today i'm going to ask you to introduce yourself is michael can we begin with you absolutely thank you so much for the invitation to be on the show my name is a smile oh do you know ali and i work as policy and advocacy counsel at the multidisciplinary association for psychedelic study is also known as maps and you're joining us from oakland where they've already decriminalized so we're going

to talk about that in here in a minute moving up to do in you know who's in san francisco at the moment how i thank you for having me make my name is danielle marie her and i work as a harm reduction at their press and harm reduction their peace and transform francisco as well as a psychedelic psychotherapist the sage institute in oakland. and then down to michelle in chiapas yes hi thanks so much for having me i'm a journalist focused on psychedelic sun education policy and i'm also the author of yourself i've been rushing companion break let me bring in a voice from our community this is a video from an oxford research your name and he jacobs quickly discussed. in the last 10 years we've had clinical trials of soliciting food question anxiety very seedy and addiction he should these clinical trials to show not only has been an incredibly safe compound to administer in clinical contexts it's also

potentially various activities in these conditions but just by the safety of suicide and despite the promise that it holds for helping hundreds of millions of people worldwide it remains incredibly difficult to do this research because an outdated needlessly restrictive regulations governing silis are then. regardless of where you stand on why the conversation allowed t. criminalization of the recreational use if you're in phase a course in mental health treatments you should be in favor of making it easier scientists to do this research. you talk to me about the use of next. year. yeah we're mad right now we're not obviously using them within the therapeutic context because of legalization but the research is very strong and powerful and i do think there's a good reason for it the complications in legalization in regards to that that this

is sick of medicine that are utilizing for very serious mental health concerns that requires landing in a in honoring the spiritual practices in honoring the the traditional indigenous methods of shamanic uming that we're incorporating into something more western in regards to their people so it is it you know when i talk anecdotally of people who have been lucky enough to have access to these methods for healing it has been you know really life changing for them of course they have connections to it be underground with folks who are working with these medicines in non research based settings and are experiencing similarly really life changing experiences where they are being lifted from years of depression from. complicated chaotic relationships with their own with other substances. difficulties with obsessive compulsive disorder and really long term intergenerational traumas it's beautiful work.

so is my suit you saying that it's difficult to use this that there are a few ticks setting i thought under certain conditions that that was legal now not that's not the case so right now it's help we're here to differentiate between still a sideband and magic mushrooms sauce i've been in the active ingredient and what we call magic mushrooms and when thinking about the f.d.a. trials or the clinical research they're usually talking about synthetics or extract that still aside and in its pure form versus magic mushrooms which is the mushrooms that grow in the field in the forests and the big difference to really think about there is that the actual trials themselves are working toward f.d.a. approval 'd which would create legal access in a medical context but what we're seeing in the transfer decriminalization or tweet maybe we'll talk about a bit more later they're usually focusing on the plant itself or the fungus in this case itself and at this time that there are a couple places in the u.s. where it is has been decriminalize more and the penalties have been reduced but

there really isn't anywhere in the us where you can legally consume it yet unless you're in the clinical trials like. some of the clinical trials might be like what's happened the germans or the way that that's right and what's the timeline on those what it will point him we see that becoming easier for someone like that you know to have access to review that there are a few tips that. realistically my understanding is that the timeline is probably about 20232024 so m.d.m.a. which is another psychedelic substance that's also going through clinical trials is expected to be approved and about 2022 in about 2 years from now and it seems to be the case that psilocybin is about a year behind that michelle what led you to covering psychedelics as a journalist. while i have been a psychedelic consumer for sense i was

a teenager and when i 1st started there wasn't a lot of i didn't have access to a lot of safe use info and i did some kind of stupid things taking things like mushrooms analyse in unsupervised settings and so i did a lot of research and i found out that there are you know there actually is decades and centuries if you consider also indigenous practices of safe and sacred uses and so i wanted to compile them all into a book that was you know really excessive bull and easy to read so people could learn about how to use these things safely because outside of clinical trials there's a lot of people using last rooms and other psychedelics for healing on their own and has a lot of progress being made and so i really wanted to give people all the safe use info they could possibly need to do this where so look i want to guide our viewers to twitter where paul statements if you don't know paul statements he lives up in the northwest he's kind of the godfather of mushrooms in some ways he's definitely

into vangelis or mushrooms not just in the psychedelic sense but how they can help ramadi the plane with the middle ways that like all sorts of stuff is fascinating guy has a couple of ted talks that have millions of views i have a couple of his books so on twitter he recently posted yesterday i turned 65 years of age a time in life are deep reflection and then i want to play this video for you. this is 2 things certain in life we are born and we die where we come from where we going with a mushroom experience and you suddenly know you're part of a child and one nurse and it gives you contacts and consolation about your own mortality so i think it's critically important that at the end of your life you have a right to these substances. who dare say that you do not in these been used for thousands probably tens of thousands maybe millions of years then laws are being

created. tries people to use them only in the past 15 years. academically naive it's immoral and so i think that everyone has a right to how they're going to leave this life and. look i'm just going to be unabashed. but i'm going to disagree with it really fundamentally here he says that there are 2 things that are true life that you're born in you die i say there's a 3rd thing that's true is that you don't know when you're going to die but don't know when does you don't know when and still for him to say that you know who dares keep this from us that are in the light because he's 65 i don't know if i'm going to make it to 65 and you know why do i need to wait until i'm 65 to access what he's talking about this kind of understanding about life. yeah i love that question are so happy belated birthday paul stamets. so many i often think of like utilizing

psychedelics particularly the plant met a sense it's a way of practicing death that's another way in which i would almost disagree with half demonstrate you you but you're born and you die and you can also have this experience similarly to meditation the psychedelic experience is one of practicing death and in that you are gaining all of the insight that comes from. that wisdom and yeah i think these medicine should be accessible and you know similar to what michelle is saying with and with access we need access to harm reduction information to information that's going to allow the container to be set so that both our environment is a container that can allow for the deepest spiritual and healing practices available when we utilize these medicines as well as a person that will allow you to ground into a mindset that offers you the most potential so i totally agree we should have access and people are going to be going anywhere anyways it's same thing as sex education right abstinence only doesn't work we're using drugs we might as well

have access to the information that's going to maximize our benefits and from about our going to play here where the comments are coming faster than i can get a minute hold on as well let me get a couple of these guys comments and then we'll go right to you hold that thought. let me see. what are the specific aspects of cyber so that make one so self reflect of them being the sort of inner peace that statement certainly love that question is will pick up where you we're going to go and then maybe you can refine the verse . yeah i was going to say that from a practical perspective to the point that danielle was making about containers it seems like for her it seems like what's happening with western psychotherapy and medicine as it relates to psychedelic experiences specifically is that we're trying to find the right containers so these substances have been used for hundreds thousands of years and it didn't they weren't just use haphazardly in the most random context per se usually they were utilized the rites of passage or

initiations or ceremonies context within which there was a container where the experience was happening so i think what's occurring is that we're merging these and shinseki these cases with his ancient amount of practices with the western psychotherapeutic container or trying to figure out well how do we contain this healing or this experience that we were in the context of medicine today and that's really the exploration that's happening now and i think as far as the effects go that question it really depends on the person some people give you a very biological answer some people give you a very spiritual or psychological answer i think that it's probably a combination of factors and to danielle's point this idea of how we approach and relate to death and i think that that's something that happens at multiple levels of consciousness at the same time so it's hard to point to a single reason why they're having the effect that we're looking at but talking about the effects michele can can you talk to some about the fact that you said you have been a user and also i'd like transition this to tart start talking about micro dosing

taking small amounts each day that are not lucid genet but do people claim have a positive effect can you touch on that michel. yes sure i think honestly that ball micro doses and larger macro doses you know in the low to moderate dose range are having a lot of the facts positive effects for a lot of people and you know to speak to smiles point about containers i think a lot of folks who use psychedelics at home you know without some kind of therapist they're creating their own containers they're giving this a lot of the thought they're maybe making their own ceremonies or rituals and routines to put their mindset into one where they want insights and perspective shift and that is something that psychedelics something give us and that's you know a way to a better though well as well and i think micro dosing can do this to an accent

people feel bit more open and connected on my crew those days and a lot of other things and it's it's just helping them be the best version of themselves they can be whether or not they have clinical depression or anxiety or not i think that a lot of folks are finding a lot of benefits regardless we have another video from someone in our community this is paul austin and he is the i think boehner is c.e.o. of 3rd wave took this out. my readers in silicon valley are becoming involved in the decriminalization and legalization of movement of source i've been in 3 ways one is by donating to non-profits and particularly the psychedelic science funders collaborative who donates money to maps after. us the 2nd way is by starting for profit ventures there's tons of companies that are popping up in the for profit space for psychedelics who are raising investment to get so as i've been approved as a medicine for depression addiction various number of other condition there are

ways of storytelling people telling their personal stories of how my producer has helped them the time is now to d.c. with ties these substances and storytelling is a critical element of that process. then you'll continue to talk about i know michael dawson kind of has this bit of a bad rep or being a silicon bro thing but it goes way beyond that right can you talk a bit about micro dose of. yeah a little bit i would like to say about micro seeing is that you know one of the things i think that's being offered here that isn't otherwise talked about is that we're what we're really doing is allowing the relationship of reciprocity to happen between eyes and plant medicines so that alone is something that i think is really valuable when somebody decides to micro does something like philis a business that this there is a so we are allowing people to be the new perspective of i am connected to something bigger than myself and over time that element is adding up into our body and we feel more connected to something bigger than us and when that bigger than as

thing comes in we are opening up to larger structural practices that aren't really a part of like west traditional western medicine and that can then stimulate new forms of just really a new set of eyes. yeah that's what i don't say about my going to thing. so the problem with micro dosing right now is this is illegal except in very few places in the us which have decriminalized i know the year in oakland they did criminalize there i believe right and in denver they're going to vote on it this year in washington d.c. . what are some of the counter arguments against decriminalization and had those come to fruition in oakland what's been the fallout of the crime was asian there. totally i'll start maybe by clarifying some terms here because what actually happened in denver and oakland in santa cruz was a deep threat to the nation which essentially that local law enforcement would not spend resources in forcing laws related to so aside bonnar other class medicines

it's specifically psilocybin in denver and other pipe medicine including still aside and in places like oakland and santa cruz and i think the move toward reducing or eliminating criminal penalties specifically to service it supposedly shifts to the actual calculus that might occur when it comes to a person's risk when they're taking a substance has been for a very long time can strike seen as a move toward. an overly free society that could lead to people kind of doing mushrooms all the time or doing them in a container and it's context that's unsafe i think that there are very real concerns about the utilization of substances like mushrooms at all times that we've been talking about today but a lot of the fears around kind of increased arrests or increased kind of law enforcement attention i think maybe has not been the case so far and i do think that as we start to see other cities start to decriminalize and reduce the criminal penalties around it we'll start to see that for especially for something for

substances like mushrooms but this is probably true to some extent for all drugs reducing criminalization actually reduces the risk on the person the reality is that prohibition and criminalization increases the risk we know now because of the research that's been done that so as i've been as a substance is extremely safe for the physical body but it becomes much more dangerous when by taking it what you're doing is risking incarceration that's really the harm that i think most afraid of and for good reason that's really i think what the i believe that it's likely that more people probably have secondary effects negative effects from criminalization itself that from the my credo sort. from the russian experience you barely hear it in our you tube audiences legalization in the illegal drug bring safer usage and dosage plus the pharmaceutical industry must regulate the gradient so it can't be cut with dangerous unknown additives what i'm wondering kind of a cool stoppable level is that one point in a social contract it did i give up my right to walk through an old growth forest

and eat whatever i want to eat like who said that they could eat a lot about that totally i mean the reality is that mushrooms and other 2nd thoughts absences were all criminalized kind of in cns series over the course of the late sixty's and commenting with the controlled substances act of $1078.00 which is the current scheme that controls drug regulation and specifically illegal conduct criminalization in the united states so it was kind of pulled into this wave of anti drug center man the sixty's and seventy's that was directed primarily at black people mexican people and hippies the anti-war movement was using psychedelics as we know and that's a huge part of what kind of was put into this category of dangerous drugs even though the research at the time was very limited and didn't actually show the dangers and now we can see years later that the research is in fact showing that the policy in the 1st place was not based on evidence of harm it was actually based

on political considerations and those are kind of the things i wind weaving now so we're seeing the research. and prove some of these considerations and stigma but it's definitely the on the research to. look like you want to jump in on that one too. yeah i wanted to say that you know these laws weren't based on science ray and i think that one of the things that these laws and the risk that taking psychedelics and it being illegal it also effects your mindset going into the experience and so a lot of people talk about oh my shows are bad because you could have a bad trip and it's really scary and all this stuff but honestly if we start if the decriminalisation and de stigmatise ation movement keeps moving forward then. you know i think people will have less of these fears in their head going into the experience and therefore they can have you know better more beneficial experiences when they're actually on mushrooms and that can help them if they integrate it

correctly and keep processing it to be more fulfilled happier more productive all these things we talk about people we have another comment from our community this is from kyle boller from my psychedelics today let's be realistic places like denver colorado have decriminalized souls i've been containing mushrooms in places like oakland and in santa cruz california have decriminalized plant medicines such as i was still tired and i think this is a. decision in the right direction for drug policy i don't think people should be getting arrested for consuming these substances they can be very harmful and there's definitely risks but i think we can do a better job at harm reduction and education you know people have been finding ceiling to building do you can use their spirituality through these substances and i support columns of liberty so you know people want to explore their minds in a safe way i'm all for that. as well just as

a warning here we're coming up toward the end of the show so we don't have long left but can you give us an outlook on what's going to happen this fall i know that people in d.c. are going to get to vote on it i believe decriminalizing this week maybe i'm wrong and then maybe deeper or ties you know that but is it is it on the ballot anywhere else is this following the pathway that cannabis politically can you touch on those things in some ways if in some ways now so with respect to the local efforts there are in the deep prioritization or decomposition means that in those cities there's no enforcement about that about these laws but the states can still in force criminal law and. the lies are and so it's i've been a nice a stairway changing at the state level i haven't yet so in d.c. in d.c. is voting on it some way to measure to what passed in oregon in santa cruz to do prioritize or decriminalize the plants themselves but there is actually a vote happening in oregon an initiative. by p.

$34.00 i believe which would be legalizing solar side and service says it's interesting because i p $34.00 does not get criminalize so aside been itself it only legalize and regulate psilocybin services for use and that's closer to what we see with cannabis today so today we have both a medical and legal schemes for adult use what's emerging at the state level for selous i've been as close are to adult use with a few additional barriers for safety considerations around that. rule quick about 30 seconds where can people go to find out more information about exactly that. you can check out decriminalize it nature and you can also check out the psychedelia erickson useless i've been services initiative in oregon. excellent i want to think of you as milk michele and danielle i want to thank everyone for being here today exciting subject i promise you guys this is going to be the fastest 25 minutes here live by they get it up that way what a great show thank you. what

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